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Are atheists fools as the Bible would have us believe? What do you believe?
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Guest: jonski (1305 days ago)

I'll believe in God when I get some solid proof but until then I'm happy to live my life the way I want.
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Guest: Hitman (1314 days ago)

I'll believe in God if a god actually does something. There's too many religions, they're all credible as one another, so what's really the point? The Bible was simply the law & order of the then uncivilized world. Scare tactics kept people in their place. For some reason, it still works today. If there is a god, he/she would prove to this world that there is a cause and way of life. Of course, no god has done this, therefore you will have atheists.
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Guest: David Robertson (1305 days ago)

Aviator, on behalf of the atheists you wrote that "Atheists are not stupid and not evil in anyway. We are intelligant people with good intentions". Perhaps. But most intelligent people can spell and use grammar! Be careful before speaking on behalf of all atheists. And be careful before stating things as facts without any evidence. Could you cite your peer reviewed scientific study which proves that everyone has a spiritual side which when stimulated 'causes god hallucinations on the high left side of the biological brain'? I thought not. No such evidence exists but that does not stop you from stating it does and from believing it. The more atheist posts I read on this thread the more I realise that atheism is in fact a faith position which has nothing to do with rational argument, scientific argument or intelligence!
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Guest: By the grace of God, not a fool (1238 days ago)

Sometimes people can get so educated and so far into complicated sciences and things of those concerns, that they forget how all of this world came about. As the human body functions, for example, the cell constructing everything, and all of the organs, blood, parts, and masses of the body, all working together perfectly to help you maintain life. I doubt seriously that this is all the result of random "chance". And even if you think that cells made us, what do you propose made the cells? Atheism isn't the result of lack of knowledge and know-how. It's the result of lack of knowing what is going on around us. Of who designed the body and everything else to work so perfect as it does. If you go to church, you could see how genuine God's grace truly is. In the Pentecost, how people can rapidly speak in different languages and not know what they say, but bilingual poeple can actualy visit from other countries and understand them. How could this be made-up? I will not insult any one who does not believe in God, it is an evil act to do so, for it creates so much more spite in people. I say to you all, peace, and to all atheists, try church. See how everyone rejoices and in certain one's speak in other languages that they don't even understand themselves, please. And please don't insult, for you will not be insulted if you don't insult. If you hate your brother, Christians, then you have not the love of God in your heart. This is in the Bible (I know you know). Amen...
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Guest: Doomsday (1221 days ago)

These comments are like the Bible, too stupid and too long.
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Guest: David Robertson (1290 days ago)

Hi Judas, agreed - anyone who blindly follows anything - including atheism - is pretty dumb. What about those who don't blindly follow but actually intelligently follow? Some of us believe in God because we have thought about it - not in spite of thinking...
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Guest: burn the bible (1313 days ago)

I believe the Bible is a book of over exaggerated propaganda.
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Guest: Ossiander (1243 days ago)

Mr. Robertson, your eloquence and sophomoric abilities are astounding. Fortunately, those abilities do not create a valid argument. You name infamous dictators of the 20th Century as examples of atheists starting wars. You also "excuse" the Church, which I can only assume means the Roman Catholic Church (of which I am a member). While pointing to supposed atheist dictators and excusing religious ones in the face of war, you create an implication that the wars and genocide are acts of evil only under atheist dictators. However, there are clear examples of Christian/religious acts of evil. The American extermination of Native Americans was done under "Christian" presidents and congressmen, claiming that God gave them the right to expand into Indian territory, to renege on treaties, to rape and murder. The Crusades to take back the Holy Land were directed and carried out by Christians claiming to have been ordained by God. The Reformation led to more than 100 years of religious genocide in Europe committed by all sides. Pope Pius XII, of World War II, refused to condemn Hitler's Final Solution to the Jewish Question. Even though the Church did squirrel away 600,000 Jews without Vatican support, think of how many would have been saved with Vatican support. The Christian nations of Europe embarked on conquests in Africa, North America and South America. In those conquests Africans were enslaved, American tribes were decimated by war, disease, and the purposeful destruction of their civilizations. The world is unable to quantify the number of those non-Christians killed in the expansion of Christianity. "[I]f you examine history you will find that it is the Christians who have brought education to the masses." Christians have brought education to the masses, but in the form of conversion. Education in the eyes of Christian missionaries is the equivalent of preaching the Word of God. During the Enlightenment, education to the masses was championed by John Locke, Rousseau, and Thomas Jefferson. Those men happened to be deists, not Christians. Additionally, Muslim extremists have also brought education to the masses; Communism has brought education to the masses. Christianity is not in great company it seems when bringing education to the masses. Mao and Stalin both educated their subjects. However, you are correct that the foolishness reference in the Old Testament probably does not carry the foolishness as understood today. Revd Carter probably explains best what the scripture line means. But to use the modern day meaning of foolishness (lacking sense, lacking forethought), an argument that asserts only that God does not exist, or that God does exist, are foolish arguments. A conclusion is not an argument. Premises are needed to support the conclusions. My argument for the existence of God depends on my personal experiences, which makes my argument more subjective than objective. In the realm of logic utilized by Plato, Aristotle, and Thomas Aquinas, a subjective argument is weaker than an objective argument. An objective argument includes objective assertions based on facts external from the mind. I can't make an objective argument for the existence of God. That does not preclude others from making an argument for God. Finally, Mr. Robertson, don't patronize the others. It is offensive and unnecessary.
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Guest: Robert Smith (1277 days ago)

Why am I writing this when I should be doing my physics homework? David Robertson - Cool. Hollybrah- keep it up! Mathias - Define 'radical' please. This argument concerns eternity. The answer is important, so the energy used examining the issue is well spent.
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Guest: HollyBrah (1299 days ago)

I have been struggling with my religion and beliefs in the last couple years. I try and look at both sides as objectively as posible. To prove there is or isn't a god is difficult to say the least. I hear that we started with the Big Bang theory and I also have read in the Bible about the creation of the universe. I believe a lot is lost in the translation of '7 days'. Many people today look at it as seven 24 hr days. Who is to say this is the allotted time. And I need more information than "it started with a great explosion". I have seen personally the devastation of clashes between religions and lack of religions. I would rather not see either again. To see men and women so strong in their beliefs as to kill themselves in order to become a martyr in the name of a religion is questionable. But what about the phrophecies that are coming or have come true. This has haunted my dreams for several nights. Again I am struggling with these thoughts, but I will say whole heartedly that I am a Christian and will always stay that way.
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Guest: wing zero (1311 days ago)

What makes the Bible more believable than let's say, Hinduism or a cult group? I don't include Islam because in my opinion it is a cheap copy of Christianity that is even more bent on control ie. woman have a lot less rights than men.
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Guest: God bless! (1313 days ago)

What proof is there of god's existance and what proof is there of his non-existance? Atheism is just as religious as Christianity, it is based upon a belief, not facts. My approach is, I don't know if there is a higher intelligence or not... what's there to do about it anyway, live your life the best you can, why follow a stupid book that keeps contradicting itself? Oh and Robertson, as far as I know Hitler was a practicing Christian, not an atheist.
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Guest: Samantha (1313 days ago)

I am not an atheist, Jewish, Muslim or Catholic. Nor am I of any other branching religion. I will try to be as objective as possible so forgive me if I am not. I think it is very fascinating that all of those people are atheists. And your method of display is very creative. But I think you should take into account that there are dumb people in this world. Dumb people who will take your word as fact and refuse to do research of their own. Dumb people get angry very fast. I am a witch. I believe there is a creator but he/she is neither male nor female but both and nothing at the same time. I think once the world stops argueing over who's right and whos wrong (in a religous sense), the world will be a better place. My mother's friend is a very Roman Catholic woman but she accepts that I am a good person who does her no harm by being what I am and in return I respect her for her choices. Because that's all belief in God really is, a choice.
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Guest: soft head, hard heart (1314 days ago)

The quote does not say that all athiests are fools, but that all fools have said no to God in their heart. Therefore, atheists who are not fools, have not said no to God in their heart. The compiler of this propaganda is a bit of a fool.
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Guest (186 days ago)

Latest comment: "If you are quoting correctly then you are making a logical mistake. Because all fools have said no to god in their heart does not mean that all those who say no to god are fools. If the original quote is more coherent it's still a load of old tosh. "
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Guest: judd (1314 days ago)

The Bible: The immutable word of God. Gen 1:3, 5 And God said "Let there be light. And God called the light 'Day' and the darkness he called 'Night'. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:16-19 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also... And the evening and the moring were the fourth day. Someone fucked up. How could night and day be created 3 days before the sun and the moon. And more to the point, how could there be a morning and evening. The Bible is full of this stuff. It's a load of honk. The atheist probably knows more about the Bible than your average religionist. For all you religionists, get yourself a book entitled the "Bible handbook" or better still, watch Monty Python's Life of Brian. It explains everything.
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Guest: Jim Anderson Sweden (1314 days ago)

Religious conformity is so easy, it's more difficult to take the opposite stance, to be without an imaginary protector. I admire those that do it, especially those in the public eye. I'd like to stand beside them.
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Guest: Mr Mardell (1238 days ago)

I once read a quote in a book long ago, yet it still remains in my head, "We feel it neccessary to believe in a man who called himself Jesus 2000 years ago. How come then that there are possibly hundreds upon thousands of mentally ill people worldwide claiming that they are Jesus?" Unfortunately I don't know who said this, yet it is a valid point. Back in history of early England, long, long ago, around pre-medieval times, priests were the only ones who knew how to read or write. This could explain that because the parishioners were illiterate, they would believe anything that they are told to believe because the "fear of god" (as told by the priests) would keep them in line. This meant that psychologically, these people were constantly afraid of another "being" that they could not see or touch. You could parallel this with the upbringing of a small child, where the child is taught what to think by their parents because the parents are their role-models. Is this not true of people nowadays? This is all objective. It is all fact. The only parts that are subjective is the possible explanations for why people think this way today. However, you cannot argue with facts. To continue from where Wing Zero was going with his "church cover up" theory, there is an element of truth to this. When Copernicus discovered that all planets revolved around the Sun and then Galileo further backed this up, the Catholic church placed Galileo under house arrest. Why? was there something there that the church had laid down as a foundation of religion, yet restricted the spreading of this discovery to an absolute minimum? Discuss. Mr Robertson, I admire your steadfastness and unwillingness to back down. However, I find your rebuttles to other people's views rather patronising and mocking. Your constant referrals to 20th century history is merely a response in the form of, to put it lightly, "yes you may say that but this man did this and that dictator did that". Who knows what they were thinking of at the time? We can only speculate.
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Guest: daphne (1296 days ago)

Oh, and how many wars were started by atheists? Isn't it true that most wars are started by people with some kind of religion, trying to kill as many people with an other religion?? What about: you shall not kill?? All religions are fucking bullshit, and cause nothing but trouble. Just believe in yourself you insecure morons.
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Guest: David Robertson (1305 days ago)

Chris Alexander,you state that atheists are not an organised group. Wrong. The National Secular Society and many other atheist groups are extremely organised and seek to control society based on their religious faith.And yes, Kittie, atheism is a religion, because it is a faith position, based upon the person's beliefs rather than any evidence. People don't want God to exist so they just deny him. That is faith. And a very poor faith.'God bless' - you state that as far as you know Hitler was a 'practicing Christian'. It would be wise not to comment based on the limits of your knowledge. Hitler was in no sense a practicing Christian, he never attended Church, hated Jesus the Jew, and did his best to rid Germany of the superstition of Christianity (He was as certain about the superstition of Christianity as some of the posters on this thread - Quien, Wing Zero et al).Oh and Moller, intelligent argument! I hope that your fellow atheists have a little bit more between their ears!
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Guest: david (1313 days ago)

I could write a long, intelligent reply, but what I, as an atheist believe is that religion is man's inability to accept that he has no purpose on earth.
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Guest: my iq is 130 (1313 days ago)

I am a Christian and I don't dislike anyone on that show. You believe what you believe. I am borderline genius and I still believe. Geez you can be non-religious but don't insult us.
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Guest: laoise (1314 days ago)

I believe that people need something to believe in in order to carry on, the people are extraordinary, and deserve to be recognised, as many who are to come.
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Guest: Al G.M. (1314 days ago)

Ok, now you should make a video with the people who believe in God... that one would be so much longer and with more people than this one... always you have to see both sides... not just one.
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Guest: me - your real god and dont you forget it! (1311 days ago)

All religions are wrong and belief in them is a sin. There is only one true god - me! All belief in other gods is blasphemy and your life and death will be cursed until you bow down before your one true god i.e. me. So get with the programme - I didn't create you to be morons.
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Guest: foolish man (1313 days ago)

David Robertson 'seriously' doubts I have a condition that prevents belief. why not believe it? Can I not have serious doubts when you can. Look up schizoid conditions. Love ya.
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Guest: butchermaggot (1313 days ago)

Science is the amassing of knowledge of what surrounds us - of the true nature of things. Nature is the only way. Stiff belief is for the weak in mind.
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Guest: nigsmig@hotmail.co.uk (1313 days ago)

Sod God, sod atheists, but what's the music??!!! It's very good.
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Guest: Adam Currie (1313 days ago)

The term athiest is a Christian or religious term. If you do not believe in god, then it is simple, you do not believe in god. To class yourself as an athiest suggests that you have had or do have pre-supposed belief and no longer do. Atheist or atheism is a Biblical term for those who do not see God. So basically, if you're an 'athiest' then aren't you believing in the very fabric of the Bible by choosing to accept God may be there but not believe in him yourself? I know this sounds very odd and some people may understand the angle from which I'm coming from, and some won't. The ones who do are probably slightly more enlightened people than religious people could ever be. We let go of Santa Claus didn't we? Were we not told he was true by our parents? Did they tell us at some point he isn't real?? NO! We came to the realisiation that it was obviously not real; people cannot fly in the sky with reindeer etc etc. So my point is, why can we not do the same with religion? In my opinion the very thought of a flying reindeer is more likely than some of the ludicrously insane events in the Bible.
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Guest: David Robertson (1313 days ago)

Wing zero - I'm afraid that my definition of truly great does not include multiillionaries who create a monopoly which keeps crashing and then charges everyone (including the poor) to fix it. Jesus or Bill Gates - umm.. tough choice!!Rev Carter - the Bible does mention atheists and does say that those who say there is no God are fools (in the moral sense) Try Psalm 14 v. 1 or Romans ch.1 v.18 onwards.Wing Zero - I appreciate your youthful zeal for your faith but I would suggest that you be careful before believing everything that you read. Learn to question. Yes - much of the Church was and continues to be corrupt - but as you should know it was not the Church that said the universe was geocentric - that was the standard scientific opinon of the time. You should be very careful about citing such facts as 'it was proven in a survey that half the priests in Ireland had abused a child'. You might be asked to prove it. In fact could you please let us know the date, authors and time of this survey - or is this just a piece of gossip you heard? Please be careful before passing on rumour as fact. You are sounding like a fundamentalist...TB - another bizarre fact. 95%of all attempted genocides in world history have been carried out by Christians. Extraordinary that you can believe this. Would you like to verify it? Try reading 'War of the World' by Neil Ferguson to see the truth. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler were not Christians. Genghis Khan, Nero etc were not Christians. It is a sign of the intellecutual bankruptcy of our generation that someone can actually post such nonsense as 'fact' and expect to be taken seriously!And finally B Slater. Your equation of the Pope and the Catholic Church with God and the Bible is a bit of a quantum leap. Education is not the downfall of biblical Christianity - if you examine history you will find that it is the Christians who have brought education to the masses. And it is a bit of a logical contradiction to say that when someone quotes the Bible which was written by other people, they are only quoting thier own beliefs. There is no logical reason why God could not have inspired the Bible (which is not the same as saying that he did). Darwin was not attacked by the Church of his day. Finally - It is the dumbing down of society and the lack of education which has harmed religion. It allows people to post the kind of nonsensical and prejudiced posts that we have seen on this thread - and think that they are being clever!
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Guest: B Slater (1314 days ago)

Everyone has their own god, whether they follow an organised religion or are non believers. To me, replace god with a mixture of morals, beliefs and conscience. If there was one god that created us and guided us through life, then why does a new Pope run his church differently to the last? Why do you get priests who abuse children for their own sexual pleasure and then the church defend them? The Bible was written by men, not an unseen god. When someone quotes the Bible, remember that it is just the person's beliefs who wrote the Bible, not God's. When they say "God says" , they mean "I say". Religion is just a means to control the masses. They do this by telling people that if you do not believe what I believe, then you are not part of our society. Darwin did not question the Bible in his theories of evolution, he just observed and made educationed theories as to how animals and plants evolved. When it made more sense and questioned the stories in the Bible, the church attacked him and tried to alienate him from society. Christening babies and sunday schools are there to brain wash the innocent. Why not wait until they are adults so that they can make their own minds up? Education has been the downfall of religion because once you teach children to think for themselves and to question theories and authority, they also question religion. The fool is the one who does not think for himself but allows others to do it for him.
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