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Are atheists fools as the Bible would have us believe? What do you believe?
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Guest: Doomsday (1109 days ago)

These comments are like the Bible, too stupid and too long.
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Guest: David Robertson (1178 days ago)

Hi Judas, agreed - anyone who blindly follows anything - including atheism - is pretty dumb. What about those who don't blindly follow but actually intelligently follow? Some of us believe in God because we have thought about it - not in spite of thinking...
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Guest: David Robertson (1193 days ago)

Aviator, on behalf of the atheists you wrote that "Atheists are not stupid and not evil in anyway. We are intelligant people with good intentions". Perhaps. But most intelligent people can spell and use grammar! Be careful before speaking on behalf of all atheists. And be careful before stating things as facts without any evidence. Could you cite your peer reviewed scientific study which proves that everyone has a spiritual side which when stimulated 'causes god hallucinations on the high left side of the biological brain'? I thought not. No such evidence exists but that does not stop you from stating it does and from believing it. The more atheist posts I read on this thread the more I realise that atheism is in fact a faith position which has nothing to do with rational argument, scientific argument or intelligence!
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Guest: Mr Mardell (1126 days ago)

I once read a quote in a book long ago, yet it still remains in my head, "We feel it neccessary to believe in a man who called himself Jesus 2000 years ago. How come then that there are possibly hundreds upon thousands of mentally ill people worldwide claiming that they are Jesus?" Unfortunately I don't know who said this, yet it is a valid point. Back in history of early England, long, long ago, around pre-medieval times, priests were the only ones who knew how to read or write. This could explain that because the parishioners were illiterate, they would believe anything that they are told to believe because the "fear of god" (as told by the priests) would keep them in line. This meant that psychologically, these people were constantly afraid of another "being" that they could not see or touch. You could parallel this with the upbringing of a small child, where the child is taught what to think by their parents because the parents are their role-models. Is this not true of people nowadays? This is all objective. It is all fact. The only parts that are subjective is the possible explanations for why people think this way today. However, you cannot argue with facts. To continue from where Wing Zero was going with his "church cover up" theory, there is an element of truth to this. When Copernicus discovered that all planets revolved around the Sun and then Galileo further backed this up, the Catholic church placed Galileo under house arrest. Why? was there something there that the church had laid down as a foundation of religion, yet restricted the spreading of this discovery to an absolute minimum? Discuss. Mr Robertson, I admire your steadfastness and unwillingness to back down. However, I find your rebuttles to other people's views rather patronising and mocking. Your constant referrals to 20th century history is merely a response in the form of, to put it lightly, "yes you may say that but this man did this and that dictator did that". Who knows what they were thinking of at the time? We can only speculate.
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Guest: jonski (1193 days ago)

I'll believe in God when I get some solid proof but until then I'm happy to live my life the way I want.
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Guest: burn the bible (1201 days ago)

I believe the Bible is a book of over exaggerated propaganda.
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Guest: By the grace of God, not a fool (1126 days ago)

Sometimes people can get so educated and so far into complicated sciences and things of those concerns, that they forget how all of this world came about. As the human body functions, for example, the cell constructing everything, and all of the organs, blood, parts, and masses of the body, all working together perfectly to help you maintain life. I doubt seriously that this is all the result of random "chance". And even if you think that cells made us, what do you propose made the cells? Atheism isn't the result of lack of knowledge and know-how. It's the result of lack of knowing what is going on around us. Of who designed the body and everything else to work so perfect as it does. If you go to church, you could see how genuine God's grace truly is. In the Pentecost, how people can rapidly speak in different languages and not know what they say, but bilingual poeple can actualy visit from other countries and understand them. How could this be made-up? I will not insult any one who does not believe in God, it is an evil act to do so, for it creates so much more spite in people. I say to you all, peace, and to all atheists, try church. See how everyone rejoices and in certain one's speak in other languages that they don't even understand themselves, please. And please don't insult, for you will not be insulted if you don't insult. If you hate your brother, Christians, then you have not the love of God in your heart. This is in the Bible (I know you know). Amen...
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Guest: daphne (1184 days ago)

Oh, and how many wars were started by atheists? Isn't it true that most wars are started by people with some kind of religion, trying to kill as many people with an other religion?? What about: you shall not kill?? All religions are fucking bullshit, and cause nothing but trouble. Just believe in yourself you insecure morons.
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Guest: Samantha (1201 days ago)

I am not an atheist, Jewish, Muslim or Catholic. Nor am I of any other branching religion. I will try to be as objective as possible so forgive me if I am not. I think it is very fascinating that all of those people are atheists. And your method of display is very creative. But I think you should take into account that there are dumb people in this world. Dumb people who will take your word as fact and refuse to do research of their own. Dumb people get angry very fast. I am a witch. I believe there is a creator but he/she is neither male nor female but both and nothing at the same time. I think once the world stops argueing over who's right and whos wrong (in a religous sense), the world will be a better place. My mother's friend is a very Roman Catholic woman but she accepts that I am a good person who does her no harm by being what I am and in return I respect her for her choices. Because that's all belief in God really is, a choice.
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Guest: soft head, hard heart (1202 days ago)

The quote does not say that all athiests are fools, but that all fools have said no to God in their heart. Therefore, atheists who are not fools, have not said no to God in their heart. The compiler of this propaganda is a bit of a fool.
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Guest (74 days ago)

Latest comment: "If you are quoting correctly then you are making a logical mistake. Because all fools have said no to god in their heart does not mean that all those who say no to god are fools. If the original quote is more coherent it's still a load of old tosh. "
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Guest: Al G.M. (1202 days ago)

Ok, now you should make a video with the people who believe in God... that one would be so much longer and with more people than this one... always you have to see both sides... not just one.
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Guest: Robert Smith (1165 days ago)

Why am I writing this when I should be doing my physics homework? David Robertson - Cool. Hollybrah- keep it up! Mathias - Define 'radical' please. This argument concerns eternity. The answer is important, so the energy used examining the issue is well spent.
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Guest: wing zero (1199 days ago)

What makes the Bible more believable than let's say, Hinduism or a cult group? I don't include Islam because in my opinion it is a cheap copy of Christianity that is even more bent on control ie. woman have a lot less rights than men.
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Guest: God bless! (1201 days ago)

What proof is there of god's existance and what proof is there of his non-existance? Atheism is just as religious as Christianity, it is based upon a belief, not facts. My approach is, I don't know if there is a higher intelligence or not... what's there to do about it anyway, live your life the best you can, why follow a stupid book that keeps contradicting itself? Oh and Robertson, as far as I know Hitler was a practicing Christian, not an atheist.
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Guest: foolish man (1202 days ago)

Loved the music! Plus guess I'm a fool as I have a condition that makes believing impossible: so I can't believe in a god or anything else for that matter. Oh well.
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Guest: Jim Anderson Sweden (1202 days ago)

Religious conformity is so easy, it's more difficult to take the opposite stance, to be without an imaginary protector. I admire those that do it, especially those in the public eye. I'd like to stand beside them.
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Guest: Ruth Edwards (1202 days ago)

After studying theology at Oxford I've come the the simple conclusion that when it comes to religion the human race has missed the point!
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Guest: AnJo (403 days ago)

i don´t get it. Why do you even discuss it? Every side will stick to their point anyway. There are a lot of intelligent religious people who assume their was a creator who gave up control over the world when he gave people their free will. There are crazy atheists telling us the ancient gods were aliens like in stargate. :P I think everybody has to make up his own mind.And i KNOW that you can´t convince some1 that everything he has believed in for 20-30 years is wrong. :)
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Guest: Ossiander (1131 days ago)

Mr. Robertson, your eloquence and sophomoric abilities are astounding. Fortunately, those abilities do not create a valid argument. You name infamous dictators of the 20th Century as examples of atheists starting wars. You also "excuse" the Church, which I can only assume means the Roman Catholic Church (of which I am a member). While pointing to supposed atheist dictators and excusing religious ones in the face of war, you create an implication that the wars and genocide are acts of evil only under atheist dictators. However, there are clear examples of Christian/religious acts of evil. The American extermination of Native Americans was done under "Christian" presidents and congressmen, claiming that God gave them the right to expand into Indian territory, to renege on treaties, to rape and murder. The Crusades to take back the Holy Land were directed and carried out by Christians claiming to have been ordained by God. The Reformation led to more than 100 years of religious genocide in Europe committed by all sides. Pope Pius XII, of World War II, refused to condemn Hitler's Final Solution to the Jewish Question. Even though the Church did squirrel away 600,000 Jews without Vatican support, think of how many would have been saved with Vatican support. The Christian nations of Europe embarked on conquests in Africa, North America and South America. In those conquests Africans were enslaved, American tribes were decimated by war, disease, and the purposeful destruction of their civilizations. The world is unable to quantify the number of those non-Christians killed in the expansion of Christianity. "[I]f you examine history you will find that it is the Christians who have brought education to the masses." Christians have brought education to the masses, but in the form of conversion. Education in the eyes of Christian missionaries is the equivalent of preaching the Word of God. During the Enlightenment, education to the masses was championed by John Locke, Rousseau, and Thomas Jefferson. Those men happened to be deists, not Christians. Additionally, Muslim extremists have also brought education to the masses; Communism has brought education to the masses. Christianity is not in great company it seems when bringing education to the masses. Mao and Stalin both educated their subjects. However, you are correct that the foolishness reference in the Old Testament probably does not carry the foolishness as understood today. Revd Carter probably explains best what the scripture line means. But to use the modern day meaning of foolishness (lacking sense, lacking forethought), an argument that asserts only that God does not exist, or that God does exist, are foolish arguments. A conclusion is not an argument. Premises are needed to support the conclusions. My argument for the existence of God depends on my personal experiences, which makes my argument more subjective than objective. In the realm of logic utilized by Plato, Aristotle, and Thomas Aquinas, a subjective argument is weaker than an objective argument. An objective argument includes objective assertions based on facts external from the mind. I can't make an objective argument for the existence of God. That does not preclude others from making an argument for God. Finally, Mr. Robertson, don't patronize the others. It is offensive and unnecessary.
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Guest: HollyBrah (1187 days ago)

I have been struggling with my religion and beliefs in the last couple years. I try and look at both sides as objectively as posible. To prove there is or isn't a god is difficult to say the least. I hear that we started with the Big Bang theory and I also have read in the Bible about the creation of the universe. I believe a lot is lost in the translation of '7 days'. Many people today look at it as seven 24 hr days. Who is to say this is the allotted time. And I need more information than "it started with a great explosion". I have seen personally the devastation of clashes between religions and lack of religions. I would rather not see either again. To see men and women so strong in their beliefs as to kill themselves in order to become a martyr in the name of a religion is questionable. But what about the phrophecies that are coming or have come true. This has haunted my dreams for several nights. Again I am struggling with these thoughts, but I will say whole heartedly that I am a Christian and will always stay that way.
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Guest: me - your real god and dont you forget it! (1199 days ago)

All religions are wrong and belief in them is a sin. There is only one true god - me! All belief in other gods is blasphemy and your life and death will be cursed until you bow down before your one true god i.e. me. So get with the programme - I didn't create you to be morons.
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Guest: Kyle (1199 days ago)

Obviously the person who made this video felt that David (the writer of many psalms) and his opinion reflect the entire mood and opinion of the Bible which it doesn't. The Bible has many writers, and therefore many opinons. Condemn David, not the Bible.
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Guest: Felix A. Keller (1201 days ago)

There is nothing an agnostic can’t do if he really doesn’t know whether he believes in anything or not…
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Guest: david (1201 days ago)

I could write a long, intelligent reply, but what I, as an atheist believe is that religion is man's inability to accept that he has no purpose on earth.
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Guest: my iq is 130 (1201 days ago)

I am a Christian and I don't dislike anyone on that show. You believe what you believe. I am borderline genius and I still believe. Geez you can be non-religious but don't insult us.
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Guest: wing zero (1202 days ago)

David Robertson, the Church had a lot of power and influence before the great scientific renaissance began. If u really understand anything u will know that back in those times the Church was corrupt. And it is still today. Do I have to point out the hundreds of child abuse cases the Church wants to hide. It was proven in a survey that half of the priests in Ireland had abused a child. Shocking, and religion caused it. Then there was the case in NI when a free Presbyterian got raped by a fellow church member and what did the Church do, they tried to discredit her by saying she had commited adultery even though she hadn't. If that is not covering up and trying to avoid the blame I really don't know what is. I was once a Chrisitian and I know how they brainwash people. I was one of the "lucky" ones. Religion can be compared to a dangerous chemical i.e. repeated or prolonged exposure can cause damage to the human body. I'm 14 and I would like to know ur denomination and age so I can see how corrupt u r. I have nothing to hide, d u?
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Guest: David Robertson (1202 days ago)

Interesting comments. Since most refer to my initial comment perhaps you would allow me to reply.Judd - If your justification for atheism is that one cannot use the language of evening and morning without the sun and the moon, and that Monty Python's Life of Brian explains everything, then I would suggest that you broaden both your reading and your mind! 'foolish man' - I seriously doubt that you have a condition that means you cannot believe in anything. Do you not believe in love, yourself, or that the earth is round? Jim Anderson - actually is it non-religious conformity that is easy. Amongst the self-styled intelligentsia and cultural elite in our society is it assumed that only the weak, the non-scientific and the irrational believe in God. Most atheists assume that this is so self-evident that they are not even prepared to debate it or to consider the possibility that they may be wrong.Wing zero - It's not a good way to begin a 'rational' argument by suggesting that those who don't have the sense to agree with you are 'de facto' blind. Your other points don't stand up to empirical observation either. Please do enlighten us as to what the Church has buried (surely you are not one of the Da Vinci conspiracy theorist nuts?!). As for the Earth being the centre of the Universe, you do know that that was the scientific consensus at the time - not the teaching of the Bible. Re religions wars - they are awful but nothing compared to the secularist/atheistic wars of Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot.George I - always beware of the 'everyone knows' approach. Of course 'everyone' does not know that the Bible has to be taken with a 'pinch of salt'. I have been studying the Bible for many years (and different religions) and I find it makes a whole lot more sense than 'what everyone knows'. And there are many millions of others like me. Of course if you start with the presupposition that anyone who believes the Bible is foolish then it kind of becomes a circular argument.Hitman- you say that you will only believe in God if he does something or gives us a cause and a way of life. With all due respect he has. Perhaps you should find out what. And please do not make the ludicrous statement that all religions are the same - that is self evidently not true. A relgion which teaches that you should love your enemies is not the same as one which says that you should kill them!Keep thinking...
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Guest: judd (1202 days ago)

The Bible: The immutable word of God. Gen 1:3, 5 And God said "Let there be light. And God called the light 'Day' and the darkness he called 'Night'. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:16-19 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also... And the evening and the moring were the fourth day. Someone fucked up. How could night and day be created 3 days before the sun and the moon. And more to the point, how could there be a morning and evening. The Bible is full of this stuff. It's a load of honk. The atheist probably knows more about the Bible than your average religionist. For all you religionists, get yourself a book entitled the "Bible handbook" or better still, watch Monty Python's Life of Brian. It explains everything.
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Guest: Hitman (1202 days ago)

I'll believe in God if a god actually does something. There's too many religions, they're all credible as one another, so what's really the point? The Bible was simply the law & order of the then uncivilized world. Scare tactics kept people in their place. For some reason, it still works today. If there is a god, he/she would prove to this world that there is a cause and way of life. Of course, no god has done this, therefore you will have atheists.
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Guest: Phil Blackhurst (1203 days ago)

If you can’t believe most of what is written in the press today, how can you believe what was written for the Bible up to 2000 years ago.
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