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Angry atheist concludes STFU!Angry atheist concludes STFU!

Romania's most famous atheist (possibly most famous person) Cristina Rad shares a personal experience at the hospital. If only people would think more about the implications of their thoughts.

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Guest: a Christian (842 days ago)
Its all just a matter of opinion which everyone is entitled to. But in my opinion all the atheists that come on here seem to have a problem with Christianity more so than religion in general. But as i said thats just MY OPINION and the beauty of the internet is i can express it.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (842 days ago)
Atheists don't have any particular problem with Christianity, they have a problem with faith - that is believing without any credible evidence. We have a justice system that requires evidence to convict. Remember the phrase 'beyond reasonable doubt'. You try proving to a court that God exists. The case would be thrown out within seconds - due to lack of evidence.
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Guest: a Christian (842 days ago)
is that the same court of law that asks you to swear an oath?
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Guest: gray keyes (842 days ago)
@MissAnus Have you ever heard of a misscarriage of justice or has no one ever been wrongly convicted of a crime in the atheists world
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glortman glortman (842 days ago)
MissAlanius, your answers usually show more erudition. Everyone has faith and belief, even (or perhaps especially) scientists and atheists. What one believes is in part things that can be known or experienced - like facts, emotions or ideas - and in part the expectations about the endpoint or consequence of those facts etc. You can have faith in a deity, a theory, or that a chair will hold you when you sit on it. The faith for each is based in part on things we can see and know for certain, and in part on things we cannot. What is 'credible' is defined by each believer. Some scientists find the phyletic gradualism theory of evolution is not credible, and believe the evidence supports punctuated equilibrium.
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Guest: loki (841 days ago)
what about schizoids? they dont do belief and faith so your 'everyone statement' just might be untrue (and then everything built on from that doesnt look so good)
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Guest: london1 (841 days ago)
@ loki Stupid argument. Are you American by any chance?
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Guest: loki (841 days ago)
hi soz cant quite use the dumb american excuse but please substantiate your statement
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (841 days ago)
I wasn't seriously suggesting a trial, but thinking about... It was just to illustrate a point, which I'll expand on. As an enthusiastic atheist, my problem with religion is faith - simply defined as believing without the need for credible evidence. This is not a semantic discussion about the word faith, but the implications of using faith as a way to build an understanding and knowledge of the world we live in. Faith in religion, not only doesn't require evidence, it actually contradicts evidence - such as the overwhelming evidence that backs up evolution. So I have to conclude that relying on faith as the basis for understanding everything is deeply unsatisfying and very unlikely to be anywhere near the truth.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (841 days ago)
(continued) I prefer to trust in the process of science. This is because the motivation of a scientist is to understand, without judgement, whatever the truth turns out to be, rather than in religion, which claims knowledge of the truth (usually from a dusty old book) and judges you if you think it's all a bit silly. I also trust science because it works. I have enough faith in science to get on a plane and cross oceans. I wouldn't have so much faith in God saving me if the pilot suddenly had a heart attack. But maybe that's because he doesn't like atheists.
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glortman glortman (841 days ago)
I am not sure science is equipped to answer every question. If you came to my house, and asked why the kettle is boiling, I could tell you about laws of thermodynamics and changes in phase states and such, or I could say it is because we are going to have tea. Science is equipped to provide one of the answers, but it does not mean the other answer is not correct, even though we can't test it. The first answer is about the mechanism, and the other is about... it is about a lot of things.
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glortman glortman (841 days ago)
(continued) I think it would be hard to critique Gandhi, a Hindu, for understanding the world through a non-scientific lens. His ideas of non-violence and peace are not based on data, but rather faith, which for him was a central tenet. Where I agree with you is that faith should never be used as a stick for judging or punishing others, and that rejecting sound scientific knowledge because of religious dogma is unacceptable. This video by John Cleese sums things up nicely, I think. link
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Guest: Darwins Radio (840 days ago)
Perhaps. It could also be argued that he was aware of a similar non-violent protest that was taking place in Egypt from the year before against the same oppressors and emulated it based on that information. No one would argue that, sometimes mutually exclusive, faiths are not capable modulating behaviour in powerful ways. It's just that you can't equate the level of faith to veracity. For that you need evidence.
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glortman glortman (842 days ago)
(continued) Your suggestion of trying an idea in court is silly. Many scientific theorems like dark matter would fail the 'reasonable doubt' test, since its existence can only be proven by complicated, obscure equations: there is no tangible evidence at all that it is there, and yet we believe it to be so. Humans believe things, and faith and doubt are the mechanisms of belief.
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Guest: Darwins Radio (841 days ago)
The idea of trying an idea in court is not that silly. The analogy, if not pushed too far, is reasonable and mirrors the best working practise of the scientific method of peer review and evidence to support theory. As for "reasonable doubt" well, the search continues; that's the beauty of it. It boils down to two world views - evidence based or "I kinda feel it should be this way".
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Guest:  (843 days ago)
where is sam the maniac when we don't need him? (probably jacking off to this chicky)
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
hahahaa! more than likely!
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Guest: loki (845 days ago)
do you have a fan club?
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Guest:  (844 days ago)
yup, look her up on facebook
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Guest:  (844 days ago)
look for "cristina rad"
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Guest: gray keyes (843 days ago)
wonderfully put porno
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Guest:  (844 days ago)
Equal # of help and unhelped people.....hmmm...what could that possibly mean?
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
Shes making the point that some people get help from God but other people dont.
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Guest:  (820 days ago)
Latest comment: she's making the point that no-one gets help from god. She's making the point by explaining that a just god cannot help people just because they happen to pray harder.
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MrSimon MrSimon (844 days ago)
Cristina, I admire your passion. However, you make quite a few statements there that come out of lack of knowledge and misunderstanding. Thats not your fault, of course, its the fault of the Church, which is, sadly, run by man more than God these days. Its going to take a lot more time and space than this comment box to answer each of those points. But what someone should be doing is answering them for you. Which is the same for anyone who holds the same views as Cristina.
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Guest: Get A Life (844 days ago)
MrSimon, you've been brainwashed by the church. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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MrSimon MrSimon (844 days ago)
Certainly havent been brainwashed by any Church. Never went to church before I became a Christian. But I take your point, the church is general is responsible for a lot of brainwashing, which is what I was alluding to in my original statement about the chuirch being run by man more than God.
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Guest:  (844 days ago)
Not brainwashed by a church, but you became a christian? Where did you get the idea from then? And of course churches are run by man, God is a fictional character from middle eastern bronzw age mythology.
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
I didnt get the "ideas" from anywhere. Someone gave me the very simple offer of a way out of the crappy life I was leading. That offer was to pray for Jesus Christ to come into my life. I prayed and immediately had an internal spiritual experience that came from an external source, which I now know was the Holy Spirit. From that day my life, and my eternal life, has changed forever. When I said churches are run by man, I didnt mean the administration. I meant the direction, the way people in the church are counselled and led, and the focus. If you think God is a myth, then fine. Thats your issue. But some things are true, whether you believe them or not.
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Guest:  (843 days ago)
So you got the idea from someone peddling the idea of a quick fix then. And some things are not true whether you believe them or not.
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MrSimon MrSimon (842 days ago)
I didnt get any "idea", I got eternal salvation. And yeah, some things are not true whether you believe them or not. Just as some things are true whether you believe them or not.
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Guest: loki (844 days ago)
my point is you believe there is a god who in prior times did more of the church running. i dont blame you for this coz everyone has an attachment style. i'd just say, politely, grow up and learn to adapt for your wired in belief that there's a parental being who can help. it's just a happy memoy
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
Thats not exactly what I meant or believe in. I meant that ideally the church should be run by people who are more focussed on God than they are on politics, money, or religion, or all three. The church is so far removed from what God intended originally, which is sad.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (842 days ago)
If God is so mighty, then why doesn't he kill all the baddies in church, just like he killed all the baddies in Haiti by shaking them to death - except the few he decided to spare of course, those miracles who came crawling out the rubble.
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MrSimon MrSimon (841 days ago)
Grasping at straws there, MissAlanius! If God got involved in killing all the "baddies", then that would mean we wouldnt have free will, which would mean we're basically like robots. If youre tlaking about justice, then God really doesnt give priority to we do here on Earth, because Hes interested in eternal life. He'll judge the "baddies" when they die. Until then, we're on our own.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (841 days ago)
If God gave us free will, then presumably he has no control over us. In fact, it appears he has no control over anything, otherwise he would have prevented the Haiti earthquake. You're right, I am grasping at straws, but in trying to understand why anyone would follow an impotent God. Why should God, so useless in this world, be any better in the next? Actually, I think the answer is quite simple. Believe God is a fairy tale and everything makes sense.
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Guest: True (840 days ago)
You can't reason with blind faith, hence the word 'blind'. I agree with you MA; you clearly have a beautiful intellect, but could your time not be spent more usefully away from these online arguments?
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Guest: EnthusiasticAtheistToo (840 days ago)
Checkmate MrSimon. MissAlanius just nailed you. Amen.
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Guest: london1 (840 days ago)
MissAnus may have won that 1 but Glortman wiped the floor with her earlier
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Guest:  (843 days ago)
are the atheists saying that people are not entitled to their beliefs and just because they dont have faith or believe in having a soul nobody else should be allowed to. By the way way i think she was putting across a good argument until she got ignorant at the end.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (844 days ago)
Hi MrSimon, perhaps you could present one of these points so we can all join in and discuss it?
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MrSimon MrSimon (844 days ago)
Hi MissAlanius. I have tried a couple of times today to post on here my response to one of the points, but it hasnt appeared. I think probably because its too long. But thats why I said in my original statement that theres not enough room on here.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (843 days ago)
Split it into more than one comment. That should work.
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
Good idea, given it a go, but still no joy. I'll work on it.
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Guest: loki (844 days ago)
there is no god dude. its just an archaic babyhood memory in people with organised attachment styles. there never was a god to run 'his church' just folk who had an impression of reality that included an infrastructure, not naturally occuring, due to parental nurture
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MrSimon MrSimon (844 days ago)
The issue of whether there is a God or not isnt being discussed, And theres not enough room on this page to start that debate.
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Guest: Sandy the sodomite (843 days ago)
Se mentioned being constipated..I know a great way to cure her and it does not involve religion..And it would result in straightening out that crinkly hair for her.. A much better use for a blonde and a bed that harking on about god.
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Guest: Michael Burgman (832 days ago)
The comments Cristina makes raise up the age old question of suffering and why it happens. She might be interested to know that this is raised many times in the Bible itself. She is trying to use reason with matters of faith ignoring the fact that even to be an atheist you have to have faith that there is no God.
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Guest: Darwins Radio (828 days ago)
No. This is a common theistic ploy. Atheism is the rejection in the groundless belief in deities not an assertion of the opposite. If you are going to postulate that a magic being created, and tends, this universe then the burden of proof is also yours. Where faith is required is at the level of not believing in Santa Claus or Thor.
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Guest: Geologist (844 days ago)
Mr Simon, I'd really love to hear where there is a lack of knowledge in any of the statements made. Every statement was made in a completely frank and realist sense. It would be really appreciated if you could back up your statement with some argument.
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MrSimon MrSimon (844 days ago)
Would love to, but theres not enough space. Ive tried a couple of times, but what I type doesnt get posted because its too long, and I cant shorten it any more without sacrificing valid points. Blame boreme for lack of capacity.
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Guest: porno (843 days ago)
there's a bird in a small dress and there's a bed. why the hell is she wasting time talking...slow strip and tease please ( like the rest of the young female population of romania do). Thankfully the cheeky girls are over here so excempt as no ones wants to see those monsters. If you can't do the cam show, how about you get that iron in the background out and do something useful.
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Guest: johno (844 days ago)
I just turned the sound off..... sorted
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Allfazeman Allfazeman (844 days ago)
Wow. I have been hearing a lot of people say this recently. Is she wrong?
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Guest: adko (844 days ago)
no, she's right.
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MrSimon MrSimon (843 days ago)
no, she's wrong.
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Knobette Knobette (843 days ago)
no, she's right.
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MrSimon MrSimon (842 days ago)
Well actually, shes right that people do get help from God and other people dont, but shes wrong apart from that.
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Guest: loki (841 days ago)
there is no god but some people do get comfort from masturbating their attachment styles: denial, anger, bargaining at the core of their being. 'denials' have the most fun but least reality and are trashing the planet but hey ho
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Guest: at at at (843 days ago)
Got my vote!
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