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Christopher Hitchens (author of 'God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything') and Frank Turek (author of 'I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist') debated god's existence at Virginia Commonwealth University in 2008. This gem of a snippet happens when Turek introduces Hitler into the argument.

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Guest:  (1129 days ago)
Wow he's getting so worked up must have been loosing the debate
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Wow he's getting so worked up must have been loosing the debate
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Guest:  (1129 days ago)
And forgetting how to spell!
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And forgetting how to spell!
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Guest: this is SPARTA (1124 days ago)
I fail to see the relevance of religion to the existence of God. Religion is man made, man's attempt to interpret God. That religion has got it so wrong does not answer whether God exists or not. The atheist and the sanctimonious are just as foolish as each other, both small minded. The truth is we just do not know. Science is in it's infancy and we have far more to find out than we already know. To make certain proclamations seems arrogant to say the least.
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I fail to see the relevance of religion to the existence of God. Religion is man made, man's attempt to interpret God. That religion has got it so wrong does not answer whether God exists or not. The atheist and the sanctimonious are just as foolish as each other, both small minded. The truth is we just do not know. Science is in it's infancy and we have far more to find out than we already know. To make certain proclamations seems arrogant to say the least.
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Guest: london1 sheep shagger (1129 days ago)
So according to Hitchens if there was no religion in the world there would be no evil. Well if i thought giving up my beliefs would put an end to murder, rape, child abuse and crime in general i would give them up but i dont think it would so i wont. By the way does the editor of this site get a hard-on for dawkins and hitchens. i'm beginning to think he has a good wank everytime he see's them in a clip
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So according to Hitchens if there was no religion in the world there would be no evil. Well if i thought giving up my beliefs would put an end to murder, rape, child abuse and crime in general i would give them up but i dont think it would so i wont. By the way does the editor of this site get a hard-on for dawkins and hitchens. i'm beginning to think he has a good wank everytime he see's them in a clip
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Guest: GDE (1128 days ago)
Is it a joke, or are you just really this dumb ? All crocodiles are green, so if an animal is green it's a crocodile ? C'mon !
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Is it a joke, or are you just really this dumb ? All crocodiles are green, so if an animal is green it's a crocodile ? C'mon !
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Guest: a christian (1128 days ago)
Did he not say in the clip that evil comes from religion?
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Did he not say in the clip that evil comes from religion?
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Caladon Caladon (1128 days ago)
As Hitchens and Fry both said in a debate in London last year, of a group of people it is catholic priests who abuse more children than anyone else. That is reasonably evil to me. The will of their god? Or are they just Evil people?
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As Hitchens and Fry both said in a debate in London last year, of a group of people it is catholic priests who abuse more children than anyone else. That is reasonably evil to me. The will of their god? Or are they just Evil people?
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Guest:  (1128 days ago)
Yes, they said it. But is it true? I read sociological studies claiming otherwise (no general difference to the rest of population). And btw, even if it was, it would not support a universal claim that evil comes from religion (which is utter nonsense - have a look at the animal kingdom...).
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Yes, they said it. But is it true? I read sociological studies claiming otherwise (no general difference to the rest of population). And btw, even if it was, it would not support a universal claim that evil comes from religion (which is utter nonsense - have a look at the animal kingdom...).
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Guest: a christian (1128 days ago)
Where is the evidence to back that up. i could say that more atheists abuse children than anyone else. can you prove that this is correct or not?
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Where is the evidence to back that up. i could say that more atheists abuse children than anyone else. can you prove that this is correct or not?
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Guest: eH!! (360 days ago)
Latest comment: FFS......I think I have probably eaten things that are smarter than you.
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Latest comment: FFS......I think I have probably eaten things that are smarter than you.
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Guest: jimbo (1128 days ago)
Hitchen did not really give the other guy a chance to get a word in edgewise. That was not really a debate.
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Hitchen did not really give the other guy a chance to get a word in edgewise. That was not really a debate.
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Filmaddict Filmaddict (1129 days ago)
The chronic misinterpretation of religion, to meet ones own skewed agenda, is the cause of immorality; but, isn't one person's morality, another person's immorality? Again, somewhat subjective. I must admit, I'm a bit tired of atheists using the old argument that those of faith must be ignoramuses. Thankfully, whatever God one worships, deity does not care whether you are wealthy and educated in Oxford or an illiterate beggar on the street. Why don't atheists argue with extremist Muslims? Because Christians are easy targets, knowing there will be no repercussions. I would love them to have the same arguments with Jews, who I am sure would be somewhat insulted by Hitchen's rhetoric, bearing in mind many Jews secular world is entrenched in their religion.
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The chronic misinterpretation of religion, to meet ones own skewed agenda, is the cause of immorality; but, isn't one person's morality, another person's immorality? Again, somewhat subjective. I must admit, I'm a bit tired of atheists using the old argument that those of faith must be ignoramuses. Thankfully, whatever God one worships, deity does not care whether you are wealthy and educated in Oxford or an illiterate beggar on the street. Why don't atheists argue with extremist Muslims? Because Christians are easy targets, knowing there will be no repercussions. I would love them to have the same arguments with Jews, who I am sure would be somewhat insulted by Hitchen's rhetoric, bearing in mind many Jews secular world is entrenched in their religion.
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Guest: Darwins Radio (1128 days ago)
I can see why you might be tired of being called an ignoramus. Have a read of the synoptic gospels, Jesus had a few things to say about the wealthy, "...I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Apparently the repercussions are an eternity in hell - but at least they have stopped the burning at the stake bit here on earth. Maybe they should start that again if they're tired of people thinking for themselves.
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I can see why you might be tired of being called an ignoramus. Have a read of the synoptic gospels, Jesus had a few things to say about the wealthy, "...I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Apparently the repercussions are an eternity in hell - but at least they have stopped the burning at the stake bit here on earth. Maybe they should start that again if they're tired of people thinking for themselves.
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Filmaddict Filmaddict (1101 days ago)
You see Darwins Radio, people like yourself are the kind of people who blatantly know nothing of the gospels and their true meaning, synoptic or otherwise, and who chronically misinterpret religion. Therefore, I must conclude that you are no better than than an ignoramus; nevertheless, God and I still love you.
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You see Darwins Radio, people like yourself are the kind of people who blatantly know nothing of the gospels and their true meaning, synoptic or otherwise, and who chronically misinterpret religion. Therefore, I must conclude that you are no better than than an ignoramus; nevertheless, God and I still love you.
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TheBob TheBob (1128 days ago)
Being specific, he said "anyone who says that Fascism and Nazism were secular is an ignoramus". I'd like to see the atheist/muslim debate too - but bearing in mind what happened to Salman Rushdie (not to mention what's been happening to secularists in Pakistan), you can see why they might be reluctant
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Being specific, he said "anyone who says that Fascism and Nazism were secular is an ignoramus". I'd like to see the atheist/muslim debate too - but bearing in mind what happened to Salman Rushdie (not to mention what's been happening to secularists in Pakistan), you can see why they might be reluctant
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Filmaddict Filmaddict (1101 days ago)
Yes, you are absolutely correct, but the inference is always present.
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Yes, you are absolutely correct, but the inference is always present.
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Caladon Caladon (1128 days ago)
Would like to see the rest of this debate. Although, I hope Hitchens gives the deluded chap time to speak; always amusing to hear a religious person's faith not fact point of view, especially when they have a tv camera on them.
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Would like to see the rest of this debate. Although, I hope Hitchens gives the deluded chap time to speak; always amusing to hear a religious person's faith not fact point of view, especially when they have a tv camera on them.
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Guest: zottek (1128 days ago)
Hitchens forgot to add that Stalin was a devout believer. He certainly massacred unbelievers only. Same with Mao, who inflicted mass starvation exclusively on non-believers.
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Hitchens forgot to add that Stalin was a devout believer. He certainly massacred unbelievers only. Same with Mao, who inflicted mass starvation exclusively on non-believers.
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Guest: a christian (1128 days ago)
I assume you mean devout believers in atheism
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I assume you mean devout believers in atheism
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Guest: OrdinaryGuy (1128 days ago)
Wow, that religious guy got destroyed. Clearly not a match for the wit and intelligence of Hitchens. Anyone who breaks Godwin's Law automatically loses the debate. As an atheist it is not faith that bothers me, it is organized religion. The organized perpetuation of stupidity. The belief that the earth is just a couple of thousand years old and that evolution is a lie. It's in all the extras surrounding faith where evil resides. It's dragging your kids to church when they are too young to make up their own mind, indoctrinating fragile minds. If you really need a god in your life, that's fine, just don't force it onto others. In most of the world, slavery is illegal. But organized religion still supports slavery of the the mind.
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Wow, that religious guy got destroyed. Clearly not a match for the wit and intelligence of Hitchens. Anyone who breaks Godwin's Law automatically loses the debate. As an atheist it is not faith that bothers me, it is organized religion. The organized perpetuation of stupidity. The belief that the earth is just a couple of thousand years old and that evolution is a lie. It's in all the extras surrounding faith where evil resides. It's dragging your kids to church when they are too young to make up their own mind, indoctrinating fragile minds. If you really need a god in your life, that's fine, just don't force it onto others. In most of the world, slavery is illegal. But organized religion still supports slavery of the the mind.
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Guest: a christian (1128 days ago)
OrdinaryGuy you are obviously American. Automatically you assume that all religious are creationists. Wrong. And dont call yourselves atheists call yourselves Christian haters as we are the only people ye seem to attack. Also if you dont want God in your life dont force it onto others. That one works both ways although the majority of christians will let YOU have YOUR beliefs unlike atheists. And organized education also supports slavery of the mind as does organized politics or anything that is organized.
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OrdinaryGuy you are obviously American. Automatically you assume that all religious are creationists. Wrong. And dont call yourselves atheists call yourselves Christian haters as we are the only people ye seem to attack. Also if you dont want God in your life dont force it onto others. That one works both ways although the majority of christians will let YOU have YOUR beliefs unlike atheists. And organized education also supports slavery of the mind as does organized politics or anything that is organized.
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Guest: OrdinaryGuy (1127 days ago)
First, if you read my post, I never mentioned Christians. We are talking about religion in general that encompasses Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and all the rest. The same thing for Hitchens, you should look him up on youtube. He has done a lot of debates with Muslims too, if not he's even more vocal towards them since the Koran justifies even more violence than the bible. So don't play the scapegoat, a little research goes a long way. Second, I am not American. I was talking about creationism as a part of organized religion. Something that was born out of religion. I did not say they are one thing or that all people of faith are creationists. You sure like to assume. Very religious of you, making your own facts so everything fits to your point of view. Third assumption, we hate Christians, you obviously don't know any atheists. Disagreeing with somebody does not mean you hate that person. I don't hate you for example. Forth, people are born with blank minds, how does not forcing something on that mind make it a forcible act? What's wrong with letting people decide by themselves instead of somebody else (the parent) making that decision. Fifth, separation of church and state and freedom of religion. That means nobody can prevent you from having your beliefs and nobody can force them on to others. The latter is something atheist will stand up for. So don't be paranoid, nobody is after your right to worship. Sixth, organized religion deals in fairy tales, pseudo science, mythology and mind games. Education deals with hard facts and basic skills. There is absolutely no comparison between those two, you are right about the politics though. I just organized my closet, did I just commit an act of slavery. Don't be silly please. In fact I'm astounded a reasonable person can even come to that conclusion. Your reply resembles the rant of an insecure kid. Basically when you tell a kid something it does not like, it reacts with aggression and substitution of reality to make a hard truth more bearable. The only advise I can give you, is think before you say something. Do some research instead of assuming. Google is your friend. Everything you just said were wrong assumptions. Think about that.
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First, if you read my post, I never mentioned Christians. We are talking about religion in general that encompasses Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and all the rest. The same thing for Hitchens, you should look him up on youtube. He has done a lot of debates with Muslims too, if not he's even more vocal towards them since the Koran justifies even more violence than the bible. So don't play the scapegoat, a little research goes a long way. Second, I am not American. I was talking about creationism as a part of organized religion. Something that was born out of religion. I did not say they are one thing or that all people of faith are creationists. You sure like to assume. Very religious of you, making your own facts so everything fits to your point of view. Third assumption, we hate Christians, you obviously don't know any atheists. Disagreeing with somebody does not mean you hate that person. I don't hate you for example. Forth, people are born with blank minds, how does not forcing something on that mind make it a forcible act? What's wrong with letting people decide by themselves instead of somebody else (the parent) making that decision. Fifth, separation of church and state and freedom of religion. That means nobody can prevent you from having your beliefs and nobody can force them on to others. The latter is something atheist will stand up for. So don't be paranoid, nobody is after your right to worship. Sixth, organized religion deals in fairy tales, pseudo science, mythology and mind games. Education deals with hard facts and basic skills. There is absolutely no comparison between those two, you are right about the politics though. I just organized my closet, did I just commit an act of slavery. Don't be silly please. In fact I'm astounded a reasonable person can even come to that conclusion. Your reply resembles the rant of an insecure kid. Basically when you tell a kid something it does not like, it reacts with aggression and substitution of reality to make a hard truth more bearable. The only advise I can give you, is think before you say something. Do some research instead of assuming. Google is your friend. Everything you just said were wrong assumptions. Think about that.
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