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Homosexuality, how much is it nature or nurture?

Homosexuality, how much is it nature or nurture?

(3:07) Minnesota Representative Steve Simon, a Democrat speaking against a proposed Minnesota constitutional amendment, asks: "How many gays must God create before we accept He actually wants them around?"

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Guest: (2391 days ago)
God doesn't create gay's, it's a lifestyle choice. And who is god anyway?
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God doesn't create gay's, it's a lifestyle choice. And who is god anyway?
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Humpty Humpty (2391 days ago)
So, you're saying that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice? This means that at some point you had to make a decision to be attracted to the opposite sex: "Being Gay" was - by your rationale - at some point a valid option for you; one that you chose not to follow? ... you great pillock.
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So, you're saying that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice? This means that at some point you had to make a decision to be attracted to the opposite sex: "Being Gay" was - by your rationale - at some point a valid option for you; one that you chose not to follow? ... you great pillock.
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TheBob TheBob (2391 days ago)
I don't know (but I might guess) if you're gay or straight: but did you make a lifestyle choice about it? Or have you always "just had" your sexual orientation?
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I don't know (but I might guess) if you're gay or straight: but did you make a lifestyle choice about it? Or have you always "just had" your sexual orientation?
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
I heard this in a great video regarding the subject. "When did you choose to be straight?"
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I heard this in a great video regarding the subject. "When did you choose to be straight?"
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
I don't know about God but it's a mistake to think evolution designs things to work perfectly. There is a widespread fallacy about the harmony of nature when in fact for every animal perfectly fitted to it's situation there are many imperfect ones and some downright wonky. So it's no argument for homosexuality to say because it is a predisposition in many people it is natural and therefore good. You could say the same thing about obesity or sickle cell anemia. Rather the argument should come from liberty, if they don't do any harm to anyone else they deserve toleration and protection. Endorsement is different question.
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I don't know about God but it's a mistake to think evolution designs things to work perfectly. There is a widespread fallacy about the harmony of nature when in fact for every animal perfectly fitted to it's situation there are many imperfect ones and some downright wonky. So it's no argument for homosexuality to say because it is a predisposition in many people it is natural and therefore good. You could say the same thing about obesity or sickle cell anemia. Rather the argument should come from liberty, if they don't do any harm to anyone else they deserve toleration and protection. Endorsement is different question.
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
That is a clever (and rational) piece of oratory which leaves the religious types very little room to manoeuvre. Let's see what happens next.
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That is a clever (and rational) piece of oratory which leaves the religious types very little room to manoeuvre. Let's see what happens next.
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Guest: (2388 days ago)
Well according to the most recent study of mono-zygotic (genetically identical) twins Bailey & Pillard 1991, where one says he is homosexual in only half of cases does the other twin say he is homosexual which does not argue well for strict genetic determinism. More probably a genetic predisposition triggered by an environmental factor, like obesity. So saying God made people homosexual is like saying God made people obese. In a hunter-gatherer society no one is obese because they eat a healthy diet and get lots of exercise. Perhaps there is something about our social organization which triggers homosexuality.
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Well according to the most recent study of mono-zygotic (genetically identical) twins Bailey & Pillard 1991, where one says he is homosexual in only half of cases does the other twin say he is homosexual which does not argue well for strict genetic determinism. More probably a genetic predisposition triggered by an environmental factor, like obesity. So saying God made people homosexual is like saying God made people obese. In a hunter-gatherer society no one is obese because they eat a healthy diet and get lots of exercise. Perhaps there is something about our social organization which triggers homosexuality.
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Guest: OpenlyMinded (2081 days ago)
Personally, I do not believe that "being gay" is a lifestyle choice. I believe that when people say that they choose to be gay, it is not that they are choosing to be, but rather they are ready to be who they truly are and not hiding/denying it any longer. If someone is homosexual, they should feel safe enough to come out openly with it. But then again, in today's society, that is not always possible.
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Personally, I do not believe that "being gay" is a lifestyle choice. I believe that when people say that they choose to be gay, it is not that they are choosing to be, but rather they are ready to be who they truly are and not hiding/denying it any longer. If someone is homosexual, they should feel safe enough to come out openly with it. But then again, in today's society, that is not always possible.
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
IT IS NEITHER. No, its not a choice but there is NO God.
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IT IS NEITHER. No, its not a choice but there is NO God.
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Guest: Jimbo Chester (2073 days ago)
Latest comment: The face on the women next to him would turn anyone gay. Look at that mouth. On a serious note..What has god got to do with it..The oppression carried out in the name of an imaginary diety has been going on for centuries. It is not a lifestyle choice any more than being hetrosexual is a lifestyle choice..As a hetrosexual my view is that gay people should be respected and treated no different from the rest of us.Maybe we should persecute baldies or short people..Remember the wonderfull people who contributed so much to all of us like Tchaikovsky to name but one
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Latest comment: The face on the women next to him would turn anyone gay. Look at that mouth. On a serious note..What has god got to do with it..The oppression carried out in the name of an imaginary diety has been going on for centuries. It is not a lifestyle choice any more than being hetrosexual is a lifestyle choice..As a hetrosexual my view is that gay people should be respected and treated no different from the rest of us.Maybe we should persecute baldies or short people..Remember the wonderfull people who contributed so much to all of us like Tchaikovsky to name but one
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Guest: this is SPARTA (2388 days ago)
Are paedophiles born with that orientation or did they choose to be what they are? Don't be offended as I am not comparing any sexual orientation but questioning the nurture nature argument. I think it's far more complicated than the simplistic arguments being viewed here.
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Are paedophiles born with that orientation or did they choose to be what they are? Don't be offended as I am not comparing any sexual orientation but questioning the nurture nature argument. I think it's far more complicated than the simplistic arguments being viewed here.
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Guest: Jimbo Chester (2391 days ago)
The face on that women sitting next to him would make even a roaring screaming hetrosexual like me turn gay. Seriously folks.. People who are gay are like people with any disfunction that can not be cured . They should be treated with compassion,respect and acceptance except of course peodophiles who should be hung or burnt alive.
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The face on that women sitting next to him would make even a roaring screaming hetrosexual like me turn gay. Seriously folks.. People who are gay are like people with any disfunction that can not be cured . They should be treated with compassion,respect and acceptance except of course peodophiles who should be hung or burnt alive.
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Filmaddict Filmaddict (2391 days ago)
There is a research project in the US, trying to prove that homosexuality is nature rather than nurture, but they're so far from proving there is a gay gene, it might be years before they know anything, but I'm sure there are many gays who would finance the research. On an evolutionary level, if being gay is genetic, then there would have been no way of passing on their genome (prior to artificial insemination or simply using a surrogate) to their offspring, therefore could you say it is a mutation??? Does that mean all gays are X-Men??? Therefore, if there is a gay gene, how come 1 out of four offspring are not gay?? And, if homosexuals knew they would pass on their this 'gay gene' to their offspring, would they choose to have any children?
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There is a research project in the US, trying to prove that homosexuality is nature rather than nurture, but they're so far from proving there is a gay gene, it might be years before they know anything, but I'm sure there are many gays who would finance the research. On an evolutionary level, if being gay is genetic, then there would have been no way of passing on their genome (prior to artificial insemination or simply using a surrogate) to their offspring, therefore could you say it is a mutation??? Does that mean all gays are X-Men??? Therefore, if there is a gay gene, how come 1 out of four offspring are not gay?? And, if homosexuals knew they would pass on their this 'gay gene' to their offspring, would they choose to have any children?
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Guest: Darwins Radio (2390 days ago)
If the gene is X rather than Y linked then there is no problem with the gene perpetuating itself. Especially if the same gene confers a reproductive advantage to the female. Latest studies are showing that gay men, in general, have more relatives than straight men.
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If the gene is X rather than Y linked then there is no problem with the gene perpetuating itself. Especially if the same gene confers a reproductive advantage to the female. Latest studies are showing that gay men, in general, have more relatives than straight men.
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Filmaddict Filmaddict (2388 days ago)
"Latest studies are showing that gay men, in general, have more relatives than straight men" There might be a correlation here, but it does not mean this is the causation. There are so many other factors that would suggest a correlation to having more relatives than heterosexual men.
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"Latest studies are showing that gay men, in general, have more relatives than straight men" There might be a correlation here, but it does not mean this is the causation. There are so many other factors that would suggest a correlation to having more relatives than heterosexual men.
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
That's rather unlikely. It could be a case like sickle cell anemia where one dose of a gene is an advantage to procreation but two doses is a disadvantage or it might be having homosexuals in the tribe or family is an advantage to the group so it is selected for through nieces and nephews. Or maybe it's triggered by something in the environment which has become common in the last 10,000 years but was unknown before that. There's still a lot about evolution we don't completely understand.
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That's rather unlikely. It could be a case like sickle cell anemia where one dose of a gene is an advantage to procreation but two doses is a disadvantage or it might be having homosexuals in the tribe or family is an advantage to the group so it is selected for through nieces and nephews. Or maybe it's triggered by something in the environment which has become common in the last 10,000 years but was unknown before that. There's still a lot about evolution we don't completely understand.
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Guest: Werner (2352 days ago)
Who actually cares? is the next man or woman's sexual orientation any of our business?
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Who actually cares? is the next man or woman's sexual orientation any of our business?
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Guest: loki (2391 days ago)
that bloke should be president
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that bloke should be president
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Guest: jakemercman (2391 days ago)
Nobody wants a gay president
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Nobody wants a gay president
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Guest: (2391 days ago)
If it came to a choice between a gay male president and Sarah Palin, I would choose the gay option.
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If it came to a choice between a gay male president and Sarah Palin, I would choose the gay option.
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Guest: loki (2341 days ago)
you've polled everyone? fukk off bigot
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you've polled everyone? fukk off bigot
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