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Should evolution be taught in schools?

(14:48) Miss USA 2011 contestants are asked: Should evolution be taught in schools? Evolution is the currently accepted scientific theory that explains how life has come to be as it is today. So if you teach science, then you should teach evolution as you would any other scientific theory. The question should be: Should creationism be taught as a science?

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Guest: (2338 days ago)
For people who denigrate other people’s understanding many of the respondents on this piece are rather fuzzy in their thinking. Evolution is not a fact in the way 2+2 = 4 or ‘Ulan Bator is the capital of Mongolia’ is a fact. Evolution is the best rational explanation of a natural phenomenon. It’s a ‘fact’ in the way Newton’s physics was a ‘fact’ until Einstein and relativity superseded it. When we say a thing is ‘true’ we can mean any one of several things each of which is quite different in the basis from which ‘truth’ is derived. Creationism certainly is not science, it is clearly religion. The problem with teaching it in schools is the schools and the way they are organized. Parents should have the power to teach their children whatever they like within the law up to the age of majority, to deny this is a tyrannical and dehumanizing substitution of state for family. It opens the way for every sort of abuse by the state.
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For people who denigrate other people’s understanding many of the respondents on this piece are rather fuzzy in their thinking. Evolution is not a fact in the way 2+2 = 4 or ‘Ulan Bator is the capital of Mongolia’ is a fact. Evolution is the best rational explanation of a natural phenomenon. It’s a ‘fact’ in the way Newton’s physics was a ‘fact’ until Einstein and relativity superseded it. When we say a thing is ‘true’ we can mean any one of several things each of which is quite different in the basis from which ‘truth’ is derived. Creationism certainly is not science, it is clearly religion. The problem with teaching it in schools is the schools and the way they are organized. Parents should have the power to teach their children whatever they like within the law up to the age of majority, to deny this is a tyrannical and dehumanizing substitution of state for family. It opens the way for every sort of abuse by the state.
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Guest: (1834 days ago)
Latest comment: Although your point is well written, I think your view is too simplistic. You say parents should be allowed to teach whatever they like and I understand what you are saying, however, in reality, parents do not 'teach', they 'brainwash' their children to believe what they believe. It is no coincidence that most Southern Indian people are Hindu, most Saudis are Muslim, most Spanish are Catholic, most Americans are Christian (Protestant etc) and so on. This is not due to well reasoned thought or analysis of the data, this is brainwashing. So no, parents should not be allowed to dictate what their children are subjected to in terms of how the world was born, they should be taught the well established facts of evolution.
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Latest comment: Although your point is well written, I think your view is too simplistic. You say parents should be allowed to teach whatever they like and I understand what you are saying, however, in reality, parents do not 'teach', they 'brainwash' their children to believe what they believe. It is no coincidence that most Southern Indian people are Hindu, most Saudis are Muslim, most Spanish are Catholic, most Americans are Christian (Protestant etc) and so on. This is not due to well reasoned thought or analysis of the data, this is brainwashing. So no, parents should not be allowed to dictate what their children are subjected to in terms of how the world was born, they should be taught the well established facts of evolution.
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Guest: (2338 days ago)
The problem some religious people have with evolution is it’s materialist world view. The material or realist explanation of the observed world is the basis of science, to a casual materialist observer it might seem this view is ‘fact’ (just as to an adherent of a religion it’s dogmas are ‘facts’) but taking the world as constructed by our brains from sensory stimulation has some fundamental problems. It is in essence an assumption not easy to distinguish from faith. Religious people ‘know’ the hard materialist explanation of reality is wrong for the same ‘reasons’ materialists know it is right, they feel it.
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The problem some religious people have with evolution is it’s materialist world view. The material or realist explanation of the observed world is the basis of science, to a casual materialist observer it might seem this view is ‘fact’ (just as to an adherent of a religion it’s dogmas are ‘facts’) but taking the world as constructed by our brains from sensory stimulation has some fundamental problems. It is in essence an assumption not easy to distinguish from faith. Religious people ‘know’ the hard materialist explanation of reality is wrong for the same ‘reasons’ materialists know it is right, they feel it.
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Guest: Zealot (2339 days ago)
Evolution should definitely be taught in school. It just needs to be clearly explained that it is a theory and that there are still unresolved questions. I think the problem is it's presented as irrefutable fact and that's really not very scientific. On another note, I love how unbelievably biased Boreme is when dealing with this subject. We get it. You think creationists are morons. Doesn't exactly foster an environment of rational discussion.
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Evolution should definitely be taught in school. It just needs to be clearly explained that it is a theory and that there are still unresolved questions. I think the problem is it's presented as irrefutable fact and that's really not very scientific. On another note, I love how unbelievably biased Boreme is when dealing with this subject. We get it. You think creationists are morons. Doesn't exactly foster an environment of rational discussion.
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MissAlanius MissAlanius (2338 days ago)
A rational environment for discussion would seem ridiculous with flat-earth believers, why should it be any different with creationists?
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A rational environment for discussion would seem ridiculous with flat-earth believers, why should it be any different with creationists?
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BoreMeEditor BoreMeEditor (2338 days ago)
Of course BoreMe is biased, all edited sites are, that is the point. And BoreMe does think creationists are morons, but how would you feel about someone who believes the Almighty needed a rest after six busy days? Or that 72 virgins are waiting for the hero who blows up non-believers?
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Of course BoreMe is biased, all edited sites are, that is the point. And BoreMe does think creationists are morons, but how would you feel about someone who believes the Almighty needed a rest after six busy days? Or that 72 virgins are waiting for the hero who blows up non-believers?
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adko adko (2339 days ago)
i think you don't understand term "theory" (or scientific theory) correctly. evolution is well documented and described. Some proposed explanations are still waiting to be verified but are now consistent with scientific methods. remember that gravity is still a scientific theory as well. nobody is proposing other explanations ;) sorry, it's nothing rational about creationism.
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i think you don't understand term "theory" (or scientific theory) correctly. evolution is well documented and described. Some proposed explanations are still waiting to be verified but are now consistent with scientific methods. remember that gravity is still a scientific theory as well. nobody is proposing other explanations ;) sorry, it's nothing rational about creationism.
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Guest: Zealot (2336 days ago)
Man you guys are blind. Look at your own videos! There's a friggin transparent eel! Why? Why would that evolve? Or a lizard that shoots its own blood out of its eye. What possible cause is there for that? C'mon. There are thousands of traits in thousands of species that don't fit into any evolutionary model but your answer is consistently, "We don't know why yet but we'll figure it out." No. You won't because these traits contradict evolutionary theory. They don't make sense and frankly, there is no reason they would have evolved that way. You can prove dominant traits in existing species. Great. But you don't have the first clue why a ******* caterpillar needed to climb a ******* tree, spin a ******* cocoon out of its own ******* body, completely change its entire ******* form and ******* fly. When you can do that, I'll let you call it a fact. Until then, it's an unproven, completely flawed, poorly thought out hypothesis at best. Oh and Editor? You're an asshole.
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Man you guys are blind. Look at your own videos! There's a friggin transparent eel! Why? Why would that evolve? Or a lizard that shoots its own blood out of its eye. What possible cause is there for that? C'mon. There are thousands of traits in thousands of species that don't fit into any evolutionary model but your answer is consistently, "We don't know why yet but we'll figure it out." No. You won't because these traits contradict evolutionary theory. They don't make sense and frankly, there is no reason they would have evolved that way. You can prove dominant traits in existing species. Great. But you don't have the first clue why a ******* caterpillar needed to climb a ******* tree, spin a ******* cocoon out of its own ******* body, completely change its entire ******* form and ******* fly. When you can do that, I'll let you call it a fact. Until then, it's an unproven, completely flawed, poorly thought out hypothesis at best. Oh and Editor? You're an asshole.
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Guest: (1834 days ago)
If he's an asshole, you are a total ********. I love the fact that creationists pick an animal that they think cannot be explained by evolution (when they can) and say that that is a definite disproof against evolution. Really? So does all the evidence that does support evolution not contradict everything in Genesis? How old is the Earth, Zealot? You are a retard and you should never be allowed to breed.
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If he's an asshole, you are a total ********. I love the fact that creationists pick an animal that they think cannot be explained by evolution (when they can) and say that that is a definite disproof against evolution. Really? So does all the evidence that does support evolution not contradict everything in Genesis? How old is the Earth, Zealot? You are a retard and you should never be allowed to breed.
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Guest: (2333 days ago)
Zealot - sure, there are unanswered questions. But the ToE deals with almost all of the questions in a very plausible way. Also, it encourages us to investigate the unanswered cases to discover how these organisms might have come about. That way we learn new things and might even replace the ToE with something better. If all *you* can offer is "god did it" then that's the end of the story. What do you do next? Sit and daydream about it?
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Zealot - sure, there are unanswered questions. But the ToE deals with almost all of the questions in a very plausible way. Also, it encourages us to investigate the unanswered cases to discover how these organisms might have come about. That way we learn new things and might even replace the ToE with something better. If all *you* can offer is "god did it" then that's the end of the story. What do you do next? Sit and daydream about it?
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Guest: CompSci-Philosopher (2183 days ago)
It is clearly the mutations brought about by unexpected chemical and physical combinations and anomalies that produce abilities and characteristics like transparence and eye-blood shooting lizards. So WHY do mutations happen? That is what the SCIENCE and methods inherently in scientific inquiry (Logic, Math, Statistics, Chemistry, Physics, etc...) are designed to help us come to conclusions about what we observe and measure. Whenever you loose site of the way to measure a phenomenon, that is where faith begins. To be able to measure the accuracy of biblical writings we will need the ability to go back in time to see the things happening and hear the words of all the prophets in the appropriate social contexts. Fortunately, it is much easier to dig up stuff and carbon date it to measure the age of a fossilized skull or biological entity. In which case we've LEARNED irrefutably that the world is much older than 6000yrs. Oops...I think we've found the biggest problem with Judeo-Christian dogma that asks us to take their writings as definitive answers as to where things came from and how. If however, you would like to teach young people how to use methods of philosphical thought and scientific inquiry how to distinguish between theories and belief systems...then perhaps the question about teach evolution in school becomes one of which theories and beliefs will we expose our youth to and where is the most appropriate field of disciplined thought to teach each of these respectively. To function well as a human we all have to use what we've been graced with (by chance or design), namely our abilities to reason and feel...giving belief the upper hand because we feel that would be best would not be reasoned or reasonable. With all that said, everyone should read the bible, Aristotle, Lao Tzu, and as many different philosophical works as one can before arriving at a position where they can say definitively something SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be taught to a young pliable mind.
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It is clearly the mutations brought about by unexpected chemical and physical combinations and anomalies that produce abilities and characteristics like transparence and eye-blood shooting lizards. So WHY do mutations happen? That is what the SCIENCE and methods inherently in scientific inquiry (Logic, Math, Statistics, Chemistry, Physics, etc...) are designed to help us come to conclusions about what we observe and measure. Whenever you loose site of the way to measure a phenomenon, that is where faith begins. To be able to measure the accuracy of biblical writings we will need the ability to go back in time to see the things happening and hear the words of all the prophets in the appropriate social contexts. Fortunately, it is much easier to dig up stuff and carbon date it to measure the age of a fossilized skull or biological entity. In which case we've LEARNED irrefutably that the world is much older than 6000yrs. Oops...I think we've found the biggest problem with Judeo-Christian dogma that asks us to take their writings as definitive answers as to where things came from and how. If however, you would like to teach young people how to use methods of philosphical thought and scientific inquiry how to distinguish between theories and belief systems...then perhaps the question about teach evolution in school becomes one of which theories and beliefs will we expose our youth to and where is the most appropriate field of disciplined thought to teach each of these respectively. To function well as a human we all have to use what we've been graced with (by chance or design), namely our abilities to reason and feel...giving belief the upper hand because we feel that would be best would not be reasoned or reasonable. With all that said, everyone should read the bible, Aristotle, Lao Tzu, and as many different philosophical works as one can before arriving at a position where they can say definitively something SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be taught to a young pliable mind.
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Guest: Mmm (2338 days ago)
From my experience evolution is not taught as irrefutable fact; it is taught as the most plausible, most factually supported, most scientifically rigorous explanation we have for how the world as we know it today came to be. It's taught as this because this is exactly what it is.
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From my experience evolution is not taught as irrefutable fact; it is taught as the most plausible, most factually supported, most scientifically rigorous explanation we have for how the world as we know it today came to be. It's taught as this because this is exactly what it is.
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glortman glortman (2338 days ago)
Both evolution and creationism should be taught. Evolution should be taught in science class, and creationism in religion class. Of course evolution should be taught as a changing and developing set of ideas that are subject to being falsified. And Christian creationism should be taught along side the idea that the great bird Nyx laid an egg whose shell became the earth. Still, astonishing that this is even a question in 2011.
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Both evolution and creationism should be taught. Evolution should be taught in science class, and creationism in religion class. Of course evolution should be taught as a changing and developing set of ideas that are subject to being falsified. And Christian creationism should be taught along side the idea that the great bird Nyx laid an egg whose shell became the earth. Still, astonishing that this is even a question in 2011.
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Guest: Dawkins is God (2338 days ago)
Creationism should not be taught even in religious studies - As religious studies should not be taught at all - Religion should be a part of history and philosophy lessons - As in "here is what some people believed before we realised they were wrong'' and ''This is what some idiots still believe"'.
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Creationism should not be taught even in religious studies - As religious studies should not be taught at all - Religion should be a part of history and philosophy lessons - As in "here is what some people believed before we realised they were wrong'' and ''This is what some idiots still believe"'.
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Guest: (2338 days ago)
So even if the child’s parents want them to be taught something you think the sate should come in and contradict the parent? Or at least the state should tax everybody for the school and then if you don’t want the officially sanctioned education you should have to pay extra? What happens when this principle is applied to other areas? Or when the government falls into the hands of people who's idea of truth disagrees with yours? You can’t teach history or civics or philosophy or even some areas of science without taking a moral stance, who should decide what that moral perspective should be?
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So even if the child’s parents want them to be taught something you think the sate should come in and contradict the parent? Or at least the state should tax everybody for the school and then if you don’t want the officially sanctioned education you should have to pay extra? What happens when this principle is applied to other areas? Or when the government falls into the hands of people who's idea of truth disagrees with yours? You can’t teach history or civics or philosophy or even some areas of science without taking a moral stance, who should decide what that moral perspective should be?
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Guest: (1834 days ago)
Congratulations on the most ignorant reply ever to reach the internet. Please name a system where parents are surveyed prior to study and all their beliefs are then taught to the children. Of course the state is responsible for the curriculum that children study. If parents don't want to believe evolution then they should send their kids to a cult school where the Bible, Koran, stories of Norse mythology etc are the mainstream belief so that brainwashing can have it's maximum effect. To learn facts, however inconvenient to an ignorant parents mind, kids should be sent to a school. Why should children be subjected to their parent's beliefs without choice. People like you are child abusers, not allowing free choice and deciding what children think is right and wrong on their behalf. It is disgusting. Your comment on morality, which is an entirely separate issue, is equally as ignorant. Why do religious people think they have the sole rights to morals? Science has NO morality, it is about finding facts not what it wants the outcome to be. Science is not about self gratification, if evidence disproves a theory, a new theory EVOLVES (sorry for swearing) that fits the new model. Scientists don't say, "I don't understand why that happened, so for now let's imagine it was up to magic man in the sky". Morality is a culmination of years of behavioural evolution that shows the most harmonious way for a society to progress. It is not a fear of reprisals from an imaginary being who incidentally is happy to kill, maim and abuse people when fits and promotes slavery. You genuinely make me sick with your ridiculous self righteousness and arrogance, but most of all your ignorance. Grow up
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Congratulations on the most ignorant reply ever to reach the internet. Please name a system where parents are surveyed prior to study and all their beliefs are then taught to the children. Of course the state is responsible for the curriculum that children study. If parents don't want to believe evolution then they should send their kids to a cult school where the Bible, Koran, stories of Norse mythology etc are the mainstream belief so that brainwashing can have it's maximum effect. To learn facts, however inconvenient to an ignorant parents mind, kids should be sent to a school. Why should children be subjected to their parent's beliefs without choice. People like you are child abusers, not allowing free choice and deciding what children think is right and wrong on their behalf. It is disgusting. Your comment on morality, which is an entirely separate issue, is equally as ignorant. Why do religious people think they have the sole rights to morals? Science has NO morality, it is about finding facts not what it wants the outcome to be. Science is not about self gratification, if evidence disproves a theory, a new theory EVOLVES (sorry for swearing) that fits the new model. Scientists don't say, "I don't understand why that happened, so for now let's imagine it was up to magic man in the sky". Morality is a culmination of years of behavioural evolution that shows the most harmonious way for a society to progress. It is not a fear of reprisals from an imaginary being who incidentally is happy to kill, maim and abuse people when fits and promotes slavery. You genuinely make me sick with your ridiculous self righteousness and arrogance, but most of all your ignorance. Grow up
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Guest: (2333 days ago)
So, schools should only teach things that all parents agree on? Well, that won't take long, so parents will have several hours a day to teach their kids all the rest.
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So, schools should only teach things that all parents agree on? Well, that won't take long, so parents will have several hours a day to teach their kids all the rest.
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Guest: Realist (2339 days ago)
By definition creationism is not scientific. Teach creationism in places of religion, where you learn about other idiotic make belief fairytales.
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By definition creationism is not scientific. Teach creationism in places of religion, where you learn about other idiotic make belief fairytales.
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Guest: boontah (2338 days ago)
yeah, stupid both sides argument, why do they not teach evolution in religion class then? (and i don't mean the evolution myths that religios people think are the truth)
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yeah, stupid both sides argument, why do they not teach evolution in religion class then? (and i don't mean the evolution myths that religios people think are the truth)
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Guest: Darwinning (2337 days ago)
They seem to be as dumb as the Muslims, the future of the human race looks shitty
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They seem to be as dumb as the Muslims, the future of the human race looks shitty
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Guest: (2338 days ago)
Miss California!! Vote for the Geek !
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Miss California!! Vote for the Geek !
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Guest: (2339 days ago)
Interesting that they all (well, I stopped after the first 3) discuss "belief" in evolution as if it was a matter of faith. They don't seem to be able to get off that way of thinking. Well, I guess their strengths lie elsewhere.
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Interesting that they all (well, I stopped after the first 3) discuss "belief" in evolution as if it was a matter of faith. They don't seem to be able to get off that way of thinking. Well, I guess their strengths lie elsewhere.
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Guest: Bush-is-a-murderer (2337 days ago)
I really hope that anyone viewing this will not leap to conclusions about how bigoted, narrow-minded, uneducated, reliously dimwitted, luddite-ish, flat-earthed the Americans really are. Nope- that would be unfair. In the real world, they're worse. They elected Bush, and - dear non-existent God - they might elect Michele Bachman. We're ******* ladiesngennelmen. Drink up and say goodbye.
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I really hope that anyone viewing this will not leap to conclusions about how bigoted, narrow-minded, uneducated, reliously dimwitted, luddite-ish, flat-earthed the Americans really are. Nope- that would be unfair. In the real world, they're worse. They elected Bush, and - dear non-existent God - they might elect Michele Bachman. We're ******* ladiesngennelmen. Drink up and say goodbye.
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Guest: (2335 days ago)
I'm more sanguine. Americans elected Bush because the alternative was Gore, likewise Obama was voted in because it was that or McCain. God knows what kind of drooling, brain-dead loony the Democrats would have to put up for Bachmann to get in but I'm sure they can find someone in their party if they try. Also all national chief executives are murderers as necessity presents, it's part of what they are hired to do.
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I'm more sanguine. Americans elected Bush because the alternative was Gore, likewise Obama was voted in because it was that or McCain. God knows what kind of drooling, brain-dead loony the Democrats would have to put up for Bachmann to get in but I'm sure they can find someone in their party if they try. Also all national chief executives are murderers as necessity presents, it's part of what they are hired to do.
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slicksps slicksps (2338 days ago)
Evolution should be taught because it is fact. Creationism should also be taught as it continues to drive billions of people worldwide and children should be taught to understand and accept other people for their beliefs because let's face it, very few are going to change their minds.
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Evolution should be taught because it is fact. Creationism should also be taught as it continues to drive billions of people worldwide and children should be taught to understand and accept other people for their beliefs because let's face it, very few are going to change their minds.
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Guest: (2339 days ago)
I think they should teach my theory that there is an undiscovered whole number between 7 and 8.
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I think they should teach my theory that there is an undiscovered whole number between 7 and 8.
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London1 London1 (2339 days ago)
"We're smarter than ever!" Errrrr, no. On the balance of evidence. Definitely not!
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"We're smarter than ever!" Errrrr, no. On the balance of evidence. Definitely not!
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Guest: Donut (2338 days ago)
Indeed, you are 'Exhibit A'
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Indeed, you are 'Exhibit A'
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London1 London1 (2338 days ago)
You're a mouthy piece of cowardly sh!t.
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You're a mouthy piece of cowardly sh!t.
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EnglandRules EnglandRules (2338 days ago)
You're THICK AND SLOW... THICK AND SLOW...
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You're THICK AND SLOW... THICK AND SLOW...
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Guest: (2338 days ago)
Why do they say, it is mater of choice, science is not political option you can vote on.
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Why do they say, it is mater of choice, science is not political option you can vote on.
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Guest: Harumph (2337 days ago)
And we should listen to the reasoning of these vacuous bints for what reason exactly? Don't try and rationalise there arguments! THey are airheads!!! They are putting themselves forward in what is an out dated sexist meat market, and this is one section they have to compete in along with 'swimwear' and "I would change the world by bringing world peace" GET Real!!!! "They never taught in our scool"...hmm If you had an education, you wouldn't be doing this demeaning shit!
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And we should listen to the reasoning of these vacuous bints for what reason exactly? Don't try and rationalise there arguments! THey are airheads!!! They are putting themselves forward in what is an out dated sexist meat market, and this is one section they have to compete in along with 'swimwear' and "I would change the world by bringing world peace" GET Real!!!! "They never taught in our scool"...hmm If you had an education, you wouldn't be doing this demeaning shit!
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i hate the way all these people say there are 2 sides to the story - wrong. There is only one side, and that is evolution. All the other crap you can lump together with other religious beliefs and teach in history class
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i hate the way all these people say there are 2 sides to the story - wrong. There is only one side, and that is evolution. All the other crap you can lump together with other religious beliefs and teach in history class
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Guest: Jack (2339 days ago)
I believe laughing at creationists should be taught in schools. There are no 2 sides to this argument, there is only a scientific side and a fantasy side. Which should be taught? Why not teach the norse or greek creation myths? Or maybe Tolkiens story how middle earth was created?
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I believe laughing at creationists should be taught in schools. There are no 2 sides to this argument, there is only a scientific side and a fantasy side. Which should be taught? Why not teach the norse or greek creation myths? Or maybe Tolkiens story how middle earth was created?
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