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Creationist stumped by logic

Creationist stumped by logic

(0:38) Matt Dillahunty of the Atheist Experience plays his trump card, logic. It was part of a discussion with a caller on the question: "Why does a loving God send people to Hell?"

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Guest: Kamikaze (1854 days ago)
"Does anything happen that does not go against your God's will?" The calles wasn't thinking before answering...it is a very basic belief in Christianlity that we humans have the ability to make our own decisions...that's where the whole "original sin" came from. The Bibe is full of examples of individuals acting against God's will, so the answer to his question is obviously "No". The question still remains of why God woud allow people to make evil decisions, but that's a separate debate. His "logic" here is flawed.
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"Does anything happen that does not go against your God's will?" The calles wasn't thinking before answering...it is a very basic belief in Christianlity that we humans have the ability to make our own decisions...that's where the whole "original sin" came from. The Bibe is full of examples of individuals acting against God's will, so the answer to his question is obviously "No". The question still remains of why God woud allow people to make evil decisions, but that's a separate debate. His "logic" here is flawed.
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Guest: (1854 days ago)
You're making excuses to justify a position. The logic is perfectly sound; it's just inconvenient for followers of religion to hear.
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You're making excuses to justify a position. The logic is perfectly sound; it's just inconvenient for followers of religion to hear.
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Guest: Guest where (1853 days ago)
No, Kamikaze is right, I'm agnostic but the idea is that we all have free will. There are many things I disagree with modern religion about but this ain't a great example.
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No, Kamikaze is right, I'm agnostic but the idea is that we all have free will. There are many things I disagree with modern religion about but this ain't a great example.
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Guest: Kamikaze (1853 days ago)
I see a lot of junk logic and junk science used on both sides of the religion debate. In my experience, the morfe emphatic the debator, the shakier the logic, but also the more fiercely they cling to the "absoluteness" of their "proof".
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I see a lot of junk logic and junk science used on both sides of the religion debate. In my experience, the morfe emphatic the debator, the shakier the logic, but also the more fiercely they cling to the "absoluteness" of their "proof".
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Guest: The Pope Was A Nazi (1853 days ago)
Logic is the enemy of religion. Logic only occurs to those who think. Religion does not require you to think, only to believe.
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Logic is the enemy of religion. Logic only occurs to those who think. Religion does not require you to think, only to believe.
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Guest: Sigg3.net (1853 days ago)
Most "commoner" logics was created by Aristotle and survived thanks to the Church. This ain't logics, however. ITSATRAP! Seriously, though. You cannot ask general questions with regards to a person's personal beliefs (that is not logical but emotional).. Even I know that, and I'm an atheist. Stop bullying
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Most "commoner" logics was created by Aristotle and survived thanks to the Church. This ain't logics, however. ITSATRAP! Seriously, though. You cannot ask general questions with regards to a person's personal beliefs (that is not logical but emotional).. Even I know that, and I'm an atheist. Stop bullying
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Guest: Doe (1853 days ago)
I think the guy with the 'logic' was aiming for something akin to Milton's theodicy, which while attempting to justify God's will to man manages to disprove his existence as far as his Christian incarnation is concerned, but didn't get his own criteria quite right. Postulate put to a believer: Is God all good?, answer supposedly Yes; is God all knowing? answer supposedly Yes; is God all powerful, answer supposedly Yes; do you accept that there is evil in the world, answer supposedly Yes (all based on criteria taken as facts in many or all facets of Christianity). Corollary: if God knows about Evil and does nothing then he is not good and therefore is not God; if God knows about Evil but is unable to do anything he is not all powerful and is therefore not God; if God does nothing about Evil because he is unaware of it he is not all knowing and is therefore not God. The logic of the guy in the video would be perfectly sound if free will, including the will to go against God, were not a huge aspect of Christian beliefs. I'm an atheist and entrenched firmly in the God is a bunch of crap camp, but I think this guy would have needed a much better example if he'd been up against someone who was thinking a little more clearly.
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I think the guy with the 'logic' was aiming for something akin to Milton's theodicy, which while attempting to justify God's will to man manages to disprove his existence as far as his Christian incarnation is concerned, but didn't get his own criteria quite right. Postulate put to a believer: Is God all good?, answer supposedly Yes; is God all knowing? answer supposedly Yes; is God all powerful, answer supposedly Yes; do you accept that there is evil in the world, answer supposedly Yes (all based on criteria taken as facts in many or all facets of Christianity). Corollary: if God knows about Evil and does nothing then he is not good and therefore is not God; if God knows about Evil but is unable to do anything he is not all powerful and is therefore not God; if God does nothing about Evil because he is unaware of it he is not all knowing and is therefore not God. The logic of the guy in the video would be perfectly sound if free will, including the will to go against God, were not a huge aspect of Christian beliefs. I'm an atheist and entrenched firmly in the God is a bunch of crap camp, but I think this guy would have needed a much better example if he'd been up against someone who was thinking a little more clearly.
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glortman glortman (1851 days ago)
I think you analysis is spot on.
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I think you analysis is spot on.
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drjohn35 drjohn35 (1740 days ago)
Latest comment: Too easy.
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Latest comment: Too easy.
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