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Garth Lenz - The true cost of oil

Garth Lenz - The true cost of oil

(17:34) What does environmental devastation actually look like? Photographer Garth Lenz shares shocking photos of the Alberta Tar Sands mining project at TEDxVictoria - and pleas for everyone to fight the destruction of Canada's boreal forests by the world's largest industrial project. The true cost of losing this battle is unthinkable.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1904 days ago)
Think of it as cleaning up Canada's toxic land that contains this oil and putting that resource to good use. Wouldn't it be more dangerous keeping a toxic chemical on the surface than it is to harvest it and putting it to good use? It is only until recently that it has been cost effective to clean up that mess in Canada because the price of fuel has increased to a point to make this more profitable.
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Think of it as cleaning up Canada's toxic land that contains this oil and putting that resource to good use. Wouldn't it be more dangerous keeping a toxic chemical on the surface than it is to harvest it and putting it to good use? It is only until recently that it has been cost effective to clean up that mess in Canada because the price of fuel has increased to a point to make this more profitable.
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glortman glortman (1904 days ago)
You are completely confused about how chemistry works on this one. And possibly geology. And likely the environment too. Taking things that are below the surface of the ground, below the water table, and below healthy forest, and stripping away every plant, and dumping the waste products on the land is not cleaning up. I am not sure if your are deliberately trying to be obtuse, or if you really don't know.
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You are completely confused about how chemistry works on this one. And possibly geology. And likely the environment too. Taking things that are below the surface of the ground, below the water table, and below healthy forest, and stripping away every plant, and dumping the waste products on the land is not cleaning up. I am not sure if your are deliberately trying to be obtuse, or if you really don't know.
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1904 days ago)
And i assume you do, in which case could you elaborate ?
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And i assume you do, in which case could you elaborate ?
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1903 days ago)
And i guess he couldn't, but it didn't stop him trying to put someone down with a ad hominem attack
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And i guess he couldn't, but it didn't stop him trying to put someone down with a ad hominem attack
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cengland0 cengland0 (1903 days ago)
If you think I'm wrong, tell me why. According to The Royal Society of Canada Executive Summary on Canada's Oil Sands Industry, "There is currently no credible evidence of environmental contaminant exposures from oil sands to cause elevated human cancer cases in the local population" and the problem with the reduced buffalo population has nothing to do with the mining efforts and everything to do with the human population increase called the "boom town effect." They have been doing 30 years of water quality monitoring and there is little measurable impact on water quality for industrial developments of this scale. The current ambient air quality monitoring data shows minimal air quality impacts from oil sands. LINK So please tell me again what I had wrong with my comment and site a source for your facts. I'm pretty sure the RSC expert panel that created this executive summary is smarter than you in this field so I'll have to believe them over your unless you can show me other proof of your claims.
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If you think I'm wrong, tell me why. According to The Royal Society of Canada Executive Summary on Canada's Oil Sands Industry, "There is currently no credible evidence of environmental contaminant exposures from oil sands to cause elevated human cancer cases in the local population" and the problem with the reduced buffalo population has nothing to do with the mining efforts and everything to do with the human population increase called the "boom town effect." They have been doing 30 years of water quality monitoring and there is little measurable impact on water quality for industrial developments of this scale. The current ambient air quality monitoring data shows minimal air quality impacts from oil sands. LINK So please tell me again what I had wrong with my comment and site a source for your facts. I'm pretty sure the RSC expert panel that created this executive summary is smarter than you in this field so I'll have to believe them over your unless you can show me other proof of your claims.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1904 days ago)
Unlocking the carbon in the oil is not putting it to good use
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Unlocking the carbon in the oil is not putting it to good use
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1904 days ago)
We are going to need oil. Better to use tar sands oil and clean up the surface than from another source.
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We are going to need oil. Better to use tar sands oil and clean up the surface than from another source.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1904 days ago)
We don't need oil, we need energy. Better to move over to renewables asap.
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We don't need oil, we need energy. Better to move over to renewables asap.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1903 days ago)
We do need oil. Try to go through life without it -- bet you can't. If people didn't use oil then you wouldn't have companies investing in new ways to get it. So if everyone stopped using it, the the problem would be fixed. However, the facts are that we do use it (a.k.a., need it) so you have companies trying to profit from that need. Instead of getting mad at companies trying to make a couple bucks, get mad at yourself and your friends for using a commodity that you feel is bad for the environment. Go back to the dark ages. Stop using electricity because burning coal generates CO2. Stop eating food from the grocery store because they are shipped there by a truck. Stop using anything made from plastic. Walk everywhere you need to go. Don't wear any clothing because the cotton is harvested by machines running off oil products. Don't heat your house. Almost every heating method used, including burning wood in your fireplace, is bad for the environment. By the way, stop flushing your toilet, you're destroying our fresh water supply.
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We do need oil. Try to go through life without it -- bet you can't. If people didn't use oil then you wouldn't have companies investing in new ways to get it. So if everyone stopped using it, the the problem would be fixed. However, the facts are that we do use it (a.k.a., need it) so you have companies trying to profit from that need. Instead of getting mad at companies trying to make a couple bucks, get mad at yourself and your friends for using a commodity that you feel is bad for the environment. Go back to the dark ages. Stop using electricity because burning coal generates CO2. Stop eating food from the grocery store because they are shipped there by a truck. Stop using anything made from plastic. Walk everywhere you need to go. Don't wear any clothing because the cotton is harvested by machines running off oil products. Don't heat your house. Almost every heating method used, including burning wood in your fireplace, is bad for the environment. By the way, stop flushing your toilet, you're destroying our fresh water supply.
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1903 days ago)
Asap being about 100 years then, when we have got rid of the pr idiots and have sorted out what actually works
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Asap being about 100 years then, when we have got rid of the pr idiots and have sorted out what actually works
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1903 days ago)
The climate won't wait 100 years, maybe 10
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The climate won't wait 100 years, maybe 10
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1903 days ago)
I think the climate is bit more resilient than you think, besides the global warming theory has been effectively disproved to all but a few diehards.
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I think the climate is bit more resilient than you think, besides the global warming theory has been effectively disproved to all but a few diehards.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1903 days ago)
The climate is fine, it'll do whatever a warmer atmosphere makes it do - that is it will become more extreme, more often and warmer. It will not return to relative stability unless we do something about it. We are the ones who are not resilient. Crop failures due to more droughts, flooding and weird weather, mass migration due to sea level rise, huge economic and human costs due to extreme weather, contamination of fresh water due to pollution etc. - granted we have all this now, but it is getting increasingly worse at a scary rate. You must be blind or blinkered if you can't see what's happening around you.
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The climate is fine, it'll do whatever a warmer atmosphere makes it do - that is it will become more extreme, more often and warmer. It will not return to relative stability unless we do something about it. We are the ones who are not resilient. Crop failures due to more droughts, flooding and weird weather, mass migration due to sea level rise, huge economic and human costs due to extreme weather, contamination of fresh water due to pollution etc. - granted we have all this now, but it is getting increasingly worse at a scary rate. You must be blind or blinkered if you can't see what's happening around you.
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Guest: 4 X 4 (1903 days ago)
I dont think you will find a reference to weird weather in any real science text, I think any "climate expert" that makes references to "weird weather" is on any rational intelligent persons ignore list. its certainly on mine. My eyesight is quite good thank you, as is my ability to read and understand maths, science and history. it is obvious from the ad hominem attack that you are obviously a little bit immature,
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I dont think you will find a reference to weird weather in any real science text, I think any "climate expert" that makes references to "weird weather" is on any rational intelligent persons ignore list. its certainly on mine. My eyesight is quite good thank you, as is my ability to read and understand maths, science and history. it is obvious from the ad hominem attack that you are obviously a little bit immature,
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cengland0 cengland0 (1903 days ago)
According to a previous statement from you, the planet is going to warm up regardless if we stop using oil products or not. It's already too late according to you. So why not live the last few years of our life comfortable instead of all of us dying without at least using up some of the resources the earth has to offer? Or, is it possible that the earth is heating up due to regular cycles planets go through and it's out of our control anyway? Look at what happened to Mars. We weren't there and all the liquid water that was on the surface is now gone so it's not always the fault of humans. It was a natural condition that planets just go through.
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According to a previous statement from you, the planet is going to warm up regardless if we stop using oil products or not. It's already too late according to you. So why not live the last few years of our life comfortable instead of all of us dying without at least using up some of the resources the earth has to offer? Or, is it possible that the earth is heating up due to regular cycles planets go through and it's out of our control anyway? Look at what happened to Mars. We weren't there and all the liquid water that was on the surface is now gone so it's not always the fault of humans. It was a natural condition that planets just go through.
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Guest: rossglory (1903 days ago)
i think you need to refer back to a boreme post of richard dawkins who was talking about science. you will find it quite enlightening i think
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i think you need to refer back to a boreme post of richard dawkins who was talking about science. you will find it quite enlightening i think
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cengland0 cengland0 (1903 days ago)
Are you trying to say that I have no scientific foundation for my comments. Actually, it's all scientific. What everyone else is using is scare tactics and media hype.
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Are you trying to say that I have no scientific foundation for my comments. Actually, it's all scientific. What everyone else is using is scare tactics and media hype.
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glortman glortman (1905 days ago)
As a Canadian, I am so saddened and disgusted by this, and feel so powerless. I am frustrated by Canada's record on the environment. I try to use less oil through bicycling and public transit, but understand that even that is not enough, and that I am also part of the problem through the bananas I eat and the places I visit. I do vote against governments that unambiguously and explicitly sleep with big business, but realize even then contracts have been signed, and that our economy has become linked with this foolish and destructive project. Still, I have no idea how to fight the multi-billion dollar economic machines that are slowly f*&$ing our planet to death, but know that there is no logical argument that could ever overcome peoples' greed, or make them say 'No thanks, no more money. We would much rather eat and breathe'. Sadly, I think there is no hope.
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As a Canadian, I am so saddened and disgusted by this, and feel so powerless. I am frustrated by Canada's record on the environment. I try to use less oil through bicycling and public transit, but understand that even that is not enough, and that I am also part of the problem through the bananas I eat and the places I visit. I do vote against governments that unambiguously and explicitly sleep with big business, but realize even then contracts have been signed, and that our economy has become linked with this foolish and destructive project. Still, I have no idea how to fight the multi-billion dollar economic machines that are slowly f*&$ing our planet to death, but know that there is no logical argument that could ever overcome peoples' greed, or make them say 'No thanks, no more money. We would much rather eat and breathe'. Sadly, I think there is no hope.
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Guest: XoXo (1903 days ago)
Latest comment: I have never seen a worse presentation on this subject ever. this is a tear jerker with no facts or wrong facts. like it or not we still need this stuff (oil that is) and it is not good for our environment no matter where it comes from, lets develop other sources as we go.and lets stop the pipe dream that we can do without it but start to force industrie do use the best possible way to extract resources, all recourses. we are here so we need to make a life for all people on the planet and that will have an impact on the environment. I just can't stand this thinking that if there is no industrie or if we all are vegetarians this world will be wonderful.
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Latest comment: I have never seen a worse presentation on this subject ever. this is a tear jerker with no facts or wrong facts. like it or not we still need this stuff (oil that is) and it is not good for our environment no matter where it comes from, lets develop other sources as we go.and lets stop the pipe dream that we can do without it but start to force industrie do use the best possible way to extract resources, all recourses. we are here so we need to make a life for all people on the planet and that will have an impact on the environment. I just can't stand this thinking that if there is no industrie or if we all are vegetarians this world will be wonderful.
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