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Bill Moyers - The United States of Inequality

Bill Moyers - The United States of Inequality

(13:33) Bill Moyers's essay on the extremes of wealth and poverty across the USA.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
Oh the horror. The investors are getting richer. As stated before, anyone can buy stocks and get rich too so it's not a problem. Regarding Pfizer, Microsoft, and Citi not paying taxes, don't blame the corporations, blame our tax laws. These companies are just taking advantage of existing tax laws and, if you don't like that, call your senators and representatives and have the tax laws changed. Everyone reading this that files a tax return is probably trying to pay as little taxes as possible so why would you expect a company to do any less? Think they should volunteer to pay more than they are legally obligated to?
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Oh the horror. The investors are getting richer. As stated before, anyone can buy stocks and get rich too so it's not a problem. Regarding Pfizer, Microsoft, and Citi not paying taxes, don't blame the corporations, blame our tax laws. These companies are just taking advantage of existing tax laws and, if you don't like that, call your senators and representatives and have the tax laws changed. Everyone reading this that files a tax return is probably trying to pay as little taxes as possible so why would you expect a company to do any less? Think they should volunteer to pay more than they are legally obligated to?
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1678 days ago)
You always argue from the point of view of an individual, ie. how an individual can do best for him/herself? But for a society to function, different roles/jobs need to be filled. We can't all be bosses, we can't all be nurses, we can't all be professional rally drivers, and we can't all play the stock market. But I think the real underlying problem is that a huge wealth gap doesn't mathematically add up - you can't have a healthy economy if you erode the spending power of 99% of the population. You can't have a healthy economy based on the market for luxury yachts.
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You always argue from the point of view of an individual, ie. how an individual can do best for him/herself? But for a society to function, different roles/jobs need to be filled. We can't all be bosses, we can't all be nurses, we can't all be professional rally drivers, and we can't all play the stock market. But I think the real underlying problem is that a huge wealth gap doesn't mathematically add up - you can't have a healthy economy if you erode the spending power of 99% of the population. You can't have a healthy economy based on the market for luxury yachts.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
I discuss from the point of view of an individual because that's all there is. A corporation is run by individuals and owned by individuals. True that we all cannot be bosses but if you want to make more money then you try to get that position by working hard, learning more, and trying to be better than everyone else. If you are satisfied just working for someone else making minimum wage then so be it. Don't blame the rich for your laziness. Regarding not having a healthy economy when there is such a huge wealth gap, you're wrong on that. There has always been a huge gap and the economy is basically fine. There are occasional recessions and depressions but we usually come out of those and it's not by killing off the rich. Go back as far as history can document and you will always find a chief of a town or king that has more wealth than everyone else.
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I discuss from the point of view of an individual because that's all there is. A corporation is run by individuals and owned by individuals. True that we all cannot be bosses but if you want to make more money then you try to get that position by working hard, learning more, and trying to be better than everyone else. If you are satisfied just working for someone else making minimum wage then so be it. Don't blame the rich for your laziness. Regarding not having a healthy economy when there is such a huge wealth gap, you're wrong on that. There has always been a huge gap and the economy is basically fine. There are occasional recessions and depressions but we usually come out of those and it's not by killing off the rich. Go back as far as history can document and you will always find a chief of a town or king that has more wealth than everyone else.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1678 days ago)
If you think that the view of the individual is all there is, then I think you lack imagination. The problem is that collective individual actions can result in the destruction of that individual, as shown in this clip of ants circling until they die. LINK I see nothing wrong with a wealth gap, in fact I think it is desirable, but as with so many things it's a matter of getting the balance right. If the gap between the rich and poor becomes too big, the bottom 99% can't spend enough to fuel the economy. It is basic maths.
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If you think that the view of the individual is all there is, then I think you lack imagination. The problem is that collective individual actions can result in the destruction of that individual, as shown in this clip of ants circling until they die. LINK I see nothing wrong with a wealth gap, in fact I think it is desirable, but as with so many things it's a matter of getting the balance right. If the gap between the rich and poor becomes too big, the bottom 99% can't spend enough to fuel the economy. It is basic maths.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
The collective individuals have been proven to have better success than individuals acting alone. At one of my offices, we have performed experiments where we were given problems to figure out individually. Then, we discussed these problems as a team to come with a consensus on a correct answer. It was clear that the group came up with the correct answers 100% of the time where the individuals were wrong most of the time. Teamwork is a wonderful thing. Your ant analogy is not valid because you cannot compare them with the brain of a human that has the ability to think unlike any other animal on Earth.
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The collective individuals have been proven to have better success than individuals acting alone. At one of my offices, we have performed experiments where we were given problems to figure out individually. Then, we discussed these problems as a team to come with a consensus on a correct answer. It was clear that the group came up with the correct answers 100% of the time where the individuals were wrong most of the time. Teamwork is a wonderful thing. Your ant analogy is not valid because you cannot compare them with the brain of a human that has the ability to think unlike any other animal on Earth.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
watching and reading your posts as a usa indivdual are you happy the way in which the usa is heading???and how safe are you from ending up in a tent on the side of the road???if your company moved to a different country and you found yourself out of work how long would you last??
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watching and reading your posts as a usa indivdual are you happy the way in which the usa is heading???and how safe are you from ending up in a tent on the side of the road???if your company moved to a different country and you found yourself out of work how long would you last??
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
tornadodog, we have our share of problems in the USA but it's not a problem with the corporations and not with the rich. Do you think we should disallow all corporations and force all companies to be owned by a single person? Do you think we shouldn't have rich people and anyone that earns too much we should take their money away and give it to someone else? We have a minimum wage here and do you think we need to have a maximum wage too? Regarding my company moving to a different country, we are an international company and already employ people from other countries. Even if it was possible to lose my job to someone else, I am smart enough to not put all my eggs in one basket. I own my own businesses so I don't have to rely solely on what another company pays me. Also, I have transferrable skills that are highly sought after by other companies so I could easily find another job elsewhere. I have made myself marketable.
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tornadodog, we have our share of problems in the USA but it's not a problem with the corporations and not with the rich. Do you think we should disallow all corporations and force all companies to be owned by a single person? Do you think we shouldn't have rich people and anyone that earns too much we should take their money away and give it to someone else? We have a minimum wage here and do you think we need to have a maximum wage too? Regarding my company moving to a different country, we are an international company and already employ people from other countries. Even if it was possible to lose my job to someone else, I am smart enough to not put all my eggs in one basket. I own my own businesses so I don't have to rely solely on what another company pays me. Also, I have transferrable skills that are highly sought after by other companies so I could easily find another job elsewhere. I have made myself marketable.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
it doesnt matter if companies are owned by one or many its what the companies are doing to the usa.the usa is 16tr usd and counting in debt your gdp doesnt cover this debt you are having to force in laws to try and address this and its all because of what the 1% are doing.eg the usa company i work for had a very strong manfacturing base in the usa to save costs and make more money it moved most if not all of this overseas and this is what most large usa companies did your gdp looses out because of this not to mention the people afected by this.you say you have skills that are sought after but if these skills are no longer about in the usa because its all moved overseas you will either have to move overseas or lower your skill to find a less skilled job.you own businesses but businesses need customers to work if people cant affort to buy then you dont have a business anymore.its not about the rich or rich companies its about it all being substainable and sadly the usa uk eu are becomming unstable and i feel this is because we have all lost a large part of our manfacturing base we all appear to import and not make in house
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it doesnt matter if companies are owned by one or many its what the companies are doing to the usa.the usa is 16tr usd and counting in debt your gdp doesnt cover this debt you are having to force in laws to try and address this and its all because of what the 1% are doing.eg the usa company i work for had a very strong manfacturing base in the usa to save costs and make more money it moved most if not all of this overseas and this is what most large usa companies did your gdp looses out because of this not to mention the people afected by this.you say you have skills that are sought after but if these skills are no longer about in the usa because its all moved overseas you will either have to move overseas or lower your skill to find a less skilled job.you own businesses but businesses need customers to work if people cant affort to buy then you dont have a business anymore.its not about the rich or rich companies its about it all being substainable and sadly the usa uk eu are becomming unstable and i feel this is because we have all lost a large part of our manfacturing base we all appear to import and not make in house
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1678 days ago)
Let me rephrase: What do you think would happen to a society if the gap between the rich and poor became so big that the bottom 99% could not spend enough to fuel their economy?
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Let me rephrase: What do you think would happen to a society if the gap between the rich and poor became so big that the bottom 99% could not spend enough to fuel their economy?
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
i totally agree with your posts all great nations fail when the divide between the rich and poor becomes too great.the im all right jack view does puzzle me with the blind faith that the usa will look after me.its only time before the greed of the 1% takes down the 99%.the ants are a good example and sorry to cengland0 but i think i could see him in there going round and round totally unaware of his fate.(have you read walden two by b f skinner it would be right up your street??)
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i totally agree with your posts all great nations fail when the divide between the rich and poor becomes too great.the im all right jack view does puzzle me with the blind faith that the usa will look after me.its only time before the greed of the 1% takes down the 99%.the ants are a good example and sorry to cengland0 but i think i could see him in there going round and round totally unaware of his fate.(have you read walden two by b f skinner it would be right up your street??)
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
There is no "their economy." Both the rich and poor share the same economy. Our country has one GDP -- not one for the poor and one for the rich. Each year, there is new wealth being created and the rich will probably get the majority of it because they want more of it and try everything they can to get that money. The bottom 99% doesn't need to fuel the economy, that's what the rich does by creating jobs with their wealth.
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There is no "their economy." Both the rich and poor share the same economy. Our country has one GDP -- not one for the poor and one for the rich. Each year, there is new wealth being created and the rich will probably get the majority of it because they want more of it and try everything they can to get that money. The bottom 99% doesn't need to fuel the economy, that's what the rich does by creating jobs with their wealth.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
didnt what to multi post because its not fair on you but wow you are right the 1% does matter and the 99% dont fuel the economy but if the 1% did share its power with say 30% of the people then the usa would get itself out of dept and its gdp would go through the roof right??
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didnt what to multi post because its not fair on you but wow you are right the 1% does matter and the 99% dont fuel the economy but if the 1% did share its power with say 30% of the people then the usa would get itself out of dept and its gdp would go through the roof right??
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Knobette Knobette (1678 days ago)
cengland0, do you really have no care for other members of our species?
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cengland0, do you really have no care for other members of our species?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
I do care but I think human nature shows if people are given something for free, they wouldn't work for it. I believe people should be rewarded for hard work to encourage the hard work. I have always made exceptions for the disabled because they may not be able to perform the same as a non-disabled person.
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I do care but I think human nature shows if people are given something for free, they wouldn't work for it. I believe people should be rewarded for hard work to encourage the hard work. I have always made exceptions for the disabled because they may not be able to perform the same as a non-disabled person.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
let's say i don't like hard work but i like money. Let's also assume that i have no problem with empathy as in i am deprived of it. considering the fact that what is most important is the individual, would you agree with me when i say that i must do everything in my power to get money as easily and as fast as possible?
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let's say i don't like hard work but i like money. Let's also assume that i have no problem with empathy as in i am deprived of it. considering the fact that what is most important is the individual, would you agree with me when i say that i must do everything in my power to get money as easily and as fast as possible?
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
you are in one of two groups the 1% or unemployed and on handouts??how the f**k can that be in this world your post can put you in either box help!!!!
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you are in one of two groups the 1% or unemployed and on handouts??how the f**k can that be in this world your post can put you in either box help!!!!
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
i can't clear things out for you mister Tornado Dog until mister Cengland0 answers the question. there are more groups out there other than the 99% and the 1%.
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i can't clear things out for you mister Tornado Dog until mister Cengland0 answers the question. there are more groups out there other than the 99% and the 1%.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
never said there are not more groups out their only your post puts your example into one of them two?
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never said there are not more groups out their only your post puts your example into one of them two?
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
or so you think :) no, i am not unemployed. I actually work for one of the major Corporations of the World. And no, i am not part of the one percent, if by one percent you mean this LINK . Actually i'm not part of the 10%, 20%, 30% 40% ...
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or so you think :) no, i am not unemployed. I actually work for one of the major Corporations of the World. And no, i am not part of the one percent, if by one percent you mean this LINK . Actually i'm not part of the 10%, 20%, 30% 40% ...
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
you started you post with the words 'lets say'to me that ment that you where not talking about yourself but where giving an example.i also feel that the posts i put where not suggesting you where in any of the two groups.but because you have felt the need to reply as if i was may have caused some offence and i am sorry for that
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you started you post with the words 'lets say'to me that ment that you where not talking about yourself but where giving an example.i also feel that the posts i put where not suggesting you where in any of the two groups.but because you have felt the need to reply as if i was may have caused some offence and i am sorry for that
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
no offense taken you don't have to apologize for anything, you're on the internet . i have a thick skin... unlike some other people who stop commenting after they perceive certain comments as being rude :)
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no offense taken you don't have to apologize for anything, you're on the internet . i have a thick skin... unlike some other people who stop commenting after they perceive certain comments as being rude :)
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
glad no offence taken.but i am talking to people using the internet as a tool to do this i try and talk to them as if they where right beside me it shows respect. why would you what to talk to someone differently because they are not in the same room as you?? if you write or say something bad about someone its like a boomarang it always comes back to you so i try not too.as for you last comment i guess you mean cengland0 yes i think he has a very strange way of putting his point over but i wouldnt what to change any of it he likes a good rant and i like to rant against him.i also dont know what has gone on in the past between you two but i think you like a good rant too so it would be a shame if cengland0 cuts you out.again i apply the rule as only write what you would say if in the same room and always apologize if you feel you may have caused offence.if i write a post and cengland0 doesnt answer a point in that post it must be because he agrees with it or doesnt feel he can make a better point so i count it as a small yes moment (sorry cengland0)
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glad no offence taken.but i am talking to people using the internet as a tool to do this i try and talk to them as if they where right beside me it shows respect. why would you what to talk to someone differently because they are not in the same room as you?? if you write or say something bad about someone its like a boomarang it always comes back to you so i try not too.as for you last comment i guess you mean cengland0 yes i think he has a very strange way of putting his point over but i wouldnt what to change any of it he likes a good rant and i like to rant against him.i also dont know what has gone on in the past between you two but i think you like a good rant too so it would be a shame if cengland0 cuts you out.again i apply the rule as only write what you would say if in the same room and always apologize if you feel you may have caused offence.if i write a post and cengland0 doesnt answer a point in that post it must be because he agrees with it or doesnt feel he can make a better point so i count it as a small yes moment (sorry cengland0)
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
if my facts are right i can say them however i want to. I can be accused of rudeness or arrogance but i can't be accused of being wrong about what i have to say. And tornado dog, this is how i would talk to people in real life too. I start out being polite and i continue being polite, but when my politeness gets greeted with b u l l s h i t by my discussion partner, i stop being polite. In the real world, if you're polite all the time regardless of what the other one has to say about the topic and his tone of voice, you will be taken for a fool. You can either B i t c h out and walk away or you can "fight" for what you believe to be true. I've been following Mister cengland0 for a while now and i can tell you that his game is manipulation. I can also tell you that he gets a bit frustrated about the fact that his game isn't working on boreme as well as it does on the other sites where he regularly comments. Plus... if he doesn't answer my questions (as rude as they may be) people will start to lose interest in cengland0 because He's acting like a crybaby. I win.
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if my facts are right i can say them however i want to. I can be accused of rudeness or arrogance but i can't be accused of being wrong about what i have to say. And tornado dog, this is how i would talk to people in real life too. I start out being polite and i continue being polite, but when my politeness gets greeted with b u l l s h i t by my discussion partner, i stop being polite. In the real world, if you're polite all the time regardless of what the other one has to say about the topic and his tone of voice, you will be taken for a fool. You can either B i t c h out and walk away or you can "fight" for what you believe to be true. I've been following Mister cengland0 for a while now and i can tell you that his game is manipulation. I can also tell you that he gets a bit frustrated about the fact that his game isn't working on boreme as well as it does on the other sites where he regularly comments. Plus... if he doesn't answer my questions (as rude as they may be) people will start to lose interest in cengland0 because He's acting like a crybaby. I win.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
a man who shows respect walks in a group a man who is rude walks alone.if you are rude to someone you hurt that mans pride and he will never agree with you even if he knows you to be right.if you find that after a while you loose you cool and get rude at that point you have lost your arguement and any other arguement you may have with that person.if i am seen as a fool(no offence taken) then the only way a can go is up by showing i am not.if i am seen as rude i am already on the way down with a very small chance of showing i am not.by being a respectful fool cengland0 still is happy to rant with us he always answers my posts which i think he likes too.it looks to me as if you would like cengland0 to rant with you but bridges have been burnt.
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a man who shows respect walks in a group a man who is rude walks alone.if you are rude to someone you hurt that mans pride and he will never agree with you even if he knows you to be right.if you find that after a while you loose you cool and get rude at that point you have lost your arguement and any other arguement you may have with that person.if i am seen as a fool(no offence taken) then the only way a can go is up by showing i am not.if i am seen as rude i am already on the way down with a very small chance of showing i am not.by being a respectful fool cengland0 still is happy to rant with us he always answers my posts which i think he likes too.it looks to me as if you would like cengland0 to rant with you but bridges have been burnt.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
your teachings apply in your society, mine apply in mine. Different educations lead us to different ways of getting the point across. I have no interest in "Ranting" with chengland0, i just suspect that he's one of those Right Wing professional commentators who gets paid to leave all sorts of right wing ideological comments on multiple sites and forums. I intend to tell everyone about it. He claims that he's not talking to me because i am rude, but the truth is that he has no intention of getting owned with arguments and government approved information (as he requests), so he punked out. And i stood by and read his comments for about a year now, and all of the discussions that he started on different issues, and quite frankly i'm sick of seeing his manipulative debates instead of the authentic ones that use to be on boreme before he joined. at least SamAberdeen was funny
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your teachings apply in your society, mine apply in mine. Different educations lead us to different ways of getting the point across. I have no interest in "Ranting" with chengland0, i just suspect that he's one of those Right Wing professional commentators who gets paid to leave all sorts of right wing ideological comments on multiple sites and forums. I intend to tell everyone about it. He claims that he's not talking to me because i am rude, but the truth is that he has no intention of getting owned with arguments and government approved information (as he requests), so he punked out. And i stood by and read his comments for about a year now, and all of the discussions that he started on different issues, and quite frankly i'm sick of seeing his manipulative debates instead of the authentic ones that use to be on boreme before he joined. at least SamAberdeen was funny
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
my society is the same as yours we all live on the same ball.showing respect to fellow man needs not to be educated it is a basc rule we need to live with each other.as for your other comments if someone is unable to win an arguement or the other person has got the upper hand it is a natural response to try and discredt them in another way
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my society is the same as yours we all live on the same ball.showing respect to fellow man needs not to be educated it is a basc rule we need to live with each other.as for your other comments if someone is unable to win an arguement or the other person has got the upper hand it is a natural response to try and discredt them in another way
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
respect is earned not given, but perhaps you do it differently. I started out by giving him the benefit of the doubt but then he just went on about denying the obvious, so i called him what he is. here's what he's so upset about LINK and this is the comment that made him act like a little girl: ""the supreme court's decision overruled a ban on direct campaign spending by corporations. It's all there. 183 pages support my claims, but you just won't admit it, because sore losers can't admit defeat, and you are one. Plus you endorse the current MEGA Corrupt Electoral System in the USA. What's the point of arguing with you if you don't listen to reason?? you're like one of those new born Christians, just put your fingers in your ears and yell "I'm not hearing you" whenever you come across a truth that you don't like.""" I'm not sorry for being disrespectful to him. Liars and cowards don't get my respect. And no, Your society may be similar to mine but not the same as mine, the same way my society is not similar to one in which Sharia Law is imposed. Lies and cowardice is not the upper hand in my book of things to respect. I don't have this problem with MAD , even though we clearly disagree LINK . Did i mention that i suspect cengland0 to be one of those right wing professional commentators?
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respect is earned not given, but perhaps you do it differently. I started out by giving him the benefit of the doubt but then he just went on about denying the obvious, so i called him what he is. here's what he's so upset about LINK and this is the comment that made him act like a little girl: ""the supreme court's decision overruled a ban on direct campaign spending by corporations. It's all there. 183 pages support my claims, but you just won't admit it, because sore losers can't admit defeat, and you are one. Plus you endorse the current MEGA Corrupt Electoral System in the USA. What's the point of arguing with you if you don't listen to reason?? you're like one of those new born Christians, just put your fingers in your ears and yell "I'm not hearing you" whenever you come across a truth that you don't like.""" I'm not sorry for being disrespectful to him. Liars and cowards don't get my respect. And no, Your society may be similar to mine but not the same as mine, the same way my society is not similar to one in which Sharia Law is imposed. Lies and cowardice is not the upper hand in my book of things to respect. I don't have this problem with MAD , even though we clearly disagree LINK . Did i mention that i suspect cengland0 to be one of those right wing professional commentators?
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
what pisses me off the most is that people here are trying to talk some sense into him, but he's not interested in that. He just wants to push forward his right wing ideology, sticking up for the corporations, and for the US electoral system and what not. He's not interested in an honest debate, and i can't respect him for that. I'm not playing his game, but i see that most people on this site quite enjoy it. They'll get tired of him eventually, as they did with SamAberdeen
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what pisses me off the most is that people here are trying to talk some sense into him, but he's not interested in that. He just wants to push forward his right wing ideology, sticking up for the corporations, and for the US electoral system and what not. He's not interested in an honest debate, and i can't respect him for that. I'm not playing his game, but i see that most people on this site quite enjoy it. They'll get tired of him eventually, as they did with SamAberdeen
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
will try and answer both this post and the last one in this post.the last post got me a bit lost i was unsure if you where saying that i endorse the usa voting system and i dont listen to reason?? i live in the uk so the usa voting system doesnt bother me.but as for your posts in that i agree with you i dont know if the nwo is planned or is just happening but it would appear to becomming real so i am against anything the nwo appears to hold true.as for not listening to reason show me where i have failed to listen to reason??now for the last post you state most people try to talk sense to him but hes not interested in that.yes i fit in that box and i do this because i find his views very odd and for me thats the appeal for me at the min one day i will get bored and stop but at the min i enjoy it like you have said.i also wait for the day when he finds out that all his views get proved wrong and the way the usa is going it will be sooner then later.as the rot starts to take hold in the usa i look forward to the way he will argue his points.also a great fan of the late wiliam cooper(the hour of the time) and the global 2000 plan and the ideas of b.f skinner
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will try and answer both this post and the last one in this post.the last post got me a bit lost i was unsure if you where saying that i endorse the usa voting system and i dont listen to reason?? i live in the uk so the usa voting system doesnt bother me.but as for your posts in that i agree with you i dont know if the nwo is planned or is just happening but it would appear to becomming real so i am against anything the nwo appears to hold true.as for not listening to reason show me where i have failed to listen to reason??now for the last post you state most people try to talk sense to him but hes not interested in that.yes i fit in that box and i do this because i find his views very odd and for me thats the appeal for me at the min one day i will get bored and stop but at the min i enjoy it like you have said.i also wait for the day when he finds out that all his views get proved wrong and the way the usa is going it will be sooner then later.as the rot starts to take hold in the usa i look forward to the way he will argue his points.also a great fan of the late wiliam cooper(the hour of the time) and the global 2000 plan and the ideas of b.f skinner
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Guest: guest123456789 (1676 days ago)
well i have to mention that i mean no disrespect to you and to the honest people on this site who actually are interested in learning about problems and new ideas , and who are interested in a honest debate about these things. As for that whole NWO thing... a bit to extreme for me, but to each his own, right? Anyway, the main idea is that i have a low tolerance for trolls and i think he's one of them and i want everybody to know that, even if nobody cares; you can't say that i didn't warn you. SO yeah, i can't not be rude to him when i know for sure that his intentions are not honest: he just wants to keep the debate going and when faced with undeniable evidence, he just pretends he doesn't see it, calls me rude and decides to no longer talk to people who present him with undeniable evidence, and carries on with his game. I can't respect him for that, but i see why you and the others enjoy debating with him. I suspect that most of you here somehow fell like he needs to be educated, that responds to reason and evidence, and most of you here take the role of the parent in trying to educate him, but you forget that he's a grown man that made up his mind a long time ago about the side he's on, and on top of that he also has an agenda: keep the debate going no matter what.
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well i have to mention that i mean no disrespect to you and to the honest people on this site who actually are interested in learning about problems and new ideas , and who are interested in a honest debate about these things. As for that whole NWO thing... a bit to extreme for me, but to each his own, right? Anyway, the main idea is that i have a low tolerance for trolls and i think he's one of them and i want everybody to know that, even if nobody cares; you can't say that i didn't warn you. SO yeah, i can't not be rude to him when i know for sure that his intentions are not honest: he just wants to keep the debate going and when faced with undeniable evidence, he just pretends he doesn't see it, calls me rude and decides to no longer talk to people who present him with undeniable evidence, and carries on with his game. I can't respect him for that, but i see why you and the others enjoy debating with him. I suspect that most of you here somehow fell like he needs to be educated, that responds to reason and evidence, and most of you here take the role of the parent in trying to educate him, but you forget that he's a grown man that made up his mind a long time ago about the side he's on, and on top of that he also has an agenda: keep the debate going no matter what.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1676 days ago)
i totally understand and agree with what you are saying.but at the min i find it fun to keep putting my point over if he ever got under my skin like he has with you i would start to look for a hobby
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i totally understand and agree with what you are saying.but at the min i find it fun to keep putting my point over if he ever got under my skin like he has with you i would start to look for a hobby
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Guest: guest123456789 (1676 days ago)
i see what you're saying, but i'm not the one to back down. I liked boreme the way it was before the right wing propaganda found out about it.
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i see what you're saying, but i'm not the one to back down. I liked boreme the way it was before the right wing propaganda found out about it.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
if i wanted to "rant" with him, i'd comment with a different username.
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if i wanted to "rant" with him, i'd comment with a different username.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1677 days ago)
I cut him off because of his rude responses. I like having a good conversation with almost anyone but when it turns to name calling or the tone of the message is discourteous then it's time to give a warning. After giving two warnings, he still acted immature so I decided to ignore instead of subject myself to the harassment. It has nothing to do with our disagreement and everything to do with the tone of how it is said.
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I cut him off because of his rude responses. I like having a good conversation with almost anyone but when it turns to name calling or the tone of the message is discourteous then it's time to give a warning. After giving two warnings, he still acted immature so I decided to ignore instead of subject myself to the harassment. It has nothing to do with our disagreement and everything to do with the tone of how it is said.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
well here's the thing. I've been on a lot of forums talking with a lot of people. I have noticed that there are people out there who seem to get paid by the think tanks of the American far right to promote the following ideas: there is no global warming, the US electoral system is the best, Banks are saint and people are lazy, gays will go to hell and islam equals terrorism and we should bomb iran. Of course you can't make the case for "gays will go to hell and islam is terrorism" because you're an atheist, but you sure can make the other cases. You pretend to be polite and claim to not talk to me because i'm rude, but you do the same thing in most of your comments "don't blame the rich, blame yourself. ", "if you don't like that, call your senators and representatives and have the tax laws changed " as if everyone is stupid and lazy but you. There are other comments on other posts in which your attitude towards everyone else and the tone of how you say things, but you don't see the rest of us B I T C H about it. I haven't made up my mind about you yet: You could be one of those paid think tank trolls of the American Extreme far right or you could be just someone who bought their propaganda, i am yet to decide on that. FYI if you are one of those trolls, keep in mind that your trolling game works better when there are at least 2 trolls that play the "good cop bad cop" game. You should create another account where you pretend to be someone else all together and be the rudest one of all, and after that you should comment with your cengland0 account on the matter and pretend to be the mature mediator. But as i said, i haven't made up my mind about you yet.
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well here's the thing. I've been on a lot of forums talking with a lot of people. I have noticed that there are people out there who seem to get paid by the think tanks of the American far right to promote the following ideas: there is no global warming, the US electoral system is the best, Banks are saint and people are lazy, gays will go to hell and islam equals terrorism and we should bomb iran. Of course you can't make the case for "gays will go to hell and islam is terrorism" because you're an atheist, but you sure can make the other cases. You pretend to be polite and claim to not talk to me because i'm rude, but you do the same thing in most of your comments "don't blame the rich, blame yourself. ", "if you don't like that, call your senators and representatives and have the tax laws changed " as if everyone is stupid and lazy but you. There are other comments on other posts in which your attitude towards everyone else and the tone of how you say things, but you don't see the rest of us B I T C H about it. I haven't made up my mind about you yet: You could be one of those paid think tank trolls of the American Extreme far right or you could be just someone who bought their propaganda, i am yet to decide on that. FYI if you are one of those trolls, keep in mind that your trolling game works better when there are at least 2 trolls that play the "good cop bad cop" game. You should create another account where you pretend to be someone else all together and be the rudest one of all, and after that you should comment with your cengland0 account on the matter and pretend to be the mature mediator. But as i said, i haven't made up my mind about you yet.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
did you realy need that much bait on the hook? i bet that old fish goes no where near that hook.the only fish you will get with that much bait will be foolish ones.
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did you realy need that much bait on the hook? i bet that old fish goes no where near that hook.the only fish you will get with that much bait will be foolish ones.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
what are you talking about? do you think i'm going fishing for his comments? i'm telling him my piece of mind. he may not respond to it, but he'll read it all right.
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what are you talking about? do you think i'm going fishing for his comments? i'm telling him my piece of mind. he may not respond to it, but he'll read it all right.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
yes big time fishing. but sadly you hooked me.i just think he likes to argue i dont think he thinks like that but he knows that he will get a response if he posts like he does he has strong views but not as strong as his posts can be
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yes big time fishing. but sadly you hooked me.i just think he likes to argue i dont think he thinks like that but he knows that he will get a response if he posts like he does he has strong views but not as strong as his posts can be
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Guest: guest123456789 (1676 days ago)
cengland0 is SamAberdeen on steroids, and you guys like it :) i just liked the authentic conversations rather than his hijackings by cengland0. Whatever it is, he just makes it about "people are lazy" and "corporations are good" and all of that right wing rhetoric. He's trolling and everybody knows it and it just pisses me of because i'm tired of the right wingers on all the forums. and as i said before, these conversations use to be educational instead of just ev everybody trying to convince cengtroll that he's wrong, especially when he's not interested in that at all. His mandate is to keep the ball rolling.
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cengland0 is SamAberdeen on steroids, and you guys like it :) i just liked the authentic conversations rather than his hijackings by cengland0. Whatever it is, he just makes it about "people are lazy" and "corporations are good" and all of that right wing rhetoric. He's trolling and everybody knows it and it just pisses me of because i'm tired of the right wingers on all the forums. and as i said before, these conversations use to be educational instead of just ev everybody trying to convince cengtroll that he's wrong, especially when he's not interested in that at all. His mandate is to keep the ball rolling.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
guest123456789, don't count on me ever answering any of your questions. You are rude and I don't like chatting with you so please leave me out of your discussions. Go ahead and continue to post. Not saying that I will never respond but you should expect that the majority of what you say will get ignored by me.
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guest123456789, don't count on me ever answering any of your questions. You are rude and I don't like chatting with you so please leave me out of your discussions. Go ahead and continue to post. Not saying that I will never respond but you should expect that the majority of what you say will get ignored by me.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
i did own you in our previous discussions and i understand that you don't like to respond to me because of that, under the pretext of me being rude. I would suggest growing up and dealing with it. Better arguments from your side would help the point that you are trying to make.
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i did own you in our previous discussions and i understand that you don't like to respond to me because of that, under the pretext of me being rude. I would suggest growing up and dealing with it. Better arguments from your side would help the point that you are trying to make.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1677 days ago)
"The bottom 99% doesn't need to fuel the economy…" Really? If 99% of the population don't have money to spend, how does the 1% make its money?
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"The bottom 99% doesn't need to fuel the economy…" Really? If 99% of the population don't have money to spend, how does the 1% make its money?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1677 days ago)
The 1% makes their money from everyone but the majority of their income comes from wealthier people.
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The 1% makes their money from everyone but the majority of their income comes from wealthier people.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1677 days ago)
Actually, thinking about your answer, I just realised you made my case. Look at it this way - for a healthy economy, some form of growth is needed. If we continue growing the gap between rich and poor to its ultimate conclusion, we would have a world where one person, probably a man, owns 100% of the wealth - certainly not a healthy economy. Therefore, the bigger the gap between rich and poor, the nearer we come to that nightmare scenario of one person controlling everything. We already have the top 300 richest owning the same wealth as the bottom 3 billion! Corporatism is increasing the gap between rich and poor. We need to evolve a system that reduces the gap - like maybe jailing a few corporate leaders, and reducing bonuses, so that we get a different breed of leaders come up from the ranks.
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Actually, thinking about your answer, I just realised you made my case. Look at it this way - for a healthy economy, some form of growth is needed. If we continue growing the gap between rich and poor to its ultimate conclusion, we would have a world where one person, probably a man, owns 100% of the wealth - certainly not a healthy economy. Therefore, the bigger the gap between rich and poor, the nearer we come to that nightmare scenario of one person controlling everything. We already have the top 300 richest owning the same wealth as the bottom 3 billion! Corporatism is increasing the gap between rich and poor. We need to evolve a system that reduces the gap - like maybe jailing a few corporate leaders, and reducing bonuses, so that we get a different breed of leaders come up from the ranks.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1677 days ago)
A healthy economy comes when people spend money instead of saving it. If you are worried that the economy is going bad, you may tend to save your money and that stops trickling down so it causes a domino effect where saving does cause the economy to go bad. So if the rich and poor both spent their money, we would have a great economy. Jailing corporate leaders is a good idea if those corporate leaders broke the law. If they are running a business where one of the employees of the company broke the law, the crime should not transfer to the executives. If one of my employees stole a computer from the office, why should I go to jail for it? Corporations are very important for the economy. If they stop earning money, they can go out of business and thousands of people can lose their jobs. The investors in the business will lose their capital and dividends and will not have any money to stimulate the economy. I'm still not sure what you think the answer is so I'd like you to spell it out clearly what you think we should do. Outlaw corporations and require that all companies be owned by a single individual and nobody is allowed to invest in those companies other than the original owner?
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A healthy economy comes when people spend money instead of saving it. If you are worried that the economy is going bad, you may tend to save your money and that stops trickling down so it causes a domino effect where saving does cause the economy to go bad. So if the rich and poor both spent their money, we would have a great economy. Jailing corporate leaders is a good idea if those corporate leaders broke the law. If they are running a business where one of the employees of the company broke the law, the crime should not transfer to the executives. If one of my employees stole a computer from the office, why should I go to jail for it? Corporations are very important for the economy. If they stop earning money, they can go out of business and thousands of people can lose their jobs. The investors in the business will lose their capital and dividends and will not have any money to stimulate the economy. I'm still not sure what you think the answer is so I'd like you to spell it out clearly what you think we should do. Outlaw corporations and require that all companies be owned by a single individual and nobody is allowed to invest in those companies other than the original owner?
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1677 days ago)
I'm not sure what the answers are, but this is what I see. There are huge issues looming with no easy answers - climate change, population, demographic, resources, water, nuclear weapons etc. I think we are going in the wrong direction. A world run by corporations can only lead to doom and gloom for everyone - for reasons we have already discussed. Corporate culture says: "the point of a business is to make a profit". If instead it said: "the point of a business is to provide a great product or service that benefits society in some way, and that profit is the side-effect of this", then that would make for a much better foundation. So in the real world, when corporations put profit before everything else, it makes sense to break the law if the fine will be less than your gain, or to buy your competitor rather than compete, or to pollute rather than refine your product… etc. Corporations that put product and people first would focus on improving their product because that is how profits are made. That is basically how capitalism is supposed to work. What we have now is capitalism without the rules, better known as corporatism. Capitalism is like a galloping horse - let the reins loose and the horse goes crazy and throws us off, pull in the reins too tight and the horse stops. The trick is to pull the reins in the right amount so we can steer through an uncertain future. The reins should be controlled by the people - that is the point of government. But the reins are held by corporate leaders who just want to gallop faster and faster. True, when government holds the reins it tends to pull in too tight, but that's not the problem right now.
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I'm not sure what the answers are, but this is what I see. There are huge issues looming with no easy answers - climate change, population, demographic, resources, water, nuclear weapons etc. I think we are going in the wrong direction. A world run by corporations can only lead to doom and gloom for everyone - for reasons we have already discussed. Corporate culture says: "the point of a business is to make a profit". If instead it said: "the point of a business is to provide a great product or service that benefits society in some way, and that profit is the side-effect of this", then that would make for a much better foundation. So in the real world, when corporations put profit before everything else, it makes sense to break the law if the fine will be less than your gain, or to buy your competitor rather than compete, or to pollute rather than refine your product… etc. Corporations that put product and people first would focus on improving their product because that is how profits are made. That is basically how capitalism is supposed to work. What we have now is capitalism without the rules, better known as corporatism. Capitalism is like a galloping horse - let the reins loose and the horse goes crazy and throws us off, pull in the reins too tight and the horse stops. The trick is to pull the reins in the right amount so we can steer through an uncertain future. The reins should be controlled by the people - that is the point of government. But the reins are held by corporate leaders who just want to gallop faster and faster. True, when government holds the reins it tends to pull in too tight, but that's not the problem right now.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
most cities and corparations have grown to large to be controlled or changed by any group or government because the problems are to large and out of control.we need to move to a more substainable way of life in the next 10yrs max.one idea was first put about in the 1940,s which was we should live in communities of 1000 max be self substained as much as poss and all the skills needed should be within that community people should be paided by the value to the community eg bankers would be paid less then the people who clean the sewers unless there is a shortage of bankers and the job value would change with shortage and need. all members of the community would be expected to help at all levels for the good of the group eg the bankers would be expected to do manual labour.all jobs should be automated as much as possible to give people more time help the group eg looking after the old/young in the group plus inventing new ideas for the good of the group there would be very little waste as the group couldnt affort to be wasteful and the use of solar and wind power would be used. this is just a short part of the idea but all other problems are addressed in this 1940.s idea
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most cities and corparations have grown to large to be controlled or changed by any group or government because the problems are to large and out of control.we need to move to a more substainable way of life in the next 10yrs max.one idea was first put about in the 1940,s which was we should live in communities of 1000 max be self substained as much as poss and all the skills needed should be within that community people should be paided by the value to the community eg bankers would be paid less then the people who clean the sewers unless there is a shortage of bankers and the job value would change with shortage and need. all members of the community would be expected to help at all levels for the good of the group eg the bankers would be expected to do manual labour.all jobs should be automated as much as possible to give people more time help the group eg looking after the old/young in the group plus inventing new ideas for the good of the group there would be very little waste as the group couldnt affort to be wasteful and the use of solar and wind power would be used. this is just a short part of the idea but all other problems are addressed in this 1940.s idea
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1676 days ago)
I agree that we need to move to a more sustainable way of life in the next 10 years, but any new system has to evolve from what we have now. And that's the big problem - we can't teleport into a new society, we have to start from where we are, and time is so short, dictated by climate change. I'd say the first thing to do is to change funding and lobbying of political parties, the aim to remove corporate influence in government so that government can act on behalf of the people, like how a democracy should be. I can't see anything changing as long as corporations run governments.
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I agree that we need to move to a more sustainable way of life in the next 10 years, but any new system has to evolve from what we have now. And that's the big problem - we can't teleport into a new society, we have to start from where we are, and time is so short, dictated by climate change. I'd say the first thing to do is to change funding and lobbying of political parties, the aim to remove corporate influence in government so that government can act on behalf of the people, like how a democracy should be. I can't see anything changing as long as corporations run governments.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1676 days ago)
any new system is impossible to evolve from what we have now.people are to use to things being given to them and i mean food petrol heating lighting that they will keep on taking it.but as this planet starts to change/run out it will be to late.if you go to any fast food place the amount of waste in packaging is madness.people have to change corporations/governments only give the people what they what and thats the problem.we have to start from a new begining and miss out the mistakes from our past.if we dont then we will end up living like we did in the past.
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any new system is impossible to evolve from what we have now.people are to use to things being given to them and i mean food petrol heating lighting that they will keep on taking it.but as this planet starts to change/run out it will be to late.if you go to any fast food place the amount of waste in packaging is madness.people have to change corporations/governments only give the people what they what and thats the problem.we have to start from a new begining and miss out the mistakes from our past.if we dont then we will end up living like we did in the past.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1677 days ago)
That answer is way too vague for me to even comment on
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That answer is way too vague for me to even comment on
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
energy, retail and financial services. that's where the money is. everyone needs energy and everyone needs retail and everyone needs financial services. You could argue that when it comes to financial services, the majority of the money comes from wealthier people but that doesn't apply to energy and retail. walmart, exon shell etc. Debt Slave is the key phrase.
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energy, retail and financial services. that's where the money is. everyone needs energy and everyone needs retail and everyone needs financial services. You could argue that when it comes to financial services, the majority of the money comes from wealthier people but that doesn't apply to energy and retail. walmart, exon shell etc. Debt Slave is the key phrase.
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Blong Blong (1678 days ago)
I quite like the ant analogy. Just because we have the ability to understand what's going on, doesn't mean we'll take it onboard.
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I quite like the ant analogy. Just because we have the ability to understand what's going on, doesn't mean we'll take it onboard.
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Guest: Flopsum (1678 days ago)
You must have missed his first comment about being so high up the ladder that you can't even see inequality. Not anyone can buy stocks. Sure they may in theory purchase some but the poorest don't even know what stocks are. The gap is undeniably ever-widening and damaging the lives of the people trapped in its cycle.
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You must have missed his first comment about being so high up the ladder that you can't even see inequality. Not anyone can buy stocks. Sure they may in theory purchase some but the poorest don't even know what stocks are. The gap is undeniably ever-widening and damaging the lives of the people trapped in its cycle.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
If the poorest people don't know what stocks are, the rich should not be blamed for that issue. Education is provided free of charge, up to 12th grade, and I'm certain by the time you graduate from High School you would know what stocks are. If you haven't learned in those 13 years (K -12), then don't blame the rich, blame yourself.
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If the poorest people don't know what stocks are, the rich should not be blamed for that issue. Education is provided free of charge, up to 12th grade, and I'm certain by the time you graduate from High School you would know what stocks are. If you haven't learned in those 13 years (K -12), then don't blame the rich, blame yourself.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
you're in the banking industry, right? have you seen this piece of socialist propaganda yet LINK ? well?
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you're in the banking industry, right? have you seen this piece of socialist propaganda yet LINK ? well?
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
how come you chose to comment on this post that features Bull Moyers and not on this other post LINK that was posted on Boreme on the same day? i think this other post is worth your attention. You will surely debunk this socialist rhetoric right away, right?
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how come you chose to comment on this post that features Bull Moyers and not on this other post LINK that was posted on Boreme on the same day? i think this other post is worth your attention. You will surely debunk this socialist rhetoric right away, right?
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Guest: Ted Tadley (1482 days ago)
What an intellectually lazy rationalization. "Call your representatives?" in a post-Citizens United America? If "Money = Speech," then how is this really even a democracy? The Oligarchy has all the money, and they use it to buy the political system, which they then use to rewrite the rules so they get even more money. Further, when the investor class makes additional profit (the basis of profit is to rob workers of the value their labor added to a good or service) from outsourcing jobs or eliminating jobs, the income moves from an earned income tax bracket into an investment bracket. It only makes sense that in a system where money is funneled to the top that the tax rates at the top are higher as a means of counteracting the transition of money from income to investments. So yes, they should be paying more, and no, people cannot change the government policies. On almost every issue, the Gov't policy is counter to popular opinion. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your naive conception of the U.S. government....
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What an intellectually lazy rationalization. "Call your representatives?" in a post-Citizens United America? If "Money = Speech," then how is this really even a democracy? The Oligarchy has all the money, and they use it to buy the political system, which they then use to rewrite the rules so they get even more money. Further, when the investor class makes additional profit (the basis of profit is to rob workers of the value their labor added to a good or service) from outsourcing jobs or eliminating jobs, the income moves from an earned income tax bracket into an investment bracket. It only makes sense that in a system where money is funneled to the top that the tax rates at the top are higher as a means of counteracting the transition of money from income to investments. So yes, they should be paying more, and no, people cannot change the government policies. On almost every issue, the Gov't policy is counter to popular opinion. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by your naive conception of the U.S. government....
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1482 days ago)
Did cengland0 say America was a democracy? As for as I know, it's a representative republic and always has been. This means the people do not have a direct vote on all the issues. They elect representatives to make those votes for them. The rest of what you're saying is just words coming out of your ass.
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Did cengland0 say America was a democracy? As for as I know, it's a representative republic and always has been. This means the people do not have a direct vote on all the issues. They elect representatives to make those votes for them. The rest of what you're saying is just words coming out of your ass.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1482 days ago)
Latest comment: Ha. It makes me laugh when people think we are a democracy. You are right, it is a representative republic. Certainly shows how people don't understand the very basics of our political system.
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Latest comment: Ha. It makes me laugh when people think we are a democracy. You are right, it is a representative republic. Certainly shows how people don't understand the very basics of our political system.
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Guest: Old Rusyn (1678 days ago)
cenglando I would be interested in knowing your background and upbringing.All people are created equal but only in the eyes of God. Did your success in life come on your own?
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cenglando I would be interested in knowing your background and upbringing.All people are created equal but only in the eyes of God. Did your success in life come on your own?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1678 days ago)
Yes, my success came on my own. My parents struggled to make ends meet with one income and 3 kids so they never gave me anything except bare essentials while growing up. I bought my own house and car with the money that I earned myself. I do not believe you are stuck in the economic status you were raised in. I was the first person in my family to ever go to college. I earn more than any member of my family. Some of my siblings have decided to get married and have children instead of working on their career but I have always focused on my career as my highest priority. My parents offered to pay for my advanced college tuition but I refused to let them. I worked part-time (35 hours) while attending college and used my own money to pay for my education. I also paid my parents $375 a month (keep in mind this is the 80's) to rent a single room in their house until I was able to afford a down payment to buy my first home. I started as a part-time sales person and worked my way to store manager, then senior manager. I changed careers in 1990 to go into the financial industry. Started as a customer service representative talking with customers all day over the phone. Since that change, all the jobs I've had since were not applied for but were recruited instead. The correspondence department needed skilled writers so I was transferred there. Then the training organization needed someone with my skills in their department so I went there. I kept getting more and more promotions without applying for them. I eventually worked my way up to a senior manager again where I had managers working for me. Again, without applying, I had another promotion that made my job national instead of just local. That required 20% travel and I refused to take that position. Unfortunately that left me without a job because I failed to make it clear in the beginning that I refuse to travel so a recruiter from a competing financial institution sought me out and offered me a job -- again without applying for it. Although the salary was about the same, I started at a lower level "officer" position. 12 years later, I'm still with this company and have advanced to a level where I do not want to move up any more. The extra responsibilities would require me to travel and/or move to our headquarters and I refuse to do any of those so I will have to be satisfied topping out at this level. If I missed a detail that you wanted to know, please tell me what that is and I can go into further detail.
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Yes, my success came on my own. My parents struggled to make ends meet with one income and 3 kids so they never gave me anything except bare essentials while growing up. I bought my own house and car with the money that I earned myself. I do not believe you are stuck in the economic status you were raised in. I was the first person in my family to ever go to college. I earn more than any member of my family. Some of my siblings have decided to get married and have children instead of working on their career but I have always focused on my career as my highest priority. My parents offered to pay for my advanced college tuition but I refused to let them. I worked part-time (35 hours) while attending college and used my own money to pay for my education. I also paid my parents $375 a month (keep in mind this is the 80's) to rent a single room in their house until I was able to afford a down payment to buy my first home. I started as a part-time sales person and worked my way to store manager, then senior manager. I changed careers in 1990 to go into the financial industry. Started as a customer service representative talking with customers all day over the phone. Since that change, all the jobs I've had since were not applied for but were recruited instead. The correspondence department needed skilled writers so I was transferred there. Then the training organization needed someone with my skills in their department so I went there. I kept getting more and more promotions without applying for them. I eventually worked my way up to a senior manager again where I had managers working for me. Again, without applying, I had another promotion that made my job national instead of just local. That required 20% travel and I refused to take that position. Unfortunately that left me without a job because I failed to make it clear in the beginning that I refuse to travel so a recruiter from a competing financial institution sought me out and offered me a job -- again without applying for it. Although the salary was about the same, I started at a lower level "officer" position. 12 years later, I'm still with this company and have advanced to a level where I do not want to move up any more. The extra responsibilities would require me to travel and/or move to our headquarters and I refuse to do any of those so I will have to be satisfied topping out at this level. If I missed a detail that you wanted to know, please tell me what that is and I can go into further detail.
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
nice resume. Of course, let's remember what Abraham Lincoln said about resumes on the internet: it's hard to verify their authenticity. But i will give you the benefit of the doubt. Nice work.
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nice resume. Of course, let's remember what Abraham Lincoln said about resumes on the internet: it's hard to verify their authenticity. But i will give you the benefit of the doubt. Nice work.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
i think i see a floor in your lincoln example!
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i think i see a floor in your lincoln example!
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Guest: guest123456789 (1678 days ago)
i have a hard time understanding what you mean by that. :)
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i have a hard time understanding what you mean by that. :)
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tornadodog tornadodog (1678 days ago)
it was a lol post no more than that.lincoln sitting with his large hat on with his laptop on looking things up on the internet made me smile
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it was a lol post no more than that.lincoln sitting with his large hat on with his laptop on looking things up on the internet made me smile
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Guest: (1677 days ago)
Usury is an abomination to God. Bear that in mind.
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Usury is an abomination to God. Bear that in mind.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1677 days ago)
The two main "usury" words in the Old Testament: NASHAH means "extortioner"; and NASHAK which means "to oppress with interest". Neither are being done here. Usury laws are already in place that set maximum interest rates allowed to be charged to prevent extortion and oppression. Each state is responsible for setting their own legal rates LINK Now, regarding the main point of this being an abomination to God. That's impossible since God does not exist. You cannot prove he exists so your comment does not matter. Nothing in the old testament will hold up in court unless there is a corresponding law created by men.
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The two main "usury" words in the Old Testament: NASHAH means "extortioner"; and NASHAK which means "to oppress with interest". Neither are being done here. Usury laws are already in place that set maximum interest rates allowed to be charged to prevent extortion and oppression. Each state is responsible for setting their own legal rates LINK Now, regarding the main point of this being an abomination to God. That's impossible since God does not exist. You cannot prove he exists so your comment does not matter. Nothing in the old testament will hold up in court unless there is a corresponding law created by men.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
but you cant prove that god doesnt exist so its a pointless point that has been made?? if i think in my mind of a pink pig with wings then it now exists if only in my mind and by reading this it now exists again in your mind so my pink pig with wings now exists so i have now proved a pink pig with wings exists. p.s he also did a book
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but you cant prove that god doesnt exist so its a pointless point that has been made?? if i think in my mind of a pink pig with wings then it now exists if only in my mind and by reading this it now exists again in your mind so my pink pig with wings now exists so i have now proved a pink pig with wings exists. p.s he also did a book
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cengland0 cengland0 (1677 days ago)
We do not need to prove god doesn't exist. If you make an extraordinary claim, that requires extraordinary proof. If you claim a god exists, that's extraordinary. If I made a claim that I was abducted by aliens, taken to another planet, and then returned, you couldn't prove that didn't happen either. It's also an extraordinary claim and would require extraordinary proof. The burden of proof is not on the person being told the story but the person making up the story.
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We do not need to prove god doesn't exist. If you make an extraordinary claim, that requires extraordinary proof. If you claim a god exists, that's extraordinary. If I made a claim that I was abducted by aliens, taken to another planet, and then returned, you couldn't prove that didn't happen either. It's also an extraordinary claim and would require extraordinary proof. The burden of proof is not on the person being told the story but the person making up the story.
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tornadodog tornadodog (1677 days ago)
what about my pink pig with wings does he exist??(sorry cengland0 just wanted to know if i was right) to me if someone or group makes a claim they should try to prove it if another group claims them to be wrong the they have to show proof of that.eg may yrs ago people said the world was flat and may people believed this to be correct but some people said no the world was round as no one could give proof at that time so both sides argued the point and we would still be arguing today if it wasnt the fact that the proof the world was round came out.so both sides of any view point must have proof to win there point.as for if i believe in god the answer is as with aliens the book for me is still open until proven
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what about my pink pig with wings does he exist??(sorry cengland0 just wanted to know if i was right) to me if someone or group makes a claim they should try to prove it if another group claims them to be wrong the they have to show proof of that.eg may yrs ago people said the world was flat and may people believed this to be correct but some people said no the world was round as no one could give proof at that time so both sides argued the point and we would still be arguing today if it wasnt the fact that the proof the world was round came out.so both sides of any view point must have proof to win there point.as for if i believe in god the answer is as with aliens the book for me is still open until proven
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
the christian is talking about "Fractional reserve banking" LINK mister chengland0, he just can't express his thoughts in a way in which most atheists will understand him, but you're in the banking business, stop pretending as if you don't know what he's talking about. Here yo go mister christian LINK a playlist from the khanacademy about banking and money. And mister chengland0, according to this LINK Usury was used by the banks to "oppress with interest".
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the christian is talking about "Fractional reserve banking" LINK mister chengland0, he just can't express his thoughts in a way in which most atheists will understand him, but you're in the banking business, stop pretending as if you don't know what he's talking about. Here yo go mister christian LINK a playlist from the khanacademy about banking and money. And mister chengland0, according to this LINK Usury was used by the banks to "oppress with interest".
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Guest: guest123456789 (1677 days ago)
christian arguments don't do well on Atheists sites like Boreme, but i see what you're saying.
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christian arguments don't do well on Atheists sites like Boreme, but i see what you're saying.
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