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The Ghost of Congress Future

The Ghost of Congress Future

(1:39) He must be dreaming. American TV journalist Bob Schieffer goes on a flying tour of Capitol Hill with the Ghost of Congress Future.

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Guest: this is SPARTA (1498 days ago)
cengland0 is one naive commentator. Politicians are altruistic, servants of the people who do their job as a labour of love. LOL
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cengland0 is one naive commentator. Politicians are altruistic, servants of the people who do their job as a labour of love. LOL
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cengland0 cengland0 (1498 days ago)
Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Our politicians are voted into office by the citizens. I'm sure the candidate doesn't advertise they are doing it for the money but are doing it to help the country or the state or even the city they come from. If they did, they wouldn't be elected. I doubt you'll get many politician to agree it's for the money. In fact, many of them are already wealthy before entering into politics so it's obvious to me there are other reasons besides wealth. If it was all about the money, the candidate could have become a physician, CEO, or lawyer instead. Many of them are lawyers anyway but have set their business aside to be a politician.
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Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Our politicians are voted into office by the citizens. I'm sure the candidate doesn't advertise they are doing it for the money but are doing it to help the country or the state or even the city they come from. If they did, they wouldn't be elected. I doubt you'll get many politician to agree it's for the money. In fact, many of them are already wealthy before entering into politics so it's obvious to me there are other reasons besides wealth. If it was all about the money, the candidate could have become a physician, CEO, or lawyer instead. Many of them are lawyers anyway but have set their business aside to be a politician.
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Guest: this is ATHENS (1498 days ago)
some people live in a dreamworld, filled with fairies and unicorns, where there's always a rainbow in the sky and it rains skittles cough*ceng*cough*cough*la nd0*cough*. Please don't wake me up mommy, i don't want the dream to be over!
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some people live in a dreamworld, filled with fairies and unicorns, where there's always a rainbow in the sky and it rains skittles cough*ceng*cough*cough*la nd0*cough*. Please don't wake me up mommy, i don't want the dream to be over!
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Guest: Carl Sandburg (1496 days ago)
Nothing happens unless first a dream
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Nothing happens unless first a dream
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Guest: this is ATHENS (1495 days ago)
you must have forgotten about plagues, volcano eruptions, earthquakes, supernova explosions, etc etc. I bet you thought you were smart, huh?
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you must have forgotten about plagues, volcano eruptions, earthquakes, supernova explosions, etc etc. I bet you thought you were smart, huh?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1498 days ago)
Most members of congress get paid $174,000. LINK That is not a lot of money when you consider mid-level executive pay in most large companies. Obviously these people are not doing this for the money because, if they were, they would use their time and effort getting a higher paid job. Why would someone subject themselves to public scrutiny for as little as $174K when you can easily get $20 million (plus a percentage of the profits) for being an actor in the Hunger Games 2?
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Most members of congress get paid $174,000. LINK That is not a lot of money when you consider mid-level executive pay in most large companies. Obviously these people are not doing this for the money because, if they were, they would use their time and effort getting a higher paid job. Why would someone subject themselves to public scrutiny for as little as $174K when you can easily get $20 million (plus a percentage of the profits) for being an actor in the Hunger Games 2?
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Oh they get a lot more than that in bribes, campaign contributions, board membership for various companies... becoming a member of congress is a gold mine because of all the side benefits it generates.. even if you aren't already a millionaire by the time you are elected, you certainly will be many times over by the time you leave.
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Oh they get a lot more than that in bribes, campaign contributions, board membership for various companies... becoming a member of congress is a gold mine because of all the side benefits it generates.. even if you aren't already a millionaire by the time you are elected, you certainly will be many times over by the time you leave.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1498 days ago)
I knew some idiot would probably say that. You could say that about teachers too. How many students bribe the teachers for better grades? You cannot prove either. Regarding the campaign contributions, that's not considered personal income and they cannot just spend it on their home mortgage or personal cars. Regarding making millions after they leave congress, that's just a myth. Show me a government link that shows they make millions when they leave and then I might believe you but, until then, I'll just know that they stop receiving all funds after they leave unless they retire. If they retire, they get approximately 40,000 per year -- not millions like you stated.
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I knew some idiot would probably say that. You could say that about teachers too. How many students bribe the teachers for better grades? You cannot prove either. Regarding the campaign contributions, that's not considered personal income and they cannot just spend it on their home mortgage or personal cars. Regarding making millions after they leave congress, that's just a myth. Show me a government link that shows they make millions when they leave and then I might believe you but, until then, I'll just know that they stop receiving all funds after they leave unless they retire. If they retire, they get approximately 40,000 per year -- not millions like you stated.
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glortman glortman (1497 days ago)
cengland0, I know you are trying for hyperbole on your teacher comment, but it is ridiculous. Students wanting better grades might have $50. Corporations wanting looser emissions control laws, or needing a lucrative government contract could offer millions. Equally, Transparency International ranks USA with a Corruption Index of 73/100, with bribery of government officials being one of their principal areas of concern. Teachers are not even mentioned in the scoring.
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cengland0, I know you are trying for hyperbole on your teacher comment, but it is ridiculous. Students wanting better grades might have $50. Corporations wanting looser emissions control laws, or needing a lucrative government contract could offer millions. Equally, Transparency International ranks USA with a Corruption Index of 73/100, with bribery of government officials being one of their principal areas of concern. Teachers are not even mentioned in the scoring.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1497 days ago)
That was just one example. Why not become a judge or police officer because you can get huge bribes that way too. Very few, if any, congressmen attempt to get that job so they can accept bribes and anyone that thinks they do is a little paranoid or crazy. If you or anyone else has any proof of any congressman accepting a bribe, they should present us with that proof so we can deal with it through legal means. Unless there's proof that it's happening to current politicians, then you have to assume very little of it is occurring. How many recent arrests have there been due to bribes of congressmen? A quick google search didn't reveal any.
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That was just one example. Why not become a judge or police officer because you can get huge bribes that way too. Very few, if any, congressmen attempt to get that job so they can accept bribes and anyone that thinks they do is a little paranoid or crazy. If you or anyone else has any proof of any congressman accepting a bribe, they should present us with that proof so we can deal with it through legal means. Unless there's proof that it's happening to current politicians, then you have to assume very little of it is occurring. How many recent arrests have there been due to bribes of congressmen? A quick google search didn't reveal any.
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glortman glortman (1497 days ago)
I would not suggest that people become politicians because they wish to receive bribes, not would I suggest that most politicians entered the job for the pay. I think that most politicians believe in service at the beginnings of their career. I believe that the strictures of power and the corporate culture of the United States mitigates against honest, transparency and adherence to principle at higher levels of government. I would also say that your example of 'judges' and 'policemen' is poor. People who have authority and power are more likely to be compromised than those without. Police misconduct in the US is 1/116 officers, with 10% of the offences being fraud/theft related (CATO institute). While it represents only one out of every thousand officers, I can find no stats on teachers. Further, your inability to find wrong-doing among American politicians is surprising... you are normally a very good researcher. Here is a very well-referenced start: LINK
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I would not suggest that people become politicians because they wish to receive bribes, not would I suggest that most politicians entered the job for the pay. I think that most politicians believe in service at the beginnings of their career. I believe that the strictures of power and the corporate culture of the United States mitigates against honest, transparency and adherence to principle at higher levels of government. I would also say that your example of 'judges' and 'policemen' is poor. People who have authority and power are more likely to be compromised than those without. Police misconduct in the US is 1/116 officers, with 10% of the offences being fraud/theft related (CATO institute). While it represents only one out of every thousand officers, I can find no stats on teachers. Further, your inability to find wrong-doing among American politicians is surprising... you are normally a very good researcher. Here is a very well-referenced start: LINK
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cengland0 cengland0 (1497 days ago)
Interesting find but I don't consider Wikipedia to be a good reference for anything. That ridiculous page shows people arrested for drunk driving and misdemeanors of placing personal long distance phone calls. Anyway, here are the ones regarding bribes that are listed on that page: State Representative Terry Spicer (D) pled guilty to accepting more than $3000 per month in bribes. (2011), State Representative Derrick Smith (D) was arrested for accepting a $7000 bribe. (2012) (note arrested but not convicted). State Senator John A. D’Arco Jr. (D) served about 3 years in prison for bribery and extortion (1995), State Representative Nicholas Mavroules (D) pleaded guilty to bribery charges, Texas State Representative John Dowdy (D) was convicted on eight counts for accepting a $25,000 bribe.(1972). The data goes back to 1910 so that's 103 years and in that time there are only 5 instances. How many thousands of senators and representatives have there been in that time? Seems like an acceptable number to me. Besides, those bribe amounts are extremely small from $3000 to $25,000 and not the millions that people have assumed happens. You'll find more teachers convicted of sex crimes with their students than this. In fact, here's one site with a list of just the female teachers (which is more unusual). LINK
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Interesting find but I don't consider Wikipedia to be a good reference for anything. That ridiculous page shows people arrested for drunk driving and misdemeanors of placing personal long distance phone calls. Anyway, here are the ones regarding bribes that are listed on that page: State Representative Terry Spicer (D) pled guilty to accepting more than $3000 per month in bribes. (2011), State Representative Derrick Smith (D) was arrested for accepting a $7000 bribe. (2012) (note arrested but not convicted). State Senator John A. D’Arco Jr. (D) served about 3 years in prison for bribery and extortion (1995), State Representative Nicholas Mavroules (D) pleaded guilty to bribery charges, Texas State Representative John Dowdy (D) was convicted on eight counts for accepting a $25,000 bribe.(1972). The data goes back to 1910 so that's 103 years and in that time there are only 5 instances. How many thousands of senators and representatives have there been in that time? Seems like an acceptable number to me. Besides, those bribe amounts are extremely small from $3000 to $25,000 and not the millions that people have assumed happens. You'll find more teachers convicted of sex crimes with their students than this. In fact, here's one site with a list of just the female teachers (which is more unusual). LINK
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1496 days ago)
You argue like a teabag, tactically introducing teachers, sex and students, with bonus link. Also, I'm impressed that you think a $25,000 bribe is extremely small.
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You argue like a teabag, tactically introducing teachers, sex and students, with bonus link. Also, I'm impressed that you think a $25,000 bribe is extremely small.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1495 days ago)
Yes the $25,000 is a small number considering the guest said that they get millions by the time they leave making it seem like accepting bribes was the primary reason people get into congress. Bankers cannot accept the smallest of gifts and we cannot give any federal employee anything at all. So an example is if we asked a police officer to give a speech at our building to talk about safety, we cannot offer the nice policeman a cup of coffee.
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Yes the $25,000 is a small number considering the guest said that they get millions by the time they leave making it seem like accepting bribes was the primary reason people get into congress. Bankers cannot accept the smallest of gifts and we cannot give any federal employee anything at all. So an example is if we asked a police officer to give a speech at our building to talk about safety, we cannot offer the nice policeman a cup of coffee.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1496 days ago)
On the face of it, 5 serious corruption convictions, 103 years, and many thousands of politicians, would suggest that corruption in US politics is low. Actually I think it's the opposite. A low conviction rate is ESSENTIAL in a corrupt system, otherwise it wouldn't be corrupt. Corruption means breaking the law WITHOUT getting convicted - just like what the big banks do.
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On the face of it, 5 serious corruption convictions, 103 years, and many thousands of politicians, would suggest that corruption in US politics is low. Actually I think it's the opposite. A low conviction rate is ESSENTIAL in a corrupt system, otherwise it wouldn't be corrupt. Corruption means breaking the law WITHOUT getting convicted - just like what the big banks do.
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glortman glortman (1496 days ago)
I am not sure how you believe you can directly compare between people who seek financial gain and sexual predators. The motivation is VERY different. I concede your point about the numbers, it is fairly small, however the CATO institute report still stands. 'Well-referenced' in this case indicates that the authors have done due diligence with respect to their source material. And Wikipedia, while faulty on many fronts is still as accurate as any other encyclopedia, and experts in various fields rate relevant pages higher for accuracy than do non-experts (http://arstechnica.com/u ncategorized/2006/11/8296 /) In any event, you seem to be missing the point of the video entirely. This is a dream about fixing your very, very deeply divided and broken government. I would encourage you to look past a branch or two and see the forest.
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I am not sure how you believe you can directly compare between people who seek financial gain and sexual predators. The motivation is VERY different. I concede your point about the numbers, it is fairly small, however the CATO institute report still stands. 'Well-referenced' in this case indicates that the authors have done due diligence with respect to their source material. And Wikipedia, while faulty on many fronts is still as accurate as any other encyclopedia, and experts in various fields rate relevant pages higher for accuracy than do non-experts (http://arstechnica.com/u ncategorized/2006/11/8296 /) In any event, you seem to be missing the point of the video entirely. This is a dream about fixing your very, very deeply divided and broken government. I would encourage you to look past a branch or two and see the forest.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1495 days ago)
I only mentioned sexual predators and teachers because everyone seems to think our political system is extremely corrupt. However, there are been very few cases of corruption and other jobs that you think are safe are not. In other words, can you name any profession on this planet where every single employee is 100% honest and nobody has ever been convicted of a crime? I bet you cannot. So the fact that 5 people have been accused (only 4 convicted) in 103 years is a good enough for me to say there is relatively low bribery rates in our congress.
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I only mentioned sexual predators and teachers because everyone seems to think our political system is extremely corrupt. However, there are been very few cases of corruption and other jobs that you think are safe are not. In other words, can you name any profession on this planet where every single employee is 100% honest and nobody has ever been convicted of a crime? I bet you cannot. So the fact that 5 people have been accused (only 4 convicted) in 103 years is a good enough for me to say there is relatively low bribery rates in our congress.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1495 days ago)
Corruption comes in many guises. HSBC ADMITTED they money laundered over $800 billion, and still no one has been convicted. Plenty of illegality and zero convictions, supposedly because the financial system would fall apart. Yeah right. That's how corruption works - low convictions means low deterrent to breaking the law. Can you name a corrupt government with a high rate of convictions against corruption?
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Corruption comes in many guises. HSBC ADMITTED they money laundered over $800 billion, and still no one has been convicted. Plenty of illegality and zero convictions, supposedly because the financial system would fall apart. Yeah right. That's how corruption works - low convictions means low deterrent to breaking the law. Can you name a corrupt government with a high rate of convictions against corruption?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1495 days ago)
Latest comment: You say nobody has been convicted but you don't know that. You wanted the CEO of the company to be held accountable for the law that tellers were breaking. How do you know those tellers were not punished because nobody has been talking about that in the media. They only mention that the CEO was not put in jail. Besides, HSBC as a whole was heavily fined for their role in the money laundering. You cannot put a corporation in jail so this is the next best thing. Since a corporation is owned by shareholders, did you expect them to round up everyone that owned stock and jail them all? Obviously only those that actually committed a crime should be put in jail and that is at the teller level. And if you just use google for a second, you can find several instances of tellers being found guilty of money laundering. Here's the first that showed up in the search results: LINK
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Latest comment: You say nobody has been convicted but you don't know that. You wanted the CEO of the company to be held accountable for the law that tellers were breaking. How do you know those tellers were not punished because nobody has been talking about that in the media. They only mention that the CEO was not put in jail. Besides, HSBC as a whole was heavily fined for their role in the money laundering. You cannot put a corporation in jail so this is the next best thing. Since a corporation is owned by shareholders, did you expect them to round up everyone that owned stock and jail them all? Obviously only those that actually committed a crime should be put in jail and that is at the teller level. And if you just use google for a second, you can find several instances of tellers being found guilty of money laundering. Here's the first that showed up in the search results: LINK
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tornadodog tornadodog (1495 days ago)
former BCCI bank workers they where 100% honest ask the cia they will stick up for them!!
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former BCCI bank workers they where 100% honest ask the cia they will stick up for them!!
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Guest: just me (1498 days ago)
Here dimwit: LINK
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Here dimwit: LINK
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cengland0 cengland0 (1497 days ago)
You must be the original guest123456789 because your reading comprehension sucks just the same as his. If you read the link you provided, you will see that it confirms what I said about those leaders already being wealthy so they are obviously not doing this for the money. Regarding them making money off the stock market, anyone could do that. The healthcare debate that was going on in 2009 was public knowledge and anyone could have invested in healthcare at that time. So I thank you for helping prove my point.
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You must be the original guest123456789 because your reading comprehension sucks just the same as his. If you read the link you provided, you will see that it confirms what I said about those leaders already being wealthy so they are obviously not doing this for the money. Regarding them making money off the stock market, anyone could do that. The healthcare debate that was going on in 2009 was public knowledge and anyone could have invested in healthcare at that time. So I thank you for helping prove my point.
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Guest: guest123456789original (1497 days ago)
this is my only comment on this post and it's to let you know that i haven't contributed to this pointless conversation until now, and i'm doing it to let you know that it's not just me who disagree with you on 90% of the issues "debated" on boreme, it's most of the people in the world. There's always someone to disagree with what you stand for because most people have a brain. And i'm out. peace.
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this is my only comment on this post and it's to let you know that i haven't contributed to this pointless conversation until now, and i'm doing it to let you know that it's not just me who disagree with you on 90% of the issues "debated" on boreme, it's most of the people in the world. There's always someone to disagree with what you stand for because most people have a brain. And i'm out. peace.
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Guest: not_123456789 (1497 days ago)
You're still an ass that writes long paragraphs. It's interesting how insider trading just became making money off the stock market. Name one congress ass that left congress poorer?
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You're still an ass that writes long paragraphs. It's interesting how insider trading just became making money off the stock market. Name one congress ass that left congress poorer?
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Guest: not_123456789 (1497 days ago)
You're still an ass that writes long paragraphs. It's interesting how insider trading just became making money off the stock market. Name one congress ass that left congress poorer?
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You're still an ass that writes long paragraphs. It's interesting how insider trading just became making money off the stock market. Name one congress ass that left congress poorer?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1497 days ago)
If you read the article, you would have read that they said it was not insider trading because they had their investors making the trades independently and any profits made from decisions from congress were coincidental. Regarding naming one congressman that is poorer when they left, I'm sure there are some but I don't have the financial records of everyone. Can you name an IBM employee that left poorer? How about a Microsoft employee?
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If you read the article, you would have read that they said it was not insider trading because they had their investors making the trades independently and any profits made from decisions from congress were coincidental. Regarding naming one congressman that is poorer when they left, I'm sure there are some but I don't have the financial records of everyone. Can you name an IBM employee that left poorer? How about a Microsoft employee?
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