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Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction

Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction - Bob Marley, Jamaican reggae artist (1945 - 1981). More homepage quotes

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1408 days ago)
@cengland0 - How do you square your libertarian ideals (I presume you are in favour of legalising drugs), and your support of a private prison system that lobbies for harsher drug sentencing because it's good for profit?
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@cengland0 - How do you square your libertarian ideals (I presume you are in favour of legalising drugs), and your support of a private prison system that lobbies for harsher drug sentencing because it's good for profit?
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Guest: SATANIC DILDO (1407 days ago)
fishing for the trolls again walter. you just can't keep from feeding trolls.
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fishing for the trolls again walter. you just can't keep from feeding trolls.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
I am for legalizing marijuana and selling it through local stores and taxing it. If alcohol and tobacco is legal, and they kill more people, then we should legalize something less harmful and has never killed anyone. There are even health benefits to it.
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I am for legalizing marijuana and selling it through local stores and taxing it. If alcohol and tobacco is legal, and they kill more people, then we should legalize something less harmful and has never killed anyone. There are even health benefits to it.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1407 days ago)
So how do you square that with supporting a private prison system that lobbies for custodial marijuana laws?
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So how do you square that with supporting a private prison system that lobbies for custodial marijuana laws?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
The private companies can lobby for whatever causes they think will help their company. I do not want to make that illegal. It was lobbying that abolished slavery in the USA so it can be a good thing. The citizens can elect their representatives that believe in the same things as themselves and eventually get the laws changed. It just takes the majority of those representatives to vote the same way and the president to sign it into law to make the change. Perhaps the representatives can be convinced by a farmer that wants to grow the product and can show how much money can be made by taxation. That could overpower the lobbying efforts of a privatized prison system.
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The private companies can lobby for whatever causes they think will help their company. I do not want to make that illegal. It was lobbying that abolished slavery in the USA so it can be a good thing. The citizens can elect their representatives that believe in the same things as themselves and eventually get the laws changed. It just takes the majority of those representatives to vote the same way and the president to sign it into law to make the change. Perhaps the representatives can be convinced by a farmer that wants to grow the product and can show how much money can be made by taxation. That could overpower the lobbying efforts of a privatized prison system.
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MyName MyName (1407 days ago)
You think abolishing the slave trade was a bad thing? But what about the free (ahem) market, supply and demand?
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You think abolishing the slave trade was a bad thing? But what about the free (ahem) market, supply and demand?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
Perhaps you should re-read my message. It seems you made an assumption that is the exact opposite of what I wrote.
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Perhaps you should re-read my message. It seems you made an assumption that is the exact opposite of what I wrote.
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MyName MyName (1407 days ago)
I don't understand. I read your message and you said "It was lobbying that abolished slavery in the USA so it can be a good thing". But I thought you believed in supply and demand and free markets, morals never seem to come in to it for you, so I'm trying to understand if "a good thing", in your view can be morally or is it always just economically.
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I don't understand. I read your message and you said "It was lobbying that abolished slavery in the USA so it can be a good thing". But I thought you believed in supply and demand and free markets, morals never seem to come in to it for you, so I'm trying to understand if "a good thing", in your view can be morally or is it always just economically.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
So where in my message did you get that I thought abolishing slavery was a bad thing? That's what you thought I said but I clearly said it was a good thing that lobbying abolished slavery. We were not discussing a free market in this discussion -- we were talking about lobbying. Please try to follow along if you plan on responding to my comments.
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So where in my message did you get that I thought abolishing slavery was a bad thing? That's what you thought I said but I clearly said it was a good thing that lobbying abolished slavery. We were not discussing a free market in this discussion -- we were talking about lobbying. Please try to follow along if you plan on responding to my comments.
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MyName MyName (1407 days ago)
I didn't suggest that you thought abolishing slavery was a bad thing, that's why I quoted you saying it was a good thing. But that seems to go against what you usually say about leaving markets and supply and demand to sort things out. There was a supply and demand for slavery in a 'free' market, slaves were a commodity, right? so I wonder why you thought slavery was a bad thing?
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I didn't suggest that you thought abolishing slavery was a bad thing, that's why I quoted you saying it was a good thing. But that seems to go against what you usually say about leaving markets and supply and demand to sort things out. There was a supply and demand for slavery in a 'free' market, slaves were a commodity, right? so I wonder why you thought slavery was a bad thing?
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
A free market is not always a good thing. For example, anything that violates someone else's rights is not a good thing. You wouldn't want to make it legal to murder people for money would you? See how ridiculous that sounds? Slavery violates the basic foundations that all men were created equal and should all have the same rights. Once you start encroaching on my personal liberty and rights, then the free market has gone too far. As for legalizing marijuana, this is a victimless crime. I am accountable for my own health so I should be able to put whatever chemicals I want in it. If I am allowed to go to McDonalds and eat 100 cheese burgers, I should be allowed to consume a natural herb. And then with this being a health related issue (if you think it's unhealthy), the medical insurance companies should have the right to increase your costs if you consume unhealthy products. They already have two different prices if you are a tobacco user and a non-tobacco user. I would challenge you to find any unhealthy side effects of marijuana. It's non addictive and can even help nausea and diseases like glaucoma. Nobody has ever died from over consumption of marijuana -- ever! You cannot say the same thing about many other legalized products.
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A free market is not always a good thing. For example, anything that violates someone else's rights is not a good thing. You wouldn't want to make it legal to murder people for money would you? See how ridiculous that sounds? Slavery violates the basic foundations that all men were created equal and should all have the same rights. Once you start encroaching on my personal liberty and rights, then the free market has gone too far. As for legalizing marijuana, this is a victimless crime. I am accountable for my own health so I should be able to put whatever chemicals I want in it. If I am allowed to go to McDonalds and eat 100 cheese burgers, I should be allowed to consume a natural herb. And then with this being a health related issue (if you think it's unhealthy), the medical insurance companies should have the right to increase your costs if you consume unhealthy products. They already have two different prices if you are a tobacco user and a non-tobacco user. I would challenge you to find any unhealthy side effects of marijuana. It's non addictive and can even help nausea and diseases like glaucoma. Nobody has ever died from over consumption of marijuana -- ever! You cannot say the same thing about many other legalized products.
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Guest: SATANIC DILDO (1407 days ago)
Latest comment: big words for a right wing racist terrorist banker scum such as yourself, but it's understandable seeing that the right wing koch brothers lobby for the legalization of pot! ya fekin racist terrorist banker scum!
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Latest comment: big words for a right wing racist terrorist banker scum such as yourself, but it's understandable seeing that the right wing koch brothers lobby for the legalization of pot! ya fekin racist terrorist banker scum!
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1407 days ago)
You don't have to make lobbying illegal, you could just not have private prisons. After all, they cost the tax payer much more than a state prison system would, and only benefit the very few who run the companies.
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You don't have to make lobbying illegal, you could just not have private prisons. After all, they cost the tax payer much more than a state prison system would, and only benefit the very few who run the companies.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
I'm not sure where you're getting your information about it being more expensive to run a private prison than a state one but I believe that to be in error. There were some Arizona audits that, at first glance, seemed to be more expensive but they failed to factor in a lot of other things such as the state keeping the more expensive prisoners and only giving the private sector the cheaper prisoners. Additionally, there is an initial investment to create the infrastructure that does not get calculated in the yearly costs but it is part of the costs of the private sector. Another example of narrow viewing is regarding pensions. At the end of a 20 or 30 year term, the state continues to pay for employee benefits but those expenses will be paid by the private sector with the money already paid to the private sector. It's sort of like a company hiring contractors and paying them more per hour than a regular employee. This happens all the time and employees get upset about it. Then, after they learn contractors don't get paid time off, pensions, 401K, or health care benefits, their opinions changes The costs to hire and fire permanent employees (with training and severance pay factors) can be expensive but those are handled by the contracting company so if you need someone for a year and then plan to let them go, it's much better to pay more for a contractor.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your information about it being more expensive to run a private prison than a state one but I believe that to be in error. There were some Arizona audits that, at first glance, seemed to be more expensive but they failed to factor in a lot of other things such as the state keeping the more expensive prisoners and only giving the private sector the cheaper prisoners. Additionally, there is an initial investment to create the infrastructure that does not get calculated in the yearly costs but it is part of the costs of the private sector. Another example of narrow viewing is regarding pensions. At the end of a 20 or 30 year term, the state continues to pay for employee benefits but those expenses will be paid by the private sector with the money already paid to the private sector. It's sort of like a company hiring contractors and paying them more per hour than a regular employee. This happens all the time and employees get upset about it. Then, after they learn contractors don't get paid time off, pensions, 401K, or health care benefits, their opinions changes The costs to hire and fire permanent employees (with training and severance pay factors) can be expensive but those are handled by the contracting company so if you need someone for a year and then plan to let them go, it's much better to pay more for a contractor.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1407 days ago)
If marijuana was legalised, it would save the tax payer a huge amount of money in many areas, including from 'not imprisoning people'. But marijuana is not legalised (in most US states) and private prison corporations play a major role in that because they want to imprison people. So how do you square holding two positions that directly conflict - the libertarian's individual right vs the corporatist's drive for profit at whatever cost? It seems to me, the simplest, most elegant and obvious solution is to abolish private prisons.
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If marijuana was legalised, it would save the tax payer a huge amount of money in many areas, including from 'not imprisoning people'. But marijuana is not legalised (in most US states) and private prison corporations play a major role in that because they want to imprison people. So how do you square holding two positions that directly conflict - the libertarian's individual right vs the corporatist's drive for profit at whatever cost? It seems to me, the simplest, most elegant and obvious solution is to abolish private prisons.
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cengland0 cengland0 (1407 days ago)
So it is your belief that if we were to get rid of private prisons, the United States of America would suddenly legalize drugs? It is your idea that the only reason drugs are illegal is because we want to imprison more people? Are you out of your mind? First, it is not legal anywhere in this country. There may be some states that made it legal but it's still illegal federally and federal law trumps state law. There are so many holes in your hypothesis that I don't even know where to begin. I'll just leave you with this one thought and then wait for your reply before I debunk anything else you come up with. Arizona is the state that has the most controversial privately owned prisons. Arizona legalized pot in 2010 under Proposition 203. They can possess 2.5 ounces and have up to 12 plants. What is your response to this?
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So it is your belief that if we were to get rid of private prisons, the United States of America would suddenly legalize drugs? It is your idea that the only reason drugs are illegal is because we want to imprison more people? Are you out of your mind? First, it is not legal anywhere in this country. There may be some states that made it legal but it's still illegal federally and federal law trumps state law. There are so many holes in your hypothesis that I don't even know where to begin. I'll just leave you with this one thought and then wait for your reply before I debunk anything else you come up with. Arizona is the state that has the most controversial privately owned prisons. Arizona legalized pot in 2010 under Proposition 203. They can possess 2.5 ounces and have up to 12 plants. What is your response to this?
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Guest: originalmad (1410 days ago)
i've never met a jamaican who doesn't do both
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i've never met a jamaican who doesn't do both
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Guest: (1410 days ago)
Lucky for you you have met them ALL!
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Lucky for you you have met them ALL!
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Guest: Diagnostic: (1407 days ago)
Where does he say that? Stooopid guest, stooopid.
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Where does he say that? Stooopid guest, stooopid.
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Guest: originalmad (1409 days ago)
oh i've met quite a few
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oh i've met quite a few
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Guest: (1409 days ago)
"Few" noun "a minority of the people" synonyms: a small number, a handful, one or two, a couple, two or three; not many, hardly any I'm sure you are right. Most racists are.
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"Few" noun "a minority of the people" synonyms: a small number, a handful, one or two, a couple, two or three; not many, hardly any I'm sure you are right. Most racists are.
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Guest: originalmad (1409 days ago)
ah projection
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ah projection
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Guest: SATANIC DILDO (1409 days ago)
ah, being a racist cu*T, which you fekin are! a fekin right, wing, shale gas propagandist racist cu*t! fu*K you!
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ah, being a racist cu*T, which you fekin are! a fekin right, wing, shale gas propagandist racist cu*t! fu*K you!
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Guest: originalmad (1409 days ago)
to clarify all people who happen to be of jamaican origin that i've have a drink with do not have an aversion to the herb. satisfied.
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to clarify all people who happen to be of jamaican origin that i've have a drink with do not have an aversion to the herb. satisfied.
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Guest: Diagnostic: (1407 days ago)
I don't think you need to make any excuses to that bum-bandit's toy. He's just stooopid.
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I don't think you need to make any excuses to that bum-bandit's toy. He's just stooopid.
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Guest: Diagnostic: (1407 days ago)
stoooopid. stooopid. stoopid bum-bandit. i am smart, everyone else is stoooopid.
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stoooopid. stooopid. stoopid bum-bandit. i am smart, everyone else is stoooopid.
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Guest: Diagnostic: (1407 days ago)
Dear guest, I wonder just what your mind is crippled by that you don't know the difference between the "few" and "quite a few"? Hint: quoting a dictionary entry on a wrong subject DOES prove a thing. And that thing is: you are stoooopid.
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Dear guest, I wonder just what your mind is crippled by that you don't know the difference between the "few" and "quite a few"? Hint: quoting a dictionary entry on a wrong subject DOES prove a thing. And that thing is: you are stoooopid.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1409 days ago)
I think legalising weed is a no brainer. Actually, I'd go for legalising hard drugs as well.
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I think legalising weed is a no brainer. Actually, I'd go for legalising hard drugs as well.
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