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(13:32) Earth's masterpieces in stone and ice. NASA's Landsat missions were launched for scientific purposes, but they make up one of the most awe-inspiring collections of beautiful images of our planet.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1387 days ago)
This reminds me of a AGW point. Notice that Iraq has a lot of oil but it's currently dessert. That means it used to be booming with life at one time and millions of years ago. Now it's a dessert. Was that caused by humans? Something to think about.
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This reminds me of a AGW point. Notice that Iraq has a lot of oil but it's currently dessert. That means it used to be booming with life at one time and millions of years ago. Now it's a dessert. Was that caused by humans? Something to think about.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
Quite an interesting observation, with your typo adding some humour. Here's another interesting observation - humans have only been around for about 100,000 years (1/10 of 1 million years) and only started to impact on the planet about 150 years ago with the industrial revolution. The industrial revolution with population growth has led to AWG. Population was 0 in 100,000 BC, 1 billion in 1804, 6 billion in 1999, and 7 billion today. That's something to think about.
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Quite an interesting observation, with your typo adding some humour. Here's another interesting observation - humans have only been around for about 100,000 years (1/10 of 1 million years) and only started to impact on the planet about 150 years ago with the industrial revolution. The industrial revolution with population growth has led to AWG. Population was 0 in 100,000 BC, 1 billion in 1804, 6 billion in 1999, and 7 billion today. That's something to think about.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
Exactly my point. If humans were not here, how could they have been responsible for the huge temperature increases? Also, the medieval warming right after the little ice age seems to purposely be left off the hockey puck chart that is being shown to the public. “Natural global warming much more intense than modern warming has occurred many times in the geologic past without CO2 change,” said Dr. Easterbrook, Professor of Geology at Western Washington University.
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Exactly my point. If humans were not here, how could they have been responsible for the huge temperature increases? Also, the medieval warming right after the little ice age seems to purposely be left off the hockey puck chart that is being shown to the public. “Natural global warming much more intense than modern warming has occurred many times in the geologic past without CO2 change,” said Dr. Easterbrook, Professor of Geology at Western Washington University.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
What are you talking about? The climate doesn't change suddenly for no reason, ever. Physics doesn't work that way, only God does. Believe it or not, before humans there were catastrophic events - like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Today, recent human activity is the 'catastrophic event'. If there was a dramatic change in climate, and scientists don't know what caused it, it doesn't mean nothing caused it. Doh! For most of the life of the planet, it has been uninhabitable for humans. 3 billion years ago there was no oxygen in the atmosphere at all. We evolved to make use of the atmosphere as it is today, and our tolerance is very narrow compared with the possibilities (as proven in the past, or on Venus). That's why stabilising the climate really matters. Can't you see that?
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What are you talking about? The climate doesn't change suddenly for no reason, ever. Physics doesn't work that way, only God does. Believe it or not, before humans there were catastrophic events - like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. Today, recent human activity is the 'catastrophic event'. If there was a dramatic change in climate, and scientists don't know what caused it, it doesn't mean nothing caused it. Doh! For most of the life of the planet, it has been uninhabitable for humans. 3 billion years ago there was no oxygen in the atmosphere at all. We evolved to make use of the atmosphere as it is today, and our tolerance is very narrow compared with the possibilities (as proven in the past, or on Venus). That's why stabilising the climate really matters. Can't you see that?
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
What I'm talking about (please try to follow) is that there are non-human factors to global warming and Earth's history has the proof of that. Even if you take the last 10,000 years, it has been warmer most of the time than it is today. So how can you blame the industrial age on the warming when you see the evidence in this graph? LINK
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What I'm talking about (please try to follow) is that there are non-human factors to global warming and Earth's history has the proof of that. Even if you take the last 10,000 years, it has been warmer most of the time than it is today. So how can you blame the industrial age on the warming when you see the evidence in this graph? LINK
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
Of course there have been non-human causes to global warming (as you so astutely pointed out, before humans even existed). Pumping 30 billion tons of 'new' CO2 into the atmosphere every year while cutting down trees, will also warm the planet. You say 30 billion tons is not enough to change the climate, almost every climate scientist thinks you are wrong, and that it is enough and are warning us to get our shit together. As for your graph, when it says 'Present temperature', that is not today. That was some years back, as exposed in this video - an interview with Mark Durkin, maker of the documentary 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. Well worth a watch as he gets systematically destroyed on every point. LINK
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Of course there have been non-human causes to global warming (as you so astutely pointed out, before humans even existed). Pumping 30 billion tons of 'new' CO2 into the atmosphere every year while cutting down trees, will also warm the planet. You say 30 billion tons is not enough to change the climate, almost every climate scientist thinks you are wrong, and that it is enough and are warning us to get our shit together. As for your graph, when it says 'Present temperature', that is not today. That was some years back, as exposed in this video - an interview with Mark Durkin, maker of the documentary 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. Well worth a watch as he gets systematically destroyed on every point. LINK
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
Even if you think the "present temperature" in that graph is wrong and you increase that line a little, you can still see several peaks within the last 10,000 years that are higher. I'm not saying that CO2 production does not have any effect on the temperature of the planet, I'm saying it's not the only cause and may not even be the most important cause of global warming. Like I stated before, water vapor and deforestation is a huge factor. The CO2 levels were higher 100,000 and 200,000 years ago as evidenced by ice core samples. Wouldn't you agree then that CO2 alone is not the only contributing factor to the temperatures on this planet? If you do agree, then why do you keep trying to convince us we are all going to die if we drive our cars to work? Some of us have to work for a living, you know. You are scare mongering and have no solutions. So until someone can prove to me that CO2 is going to kill us and then give us an alternative, I have no choice but to continue on with my life the way it is by burning fossil fuels.
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Even if you think the "present temperature" in that graph is wrong and you increase that line a little, you can still see several peaks within the last 10,000 years that are higher. I'm not saying that CO2 production does not have any effect on the temperature of the planet, I'm saying it's not the only cause and may not even be the most important cause of global warming. Like I stated before, water vapor and deforestation is a huge factor. The CO2 levels were higher 100,000 and 200,000 years ago as evidenced by ice core samples. Wouldn't you agree then that CO2 alone is not the only contributing factor to the temperatures on this planet? If you do agree, then why do you keep trying to convince us we are all going to die if we drive our cars to work? Some of us have to work for a living, you know. You are scare mongering and have no solutions. So until someone can prove to me that CO2 is going to kill us and then give us an alternative, I have no choice but to continue on with my life the way it is by burning fossil fuels.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
You agree CO2 warms the planet, so you are actually saying that 30 billion tons added every year will not warm the planet enough to make any meaningful difference from natural variations. You've already accepted that deforestation is a huge contributor to global warming (let me remind you that it's a human activity), so are you now saying that fossil fuels are not the problem but deforestation is? And about going back into the deep past before humans even existed, it doesn't matter about then. We weren't around. In the real world, heat waves, droughts, flooding, extreme storms, sea level rise, flood defences, crop failures, mass migration are all very very expensive. And it won't be the corporatists who try to block action on climate change who will pay, it'll be the rest of us, you included. Wake up man!
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You agree CO2 warms the planet, so you are actually saying that 30 billion tons added every year will not warm the planet enough to make any meaningful difference from natural variations. You've already accepted that deforestation is a huge contributor to global warming (let me remind you that it's a human activity), so are you now saying that fossil fuels are not the problem but deforestation is? And about going back into the deep past before humans even existed, it doesn't matter about then. We weren't around. In the real world, heat waves, droughts, flooding, extreme storms, sea level rise, flood defences, crop failures, mass migration are all very very expensive. And it won't be the corporatists who try to block action on climate change who will pay, it'll be the rest of us, you included. Wake up man!
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
I'm saying that CO2 can have an effect on the temperature of the planet but scientists have not proven that human made CO2 is the cause of our current warming cycle. Other possible factors could be water vapor, solar flares, the change of our magnetic poles, etc. Previously flourishing civilizations have died off from famine in the past and that was way before the industrial age. Even if human made CO2 was the most important contributor, there's nothing I can do about it. It's like knowing that I'm going to die eventually so why should I start worrying about the inevitable now? Is there anything I could do to prevent me from dying? Of course not. Is there anything I can do to change the temperature of the Earth? Of course not.
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I'm saying that CO2 can have an effect on the temperature of the planet but scientists have not proven that human made CO2 is the cause of our current warming cycle. Other possible factors could be water vapor, solar flares, the change of our magnetic poles, etc. Previously flourishing civilizations have died off from famine in the past and that was way before the industrial age. Even if human made CO2 was the most important contributor, there's nothing I can do about it. It's like knowing that I'm going to die eventually so why should I start worrying about the inevitable now? Is there anything I could do to prevent me from dying? Of course not. Is there anything I can do to change the temperature of the Earth? Of course not.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
It is estimated that deforestation is responsible for 1.5 billion tons of CO2 every year. LINK Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 30 billion tons every year, a factor of 20 more! You described deforestation as a "huge contributor to global warming", your words not mine. So how would you describe the contribution of burning fossil fuels?
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It is estimated that deforestation is responsible for 1.5 billion tons of CO2 every year. LINK Burning fossil fuels is responsible for 30 billion tons every year, a factor of 20 more! You described deforestation as a "huge contributor to global warming", your words not mine. So how would you describe the contribution of burning fossil fuels?
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
Let me clarify something. Deforestation is a huge factor with increased CO2 levels. I'm still not convinced CO2 levels is a huge factor of global warming.
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Let me clarify something. Deforestation is a huge factor with increased CO2 levels. I'm still not convinced CO2 levels is a huge factor of global warming.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
One last point - don't those huge numbers make you step back and question some of your core beliefs? 30 BILLION tons of CO2 added to the atmosphere every year, especially when you consider that deforestation accounts for "only" 1.5 billion tons a year. When almost every expert in the world is warning of catastrophic climate change and the only dissenters are in some way connected to the oil industry. When you look out the window, or switch on the news and see climate change unfolding before your very eyes. When you're constantly changing your arguments because I shoot every one of them down. But now you've run out of arguments to change to. What's wrong with you? Are you blind to reality?
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One last point - don't those huge numbers make you step back and question some of your core beliefs? 30 BILLION tons of CO2 added to the atmosphere every year, especially when you consider that deforestation accounts for "only" 1.5 billion tons a year. When almost every expert in the world is warning of catastrophic climate change and the only dissenters are in some way connected to the oil industry. When you look out the window, or switch on the news and see climate change unfolding before your very eyes. When you're constantly changing your arguments because I shoot every one of them down. But now you've run out of arguments to change to. What's wrong with you? Are you blind to reality?
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1385 days ago)
A survey of scientists does not make something factual. If they can make AGW a theory, then I might believe it. cengland0, who seems to have abandoned talking to you about this pointed out that 100% of priests say there is a god but you don't believe there is one, right? So as you can see, it doesn't matter what people believe. Only facts matter and the fact is that CO2 levels do not appear to have as direct an impact on the temperature as scientists believe. If it did, then their predictive models would work out and it would reach a theory status. Remember, 200,000 and 100,000 years ago, the CO2 levels were higher than they are today and mammals are still on this planet. Can you explain that using your hypothesis that CO2 increases will always increase the temperature to a point that all living organisms will die off?
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A survey of scientists does not make something factual. If they can make AGW a theory, then I might believe it. cengland0, who seems to have abandoned talking to you about this pointed out that 100% of priests say there is a god but you don't believe there is one, right? So as you can see, it doesn't matter what people believe. Only facts matter and the fact is that CO2 levels do not appear to have as direct an impact on the temperature as scientists believe. If it did, then their predictive models would work out and it would reach a theory status. Remember, 200,000 and 100,000 years ago, the CO2 levels were higher than they are today and mammals are still on this planet. Can you explain that using your hypothesis that CO2 increases will always increase the temperature to a point that all living organisms will die off?
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1385 days ago)
The difference between 1000 priests thinking the same, and 1000 scientists thinking the same is quite obvious that I'm sure you can figure it out all on your own. The difference between past catastrophic events (e.g. an asteroid strike) to human activity, is that the asteroid strike is a one-off event, human activity is relentless. If we ADD 30 billion tons of CO2 EVERY year, the temperature will keep on rising. The important words are "ADD" and "EVERY". Then we have those pesky feedback loops that risk runaway global warming if they are triggered (e.g. releasing the massive amounts of methane trapped in the permafrost when that melts). And there's Venus, nicely balanced at 467C, reminding us that this is not all bullshit.
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The difference between 1000 priests thinking the same, and 1000 scientists thinking the same is quite obvious that I'm sure you can figure it out all on your own. The difference between past catastrophic events (e.g. an asteroid strike) to human activity, is that the asteroid strike is a one-off event, human activity is relentless. If we ADD 30 billion tons of CO2 EVERY year, the temperature will keep on rising. The important words are "ADD" and "EVERY". Then we have those pesky feedback loops that risk runaway global warming if they are triggered (e.g. releasing the massive amounts of methane trapped in the permafrost when that melts). And there's Venus, nicely balanced at 467C, reminding us that this is not all bullshit.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1385 days ago)
I never mentioned asteroid strikes. Is that what caused the CO2 levels to increase 100,000 and 200,000 years ago? Regarding Venus, that's a point in my favor. Obviously since we are not there, the high CO2 levels were not our fault. You also said a couple degrees warming and all life on this planet will die but I've proven the CO2 levels were higher in the past but animals are still here. You never addressed that conflict. That's the problem with AGW and why it's not a theory because those problems of observations do not match the models that scientists created.
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I never mentioned asteroid strikes. Is that what caused the CO2 levels to increase 100,000 and 200,000 years ago? Regarding Venus, that's a point in my favor. Obviously since we are not there, the high CO2 levels were not our fault. You also said a couple degrees warming and all life on this planet will die but I've proven the CO2 levels were higher in the past but animals are still here. You never addressed that conflict. That's the problem with AGW and why it's not a theory because those problems of observations do not match the models that scientists created.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1385 days ago)
I don't know what caused CO2 to rise 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Why don't you do some research and tell me. Venus shows that runaway global warming does happen. CO2 doesn't necessarily warm the planet - it traps heat. When a volcano erupts, it belches out loads of CO2, but will often have a cooling effect because the dust blocking sunlight is more significant. CO2 doesn't care who created it as to whether or not it traps heat. CO2 is not a poison. Plants love it. It is absolutely necessary for the cycle of life on Earth. The keyword is "balance". You are jumping to conclusions all over the place from a base of almost zero knowledge. Please go and study some basic science before coming out with more nonsense.
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I don't know what caused CO2 to rise 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Why don't you do some research and tell me. Venus shows that runaway global warming does happen. CO2 doesn't necessarily warm the planet - it traps heat. When a volcano erupts, it belches out loads of CO2, but will often have a cooling effect because the dust blocking sunlight is more significant. CO2 doesn't care who created it as to whether or not it traps heat. CO2 is not a poison. Plants love it. It is absolutely necessary for the cycle of life on Earth. The keyword is "balance". You are jumping to conclusions all over the place from a base of almost zero knowledge. Please go and study some basic science before coming out with more nonsense.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1385 days ago)
And I never said a couple of degrees would destroy all life on Earth. I said a couple of degrees risks that we enter runaway global warming that we can't control, ultimately rendering Earth like Venus, therefore destroying all life on Earth.
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And I never said a couple of degrees would destroy all life on Earth. I said a couple of degrees risks that we enter runaway global warming that we can't control, ultimately rendering Earth like Venus, therefore destroying all life on Earth.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1385 days ago)
You actually said it will kill all known life in the universe. I found one post where you said, "Unfortunately, scientists are warning that only a few degrees C rise will have catastrophic consequences." LINK and another, "a small rise in average global temperatures 2, 4, 6 degrees C will have catastrophic effects" LINK "A continually warming planet will not only end human civilisation, but will ultimately destroy all life in the universe that we know of. " LINK "All known life in the universe is on this planet. If run-away global warming wipes out humans, I doubt cockroaches are going to be able to do much about it to save themselves." "Run-away global warming will make life on Earth impossible." "I can only conclude that we're all doomed."
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You actually said it will kill all known life in the universe. I found one post where you said, "Unfortunately, scientists are warning that only a few degrees C rise will have catastrophic consequences." LINK and another, "a small rise in average global temperatures 2, 4, 6 degrees C will have catastrophic effects" LINK "A continually warming planet will not only end human civilisation, but will ultimately destroy all life in the universe that we know of. " LINK "All known life in the universe is on this planet. If run-away global warming wipes out humans, I doubt cockroaches are going to be able to do much about it to save themselves." "Run-away global warming will make life on Earth impossible." "I can only conclude that we're all doomed."
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Guest: Thorny Prick (1385 days ago)
...AA HA HA HA HA HA HA... ya fu*k!! AAA HA HA HA HA... ya stupid fu*k! AAAA HA HA HA HA!! good one! made me laugh, but you're still a shale gas propagandist fu*k!
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...AA HA HA HA HA HA HA... ya fu*k!! AAA HA HA HA HA... ya stupid fu*k! AAAA HA HA HA HA!! good one! made me laugh, but you're still a shale gas propagandist fu*k!
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1385 days ago)
Go and learn some science, and while you're about it, learn some English as well.
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Go and learn some science, and while you're about it, learn some English as well.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1385 days ago)
What was wrong with my English? You're just upset that I remembered you saying something that you are trying to back out.
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What was wrong with my English? You're just upset that I remembered you saying something that you are trying to back out.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1384 days ago)
I'm not trying to back out of anything. Quoting out of context is what climate change deniers do all the time. And that's exactly what you've done.
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I'm not trying to back out of anything. Quoting out of context is what climate change deniers do all the time. And that's exactly what you've done.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1384 days ago)
What do you mean by quoting out of context. I provided the links to your quotes so you can see them in context. You thought global warming was going to kill all life on this planet. Now you're trying to find a way to back out.
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What do you mean by quoting out of context. I provided the links to your quotes so you can see them in context. You thought global warming was going to kill all life on this planet. Now you're trying to find a way to back out.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1383 days ago)
Quoting out of context is the art of misinterpretation, usually intentionally but in your case I'm not sure. Maybe you simply don't understand. I never said global warming would kill all life on the planet. Throughout I talk about risks, likelihoods and the opinions of scientists - not certainties.
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Quoting out of context is the art of misinterpretation, usually intentionally but in your case I'm not sure. Maybe you simply don't understand. I never said global warming would kill all life on the planet. Throughout I talk about risks, likelihoods and the opinions of scientists - not certainties.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1383 days ago)
Latest comment: Yeah, whatever. You did say it even if you deny it now. Others can read the original messages and decide for themselves.
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Latest comment: Yeah, whatever. You did say it even if you deny it now. Others can read the original messages and decide for themselves.
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Guest: Thorny Prick (1385 days ago)
for fu*k sake man... you are so thick i can't even handle you! are you here to all of us that you're dumber than cengfuk0 and original mad put together?? just fekin go away with your relentless acid rain of idiotic comments, you're so fu*king tiring, you and the rest of the sjale gas propagandist trolls... it's like you take shifts at eating sheit! if it's not you, it's originalmad. if it's not him, it's cengfuk0. YOU SHALE GAS PROPAGANDISTS SURE ARE ORGANIZED...i'll give you that much. NOW GO FU*K YOURSELF!
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for fu*k sake man... you are so thick i can't even handle you! are you here to all of us that you're dumber than cengfuk0 and original mad put together?? just fekin go away with your relentless acid rain of idiotic comments, you're so fu*king tiring, you and the rest of the sjale gas propagandist trolls... it's like you take shifts at eating sheit! if it's not you, it's originalmad. if it's not him, it's cengfuk0. YOU SHALE GAS PROPAGANDISTS SURE ARE ORGANIZED...i'll give you that much. NOW GO FU*K YOURSELF!
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Guest: Thorny Prick (1385 days ago)
*to prove*
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*to prove*
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)
All you've clarified is that you don't know what you're talking about. If you want to understand how the different greenhouse gases affect the climate, try Google. There's plenty of info on lab tests, theory, and measurements from land and space of radiated heat at the wavelengths corresponding to greenhouse gases. If you find it difficult to understand, do a science degree. Otherwise stop spouting nonsense.
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All you've clarified is that you don't know what you're talking about. If you want to understand how the different greenhouse gases affect the climate, try Google. There's plenty of info on lab tests, theory, and measurements from land and space of radiated heat at the wavelengths corresponding to greenhouse gases. If you find it difficult to understand, do a science degree. Otherwise stop spouting nonsense.
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Guest: Thorny Prick (1386 days ago)
no no no, you only think you're saying plausible sheit, but the way you are perceived by the rest of us sheep is the following: you're a sheit eating, shale gas propagandist FU*K, who eats sheit all day and regurgitates it in the form of sheit comments on boreme! fu*k you ya fekin shale gas propagandist fu*k! and yer mum's a cow!
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no no no, you only think you're saying plausible sheit, but the way you are perceived by the rest of us sheep is the following: you're a sheit eating, shale gas propagandist FU*K, who eats sheit all day and regurgitates it in the form of sheit comments on boreme! fu*k you ya fekin shale gas propagandist fu*k! and yer mum's a cow!
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Guest: Thorny Prick (1387 days ago)
.... if you're a retarded piece of sheit, yeah, think about it! ya stupid fu*k!
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.... if you're a retarded piece of sheit, yeah, think about it! ya stupid fu*k!
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Guest: Drumbeat (1386 days ago)
CO2 is the essence of life on the planet. The atmosphere used to have a lot more CO2 in it than it does now and the amount has been coming down over the years. Not we are getting it up again. Fundamentally the earth must go back to its normal temperature, i.e. much hotter than it is now. We are in an inter-glacial cool period tacked on the the last ice age. A few years back climate scientists were saying we were going into another ice age. They are always right.
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CO2 is the essence of life on the planet. The atmosphere used to have a lot more CO2 in it than it does now and the amount has been coming down over the years. Not we are getting it up again. Fundamentally the earth must go back to its normal temperature, i.e. much hotter than it is now. We are in an inter-glacial cool period tacked on the the last ice age. A few years back climate scientists were saying we were going into another ice age. They are always right.
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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1386 days ago)
I agree. Without CO2, the plants would die off and there would be a chain reaction to kill off the herbivores and then eventually the omnivores and carnivores.
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I agree. Without CO2, the plants would die off and there would be a chain reaction to kill off the herbivores and then eventually the omnivores and carnivores.
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