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David Simon - The horror show of America

David Simon - The horror show of America

(26:47) Give the money to the rich and they'll see that you're not poor. American journalist creator of the TV series 'The Wire,' talks with Bill about America's capitalism crisis.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1388 days ago)

Blah, blah, blah. This all comes from a member of a known corrupt organization, "The Writers Guild of America." Daid Simon also has a net worth of $15 million. He talks about greed but keeps accepting more and more money every year.

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Blah, blah, blah. This all comes from a member of a known corrupt organization, "The Writers Guild of America." Daid Simon also has a net worth of $15 million. He talks about greed but keeps accepting more and more money every year.

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Guest: TrollFood (1387 days ago)

Ad Hominem attack again, cengland. Classy as always.

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Ad Hominem attack again, cengland. Classy as always.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1387 days ago)

Said cengland0, member of known corrupt organisation Bank of America.

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Said cengland0, member of known corrupt organisation Bank of America.

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

thanks missed that one

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thanks missed that one

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

And what company do you work for? I bet you will not tell us because you're afraid we can dig up dirt on any company.

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And what company do you work for? I bet you will not tell us because you're afraid we can dig up dirt on any company.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1387 days ago)

I'm self-employed.

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I'm self-employed.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

But what do you do for a living? Roofing? Tugboat repair? Concrete truck driver?

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But what do you do for a living? Roofing? Tugboat repair? Concrete truck driver?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1387 days ago)

Tugboat repair. Ships are getting so big these days they put extra strain on the tugs, hence business is good right now. What's your definition of hard work - sitting in front of a couple of screens trading shares all day, while commenting on BoreMe?

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Tugboat repair. Ships are getting so big these days they put extra strain on the tugs, hence business is good right now. What's your definition of hard work - sitting in front of a couple of screens trading shares all day, while commenting on BoreMe?

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

You are afraid to tell me what you really do for a living but you are quick to say my business is corrupt. This tells me a lot about you because you're obviously afraid to say because you know every business sector has someone in it that has committed a crime.

I'll admit that I own a lot of stocks and heavily invested in the market. However, I hire a company to manage those trades for me so I do not need to be involved in the day to day trades. That isn't even considered one of my other two businesses so I don't allocate much of my time to it.

It seems you have a lot of time to post on BoreMe so you may not be working very hard. As for me, I no longer have to work hard -- I work smart.

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You are afraid to tell me what you really do for a living but you are quick to say my business is corrupt. This tells me a lot about you because you're obviously afraid to say because you know every business sector has someone in it that has committed a crime.

I'll admit that I own a lot of stocks and heavily invested in the market. However, I hire a company to manage those trades for me so I do not need to be involved in the day to day trades. That isn't even considered one of my other two businesses so I don't allocate much of my time to it.

It seems you have a lot of time to post on BoreMe so you may not be working very hard. As for me, I no longer have to work hard -- I work smart.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)

It's not me saying BoA and loads of other banks are corrupt, it's the media and the courts. You're on the inside, you should know.

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It's not me saying BoA and loads of other banks are corrupt, it's the media and the courts. You're on the inside, you should know.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1386 days ago)

I am on the inside and I say the bank is not corrupt. I've been in the financial industry since 1990 so I know a lot about banking.

Banks make money by giving people interest on their deposits and then loaning that money out and charging interest to the people that borrow. The interest paid out versus the interest paid in is called the margin. The larger the margin, the more money is made.

Some people think banks are making too much money or shouldn't be allowed to loan out the money that people deposit because it becomes fractional loaning. This is not corruption but a public opinion. Some people think that they should be able to keep the money they borrowed to pay for their home if they lose their job and cannot pay the bank back. However, the bank will reposess the house. This is not corruption but is the bank trying to minimize their losses.

People that don't want to pay the bank for their services have the option to pay cash for everything. You have other options to borrow money such as a pawn shop. There is no monopoly on financial services so there is no need to use a bank.

Regarding HSBC and the money laundering, that's not bank corruption either. Apparently a couple tellers broke the law but they hold HSBC's CEO accountable for it. That is not corruption either -- just a couple employees doing the wrong thing.

If you have a postal clerk that is a serial killer like Son of Sam (David Berkowitz), does that mean the USPS is corrupt or murderers?

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I am on the inside and I say the bank is not corrupt. I've been in the financial industry since 1990 so I know a lot about banking.

Banks make money by giving people interest on their deposits and then loaning that money out and charging interest to the people that borrow. The interest paid out versus the interest paid in is called the margin. The larger the margin, the more money is made.

Some people think banks are making too much money or shouldn't be allowed to loan out the money that people deposit because it becomes fractional loaning. This is not corruption but a public opinion. Some people think that they should be able to keep the money they borrowed to pay for their home if they lose their job and cannot pay the bank back. However, the bank will reposess the house. This is not corruption but is the bank trying to minimize their losses.

People that don't want to pay the bank for their services have the option to pay cash for everything. You have other options to borrow money such as a pawn shop. There is no monopoly on financial services so there is no need to use a bank.

Regarding HSBC and the money laundering, that's not bank corruption either. Apparently a couple tellers broke the law but they hold HSBC's CEO accountable for it. That is not corruption either -- just a couple employees doing the wrong thing.

If you have a postal clerk that is a serial killer like Son of Sam (David Berkowitz), does that mean the USPS is corrupt or murderers?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)

You fascinate me. When you talk about your personal life, you come across as 100% honest and open. But when you talk about banking, common sense would say you must lying through your teeth because no banker could believe what you just wrote.

Take HSBC - we know the facts because we spoke about this before. HSBC admitted to over $800 billion of money laundering, all over the globe, over 10 years and 3 CEOs. Their own staff and the regulators warned the bank they were going about their dirty businesses too brazenly - several times. And no one was prosecuted because "the financial industry might collapse if some top bankers went to jail".

And you say it's a couple of employees. Really? Are you sure you've been in banking since 1990?

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You fascinate me. When you talk about your personal life, you come across as 100% honest and open. But when you talk about banking, common sense would say you must lying through your teeth because no banker could believe what you just wrote.

Take HSBC - we know the facts because we spoke about this before. HSBC admitted to over $800 billion of money laundering, all over the globe, over 10 years and 3 CEOs. Their own staff and the regulators warned the bank they were going about their dirty businesses too brazenly - several times. And no one was prosecuted because "the financial industry might collapse if some top bankers went to jail".

And you say it's a couple of employees. Really? Are you sure you've been in banking since 1990?

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cengland0 cengland0 (1386 days ago)

You don't understand banking. It is the lowest level employees that accept cash from customers -- not the CEO. You cannot hold the CEO accountable for the illegal actions of a teller. Even if the CEO tells the teller to do something illegal, it's the teller's obligation to refuse (that's in the code of conduct). Once the CEO was made aware of it, I'm certain action was taken to prevent it from happening again. Still, no mater what lengths the CEO goes through, you will still have some employees breaking the law. This is why we have auditors and other oversight so we can catch these issues. We fingerprint and do security background checks on all employees. No felon is allowed to work for the bank and we do drug tests. Even with all this, people will still break the law. What did you expect the CEO to do? Look at every single transaction from every single branch and give his personal signature on it before it can be processed?

You never answered my question about the USPS and if they should be considered murderers or not.

And yes, I have been in the financial industry since 1990. I have been with my current bank since September 2001. Why do you find that hard to believe? I answer all your banking questions accurately and that's just the fundamentals that an entry level employee should be able to answer.

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You don't understand banking. It is the lowest level employees that accept cash from customers -- not the CEO. You cannot hold the CEO accountable for the illegal actions of a teller. Even if the CEO tells the teller to do something illegal, it's the teller's obligation to refuse (that's in the code of conduct). Once the CEO was made aware of it, I'm certain action was taken to prevent it from happening again. Still, no mater what lengths the CEO goes through, you will still have some employees breaking the law. This is why we have auditors and other oversight so we can catch these issues. We fingerprint and do security background checks on all employees. No felon is allowed to work for the bank and we do drug tests. Even with all this, people will still break the law. What did you expect the CEO to do? Look at every single transaction from every single branch and give his personal signature on it before it can be processed?

You never answered my question about the USPS and if they should be considered murderers or not.

And yes, I have been in the financial industry since 1990. I have been with my current bank since September 2001. Why do you find that hard to believe? I answer all your banking questions accurately and that's just the fundamentals that an entry level employee should be able to answer.

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It appears you dont understnd banking or are being dishonest.
Moneyness, inside money, outside money - ring a bell?

The problem with people like you is that you simply haven't developed the level of conscience that most people have and therefore believe that others are inferior because they have.

You have things backwards, kind of like the dunning krugar effect.

Anyway, have a good currency crisis, try not to jump out of a window, you might cause an accident when you hit the ground.

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It appears you dont understnd banking or are being dishonest.
Moneyness, inside money, outside money - ring a bell?

The problem with people like you is that you simply haven't developed the level of conscience that most people have and therefore believe that others are inferior because they have.

You have things backwards, kind of like the dunning krugar effect.

Anyway, have a good currency crisis, try not to jump out of a window, you might cause an accident when you hit the ground.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)

Those couple of HSBC employees must have been pretty busy over the ten years that they laundered $800 billion - thats $80 billion a year, more than Bill Gates has made in his lifetime.

I didn't answer your UPS question because I thought it was stupid. A serial killer doesn't go killing on behalf of USPS. A better question would have been: Was Hitler responsible for murdering Jews - after all, he didn't switch the gas taps on, a couple of his employees did.

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Those couple of HSBC employees must have been pretty busy over the ten years that they laundered $800 billion - thats $80 billion a year, more than Bill Gates has made in his lifetime.

I didn't answer your UPS question because I thought it was stupid. A serial killer doesn't go killing on behalf of USPS. A better question would have been: Was Hitler responsible for murdering Jews - after all, he didn't switch the gas taps on, a couple of his employees did.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1386 days ago)

You don't have all the information necessary to make your statement. How many employees were involved during that 10 years? How many employees were fired over it? You only know the CEO wasn't fired because that's what a particular senator wanted and didn't get.

There is no evidence that the CEO told those HSBC employees to break the law but there is a lot of evidence Hitler ordered the killing of the Jews. Even still, there were high ranking officers involved in those war crimes but no high ranking executive level people told those tellers to accept illegal money and not report it.

So my USPS analogy is valid because the employee was working alone in breaking the law and it did not come from the postmaster general to tell him to do it. Should the postmaster general go to jail because of the illegal actions of one of his low-level employees?

Oh, and before I forget, it's not illegal to accept large amounts of money. I cannot go into too much detail but there is a process the teller does AFTER accepting the money to insure they are doing the correct thing. Failure to follow all appropriate steps can result in termination and legal action. I assure you that it is not the CEO that follows those steps after the money is taken. The legal action taken on the tellers has not been widely disclosed through the media.

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You don't have all the information necessary to make your statement. How many employees were involved during that 10 years? How many employees were fired over it? You only know the CEO wasn't fired because that's what a particular senator wanted and didn't get.

There is no evidence that the CEO told those HSBC employees to break the law but there is a lot of evidence Hitler ordered the killing of the Jews. Even still, there were high ranking officers involved in those war crimes but no high ranking executive level people told those tellers to accept illegal money and not report it.

So my USPS analogy is valid because the employee was working alone in breaking the law and it did not come from the postmaster general to tell him to do it. Should the postmaster general go to jail because of the illegal actions of one of his low-level employees?

Oh, and before I forget, it's not illegal to accept large amounts of money. I cannot go into too much detail but there is a process the teller does AFTER accepting the money to insure they are doing the correct thing. Failure to follow all appropriate steps can result in termination and legal action. I assure you that it is not the CEO that follows those steps after the money is taken. The legal action taken on the tellers has not been widely disclosed through the media.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1386 days ago)

It was you who said "Apparently a couple tellers broke the law", not me. I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of just a couple of tellers laundering $800 billion.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about HSBC, we did that to death before. I'm just trying to figure out whether you genuinely believe that the banking industry is not corrupt, despite the overwelming evidence to the contrary - or whether you know the industry is corrupt, but can't admit it because you hold corporatism with such high regard.

And before you say "what evidence?", just jot up the banking fines since 2008. HSBC's $1.6 billion fine in 2012 was the biggest bank fine ever at the time, only to be dwarfed a year later by JP Morgan's $13 billion fine. Almost every major bank has been fined enormous sums for malpractices of some form, including your beloved BoA.

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It was you who said "Apparently a couple tellers broke the law", not me. I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of just a couple of tellers laundering $800 billion.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about HSBC, we did that to death before. I'm just trying to figure out whether you genuinely believe that the banking industry is not corrupt, despite the overwelming evidence to the contrary - or whether you know the industry is corrupt, but can't admit it because you hold corporatism with such high regard.

And before you say "what evidence?", just jot up the banking fines since 2008. HSBC's $1.6 billion fine in 2012 was the biggest bank fine ever at the time, only to be dwarfed a year later by JP Morgan's $13 billion fine. Almost every major bank has been fined enormous sums for malpractices of some form, including your beloved BoA.

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Guest: (1386 days ago)

let me answer that for you: he's a trolling right wing corporate apologist; almost everything he says is a rationalization that he strugles to believe himself.

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let me answer that for you: he's a trolling right wing corporate apologist; almost everything he says is a rationalization that he strugles to believe himself.

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

why choose to attack david simon but not any of the points made in the post??as for 15mil he's a good tv writter/maker is he now not allowed to get paid well for his hard work??

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why choose to attack david simon but not any of the points made in the post??as for 15mil he's a good tv writter/maker is he now not allowed to get paid well for his hard work??

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

Because he is a hypocrite complaining about capitalism while accepting all that money. Regarding his points, I'll see what I can do to comment on those. In the meantime, here's a good video from another millionaire that appreciates what capitalism does for society.

LINK

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Because he is a hypocrite complaining about capitalism while accepting all that money. Regarding his points, I'll see what I can do to comment on those. In the meantime, here's a good video from another millionaire that appreciates what capitalism does for society.

LINK

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

Kevin O'Leary thinks global inequality is fantastic.you are heading the same way as the romans did.good luck and dont bitch when you all have f**k all oh sorry 99% already have f**k all.capitalism is like a god to you so there is very little point in trying to show you anything different

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Kevin O'Leary thinks global inequality is fantastic.you are heading the same way as the romans did.good luck and dont bitch when you all have f**k all oh sorry 99% already have f**k all.capitalism is like a god to you so there is very little point in trying to show you anything different

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

Here are my comments about David Simon's interview.

“I don’t think you can call the American government anything but broken and the break is at the legislative level. It is the part of the government that has been purchased.” I still maintain that you cannot purchase any of our 3 branches of government. Bribes are illegal and each individual is allowed to donate small amounts of money to a candidate. Corporations are not allowed to donate but the employees working for a company can as individuals. We have gone over and over this by beating this dead horse enough.

“Supply side economics has shown to be bankrupt. “ I disagree. A free market has shown to expand the economy.

“Work is meaning for all of us. Its relevance and our place in society is dictated to us by what we contribute and what we are paid to do. “ I agree with this. Everyone should get out of society an equivalent value of what they put into it. I do not see a problem with this model as it encourages people to work hard and to get higher educations and take business risks to increase their revenue. If everyone received the same from society regardless of what they put into it, you will have a bunch of slackers expecting others to pay their way.

“We’ve become contemptuous of the idea that we are all in this together. It’s all about sharing. There’s a certain percentage of the population that adheres socialism or communism but ultimately we are all part of the same society and it’s either going to be a mediocre society that abuses people or it’s not.” I am against socialism and communism. They both are virtually income redistribution and it takes away incentives for the hard workers.

“We are the country that jails more of our population than any other state on the globe more than totalitarian states. We let some people get a profit off it.” Although this is true, he makes this sound like a bad thing. First, if people break the laws, they should have to deal with the consequences of breaking those laws. If that becomes prison time, so be it. We can significantly reduce the number of prisoners by making drugs legal since that’s the crime for which the majority of prisoners are incarcerated. Regarding the for-profit piece. This is a test in a couple states like Arizona to see if the government saves money or loses money. This is not a program that has been rolled out nationally. It also does not encourage the police to arrest more people like some think because they need a specific occupancy rate in those prisons. What generally happens is we have so many people in prison if it did get below the threshold, we would just transfer a prisoner from a state run prison to the private one. At this point, we have no problem keeping those beds full because we have more criminals than space to put them. People are being sent home before their sentence is up to make room for newly arriving criminals.

“Anybody that tells you markets will solve everything (the libertarian ideal) I can get past just how juvenile the thought is.” He did not state why so I have no comment.

“America worked when there was tension between capital and labor. We became a consumer economy that drove the world for half a century, maybe a little more. Labor has lost the fight. Capital has won. The working people lost.” Seems he’s wrong here because some of us are still in the working class and are doing just fine. David Simon is in the working class too and he has 15 million. So how did this fail?

“Give us, the job makers, the money and we will make jobs. Not all of it you won’t. A lot of it goes to wall street.” David Simon doesn’t understand how investments work then. If you buy Apple stock, you are buying it from someone that is selling it. That person ends up with the cash and you end up with the Stock. The Apple company needed the initial investment to expand their business by creating buildings, hiring employees, and doing research and development. All those put people to work.

“If how much money you have is the defining characteristic of citizenship or of value or of relevance if that is all we are going to measure, since 1980, that’s all we are going to measure, you’re going to get a society that is structured on that metric. That’s going to be brutal one. But capitalism is not delivered on the promise to be a measurement other than money or profit and if profit is your only measure, what are you building? Where does the environment fit into that? Where does human potential for anything other than having some money in your hand. Where do people stand when they have health needs or when they make a mistake in life. It has been stated that you rate a society by it’s hospitals and prisons. By that standard we have a lot to be ashamed of.” The environment is part of the formula. That’s why we have the EPA and laws that force companies to not pollute. What human potential other than money do we care about? You want someone in society that has a great potential for destroying computers but there is only loss in that and absolutely nothing to gain? We put values on what is important to our society and pay more for the most important things. Apparently we think a football player is extremely important to society because they get paid millions while a roofer gets paid $18.63/hr on average. Although I disagree about those football player salaries, this is what society determines is their worth. Those people holding a sign at the edge of a street making minimum wage can be done by a monkey so we are only willing to pay minimum wage for that role. Increase that minimum wage and those people may be out of a job. They could just do without that employee or create a permanent sign for their business with a single investment.

He says most american said they wanted universal healthcare. Actually, the opposite is true. The citizens did not want it but since we are a representative republic instead of a true democracy, the house and senate both passed the bill against the will of the citizens.

“Everyone should have access to basic healthcare and that seems to be what many western countries managed very well but we have not.” Everyone does have access to basic healthcare in the USA. If you go to the emergency room, you will never be turned down for services regardless of your ability to pay. However, you will get a bill eventually and will be expected to pay. If you don't want that bill, then buy health insurance. The doctors went through a lot of schooling and internships to get that job so they need to be compensated for their services. They are not a charity. Regarding other countries managing it well, that’s wrong. Look at the UK for an example. They have problems with patient stacking and people trying to get into the emergency room for a heart attack but not being seen fast enough because they cannot handle the amount of free services people want with the few people willing to provide those services. It turns out that some of the rich people don’t want to use their free options any longer and are going to private hospitals by paying for the service. This way they have a better chance of survival in the event of an emergency. A private health insurance network has even started so people can afford to go to those private hospitals. In the USA, if you need a hip replacement, you can get one relative quick. Using the UK NHS system, plan on waiting a long time.

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Here are my comments about David Simon's interview.

“I don’t think you can call the American government anything but broken and the break is at the legislative level. It is the part of the government that has been purchased.” I still maintain that you cannot purchase any of our 3 branches of government. Bribes are illegal and each individual is allowed to donate small amounts of money to a candidate. Corporations are not allowed to donate but the employees working for a company can as individuals. We have gone over and over this by beating this dead horse enough.

“Supply side economics has shown to be bankrupt. “ I disagree. A free market has shown to expand the economy.

“Work is meaning for all of us. Its relevance and our place in society is dictated to us by what we contribute and what we are paid to do. “ I agree with this. Everyone should get out of society an equivalent value of what they put into it. I do not see a problem with this model as it encourages people to work hard and to get higher educations and take business risks to increase their revenue. If everyone received the same from society regardless of what they put into it, you will have a bunch of slackers expecting others to pay their way.

“We’ve become contemptuous of the idea that we are all in this together. It’s all about sharing. There’s a certain percentage of the population that adheres socialism or communism but ultimately we are all part of the same society and it’s either going to be a mediocre society that abuses people or it’s not.” I am against socialism and communism. They both are virtually income redistribution and it takes away incentives for the hard workers.

“We are the country that jails more of our population than any other state on the globe more than totalitarian states. We let some people get a profit off it.” Although this is true, he makes this sound like a bad thing. First, if people break the laws, they should have to deal with the consequences of breaking those laws. If that becomes prison time, so be it. We can significantly reduce the number of prisoners by making drugs legal since that’s the crime for which the majority of prisoners are incarcerated. Regarding the for-profit piece. This is a test in a couple states like Arizona to see if the government saves money or loses money. This is not a program that has been rolled out nationally. It also does not encourage the police to arrest more people like some think because they need a specific occupancy rate in those prisons. What generally happens is we have so many people in prison if it did get below the threshold, we would just transfer a prisoner from a state run prison to the private one. At this point, we have no problem keeping those beds full because we have more criminals than space to put them. People are being sent home before their sentence is up to make room for newly arriving criminals.

“Anybody that tells you markets will solve everything (the libertarian ideal) I can get past just how juvenile the thought is.” He did not state why so I have no comment.

“America worked when there was tension between capital and labor. We became a consumer economy that drove the world for half a century, maybe a little more. Labor has lost the fight. Capital has won. The working people lost.” Seems he’s wrong here because some of us are still in the working class and are doing just fine. David Simon is in the working class too and he has 15 million. So how did this fail?

“Give us, the job makers, the money and we will make jobs. Not all of it you won’t. A lot of it goes to wall street.” David Simon doesn’t understand how investments work then. If you buy Apple stock, you are buying it from someone that is selling it. That person ends up with the cash and you end up with the Stock. The Apple company needed the initial investment to expand their business by creating buildings, hiring employees, and doing research and development. All those put people to work.

“If how much money you have is the defining characteristic of citizenship or of value or of relevance if that is all we are going to measure, since 1980, that’s all we are going to measure, you’re going to get a society that is structured on that metric. That’s going to be brutal one. But capitalism is not delivered on the promise to be a measurement other than money or profit and if profit is your only measure, what are you building? Where does the environment fit into that? Where does human potential for anything other than having some money in your hand. Where do people stand when they have health needs or when they make a mistake in life. It has been stated that you rate a society by it’s hospitals and prisons. By that standard we have a lot to be ashamed of.” The environment is part of the formula. That’s why we have the EPA and laws that force companies to not pollute. What human potential other than money do we care about? You want someone in society that has a great potential for destroying computers but there is only loss in that and absolutely nothing to gain? We put values on what is important to our society and pay more for the most important things. Apparently we think a football player is extremely important to society because they get paid millions while a roofer gets paid $18.63/hr on average. Although I disagree about those football player salaries, this is what society determines is their worth. Those people holding a sign at the edge of a street making minimum wage can be done by a monkey so we are only willing to pay minimum wage for that role. Increase that minimum wage and those people may be out of a job. They could just do without that employee or create a permanent sign for their business with a single investment.

He says most american said they wanted universal healthcare. Actually, the opposite is true. The citizens did not want it but since we are a representative republic instead of a true democracy, the house and senate both passed the bill against the will of the citizens.

“Everyone should have access to basic healthcare and that seems to be what many western countries managed very well but we have not.” Everyone does have access to basic healthcare in the USA. If you go to the emergency room, you will never be turned down for services regardless of your ability to pay. However, you will get a bill eventually and will be expected to pay. If you don't want that bill, then buy health insurance. The doctors went through a lot of schooling and internships to get that job so they need to be compensated for their services. They are not a charity. Regarding other countries managing it well, that’s wrong. Look at the UK for an example. They have problems with patient stacking and people trying to get into the emergency room for a heart attack but not being seen fast enough because they cannot handle the amount of free services people want with the few people willing to provide those services. It turns out that some of the rich people don’t want to use their free options any longer and are going to private hospitals by paying for the service. This way they have a better chance of survival in the event of an emergency. A private health insurance network has even started so people can afford to go to those private hospitals. In the USA, if you need a hip replacement, you can get one relative quick. Using the UK NHS system, plan on waiting a long time.

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

i thought davids post was a good insight into whats going wrong in the usa.but it does'nt go along with your capitailistic god so no point in me reposting about that.as for the u.k nhs yes there are horror stories but so has the usa.to put you right if you turn up at a&e you will be seen right away if you turn up with a cut finger you will have to wait if you are on deaths door you will be looked at straight away.the problem is the nhs has to may people turn up to a&e with a cut finger and can't understand why there are not seen first.the nhs is not a free service i pay for it and has work well for may years and would still work well but peoples views have changed to f**k you as long as i am alright which appears to be something we caught from the usa and the capitailistic way

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i thought davids post was a good insight into whats going wrong in the usa.but it does'nt go along with your capitailistic god so no point in me reposting about that.as for the u.k nhs yes there are horror stories but so has the usa.to put you right if you turn up at a&e you will be seen right away if you turn up with a cut finger you will have to wait if you are on deaths door you will be looked at straight away.the problem is the nhs has to may people turn up to a&e with a cut finger and can't understand why there are not seen first.the nhs is not a free service i pay for it and has work well for may years and would still work well but peoples views have changed to f**k you as long as i am alright which appears to be something we caught from the usa and the capitailistic way

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

At your request, I commented on all his points and you only responde to my NHS one? I spent a lot of time on that for you so I thought you'd come back with more than just that one statement.

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At your request, I commented on all his points and you only responde to my NHS one? I spent a lot of time on that for you so I thought you'd come back with more than just that one statement.

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

i thankyou for spending the time to reply to my request which i have read.at no time did a say that i would respond back.the request was made to see what your take was on the post and you appear to have missed the message in this post yet again

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i thankyou for spending the time to reply to my request which i have read.at no time did a say that i would respond back.the request was made to see what your take was on the post and you appear to have missed the message in this post yet again

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

It's like that was written by a 10 year old. I stopped reading it when they said "Nothing in WalMart is made in America." So just the other day I went to Walmart and bought some soda that is not sold in the Target store closer to my home. I just looked at the bottle and it's made in the USA -- Texas to be more specific.

Walmart also has a pledge to bring more USA made products into their stores. They plan on buying an additional 50 billion dollars in USA made products.

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It's like that was written by a 10 year old. I stopped reading it when they said "Nothing in WalMart is made in America." So just the other day I went to Walmart and bought some soda that is not sold in the Target store closer to my home. I just looked at the bottle and it's made in the USA -- Texas to be more specific.

Walmart also has a pledge to bring more USA made products into their stores. They plan on buying an additional 50 billion dollars in USA made products.

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tornadodog tornadodog (1387 days ago)

why choose to attack david simon but not any of the points made in the post??as for 15mil he's a good tv writter/maker is he now not allowed to get paid well for his hard work??

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why choose to attack david simon but not any of the points made in the post??as for 15mil he's a good tv writter/maker is he now not allowed to get paid well for his hard work??

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tornadodog tornadodog (1388 days ago)

this man has a very good understanding of the problems that the usa has.some very good points made lets hope the people who matter can change.but sadly he asnswered that too "its all about me f**k the rest

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this man has a very good understanding of the problems that the usa has.some very good points made lets hope the people who matter can change.but sadly he asnswered that too "its all about me f**k the rest

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Guest: paul w (1387 days ago)

CenglandO

"When I had no money and criticized capitalism, they called me jealous. When I had money and criticized capitalism, they called me a hypocrite."

So, according to you, one needs to be poor to criticize capitalism?

Fail.

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"When I had no money and criticized capitalism, they called me jealous. When I had money and criticized capitalism, they called me a hypocrite."

So, according to you, one needs to be poor to criticize capitalism?

Fail.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

You can be rich and still criticize capitalism but if you are sincere about it, then you would give away all your millions to the poor. They want redistribution of wealth so why not start doing it voluntarily. David Simon isn't sincere because he has kept 15 million and there are still people out of work in his city so that's what makes him a hypocrite.

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You can be rich and still criticize capitalism but if you are sincere about it, then you would give away all your millions to the poor. They want redistribution of wealth so why not start doing it voluntarily. David Simon isn't sincere because he has kept 15 million and there are still people out of work in his city so that's what makes him a hypocrite.

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Guest: (1386 days ago)

flawed logic. Criticism and charity are not synonyms. Sincere criticism is also not synonymous to charity. Redistribution of wealth can be confused to charity but it's inherently different. But you know these things allready since you work for bank of america, so why are you trolling?

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flawed logic. Criticism and charity are not synonyms. Sincere criticism is also not synonymous to charity. Redistribution of wealth can be confused to charity but it's inherently different. But you know these things allready since you work for bank of america, so why are you trolling?

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Guest: guest103 (1387 days ago)

perhaps you fellas should read this book. More here LINK

says here that capitalism and democracy are not compatible. what a surprise...

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perhaps you fellas should read this book. More here LINK

says here that capitalism and democracy are not compatible. what a surprise...

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cengland0 cengland0 (1387 days ago)

Sorry but your link does not work.

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Sorry but your link does not work.

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Guest: guest103 (1386 days ago)

sorry about that. please correct this, you also have to remove the spaces: LINK DOT nytimes DOT com/2014/01/29/opinion/ca pitalism-vs-democracy.htm l?_r=0 . It also turns out that corruption is endemic to capitalism... who knew? find out more in this link: LINK DOT com/2014/02/04/curing-cor rupt-capitalism/

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sorry about that. please correct this, you also have to remove the spaces: LINK DOT nytimes DOT com/2014/01/29/opinion/ca pitalism-vs-democracy.htm l?_r=0 . It also turns out that corruption is endemic to capitalism... who knew? find out more in this link: LINK DOT com/2014/02/04/curing-cor rupt-capitalism/

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Guest: guest103 (1386 days ago)

oh, heck... that didn't work... nytimes DOT com/2014/01/29/opinion/ca pitalism-vs-democracy.htm l?_r=0 and billmoyers DOT com/2014/02/04/curing-cor rupt-capitalism/ . And here's me trying to insert the links to the webpages LINK and LINK

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oh, heck... that didn't work... nytimes DOT com/2014/01/29/opinion/ca pitalism-vs-democracy.htm l?_r=0 and billmoyers DOT com/2014/02/04/curing-cor rupt-capitalism/ . And here's me trying to insert the links to the webpages LINK and LINK

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