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(3:09) What is the meaning of life, from a humanist's point of view. Stephen Fry narrates.

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Guest: mathematician (1333 days ago)

So, the "way to find meaning in life is to live it". Sounds circular to me. How do we know when we've found "meaning in life"? What does "living it" mean? And that's not all - his argument was so full of presuppositions I lost count. How does he know that meaning is internal and not external? Why should meaning be individual and not communal?

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So, the "way to find meaning in life is to live it". Sounds circular to me. How do we know when we've found "meaning in life"? What does "living it" mean? And that's not all - his argument was so full of presuppositions I lost count. How does he know that meaning is internal and not external? Why should meaning be individual and not communal?

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Guest: Sat (1333 days ago)
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hear hear

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hear hear

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Guest: Sat (1335 days ago)

to me, the conclusion sounds a lot like buy buy buy, spend spend spend.

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to me, the conclusion sounds a lot like buy buy buy, spend spend spend.

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Guest: Andrew989 (1335 days ago)

As I can't find one single reference to buying, spending, possessions or any form of materialism I can only assume you're joking? Alternatively if that's your only interpretation of carpe diem the problem lies more with you than Stephen Fry.

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As I can't find one single reference to buying, spending, possessions or any form of materialism I can only assume you're joking? Alternatively if that's your only interpretation of carpe diem the problem lies more with you than Stephen Fry.

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Guest: Sat (1335 days ago)

can you only assume i'm joking, or are you not sure about that? can you be sure that my intepretetion of carpe diem is only that before you judge? have you not seen the other comments?

I can also play the assumption game: since you see mister Fry as one of your idols, who's opinions matter you, you get defensive when someone questions his opinions because you feel that your identity (which is partly built on such opinions) is somewhat threatened and you feel the need to defend it. The easiest way you in particular can do that is to be pedantic and resort to discreditation.

now how right was i?

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can you only assume i'm joking, or are you not sure about that? can you be sure that my intepretetion of carpe diem is only that before you judge? have you not seen the other comments?

I can also play the assumption game: since you see mister Fry as one of your idols, who's opinions matter you, you get defensive when someone questions his opinions because you feel that your identity (which is partly built on such opinions) is somewhat threatened and you feel the need to defend it. The easiest way you in particular can do that is to be pedantic and resort to discreditation.

now how right was i?

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Guest: Guesting (1334 days ago)

Ouch. I was wondering whether I should reply, pointing out that there is nothing in the original message supporting your view. Then I read you last post and saw a troll. Too bad.

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Ouch. I was wondering whether I should reply, pointing out that there is nothing in the original message supporting your view. Then I read you last post and saw a troll. Too bad.

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Guest: Sat (1334 days ago)

you see a lot of things where there isn't anything to see, and you don't see things where there are things to see.

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you see a lot of things where there isn't anything to see, and you don't see things where there are things to see.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1334 days ago)

You are projecting what you think other people's idea of 'meaning in life' is. When Stephen Fry said "get on and live it" (2:20), he did not mean "get on and live it up" - unless of course that's what gives you meaning in life.

You are assuming that most people would 'live it' by becoming bigger consumers. Who knows, but I hope you're wrong.

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You are projecting what you think other people's idea of 'meaning in life' is. When Stephen Fry said "get on and live it" (2:20), he did not mean "get on and live it up" - unless of course that's what gives you meaning in life.

You are assuming that most people would 'live it' by becoming bigger consumers. Who knows, but I hope you're wrong.

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Guest: Sat (1334 days ago)

i think i said "to me, the conclusion sounds a lot like buy buy buy, spend spend spend. "

notice the "T O ME ".

To adress your comment, that's not what gives me meaning in life, but yes, i do think that the subliminal message being sent to most people is buy buy buy, spend spend spend, and hence the comment.

Usually, when people "live life" (not necessarily live it up) they travel, they buy things, they do things; most of those things cost money, and considering the current global situation, it is my impression that mister Fry said this at a certain point in time, and this thing is being brought up now and every time "smart" people want other people to spend, buy, consume, get a loan and work more.

Bread and circus, eat well (here , have these food stamps), entertain yourself however you wish, you know, live life, get on and live it.

If this were a christian site, we would have had a similar message from a different "opinion leader", but since it's an atheist site, we get a well packaged message from mister Fry.

What bothers me is that these videos seem to appear at the same time on multiple other websites, as if someone gives out the topics of the day and the rest just copy. You find yourself with a subliminal message that is being sent to those people who aspire to be seen as "above average" (at least) if not "intelligent", and people just goble it up, without thinking about it.

You hope i'm wrong, i know i'm right (gut feeling) and just wanted to point it out.

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i think i said "to me, the conclusion sounds a lot like buy buy buy, spend spend spend. "

notice the "T O ME ".

To adress your comment, that's not what gives me meaning in life, but yes, i do think that the subliminal message being sent to most people is buy buy buy, spend spend spend, and hence the comment.

Usually, when people "live life" (not necessarily live it up) they travel, they buy things, they do things; most of those things cost money, and considering the current global situation, it is my impression that mister Fry said this at a certain point in time, and this thing is being brought up now and every time "smart" people want other people to spend, buy, consume, get a loan and work more.

Bread and circus, eat well (here , have these food stamps), entertain yourself however you wish, you know, live life, get on and live it.

If this were a christian site, we would have had a similar message from a different "opinion leader", but since it's an atheist site, we get a well packaged message from mister Fry.

What bothers me is that these videos seem to appear at the same time on multiple other websites, as if someone gives out the topics of the day and the rest just copy. You find yourself with a subliminal message that is being sent to those people who aspire to be seen as "above average" (at least) if not "intelligent", and people just goble it up, without thinking about it.

You hope i'm wrong, i know i'm right (gut feeling) and just wanted to point it out.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1334 days ago)

I'm not sure we understand each other. I'm saying, the reason why TO YOU it sounds like buy buy buy, spend spend spend, is not because you feel that way, but because you think other people feel that way. The 'subliminal' message is coming from you, not Stephen Fry.

Just as an atheist watching one of Tim Keller's videos recently on BoreMe will just facepalm, whereas a Christian will take him most seriously. The different reaction is not because the message differs - the videos are exactly the same whether watched by an atheist or Christian, whether on BoreMe or a Christian blog - but because the interpreter is a different person and interprets that same video differently.

Stephen Fry didn't even hint at consumerism, that was your interpretation based on what you believe other people are like.

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I'm not sure we understand each other. I'm saying, the reason why TO YOU it sounds like buy buy buy, spend spend spend, is not because you feel that way, but because you think other people feel that way. The 'subliminal' message is coming from you, not Stephen Fry.

Just as an atheist watching one of Tim Keller's videos recently on BoreMe will just facepalm, whereas a Christian will take him most seriously. The different reaction is not because the message differs - the videos are exactly the same whether watched by an atheist or Christian, whether on BoreMe or a Christian blog - but because the interpreter is a different person and interprets that same video differently.

Stephen Fry didn't even hint at consumerism, that was your interpretation based on what you believe other people are like.

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Guest: Sat (1334 days ago)

fair enough!

i still think my interpretation is correct.

do you disagree? do you think most people don't have to spend money if they take mister Fry's advice to go out and live life?

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fair enough!

i still think my interpretation is correct.

do you disagree? do you think most people don't have to spend money if they take mister Fry's advice to go out and live life?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1334 days ago)

I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation. Of course we all spend money, even if it's just to eat - but when you say "buy buy buy, spend spend spend", I assume you are talking about rampant materialism. There's a big difference between buying a washing machine, and obsessing over the latest Nikes.

I think there's a hippy in all of us. If you start questioning the meaning of life, that hippy tends to come out.

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I'm not sure I agree with your interpretation. Of course we all spend money, even if it's just to eat - but when you say "buy buy buy, spend spend spend", I assume you are talking about rampant materialism. There's a big difference between buying a washing machine, and obsessing over the latest Nikes.

I think there's a hippy in all of us. If you start questioning the meaning of life, that hippy tends to come out.

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Guest: Sat (1334 days ago)

so you're not sure.

ok, got it.

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so you're not sure.

ok, got it.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1335 days ago)

That's your interpretation of "the way to find meaning in life is to get on a live it as fully and well as we can". If "buy buy buy, spend spend spend" is what floats your boat, then please go ahead. At least it's good for jobs.

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That's your interpretation of "the way to find meaning in life is to get on a live it as fully and well as we can". If "buy buy buy, spend spend spend" is what floats your boat, then please go ahead. At least it's good for jobs.

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Guest: Sat (1335 days ago)

no it's not what floats my boat. that's what i'm saying, he's sending this message of "carpe diem" packaged in an eloquent wrapping and branded by his name.

It's still Carpe diem, and i find that very conumeristic, whether he's aware of it or not. Or maybe i'm seeing too much where there's nothing of value.

He probabbly said that at a certain point in time, and the machine just regurigitates it every once in a while.

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no it's not what floats my boat. that's what i'm saying, he's sending this message of "carpe diem" packaged in an eloquent wrapping and branded by his name.

It's still Carpe diem, and i find that very conumeristic, whether he's aware of it or not. Or maybe i'm seeing too much where there's nothing of value.

He probabbly said that at a certain point in time, and the machine just regurigitates it every once in a while.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1335 days ago)

I have to look up a few words before I can reply.

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I have to look up a few words before I can reply.

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Guest: Sat (1335 days ago)

i detect sarcasm

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i detect sarcasm

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