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China vs USA -  Earthquake magnitude 6

China vs USA - Earthquake magnitude 6

(1:28) Two earthquakes of similar magnitude struck in Aust 2014, one in Napa, California, the other in Southwestern China... with very different results.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1198 days ago)

Hey libertarians, this is why we have regulations.

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Hey libertarians, this is why we have regulations.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

I agree to have regulations for a commercial building where the general public would enter the building but I should have the right to die in my own home if I want to build cheaply.

Here is a real life scenario. I'm about to replace the shingles on the roof of one of my houses. The code has changed since I had this house built so I have to spend a lot more money getting the existing wood underlayment to code before new shingles can be added. It's my house so I should be able to do whatever I want. Unfortunately, the new regulations will cost me thousands and that is completely bogus.

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I agree to have regulations for a commercial building where the general public would enter the building but I should have the right to die in my own home if I want to build cheaply.

Here is a real life scenario. I'm about to replace the shingles on the roof of one of my houses. The code has changed since I had this house built so I have to spend a lot more money getting the existing wood underlayment to code before new shingles can be added. It's my house so I should be able to do whatever I want. Unfortunately, the new regulations will cost me thousands and that is completely bogus.

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TheBob TheBob (1197 days ago)

You should also have "I built cheaply, do not rescue me" tattooed on your head so the emergency sevices know to leave you there and save public money.

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You should also have "I built cheaply, do not rescue me" tattooed on your head so the emergency sevices know to leave you there and save public money.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

What public money? In a true libertarin society, I would pay for the rescue crew if I need it. If my house burns down and I call the fire department, I would pay for that service. That's how it shoud work. Everyone pays for the services they use and not for services that everyone else is using.

We have insurance for fire and hurricane so why not rescue? If my house burns down, my insurance company will pay to rebuild my house.

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What public money? In a true libertarin society, I would pay for the rescue crew if I need it. If my house burns down and I call the fire department, I would pay for that service. That's how it shoud work. Everyone pays for the services they use and not for services that everyone else is using.

We have insurance for fire and hurricane so why not rescue? If my house burns down, my insurance company will pay to rebuild my house.

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Guest: Bollo (1197 days ago)

and if you're poor you can just burn, right? and if there weren't building regulations insurance premiums would go through the roof, as companies wouldn't know what they were insuring (unless they inspect every individual house, which would also cost big time) ... even if your house was properly constructed you'd be paying to cover things like some idiot having to claim because he didn't use the right materials on his roof

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and if you're poor you can just burn, right? and if there weren't building regulations insurance premiums would go through the roof, as companies wouldn't know what they were insuring (unless they inspect every individual house, which would also cost big time) ... even if your house was properly constructed you'd be paying to cover things like some idiot having to claim because he didn't use the right materials on his roof

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

If you're poor, you could finally afford a house instead of living on the street.

It's possible insurance rates may increase but that's an acceptable part of doing business. You save money constructing your home and then pay more for insurance. It could equal out so people might be encouraged to build their house properly but they shouldn't be forced to.

If you believe in socialism, why not have a state insurance and just increase taxes. This way everyone that owns a house is insured. In my libertarian society, everyone pays for the services they use. As always, I have an exception for the police department that should be paid by tax dollars and I've mentioned this exception in previous comments too.

Here's something you probably didn't know. I have a friend that lives in the country. They have a well for drinking and sceptic tanks for their sewage. The city widened one of the roads going through that part of town and installed pipes for public water and sewage. Did you know that they were forced to use that service even though they wanted to continue using their own well and sceptic? Both of those come with a monthly fee even if you do not use any of the water. That’s the problem with government control.

Another interesting thing. If you wanted to build a house, you must have electricity installed. There are codes that even specify how many electrical outlets must be in each room and the maximum distance they can be apart. So tell me this, since that is not a safety issue that would cause the house to fall down during an earthquake, why do they force you to have electricity if you may not want it? That is too much government control over our lives and property.

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If you're poor, you could finally afford a house instead of living on the street.

It's possible insurance rates may increase but that's an acceptable part of doing business. You save money constructing your home and then pay more for insurance. It could equal out so people might be encouraged to build their house properly but they shouldn't be forced to.

If you believe in socialism, why not have a state insurance and just increase taxes. This way everyone that owns a house is insured. In my libertarian society, everyone pays for the services they use. As always, I have an exception for the police department that should be paid by tax dollars and I've mentioned this exception in previous comments too.

Here's something you probably didn't know. I have a friend that lives in the country. They have a well for drinking and sceptic tanks for their sewage. The city widened one of the roads going through that part of town and installed pipes for public water and sewage. Did you know that they were forced to use that service even though they wanted to continue using their own well and sceptic? Both of those come with a monthly fee even if you do not use any of the water. That’s the problem with government control.

Another interesting thing. If you wanted to build a house, you must have electricity installed. There are codes that even specify how many electrical outlets must be in each room and the maximum distance they can be apart. So tell me this, since that is not a safety issue that would cause the house to fall down during an earthquake, why do they force you to have electricity if you may not want it? That is too much government control over our lives and property.

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TheBob TheBob (1197 days ago)

Surely, then, you're obliged to build shoddy houses that fall down frequently in order to create jobs - otherwise rescue crews wouldn't exist: why should I get a job in a rescue crew if I only got paid when someone needs rescuing? My family would starve.

Or there's a balance between the number of rescue crews and the number of people who need rescuing - so it might take a long time for your nearest crew to turn up because they're looking after such a large area.

Then you'd have to hope the house collapsed with you somewhere near your papers - so you could show your insurance was fully paid up. Why would they bother to rescue you if they were not sure you had sufficient funds to pay them for their effort?

And of course you couldn't rely on your neighbours to pull you out because they'd be wondering if you'd pay them back by pulling them out at a later date. You don't get "owt for nowt" in this American Dream Libertarian society.

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Surely, then, you're obliged to build shoddy houses that fall down frequently in order to create jobs - otherwise rescue crews wouldn't exist: why should I get a job in a rescue crew if I only got paid when someone needs rescuing? My family would starve.

Or there's a balance between the number of rescue crews and the number of people who need rescuing - so it might take a long time for your nearest crew to turn up because they're looking after such a large area.

Then you'd have to hope the house collapsed with you somewhere near your papers - so you could show your insurance was fully paid up. Why would they bother to rescue you if they were not sure you had sufficient funds to pay them for their effort?

And of course you couldn't rely on your neighbours to pull you out because they'd be wondering if you'd pay them back by pulling them out at a later date. You don't get "owt for nowt" in this American Dream Libertarian society.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

Using your philosophy, everyone should try to become a rescue person in a socialist economy because the job would be terribly easy just sitting around all day and still getting paid. Talk to your local fireman or EMT and tell me how busy they say they are. Many of them do not even have time to take a lunch break.

You wouldn’t need to show your insurance papers just like today when you go to the doctor. They do not require that you have insurance before curing you. If you do not have insurance, you get billed for it and may need to make monthly payments.

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Using your philosophy, everyone should try to become a rescue person in a socialist economy because the job would be terribly easy just sitting around all day and still getting paid. Talk to your local fireman or EMT and tell me how busy they say they are. Many of them do not even have time to take a lunch break.

You wouldn’t need to show your insurance papers just like today when you go to the doctor. They do not require that you have insurance before curing you. If you do not have insurance, you get billed for it and may need to make monthly payments.

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TheBob TheBob (1197 days ago)

Obviously not - the public purse ("to each according to his needs, from each according to his ability") pays for the number of emergency services workers needed to keep society generally safe. People apply to join and are accepted/rejected according to job availability and their own ability to perform.

Using your "I'm all right, Jack" philosophy means only paying for the army to invade the countries you want. Actually, that's not a bad idea.

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Obviously not - the public purse ("to each according to his needs, from each according to his ability") pays for the number of emergency services workers needed to keep society generally safe. People apply to join and are accepted/rejected according to job availability and their own ability to perform.

Using your "I'm all right, Jack" philosophy means only paying for the army to invade the countries you want. Actually, that's not a bad idea.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

The military and local police are exempt from libertarianism. I have stated this many times in previous threads. Obviously we need to defend our country and everyone pitches in to pay for that.

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The military and local police are exempt from libertarianism. I have stated this many times in previous threads. Obviously we need to defend our country and everyone pitches in to pay for that.

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TheBob TheBob (1197 days ago)

What about defending your country from SARS, swine flu, HIV? Should you not have a public health campaign to warn about the transmission of such diseases and conditions?

After 9/11 (under the Libertarians), would the fire service undertake a huge administrative burden to match up all the people rescued against their insurance policies - and then bill (on a monthly basis) all those who did not have any cover?

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What about defending your country from SARS, swine flu, HIV? Should you not have a public health campaign to warn about the transmission of such diseases and conditions?

After 9/11 (under the Libertarians), would the fire service undertake a huge administrative burden to match up all the people rescued against their insurance policies - and then bill (on a monthly basis) all those who did not have any cover?

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)

“What about defending your country from SARS, swine flu, HIV?” I cannot remember a time when the CDC notified me of anything regarding a potential epidemic. I see it on the news.

Perhaps the CDC or other agency might want to stock pile some vaccines in case there is an epidemic. Rumor has it that our Fort Knox holds those vaccines and there is very little gold left at the site. A lot of that gold was in a vault under one of the twin towers and it needed to be recovered immediately after the tragedy. I would imagine everyone would pay for their own shot if it needed to be administered.

“After 9/11 (under the Libertarians), would the fire service undertake a huge administrative burden to match up all the people rescued against their insurance policies” I bet all the injured people that received medical care were billed by the doctors and hospitals so why would the rescue service be any different?

I had to call 911 (our emergency number here in the USA0 for an ambulance and it cost me $382.26 for that 3 mile trip to the hospital. The base rate for the call was $363 plus $6.42/mile for 3 miles. Seems a little excessive but that’s what the service costs. It was one driver and one EMT. Took about 30 minutes of their time. I had the option of asking Mrs. cengland0 to drive me there or call the ambulance. I knew it would cost me but you would need to be in the same situation to realize that it was supposed to be worth it. (On a side note, I should have had Mrs. cengland0 drive me because it was actually poor service and she could have done a similar job). The ambulance company got paid and nobody else in the community had to pitch in to pay for the service provided to me. That’s the way a libertarian society is supposed to work.

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“What about defending your country from SARS, swine flu, HIV?” I cannot remember a time when the CDC notified me of anything regarding a potential epidemic. I see it on the news.

Perhaps the CDC or other agency might want to stock pile some vaccines in case there is an epidemic. Rumor has it that our Fort Knox holds those vaccines and there is very little gold left at the site. A lot of that gold was in a vault under one of the twin towers and it needed to be recovered immediately after the tragedy. I would imagine everyone would pay for their own shot if it needed to be administered.

“After 9/11 (under the Libertarians), would the fire service undertake a huge administrative burden to match up all the people rescued against their insurance policies” I bet all the injured people that received medical care were billed by the doctors and hospitals so why would the rescue service be any different?

I had to call 911 (our emergency number here in the USA0 for an ambulance and it cost me $382.26 for that 3 mile trip to the hospital. The base rate for the call was $363 plus $6.42/mile for 3 miles. Seems a little excessive but that’s what the service costs. It was one driver and one EMT. Took about 30 minutes of their time. I had the option of asking Mrs. cengland0 to drive me there or call the ambulance. I knew it would cost me but you would need to be in the same situation to realize that it was supposed to be worth it. (On a side note, I should have had Mrs. cengland0 drive me because it was actually poor service and she could have done a similar job). The ambulance company got paid and nobody else in the community had to pitch in to pay for the service provided to me. That’s the way a libertarian society is supposed to work.

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TheBob TheBob (1197 days ago)

It was probably so expensive because someone's making a profit out of the service.

Still - you provided someone with a job, so that's good.

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It was probably so expensive because someone's making a profit out of the service.

Still - you provided someone with a job, so that's good.

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cengland0 cengland0 (1197 days ago)
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But in your view, this libertarian service that I was provided could not work. People wouldn’t have jobs according to you and that’s why emergency services like this must be socialized. I think it works just fine and I paid for the service I received and nobody else was burdened because of my needs.

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But in your view, this libertarian service that I was provided could not work. People wouldn’t have jobs according to you and that’s why emergency services like this must be socialized. I think it works just fine and I paid for the service I received and nobody else was burdened because of my needs.

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Guest: (1199 days ago)

Well, there is an obvious contrast between the results. But I was missing Japan... Plenty of 6+ earthquakes there, but hardly ever destroyed homes or fatalities. Especially the "death per earthquake" graph was ridiculous. Or does the population of Alaska compare somehow to Japan?

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Well, there is an obvious contrast between the results. But I was missing Japan... Plenty of 6+ earthquakes there, but hardly ever destroyed homes or fatalities. Especially the "death per earthquake" graph was ridiculous. Or does the population of Alaska compare somehow to Japan?

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