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The Economist - Why eating insects makes sense

The Economist - Why eating insects makes sense

(2:10) How do we feed a growing population projected to reach 11 billion people by the end of the century? The Economist explains why eating bugs could be the answer.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1118 days ago)

Did you hear that @1:27 WalterEgo? In case you didn’t listen, it says, “Livestock production accounts for 1/5th of all greenhouse gas emissions. That’s more than transport.” So why not go vegetarian or start eating those insects if you really care about the planet like you seem to.

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Did you hear that @1:27 WalterEgo? In case you didn’t listen, it says, “Livestock production accounts for 1/5th of all greenhouse gas emissions. That’s more than transport.” So why not go vegetarian or start eating those insects if you really care about the planet like you seem to.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1117 days ago)

Actually I am pretty much a vegetarian. I don't buy meat, but if I visit my mum and she has made a steaming lamb casserole, I will eat it.

I've been interested in the climate change issue for a long time now, and even I only found out about the carbon footprint of industrialsed farming a year or two ago. Industries with a high carbon footprint don't go around telling everyone - because it is bad for business.

I think the public are getting better informed. Most people know that their 4x4 is bad for the environment, but not many realise that their pet pooch is worse. There's a good QI episode about this, LINK

I would also like to remind you that farming is a human activity.

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Actually I am pretty much a vegetarian. I don't buy meat, but if I visit my mum and she has made a steaming lamb casserole, I will eat it.

I've been interested in the climate change issue for a long time now, and even I only found out about the carbon footprint of industrialsed farming a year or two ago. Industries with a high carbon footprint don't go around telling everyone - because it is bad for business.

I think the public are getting better informed. Most people know that their 4x4 is bad for the environment, but not many realise that their pet pooch is worse. There's a good QI episode about this, LINK

I would also like to remind you that farming is a human activity.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1117 days ago)

Doesn’t matter if farming is human activity or not. It doesn’t do away with the fact that the average temperature has been 25C for the majority of the planet’s history and we are currently coming out of an ice age. This means that, even without humans existing on this planet, it is very likely the planet would warm back to its normal 25C anyway.

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Doesn’t matter if farming is human activity or not. It doesn’t do away with the fact that the average temperature has been 25C for the majority of the planet’s history and we are currently coming out of an ice age. This means that, even without humans existing on this planet, it is very likely the planet would warm back to its normal 25C anyway.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1117 days ago)

Perhaps, but the difference is thousands, maybe even millions of years.

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Perhaps, but the difference is thousands, maybe even millions of years.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1117 days ago)

I'm not so sure about that because I wasn't there during all the other events.

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I'm not so sure about that because I wasn't there during all the other events.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1117 days ago)

You don't have to have been around during the last ice age to know when it was. Ice ages come round every 150,000 years or so. Human activity is changing the climate in decades. Like it or not, that is reality.

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You don't have to have been around during the last ice age to know when it was. Ice ages come round every 150,000 years or so. Human activity is changing the climate in decades. Like it or not, that is reality.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1118 days ago)

i'd eat insect jelly, like the food they were giving people in that movie Snowpiercer 2013

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i'd eat insect jelly, like the food they were giving people in that movie Snowpiercer 2013

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1118 days ago)

And give up eating livestock completely in order to save the planet?

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And give up eating livestock completely in order to save the planet?

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Guest: SS.ATM (1118 days ago)

not completely, but i'd eat it.

check this thing out.

The bloody thing runs on bloody salt water.

LINK

Climate change or no climate change, people are brilliant.

Think of the possibilities. Solar and wind are not the only options. There's Thorium... and now... there's fu*king salt water.

MIND BLOWN!!!!!

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not completely, but i'd eat it.

check this thing out.

The bloody thing runs on bloody salt water.

LINK

Climate change or no climate change, people are brilliant.

Think of the possibilities. Solar and wind are not the only options. There's Thorium... and now... there's fu*king salt water.

MIND BLOWN!!!!!

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1117 days ago)

Another red herring. Why would you be talking about alternative energy when we were discussing you eating bugs or becoming vegetarian to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases released from farm livestock production?

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Another red herring. Why would you be talking about alternative energy when we were discussing you eating bugs or becoming vegetarian to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases released from farm livestock production?

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Guest: SS.ATM (1117 days ago)

because greenhouse gasses can be a blessing or a curse, deppending on your point of view.

The climate change narative is being pushed because it causes less of a panic.

Climate change is a problem, sure, but it's a problem for which we already have tons of sollutions, it's just that politicians are not in a hurry to implement them.The real problem is peak oil, and to find alternatie energy sources the iluminated minds of the world are pushing the climate change narative instead of pushing the peak oil narative.

If we were to talk about peak oil instead of climate change, the world would freak the fu*k out, banks would colapse, people would riot, governments would collapse.

The climate change narative is less dangerous than the peak oil one.

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because greenhouse gasses can be a blessing or a curse, deppending on your point of view.

The climate change narative is being pushed because it causes less of a panic.

Climate change is a problem, sure, but it's a problem for which we already have tons of sollutions, it's just that politicians are not in a hurry to implement them.The real problem is peak oil, and to find alternatie energy sources the iluminated minds of the world are pushing the climate change narative instead of pushing the peak oil narative.

If we were to talk about peak oil instead of climate change, the world would freak the fu*k out, banks would colapse, people would riot, governments would collapse.

The climate change narative is less dangerous than the peak oil one.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1117 days ago)

... stolen nick "guest123456789" ; do you not agree that the "climate change narative" is the SMOKE AND MIRRORS narative, and that we should be talking about peak oil instead and about ways to keep our current standard of living (including clean air and relative lack of polution) in the future, by finding all sorts of alternative energy sources WHILST AT THE SAME TIME making sure we don't get the global ponzi scheme we call Banking, to collapse because of gigantic unpaid loans by oil&gas, chemical and other types of industries, that could find their products no longer desired by the population?

Personally, i think the climate change debate is kept lit on purpose, to divide people and distract them forom the real problem, which can be fu*king global financial colapse via peak oil... if the iluminated minds don't manage the global balancing act just right.

Do you not agree stolen nick "guest123456789" ; ?

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... stolen nick "guest123456789" ; do you not agree that the "climate change narative" is the SMOKE AND MIRRORS narative, and that we should be talking about peak oil instead and about ways to keep our current standard of living (including clean air and relative lack of polution) in the future, by finding all sorts of alternative energy sources WHILST AT THE SAME TIME making sure we don't get the global ponzi scheme we call Banking, to collapse because of gigantic unpaid loans by oil&gas, chemical and other types of industries, that could find their products no longer desired by the population?

Personally, i think the climate change debate is kept lit on purpose, to divide people and distract them forom the real problem, which can be fu*king global financial colapse via peak oil... if the iluminated minds don't manage the global balancing act just right.

Do you not agree stolen nick "guest123456789" ; ?

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

Using oil does produce CO2 but what uses that oil? Transportation (46% gas, 20% diesel) Transportation produces less greenhouse gases than Animal farming. So why go after oil companies? It’s all political.

The big question is why doesn’t the government go after the cement companies and the farmers.

I’m not sure why you keep saying “stolen nick” because I didn’t steal anything. The nickname was not registered and it was freely available. You were warned ahead of time to register the name but refused to do it so I did it. You cannot call it stealing if it’s available for free and nobody else wanted it.

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Using oil does produce CO2 but what uses that oil? Transportation (46% gas, 20% diesel) Transportation produces less greenhouse gases than Animal farming. So why go after oil companies? It’s all political.

The big question is why doesn’t the government go after the cement companies and the farmers.

I’m not sure why you keep saying “stolen nick” because I didn’t steal anything. The nickname was not registered and it was freely available. You were warned ahead of time to register the name but refused to do it so I did it. You cannot call it stealing if it’s available for free and nobody else wanted it.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

Oil and gas is also being used in the chemical industry to make plastics, fertilizer etc. It's alos being used by power stations.

I don't know why you provide incomplete information, and i don't care.

I already told you, people are going on and on about oil and gas because of Peak oil, and climate change is a false narative. We already have hundred of solutions for CO2 management but the politicians don't do anything because it's not as dangerous for the establishment as the peak oil problem.

Shale gas is not a solution since it has the potential to destabilise the political class, so they're making people develope alternative energy sources on the premise that we need to stop CO2 production.

There's thorium and now there's this salt water thing. There's also solar, wind, tidal, etc, it's just not profitable to implement these technologies because they're going to compete with the oil and gas based industries. Why do you think they're slowly legalsing pot? it's because we will need hemp based biomass in the future, and because the people need to be kept dull.

As much as you want to rationalise your thievery, you're still a thief.

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Oil and gas is also being used in the chemical industry to make plastics, fertilizer etc. It's alos being used by power stations.

I don't know why you provide incomplete information, and i don't care.

I already told you, people are going on and on about oil and gas because of Peak oil, and climate change is a false narative. We already have hundred of solutions for CO2 management but the politicians don't do anything because it's not as dangerous for the establishment as the peak oil problem.

Shale gas is not a solution since it has the potential to destabilise the political class, so they're making people develope alternative energy sources on the premise that we need to stop CO2 production.

There's thorium and now there's this salt water thing. There's also solar, wind, tidal, etc, it's just not profitable to implement these technologies because they're going to compete with the oil and gas based industries. Why do you think they're slowly legalsing pot? it's because we will need hemp based biomass in the future, and because the people need to be kept dull.

As much as you want to rationalise your thievery, you're still a thief.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

“Oil and gas is also being used in the chemical industry to make plastics, fertilizer etc. It's alos being used by power stations.” I agree but I also mentioned the percentages in my message so you can see the other reasons oil is used is minor in comparison to transportation.

“I don't know why you provide incomplete information, and i don't care.” It was complete but you either did not read it, chose to ignore it, or did not comprehend it.

“t's just not profitable to implement these technologies because they're going to compete with the oil and gas based industries.” Not true. If there is profit to be made by implementing a new technology, the free market capitalistic economy will find a way to make it happen. For example, if you think there is a lot of profit to be made, then you should invest in that technology and you too can become part of the billionaire elite.

“Why do you think they're slowly legalsing pot?” Strawman fallacy but I’ll answer it anyway. It’s because of the power of the people. There was a time when alcohol was illegal too but the citizens did not want it to be illegal and found ways to get alcohol anyway. The war on alcohol was huge and many people lost lives in the process. Marijuana is phase 2. It’s been made illegal by our representatives and the people disagree with that decision so each state is voting on the issue and legalizing it due to the votes of the people.

“it's because we will need hemp based biomass in the future” Shows how little you know about the issue. There are no laws in the USA that makes hemp illegal. Marijuana and hemp are not the same thing. They are so genetically different that they are considered completely different plants (sub species). They are both strains of Cannabis sativa but hemp has been bred specifically for fiber, oils, ointments, and nutrition. Marijuana has been bred for high THC. I just acquired some hemp seeds to put into my smoothie from a large supermarket chain called “Whole Foods.” LINK They are high in Omega 3. A large chain would not sell these if they were illegal.

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“Oil and gas is also being used in the chemical industry to make plastics, fertilizer etc. It's alos being used by power stations.” I agree but I also mentioned the percentages in my message so you can see the other reasons oil is used is minor in comparison to transportation.

“I don't know why you provide incomplete information, and i don't care.” It was complete but you either did not read it, chose to ignore it, or did not comprehend it.

“t's just not profitable to implement these technologies because they're going to compete with the oil and gas based industries.” Not true. If there is profit to be made by implementing a new technology, the free market capitalistic economy will find a way to make it happen. For example, if you think there is a lot of profit to be made, then you should invest in that technology and you too can become part of the billionaire elite.

“Why do you think they're slowly legalsing pot?” Strawman fallacy but I’ll answer it anyway. It’s because of the power of the people. There was a time when alcohol was illegal too but the citizens did not want it to be illegal and found ways to get alcohol anyway. The war on alcohol was huge and many people lost lives in the process. Marijuana is phase 2. It’s been made illegal by our representatives and the people disagree with that decision so each state is voting on the issue and legalizing it due to the votes of the people.

“it's because we will need hemp based biomass in the future” Shows how little you know about the issue. There are no laws in the USA that makes hemp illegal. Marijuana and hemp are not the same thing. They are so genetically different that they are considered completely different plants (sub species). They are both strains of Cannabis sativa but hemp has been bred specifically for fiber, oils, ointments, and nutrition. Marijuana has been bred for high THC. I just acquired some hemp seeds to put into my smoothie from a large supermarket chain called “Whole Foods.” LINK They are high in Omega 3. A large chain would not sell these if they were illegal.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

""If there is profit to be made by implementing a new technology, the free market capitalistic economy will find a way to make it happen.""

There is NO FREE market economy, it's a myth.

The cake is a lie.

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""If there is profit to be made by implementing a new technology, the free market capitalistic economy will find a way to make it happen.""

There is NO FREE market economy, it's a myth.

The cake is a lie.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

Since that is your only response, I will assume that you accept defeat on all the other points.

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Since that is your only response, I will assume that you accept defeat on all the other points.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

all the other points are actually based-in one way or another- on the premise that the free market economy exists.

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all the other points are actually based-in one way or another- on the premise that the free market economy exists.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

And that's where your reading comprehension issue comes into play.

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And that's where your reading comprehension issue comes into play.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

ok cengland0... at least now we know why you're no longer commenting about climate change with your own username.

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ok cengland0... at least now we know why you're no longer commenting about climate change with your own username.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

More reading comprehension issues? Where did cengland0 state anything in this thread? You're trying a strawman fallacy to misdirect us again.

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More reading comprehension issues? Where did cengland0 state anything in this thread? You're trying a strawman fallacy to misdirect us again.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

sure cengland0, whatever you say cengland0

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sure cengland0, whatever you say cengland0

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

You are all over the place. First you thought I was the same person as originalmad and now you think I'm the same as cengland0. Any other people you'd lke to add to that list now?

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You are all over the place. First you thought I was the same person as originalmad and now you think I'm the same as cengland0. Any other people you'd lke to add to that list now?

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

whatever you say cengland0

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whatever you say cengland0

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

By the way, I remember him saying something about the 97% in another thread but, of course, you wouldn't remember any of that.

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By the way, I remember him saying something about the 97% in another thread but, of course, you wouldn't remember any of that.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)

you sure seem pissed now that everyone knows you're cengland0.

When i said you were originalmad you weren't so pissed, so i must be right about you this time.

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you sure seem pissed now that everyone knows you're cengland0.

When i said you were originalmad you weren't so pissed, so i must be right about you this time.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (1116 days ago)

What makes you think I'm angry? I don't get angry when you make a fool of yourself.

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What makes you think I'm angry? I don't get angry when you make a fool of yourself.

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Guest: SS.ATM (1116 days ago)
Latest comment:

uuuu, cengland0, i must have struck a chord there.

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uuuu, cengland0, i must have struck a chord there.

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