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Bill Moyers - Corruption in US politics

Bill Moyers - Corruption in US politics

(25:25) Between 2007 and 2012, 200 corporations spent almost $6 billion in lobbying and campaign contributions, and received $4 trillion in government contracts and other forms of assistance. Lawrence Lessig and Zephyr Teachout discuss how corruption is not direct in the sense of government officials receiving bribes for favours, it goes much deeper.

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iknowlessthanyoudo iknowlessthanyoudo (1110 days ago)

We won't outlast the 503 year duration of the Roman Empire without heavy-weights like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates countering the corrupting wealthy minority. Our Republic is completely and permanently corrupted. Despite several foundations funding the Bill Moyers show, the show engages too few voters.

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We won't outlast the 503 year duration of the Roman Empire without heavy-weights like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates countering the corrupting wealthy minority. Our Republic is completely and permanently corrupted. Despite several foundations funding the Bill Moyers show, the show engages too few voters.

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Guest: (1117 days ago)

only dumb fu*k libertarians can't understand the simple idea on which this video is based.

they still think there should be no government and everyone should live like people in somalia.

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only dumb fu*k libertarians can't understand the simple idea on which this video is based.

they still think there should be no government and everyone should live like people in somalia.

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Casey Casey (1112 days ago)

Only a pig ignorant moron like you could get it that wrong...AGAIN! Obviously the problem of corruption was recognised way back then and was one of the reasons FOR a limited govt you retard! Notice how the reference to Jefferson receiving a snuff box never blamed the king of France for giving it too him but for him from receiving it? When a govt. Is limited in its powers it can be held accountable by the public, as was the case back in Maddison's day, but today, with almost unlimited power, the govt. Does what it wants. When you give a govt. That much power it inevitably looks after itself over the people, as we are seeing today. They are blaming the people for bribing govt. when they should be blaming the govt. for accepting the bribes! Why wouldn't a govt. write laws so as to accept money, unless they were kept weak and accountable? As for your quip about libertarans, did you not hear how he quoted from a book written by a libertarian conservative you brain dead piece of shite! Also how could Somalia be a libertarian paradise when the main tenant of libertarian philosophy is non violence you imbecile!

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Only a pig ignorant moron like you could get it that wrong...AGAIN! Obviously the problem of corruption was recognised way back then and was one of the reasons FOR a limited govt you retard! Notice how the reference to Jefferson receiving a snuff box never blamed the king of France for giving it too him but for him from receiving it? When a govt. Is limited in its powers it can be held accountable by the public, as was the case back in Maddison's day, but today, with almost unlimited power, the govt. Does what it wants. When you give a govt. That much power it inevitably looks after itself over the people, as we are seeing today. They are blaming the people for bribing govt. when they should be blaming the govt. for accepting the bribes! Why wouldn't a govt. write laws so as to accept money, unless they were kept weak and accountable? As for your quip about libertarans, did you not hear how he quoted from a book written by a libertarian conservative you brain dead piece of shite! Also how could Somalia be a libertarian paradise when the main tenant of libertarian philosophy is non violence you imbecile!

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1112 days ago)

How can you say "… with almost unlimited power, the govt. Does what it wants " when Obama has just had to use an executive order to force immigration policy through?

The idea that government is corrupt, therefore smaller government will result in less corruption is fundamentally flawed.

Corruption involves 2 parties, the corrupter and the corrupted. So imagine a scenario - a corrupt prison officer (think: corrupt government) and his prisoner (think: corporation), who at whatever cost, wants to get out (think: make more profit whatever the cost to others). What happens? The prisoner offers the prison officer something and gets out.

The libertarian solution is to remove the prison officer. Duh!

The government's solution is to add more prison officers in the hope that some will not be corrupt. Not as stupid as the libertarian solution, but a huge waste of money that will only introduce even more corruption.

Common sense says change the police officer.

Government needs to change. It needs to be transparent (the internet makes this possible), and paid for by the people so that government works in the interests of the people. All big organisations are prone to corruption, that's human nature - so safety valves should also be in place. For example, in Switzerland a referendum can be forced on any law the government passes if enough people sign a petition. In the UK, only a debate in Parliament can be forced by a petition.

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How can you say "… with almost unlimited power, the govt. Does what it wants " when Obama has just had to use an executive order to force immigration policy through?

The idea that government is corrupt, therefore smaller government will result in less corruption is fundamentally flawed.

Corruption involves 2 parties, the corrupter and the corrupted. So imagine a scenario - a corrupt prison officer (think: corrupt government) and his prisoner (think: corporation), who at whatever cost, wants to get out (think: make more profit whatever the cost to others). What happens? The prisoner offers the prison officer something and gets out.

The libertarian solution is to remove the prison officer. Duh!

The government's solution is to add more prison officers in the hope that some will not be corrupt. Not as stupid as the libertarian solution, but a huge waste of money that will only introduce even more corruption.

Common sense says change the police officer.

Government needs to change. It needs to be transparent (the internet makes this possible), and paid for by the people so that government works in the interests of the people. All big organisations are prone to corruption, that's human nature - so safety valves should also be in place. For example, in Switzerland a referendum can be forced on any law the government passes if enough people sign a petition. In the UK, only a debate in Parliament can be forced by a petition.

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Casey Casey (1111 days ago)

Walter! Do you read what you write? How can I say the govt. does what it wants with unlimited power...when the president takes absolutely no notice of what voters want, ie. The immigration law, and Obama takes the law into his own hands and issues an executive order! THATS exactly what I'm talking about! There is only one question you have to ask yourself, do you believe power corrupts??? Your prison analogy is false. The libertarian solution to the problem is to simply remove the officer involved and CHARGE HIM with corruption and send HIM to jail thus dissuading any others from doing the same AND saving taxpayers money at the same time by NOT hiring guards to watch guards, which is the typical beurocratic response. You miss the whole point of people taking real responsibilities for their actions, you just want to change the officer involved and add a lot more, brilliant! Increase costs and at the same time increase the number of people to be corrupted! Look at the SEC, among other regulators, whole sections are corrupted, it's called systemic corruption, heard of that term Walter? look at the NSA! You keep saying the same old same old Walter, transparency, change we can believe in, how many times have you heard this? What did the last president run on? See any difference? The only question you must answer is Do you think power corrupts? Answer honestly and all else will become clear. BTW govt. Debt set to top 18 trillion in a few weeks time...no amount of taxes can stop this nose bleed...they, govt., will be coming after you pension soon, just as they have in many other countries, all under the guise of protecting you of course...

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Walter! Do you read what you write? How can I say the govt. does what it wants with unlimited power...when the president takes absolutely no notice of what voters want, ie. The immigration law, and Obama takes the law into his own hands and issues an executive order! THATS exactly what I'm talking about! There is only one question you have to ask yourself, do you believe power corrupts??? Your prison analogy is false. The libertarian solution to the problem is to simply remove the officer involved and CHARGE HIM with corruption and send HIM to jail thus dissuading any others from doing the same AND saving taxpayers money at the same time by NOT hiring guards to watch guards, which is the typical beurocratic response. You miss the whole point of people taking real responsibilities for their actions, you just want to change the officer involved and add a lot more, brilliant! Increase costs and at the same time increase the number of people to be corrupted! Look at the SEC, among other regulators, whole sections are corrupted, it's called systemic corruption, heard of that term Walter? look at the NSA! You keep saying the same old same old Walter, transparency, change we can believe in, how many times have you heard this? What did the last president run on? See any difference? The only question you must answer is Do you think power corrupts? Answer honestly and all else will become clear. BTW govt. Debt set to top 18 trillion in a few weeks time...no amount of taxes can stop this nose bleed...they, govt., will be coming after you pension soon, just as they have in many other countries, all under the guise of protecting you of course...

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Guest: (1110 days ago)

a recent study found that 90%of right wing libertarians such as yourself, are also satanists and rapists, so fu*k you you fu*king satanist rapist!

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a recent study found that 90%of right wing libertarians such as yourself, are also satanists and rapists, so fu*k you you fu*king satanist rapist!

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1110 days ago)

This is how I see Obama's use of an executive order - Congress is so corrupt that it blocks anything Obama tries to do, probably deep down because he's black. Therefore Obama is forced to use executive powers if he wants to get anything done - hence forcing through reforms that will protect 5 million people.

You can blame Obama, I think the problem lies in the corruption of your Congress.

Every conversation we have had on this subject, I always talk about corporate power, you never even mention corporate power on any level!

You mentioned the NSA - they outsource most of their work to for-proft-don't-give- a-shit-about-anything-els e private companies. Edward Snowden workd for Booz Alllen Hamilton, not the NSA. LINK

Let me ask you this - do you see private prison companies lobbying for harsher prison sentences to boost profit, as corruption?

And to answer your question "Do you think power corrupts?" - Absolutely. Do you think corporations have no power?

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This is how I see Obama's use of an executive order - Congress is so corrupt that it blocks anything Obama tries to do, probably deep down because he's black. Therefore Obama is forced to use executive powers if he wants to get anything done - hence forcing through reforms that will protect 5 million people.

You can blame Obama, I think the problem lies in the corruption of your Congress.

Every conversation we have had on this subject, I always talk about corporate power, you never even mention corporate power on any level!

You mentioned the NSA - they outsource most of their work to for-proft-don't-give- a-shit-about-anything-els e private companies. Edward Snowden workd for Booz Alllen Hamilton, not the NSA. LINK

Let me ask you this - do you see private prison companies lobbying for harsher prison sentences to boost profit, as corruption?

And to answer your question "Do you think power corrupts?" - Absolutely. Do you think corporations have no power?

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Casey Casey (1109 days ago)

Republicans rule the house and senate for the first time in 8 years, obviously this is because of discontent with Obamas policies, imigration being a BIG one. So what you're saying is to hell with what the people are saying just let Obama do what he wants, probably, deep down, because he's black and to say anything against him would paint you as racist...or even worse, conservative! We have seen Obama and others flaunt the rule of law on a regular basis, there's the problem right there. And, for the record, it's not "My congress" , I'm not American. The reason I don't talk about corporate power is because I beleive Govt. gives corporations that power, the problem is not the person who offers a bribe but the person who receives it and is SUPPOSED to be working on our behalf! Like I said before, nobody blamed the king of France for offering a watch to Ben Franklin, they cautioned Frankilin for accepting it. The onus is on the public official and when they are so powerful that they cannot be held responsible you get people like Snowden and Assange who are forced into exile for telling the truth about govt. Corruption, and you want to give them more power! As for prison companies lobbying govt. who makes the law the prison companies or the govt. ? Who is supposed to be looking after our best interests, the govt. or the companies? There is NO onus for the companies to look after our best interest, as Adam Smith wrote, they will ALWAYS seek to capture govt. making it bigger, stronger is not the answer for how will you then hold it accountable when they come after you like they have Snowden and Assange?

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Republicans rule the house and senate for the first time in 8 years, obviously this is because of discontent with Obamas policies, imigration being a BIG one. So what you're saying is to hell with what the people are saying just let Obama do what he wants, probably, deep down, because he's black and to say anything against him would paint you as racist...or even worse, conservative! We have seen Obama and others flaunt the rule of law on a regular basis, there's the problem right there. And, for the record, it's not "My congress" , I'm not American. The reason I don't talk about corporate power is because I beleive Govt. gives corporations that power, the problem is not the person who offers a bribe but the person who receives it and is SUPPOSED to be working on our behalf! Like I said before, nobody blamed the king of France for offering a watch to Ben Franklin, they cautioned Frankilin for accepting it. The onus is on the public official and when they are so powerful that they cannot be held responsible you get people like Snowden and Assange who are forced into exile for telling the truth about govt. Corruption, and you want to give them more power! As for prison companies lobbying govt. who makes the law the prison companies or the govt. ? Who is supposed to be looking after our best interests, the govt. or the companies? There is NO onus for the companies to look after our best interest, as Adam Smith wrote, they will ALWAYS seek to capture govt. making it bigger, stronger is not the answer for how will you then hold it accountable when they come after you like they have Snowden and Assange?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (1108 days ago)

"…the problem is not the person who offers a bribe but the person who receives it…" Are you mad? Is that the basis of your libertarianism - Do WTF you want without any responsibility? If I try to bribe a policeman, and the policeman is not corrupt, should he ignore me because the problem is actually his corrupt mates?

I can't believe anybody could think corruption is one-sided like you do. You continue: "As for prison companies lobbying govt. who makes the law the prison companies or the govt. ?" Are you crazy? Prison companies lobby government to get laws changed to increase their profits. Government complies because prison companies pay them to comply. People work in the interests of whoever pays them. That's why people are calling to get corporate money out of politics.

"There is NO onus for the companies to look after our best interest…" Exactly. That's why weakening government is a bad idea. Weakening corrupt government is a great idea, but leaving a void will only let corporations have their wicked ways with even less hindrance. Or do you think corporations will suddenly act in the interests of the people once government is out of their way?

I'm not advocating expanding corrupt government. I'm advocating designing a system that where possible prevents corruption, where government is working in the interests of the people. And the first steps are to get corporate money out, and to get the people more involved - by introducing transparency and forms of direct democracy. Size of government is a red herring.

Do you have a problem with the concept of government - an organisation representing and working in the interests of the people?

You never answered - I agree power corrupts, so do you think corporations have no power? FFS, Corporations and government are married. That's the problem, it's all corrupt. The solution is to get corporate money out, and ordinary people involved.

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"…the problem is not the person who offers a bribe but the person who receives it…" Are you mad? Is that the basis of your libertarianism - Do WTF you want without any responsibility? If I try to bribe a policeman, and the policeman is not corrupt, should he ignore me because the problem is actually his corrupt mates?

I can't believe anybody could think corruption is one-sided like you do. You continue: "As for prison companies lobbying govt. who makes the law the prison companies or the govt. ?" Are you crazy? Prison companies lobby government to get laws changed to increase their profits. Government complies because prison companies pay them to comply. People work in the interests of whoever pays them. That's why people are calling to get corporate money out of politics.

"There is NO onus for the companies to look after our best interest…" Exactly. That's why weakening government is a bad idea. Weakening corrupt government is a great idea, but leaving a void will only let corporations have their wicked ways with even less hindrance. Or do you think corporations will suddenly act in the interests of the people once government is out of their way?

I'm not advocating expanding corrupt government. I'm advocating designing a system that where possible prevents corruption, where government is working in the interests of the people. And the first steps are to get corporate money out, and to get the people more involved - by introducing transparency and forms of direct democracy. Size of government is a red herring.

Do you have a problem with the concept of government - an organisation representing and working in the interests of the people?

You never answered - I agree power corrupts, so do you think corporations have no power? FFS, Corporations and government are married. That's the problem, it's all corrupt. The solution is to get corporate money out, and ordinary people involved.

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Casey Casey (1107 days ago)
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It's not that I absolve corporations, or anybody, from responsibility, but the fact that you, and many others only see the evil capitalists as the only bad guys while hardly ever seeing that govt. is a problem, IMO and even bigger problem. If a bribe is offered and declined then who is hurt? Who is disadvantaged? Who has lost? I'm not absolving the briber but trying to bring to your attention that the bigger problem lies with the person accepting the bribe. As with the rich paying more taxes you completely ignore the fact that govt. spends more than it brings in and has done for decades, there is the real problem! Limiting govt. powers does not mean weakening the laws, on the contrary, when that is one of the few mandates for govt. then it is easier to make sure their job is done properly, transparency will be much easier. You suggested before in you prison analogy that they should add more guards, but which is easier to oversee, 5 guards or 50? Now you believe power corrupts, do you believe in the rest of that quotation " absolute power corrupts absolutely" ? Corporations can only have the kind of power you are talking about if govt. acquiesces to them, and they will if they are not strictly controlled, that means limiting the power of govt. Your idea of if only we had the right kind of people....is a pipe dream, those kinds of people, Ghandi is the only one I can think of off hand, are too few and far between. Govt. and its inherent power attract the wrong kind of people, it's the power they want, the more power you give govt. the more people, corporations will covet it, if everyone has to live under the law of the land, on an equal playing field where govt. DOESNT have the power to choose the winners and losers, who goes to jail and who doesn't, arbitrarily decide what laws apply to whom and when, then you will see a society that is free to prosper, or not, on their own merits, not from govt. intervention. On another note, but connected, I see Obama is widely seen as the most non transparent, enemy of press freedoms and whistleblowers, perhaps ever! And with the NSA snooping on everyone and everything and when you risk being thrown in jail for cricizing the govt. that is EXACTLY what you are inviting when you give govt. too much power.

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It's not that I absolve corporations, or anybody, from responsibility, but the fact that you, and many others only see the evil capitalists as the only bad guys while hardly ever seeing that govt. is a problem, IMO and even bigger problem. If a bribe is offered and declined then who is hurt? Who is disadvantaged? Who has lost? I'm not absolving the briber but trying to bring to your attention that the bigger problem lies with the person accepting the bribe. As with the rich paying more taxes you completely ignore the fact that govt. spends more than it brings in and has done for decades, there is the real problem! Limiting govt. powers does not mean weakening the laws, on the contrary, when that is one of the few mandates for govt. then it is easier to make sure their job is done properly, transparency will be much easier. You suggested before in you prison analogy that they should add more guards, but which is easier to oversee, 5 guards or 50? Now you believe power corrupts, do you believe in the rest of that quotation " absolute power corrupts absolutely" ? Corporations can only have the kind of power you are talking about if govt. acquiesces to them, and they will if they are not strictly controlled, that means limiting the power of govt. Your idea of if only we had the right kind of people....is a pipe dream, those kinds of people, Ghandi is the only one I can think of off hand, are too few and far between. Govt. and its inherent power attract the wrong kind of people, it's the power they want, the more power you give govt. the more people, corporations will covet it, if everyone has to live under the law of the land, on an equal playing field where govt. DOESNT have the power to choose the winners and losers, who goes to jail and who doesn't, arbitrarily decide what laws apply to whom and when, then you will see a society that is free to prosper, or not, on their own merits, not from govt. intervention. On another note, but connected, I see Obama is widely seen as the most non transparent, enemy of press freedoms and whistleblowers, perhaps ever! And with the NSA snooping on everyone and everything and when you risk being thrown in jail for cricizing the govt. that is EXACTLY what you are inviting when you give govt. too much power.

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