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Guest: Christian M (895 days ago)

These are definitely a type of Marten, possibly a Beech Marten. Definitely not stoat or weasel.

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These are definitely a type of Marten, possibly a Beech Marten. Definitely not stoat or weasel.

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Guest: one more time (893 days ago)

This thread is a hoot. From a simple question of identifying a creature from one of several similar species, it has leapt to personal attacks on religion and sexuality, on logic and burden of proof. A perfect example of the genre.

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This thread is a hoot. From a simple question of identifying a creature from one of several similar species, it has leapt to personal attacks on religion and sexuality, on logic and burden of proof. A perfect example of the genre.

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Guest: (893 days ago)

i know right!! such a giggle.

maybe i'm odd but i find it hilarious that someone is furiously checking wikipedia and the encyclopaedia to prove to us the subtle differences between stoats and weasels.

it makes it even funnier when he's a bit of a bigot and takes himself rather seriously.

:) I love Boreme sometimes!

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i know right!! such a giggle.

maybe i'm odd but i find it hilarious that someone is furiously checking wikipedia and the encyclopaedia to prove to us the subtle differences between stoats and weasels.

it makes it even funnier when he's a bit of a bigot and takes himself rather seriously.

:) I love Boreme sometimes!

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Guest: Alan M (893 days ago)

Not furiously, really. Hilarious? Definitely!

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Not furiously, really. Hilarious? Definitely!

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Guest: Alan M (893 days ago)

Personal attacks on religion and sexuality? Where did you read that? It never happened on this thread. Discussion on logic and burden of proof, certainly. And yes, it is funny, glad you're enjoying it!

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Personal attacks on religion and sexuality? Where did you read that? It never happened on this thread. Discussion on logic and burden of proof, certainly. And yes, it is funny, glad you're enjoying it!

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Guest: (892 days ago)

Alan M, you wrote, "Are you by any chance a Christian as well as a failed zoology student?"

Is your memory going, you poofter?

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Alan M, you wrote, "Are you by any chance a Christian as well as a failed zoology student?"

Is your memory going, you poofter?

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Guest: Alan M (897 days ago)

For crying out loud, BoreMe!. These creatures are Stoats, not Weasels and not Ferrets. It really isn't hard to tell the difference...

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For crying out loud, BoreMe!. These creatures are Stoats, not Weasels and not Ferrets. It really isn't hard to tell the difference...

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Guest: (897 days ago)

sorry you are wrong these are actually pine martens you should look it up. next time check before assuming.

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sorry you are wrong these are actually pine martens you should look it up. next time check before assuming.

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Guest: Alan M (897 days ago)

Sorry, nope, they are stoats. The pine marten does not have a black tip to the tail. These critters do. Now you look it up!

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Sorry, nope, they are stoats. The pine marten does not have a black tip to the tail. These critters do. Now you look it up!

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Guest: (896 days ago)

oh dear you dont seem to understand. stoats are bigger than pine martens and juvenile pine martens always have a black tip.

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oh dear you dont seem to understand. stoats are bigger than pine martens and juvenile pine martens always have a black tip.

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Guest: Alan M (896 days ago)

Extracted from Wikipedia:

"Stoat males weigh 258 grams (9.1 oz), while females weigh less than 180 grams (6.3 oz). Pine marten males are slightly larger than the females; on average a marten weighs around 1.5 kg (3.3 lb)".

Now, instead of simply being a patronising yet ignorant twat, cite me one reputable and available online reference that describes the pine marten having a black tip to the tail and being the smaller animal. If you can do that, I may concede defeat. Otherwise, shut up and go research something.

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Extracted from Wikipedia:

"Stoat males weigh 258 grams (9.1 oz), while females weigh less than 180 grams (6.3 oz). Pine marten males are slightly larger than the females; on average a marten weighs around 1.5 kg (3.3 lb)".

Now, instead of simply being a patronising yet ignorant twat, cite me one reputable and available online reference that describes the pine marten having a black tip to the tail and being the smaller animal. If you can do that, I may concede defeat. Otherwise, shut up and go research something.

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Guest: (896 days ago)

oh dear dear dear dont you get aggressive and rude when you're wrong about something. anger management issues.

it shows the level im dealing with when you use wikipedia as an example of "reputable online reference"!!!!

gave me a good chuckle that. i doubt youd know a pine marten from a penguin and you certainly can't weigh them with your eyes. if you dont want to be educated run along now.

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oh dear dear dear dont you get aggressive and rude when you're wrong about something. anger management issues.

it shows the level im dealing with when you use wikipedia as an example of "reputable online reference"!!!!

gave me a good chuckle that. i doubt youd know a pine marten from a penguin and you certainly can't weigh them with your eyes. if you dont want to be educated run along now.

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Guest: Alan M (896 days ago)

Come on then, anonymous troll, cite me your references to prove your point. You won't, because you can't.

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Come on then, anonymous troll, cite me your references to prove your point. You won't, because you can't.

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Milvus Milvus (896 days ago)

It's a stoat

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It's a stoat

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Guest: (895 days ago)

haha how old are you? you wont because you cant? best get back to insults you were better at that.

its you who is doubting the video first. why dont you come up with a real reference (NOT WIKIPEDIA OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!) to prove your point.

dont worry. im not mad. not everyone can be a pine marten expert and you certainly are not.

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haha how old are you? you wont because you cant? best get back to insults you were better at that.

its you who is doubting the video first. why dont you come up with a real reference (NOT WIKIPEDIA OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!) to prove your point.

dont worry. im not mad. not everyone can be a pine marten expert and you certainly are not.

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Guest: Alan M (895 days ago)

So, you never use Wikipedia because it cannot be relied upon? I never claimed to be an expert on pine martens, yet I'm still waiting for you to cite ANY reference to support your argument. I have stated that I'm willing to cede defeat if you can prove your point, so do it! If you don't/can't defend your position, you lose all credibility by default.

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So, you never use Wikipedia because it cannot be relied upon? I never claimed to be an expert on pine martens, yet I'm still waiting for you to cite ANY reference to support your argument. I have stated that I'm willing to cede defeat if you can prove your point, so do it! If you don't/can't defend your position, you lose all credibility by default.

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Guest: (894 days ago)

I lose all credibility by defautl?? haha i hadnt realised you were the judge. you, oh king of wikipedia never had any to begin with. NEVER use wikipedia to prove an argument or for academic purposes because as you know its notoriously unreliable and can be edited by anyone. for all i know you could have just tweaked the page to back you up, if thats what it says.

you are the one who disagrees with the video. therefore it is up to YOU to prove your point (or disprove the video) by showing us a REAL reputable source. otherwise you automatically will be known as captain wrong.

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I lose all credibility by defautl?? haha i hadnt realised you were the judge. you, oh king of wikipedia never had any to begin with. NEVER use wikipedia to prove an argument or for academic purposes because as you know its notoriously unreliable and can be edited by anyone. for all i know you could have just tweaked the page to back you up, if thats what it says.

you are the one who disagrees with the video. therefore it is up to YOU to prove your point (or disprove the video) by showing us a REAL reputable source. otherwise you automatically will be known as captain wrong.

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Guest: Alan M (894 days ago)

I suppose that Encyclopedia Britannica isn't good enough for you either? I'm still waiting for you to back up your argument with anything other than empty rhetoric. Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath. Loser.

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I suppose that Encyclopedia Britannica isn't good enough for you either? I'm still waiting for you to back up your argument with anything other than empty rhetoric. Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath. Loser.

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Guest: (894 days ago)

sorry alan pine marten expert, i cant see in your link anywhere that it says pine martens (or beech martens as someone suggested) dont have a black tip on there tail assuming that it what you think identifies these in the video?

so once again i challenge you to disprove what you are trying so very hard to do. once again you seem very good at throwing around insults and being rude. shame your animal knowledge is not quite so great. perhaps you were taught to be offensive whenever you couldnt win an argument?

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sorry alan pine marten expert, i cant see in your link anywhere that it says pine martens (or beech martens as someone suggested) dont have a black tip on there tail assuming that it what you think identifies these in the video?

so once again i challenge you to disprove what you are trying so very hard to do. once again you seem very good at throwing around insults and being rude. shame your animal knowledge is not quite so great. perhaps you were taught to be offensive whenever you couldnt win an argument?

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Guest: Alan M (893 days ago)

As you will recall, I specifically stated that I made no claim to be an expert on pine martens. However, you specifically stated that pine martens are smaller than stoats. I have provided supporting evidence that shows you to be incorrect. You pointedly now fail to challenge me on this, resorting to the tail-tip issue in order to keep face. You consistently fail to furnish any evidence at all to support your own arguments, merely telling me that the onus is on me to prove that something is not the case. Are you by any chance a Christian as well as a failed zoology student? As an aside, your text makes you sound like a Brit. Nothing wrong with that, but if so, I am willing to bet that you have probably never seen an actual marten, unlike myself.

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As you will recall, I specifically stated that I made no claim to be an expert on pine martens. However, you specifically stated that pine martens are smaller than stoats. I have provided supporting evidence that shows you to be incorrect. You pointedly now fail to challenge me on this, resorting to the tail-tip issue in order to keep face. You consistently fail to furnish any evidence at all to support your own arguments, merely telling me that the onus is on me to prove that something is not the case. Are you by any chance a Christian as well as a failed zoology student? As an aside, your text makes you sound like a Brit. Nothing wrong with that, but if so, I am willing to bet that you have probably never seen an actual marten, unlike myself.

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Guest: (893 days ago)

making comparative statements about size is a pointless exercise when the video only shows one species.

this whole thread is in response to your original claim so the burden of proof IS on you and you dont seem to like that very much.

funny that youre clutching at straws to find other things to insult me about. maybe I'm christian, maybe i'm gay, maybe I'm black even, go for it!! it sounds like zoology isnt your strong point either bearing in mind stoats weasels and pine marten are all found in the UK.

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making comparative statements about size is a pointless exercise when the video only shows one species.

this whole thread is in response to your original claim so the burden of proof IS on you and you dont seem to like that very much.

funny that youre clutching at straws to find other things to insult me about. maybe I'm christian, maybe i'm gay, maybe I'm black even, go for it!! it sounds like zoology isnt your strong point either bearing in mind stoats weasels and pine marten are all found in the UK.

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Guest: Alan M (893 days ago)

It was you that first mentioned the size difference, stating that stoats are larger than martens. I have demonstrated that you are incorrect on this point. Similarly, I never denied that stoats weasels and martens are all found in the UK. I only suggested that I doubt you have seen a marten in-the-flesh, whereas I have seen several. My reference to Christians was only to illustrate that they take the same stance about the existence of God when challenged by atheists, knowing that it is impossible to definitively claim that something does not exist. I can demonstrate that stoats have black-tipped tails. I have not seen, either in real life or in photographs, a marten with a black-tipped tail. I cannot say categorically that such a creature does not exist, only that I have no evidence for it. I have asked you repeatedly to furnish such evidence and change my opinion, yet you have not done so. You have provided no evidence to back up any of your claims, so why should anyone give your opinion any credence?

Oh, and as it happens, I wouldn't care if you were gay, black and Christian. None of that has any relevance. I was not attempting to insult you, simply comparing your faulty logic to that employed by many Christians.

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It was you that first mentioned the size difference, stating that stoats are larger than martens. I have demonstrated that you are incorrect on this point. Similarly, I never denied that stoats weasels and martens are all found in the UK. I only suggested that I doubt you have seen a marten in-the-flesh, whereas I have seen several. My reference to Christians was only to illustrate that they take the same stance about the existence of God when challenged by atheists, knowing that it is impossible to definitively claim that something does not exist. I can demonstrate that stoats have black-tipped tails. I have not seen, either in real life or in photographs, a marten with a black-tipped tail. I cannot say categorically that such a creature does not exist, only that I have no evidence for it. I have asked you repeatedly to furnish such evidence and change my opinion, yet you have not done so. You have provided no evidence to back up any of your claims, so why should anyone give your opinion any credence?

Oh, and as it happens, I wouldn't care if you were gay, black and Christian. None of that has any relevance. I was not attempting to insult you, simply comparing your faulty logic to that employed by many Christians.

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Guest: (893 days ago)

i thought we were debating what the animals in the video were. you said "These creatures are Stoats, not Weasels and not Ferrets". you have completely failed to prove this on any level whatsoever. i hope you have learned a lesson about making rash statements in response to videos that you cannot back up. speculating about what animals i may have seen is very silly, and is about as meaningful as pretending to have seen certain animals yourself.

taking swipes at christians simply shows your bigoted views. no, i dont suppose you do give my opinions credence. i suspect you choose to ignore anyone that asks you to back up your claims, along with anyone who is british, christian, transgender, disabled or whatever else you have deemed to be not worthy of your recognition. you're ever so good at calling people twats and losers and telling them to shut up. unfortunately this doesnt do much to forward your original outrageous claim about the martens in the video.

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i thought we were debating what the animals in the video were. you said "These creatures are Stoats, not Weasels and not Ferrets". you have completely failed to prove this on any level whatsoever. i hope you have learned a lesson about making rash statements in response to videos that you cannot back up. speculating about what animals i may have seen is very silly, and is about as meaningful as pretending to have seen certain animals yourself.

taking swipes at christians simply shows your bigoted views. no, i dont suppose you do give my opinions credence. i suspect you choose to ignore anyone that asks you to back up your claims, along with anyone who is british, christian, transgender, disabled or whatever else you have deemed to be not worthy of your recognition. you're ever so good at calling people twats and losers and telling them to shut up. unfortunately this doesnt do much to forward your original outrageous claim about the martens in the video.

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Tsuki Tsuki (893 days ago)

You sound like a lawyer. Can I ask you a question? I recently discovered Cat Stevens is actually not a cat but a Muslim. Can I sue him for fraud?

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You sound like a lawyer. Can I ask you a question? I recently discovered Cat Stevens is actually not a cat but a Muslim. Can I sue him for fraud?

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TheBob TheBob (896 days ago)

Yeah - weasels are weasily wecognised and a stoat's stoatally different

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Yeah - weasels are weasily wecognised and a stoat's stoatally different

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Guest: TooMuchTelly (896 days ago)

On The One Show last night they said stoats were part of the weasel family.

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On The One Show last night they said stoats were part of the weasel family.

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Guest: Prof David Macdonald (893 days ago)

There's a lot of silly speculation on this thread so I'd like to set the record straight. These are NOT stoats OR weasels OR pine martens. These are clearly black-footed ferrets with the black tail tip. The word 'ferret' in the title of the video even tells you!

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There's a lot of silly speculation on this thread so I'd like to set the record straight. These are NOT stoats OR weasels OR pine martens. These are clearly black-footed ferrets with the black tail tip. The word 'ferret' in the title of the video even tells you!

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Guest: Alan M (893 days ago)

Um, 'Prof', in the video, exactly where are the black feet then? Just askin'...

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Um, 'Prof', in the video, exactly where are the black feet then? Just askin'...

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Guest: Prof David Macdonald (892 days ago)

The feet are exactly at the end of each leg, precisely where you would expect them. I'm afraid they are black-footed ferrets, but it appears you're not the only person on this page to be wrong.

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The feet are exactly at the end of each leg, precisely where you would expect them. I'm afraid they are black-footed ferrets, but it appears you're not the only person on this page to be wrong.

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Guest: Alan M (891 days ago)

The feet may indeed be situated at the end of each leg, but they are not black. Neither do any of the the animals in this video feature the characteristic facial colouration of the black-footed ferret. Oh, and kindly find another bandwagon to jump on. This one is already full. :-)

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The feet may indeed be situated at the end of each leg, but they are not black. Neither do any of the the animals in this video feature the characteristic facial colouration of the black-footed ferret. Oh, and kindly find another bandwagon to jump on. This one is already full. :-)

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Guest: (891 days ago)

frickin love it. alan, seriously don't you see what we're doing?

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frickin love it. alan, seriously don't you see what we're doing?

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Guest: Alan M (890 days ago)

Duh! Of course I do, and I'm enjoying it immensely! Why else would I keep coming back? ;-)

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Duh! Of course I do, and I'm enjoying it immensely! Why else would I keep coming back? ;-)

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Guest: (890 days ago)

umm, cos you can't spot a troll, you take yourself too seriously, and you desperately want to be right even when it's only about weasels?

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umm, cos you can't spot a troll, you take yourself too seriously, and you desperately want to be right even when it's only about weasels?

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Guest: Alan M (887 days ago)
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You sure it's me that can't spot the troll? Oh, and they're stoats, btw.

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You sure it's me that can't spot the troll? Oh, and they're stoats, btw.

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