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TYT - The Money Shot

TYT - The Money Shot

(8:30) TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement has a sister, TiSA (Trade in Services Agreement), also in the process of writing. The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.

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Casey Casey (958 days ago)

What an idiot Cenk can be. He's now realised his favorite liberal candidate, Obama, is a fraud, it took long enough, now he can't see the one person who's got a clue. Giving more money to govt. only creates more govt. jobs which then everyone else must pay for in taxes. Thats non productive. Leaving more money in the hands of people who create jobs, the private sector is the only way to create an economy. The ONLY way a govt. can help is to get out of the way and let people do their work.

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What an idiot Cenk can be. He's now realised his favorite liberal candidate, Obama, is a fraud, it took long enough, now he can't see the one person who's got a clue. Giving more money to govt. only creates more govt. jobs which then everyone else must pay for in taxes. Thats non productive. Leaving more money in the hands of people who create jobs, the private sector is the only way to create an economy. The ONLY way a govt. can help is to get out of the way and let people do their work.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (958 days ago)

That is misunderstanding the problem. Corporations control government, but it should be: the people control government.

Making government smaller shifts power to corporations. Making government bigger adds power to corporations. The answer is separation of state and corporation, ie. money out of politics.

After separation, then consider government size. Considering the track record of corporations, government should be increasing regulation, not reducing.

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That is misunderstanding the problem. Corporations control government, but it should be: the people control government.

Making government smaller shifts power to corporations. Making government bigger adds power to corporations. The answer is separation of state and corporation, ie. money out of politics.

After separation, then consider government size. Considering the track record of corporations, government should be increasing regulation, not reducing.

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Casey Casey (958 days ago)

You already conceded that big corporations can't do anything without the help of govt., that is the power govt. wields. It's a symbiotic relationship while it lasts, govt. will throw big business under a bus when the SHTF to preserve themselves. This shows who truly holds the reins and who is calling the shots. Just like when the Clintons distanced themselves from prominent donors when they were in trouble or when Obama came out against, and excoriated, the bankers in public...but cossied up to them in private. A politician by nature is drawn to power as are some corporations, there is no changing that. You did not come up with an answer as to how you would stop Hillary, as Secretary of State, giving favoured status to another country or corporation and then Bill gets a very lucrative speaking arrangement. You can't get around the ingenuity of people other than taking away the incentive. If, as you conceded, the corporations need govt. to further their agenda then without govt, they are relatively helpless. Yes, getting money out of politics would be good but it would be near impossible given the example I gave above. Another famous quote " a govt that is powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take it away". These truisms have come down through history as a testament to what govt is truly about and what they become if they are not kept in check. Blaming Corporations is an intellectually lazy excuse for the masses, just look at Europe, Asia, Sth America, it's not corporations destroying those economies it's the governments.

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You already conceded that big corporations can't do anything without the help of govt., that is the power govt. wields. It's a symbiotic relationship while it lasts, govt. will throw big business under a bus when the SHTF to preserve themselves. This shows who truly holds the reins and who is calling the shots. Just like when the Clintons distanced themselves from prominent donors when they were in trouble or when Obama came out against, and excoriated, the bankers in public...but cossied up to them in private. A politician by nature is drawn to power as are some corporations, there is no changing that. You did not come up with an answer as to how you would stop Hillary, as Secretary of State, giving favoured status to another country or corporation and then Bill gets a very lucrative speaking arrangement. You can't get around the ingenuity of people other than taking away the incentive. If, as you conceded, the corporations need govt. to further their agenda then without govt, they are relatively helpless. Yes, getting money out of politics would be good but it would be near impossible given the example I gave above. Another famous quote " a govt that is powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take it away". These truisms have come down through history as a testament to what govt is truly about and what they become if they are not kept in check. Blaming Corporations is an intellectually lazy excuse for the masses, just look at Europe, Asia, Sth America, it's not corporations destroying those economies it's the governments.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (957 days ago)

"You already conceded that big corporations can't do anything without the help of govt., that is the power govt. wields." Not sure why you think I think that. I certainly don't. I did say big corporations want to control government because that is where laws are made. TPP and TTIP trade deals are good examples. Negotiated in secret (until leaked by Wikileaks), between corporations, lobbyists and government, to reduce regulations that keep us safe, so that more profits can be made. Corporations would be able to sue a country if it doesn't like the country's laws in a secret court comprising of only corporate lawyers, without any appeal. This is already happening with similar clauses inserted in other international deals. LINK

How is the size of government even relevant?

I can understand why blame if focused on big government, but you're barking up the wrong tree. What you are advocating is getting "politics out of big money", exactly what corporatists want.

Libertarianism is the corporatists' dream - minimal government to get in the way of corporate profits.

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"You already conceded that big corporations can't do anything without the help of govt., that is the power govt. wields." Not sure why you think I think that. I certainly don't. I did say big corporations want to control government because that is where laws are made. TPP and TTIP trade deals are good examples. Negotiated in secret (until leaked by Wikileaks), between corporations, lobbyists and government, to reduce regulations that keep us safe, so that more profits can be made. Corporations would be able to sue a country if it doesn't like the country's laws in a secret court comprising of only corporate lawyers, without any appeal. This is already happening with similar clauses inserted in other international deals. LINK

How is the size of government even relevant?

I can understand why blame if focused on big government, but you're barking up the wrong tree. What you are advocating is getting "politics out of big money", exactly what corporatists want.

Libertarianism is the corporatists' dream - minimal government to get in the way of corporate profits.

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Casey Casey (954 days ago)
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"Powerful people need to capture government to be able to do WTF they like, because that is where laws are made, or repealed." Your words Walter

So logically speaking you restrict the power Govt. has and you restrict the power corporations have, in fact they wouldn't bother to try to corrupt govt. on the first place. I find it ironic you say a libertarian govt. is a corporations dream when in fact we have the opposite of a libertarian govt. now and yet what you fear is coming true and its with the kind of govt. YOU espouse, all powerful, liberal and elected with a vast majority vote....You still haven't told me how you're going to get money out of politics....

As for govts. selling out their sovereignty that is exactly what they are doing, but you blame the corporations when the onus is on the elected officials to protect our interests. Now perhaps you can see the importance of individual rights over the powerful majority or even a powerful minority, who will stand up for minorities, surely you would be for that! That's why you need a limited govt., strong and separated judicial branch and limited terms in office....hmmm sound familiar?

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"Powerful people need to capture government to be able to do WTF they like, because that is where laws are made, or repealed." Your words Walter

So logically speaking you restrict the power Govt. has and you restrict the power corporations have, in fact they wouldn't bother to try to corrupt govt. on the first place. I find it ironic you say a libertarian govt. is a corporations dream when in fact we have the opposite of a libertarian govt. now and yet what you fear is coming true and its with the kind of govt. YOU espouse, all powerful, liberal and elected with a vast majority vote....You still haven't told me how you're going to get money out of politics....

As for govts. selling out their sovereignty that is exactly what they are doing, but you blame the corporations when the onus is on the elected officials to protect our interests. Now perhaps you can see the importance of individual rights over the powerful majority or even a powerful minority, who will stand up for minorities, surely you would be for that! That's why you need a limited govt., strong and separated judicial branch and limited terms in office....hmmm sound familiar?

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