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AronRa - Is it rational to believe in god?

AronRa - Is it rational to believe in god?

(16:32) Atheist youtuber AronRa responds to Prager University's video "God vs. Atheism: Which is More Rational?". youtu.be/4T_P14JjMcM

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A well presented case and its rebuttal, on both sides.

I have virtually no confidence in arguments like the chain of causality, and here's why. Although we humans value reason - well some of us do - we're not actually very good at it. The Sherlock Holmes model, where you sit in an armchair with your eyes half closed and solve crimes by eliminating the impossible, simply does not work. It is all too easy to dream up ideas that are reasonable - ie logically consistent, and maybe explanatory - but which are actually rubbish. This is why the scientific method works. We dream up ideas, but then we test them by experiment. Getting ideas to pass the test is not so easy. The method works and has been delivering the goods for 500 years.

So when we get an argument about infinite chains of causality that cannot be tested experimentally, I lose confidence. These arguments seem to me like arguments about the "foundations" of the Earth. Small stones rest on bigger stones, and so on, so obviously the Earth must rest on something really huge. This leads to the conclusion that has God holding everything up. But now we know this argument, while logical, is wrong. Nothing holds the Earth up because "up" doesn't mean what we used to think it meant. The argument is logical but at least one the premises are false. In the same way, I suspect that the need for a god as the "unmoved mover" is just wrong, based on ignorance.

If there is an answer, science is the best way we have to find it.

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A well presented case and its rebuttal, on both sides.

I have virtually no confidence in arguments like the chain of causality, and here's why. Although we humans value reason - well some of us do - we're not actually very good at it. The Sherlock Holmes model, where you sit in an armchair with your eyes half closed and solve crimes by eliminating the impossible, simply does not work. It is all too easy to dream up ideas that are reasonable - ie logically consistent, and maybe explanatory - but which are actually rubbish. This is why the scientific method works. We dream up ideas, but then we test them by experiment. Getting ideas to pass the test is not so easy. The method works and has been delivering the goods for 500 years.

So when we get an argument about infinite chains of causality that cannot be tested experimentally, I lose confidence. These arguments seem to me like arguments about the "foundations" of the Earth. Small stones rest on bigger stones, and so on, so obviously the Earth must rest on something really huge. This leads to the conclusion that has God holding everything up. But now we know this argument, while logical, is wrong. Nothing holds the Earth up because "up" doesn't mean what we used to think it meant. The argument is logical but at least one the premises are false. In the same way, I suspect that the need for a god as the "unmoved mover" is just wrong, based on ignorance.

If there is an answer, science is the best way we have to find it.

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another lengthy anti religion video. begining to wonder if boreme is pushing some kind of agenda.

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another lengthy anti religion video. begining to wonder if boreme is pushing some kind of agenda.

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