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Terrifying moment man swings at police with huge knife

Terrifying moment man swings at police with huge knife

(0:41) Northamptonshire Police release a body-cam video from March 2014 when PC Alex Prentice and PC Debbie Wishart were called out to a domestic incident in Corby and were confronted by an agitated knife-wielding man, Lee Vickers. Vickers got three-and-half-years, while both officers received police awards.

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Guest: JesusYourFlavour (814 days ago)

Everyone feels like this having to live in the East Midlands...God bless'em.

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Everyone feels like this having to live in the East Midlands...God bless'em.

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Guest: Craig S. (815 days ago)

In the US that man would be dead and rightly so. Those police officers were very lucky they weren't hurt. In our area a naked man grabbed an officer's gun and kiled him. You don't take chances with nutters like this.

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In the US that man would be dead and rightly so. Those police officers were very lucky they weren't hurt. In our area a naked man grabbed an officer's gun and kiled him. You don't take chances with nutters like this.

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Guest: (814 days ago)

Yes because in the USA, having routinely armed police works so well right? The states are the laughing stock of the developed world, as Obama has pretty much said. Anyway, this guy was posturing. If he'd wanted to really injure, he would have just run at them. Good on them for handling it well though because they weren't to know that. Just a shame that we now see fit to publish videos like this. Tackling crime and entertainment shouldn't be mixed.

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Yes because in the USA, having routinely armed police works so well right? The states are the laughing stock of the developed world, as Obama has pretty much said. Anyway, this guy was posturing. If he'd wanted to really injure, he would have just run at them. Good on them for handling it well though because they weren't to know that. Just a shame that we now see fit to publish videos like this. Tackling crime and entertainment shouldn't be mixed.

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Guest: Pay attention (814 days ago)

You're awfully simplistic in your thinking.

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You're awfully simplistic in your thinking.

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Guest: (814 days ago)

Oh.

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Oh.

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Guest: (814 days ago)

Yes, actually, having routinely armed police in the US usually and generally works pretty well. Crime rates, (particularly crimes of violence) in the US have been on a significant downward trend for the past few decades. The news media is making a great deal of hay with recent police shootings, and there are so very many easily available handguns, asault rifles, and various kinds of armor piercing ammunition throughout the US that the increasingly militarized police seem to feel more threatened each day. I don't know the numbers, but I'd wager that there are far more policemen murdered on the job (with bullets) per capita in the US than in knife-wielding England. By the way, do English police still threaten to "take down your name in writing"? That's long caused us to giggle over here on this side, since we'd never find that even mildly threatening with the guns all over, so I thought I should ask whether it still happens.

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Yes, actually, having routinely armed police in the US usually and generally works pretty well. Crime rates, (particularly crimes of violence) in the US have been on a significant downward trend for the past few decades. The news media is making a great deal of hay with recent police shootings, and there are so very many easily available handguns, asault rifles, and various kinds of armor piercing ammunition throughout the US that the increasingly militarized police seem to feel more threatened each day. I don't know the numbers, but I'd wager that there are far more policemen murdered on the job (with bullets) per capita in the US than in knife-wielding England. By the way, do English police still threaten to "take down your name in writing"? That's long caused us to giggle over here on this side, since we'd never find that even mildly threatening with the guns all over, so I thought I should ask whether it still happens.

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Guest: (814 days ago)

Taking down names? No, not in so many words, at least. It does happen in the course of their duties, but not as a threat.

Your point about murders of policemen/women isn't really one that can be made in comparison with the UK for several reasons in my opinion. Size - geographic and population - is obvious. The legality of owning and keeping a gun of some sort is next. Your point about the increasingly militarised police you have is number three. There may be others I've missed

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Taking down names? No, not in so many words, at least. It does happen in the course of their duties, but not as a threat.

Your point about murders of policemen/women isn't really one that can be made in comparison with the UK for several reasons in my opinion. Size - geographic and population - is obvious. The legality of owning and keeping a gun of some sort is next. Your point about the increasingly militarised police you have is number three. There may be others I've missed

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Guest: (814 days ago)

I've never known an officer to threaten to 'take your name down in writing', but that wouldn't be the first stereotype of Britain that the USA gets wrong. However, I would say that yes, the style of policing here is definitely less confrontational and proudly so. To give you a little perspective, in the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years. In 2013 in Finland (with significant gun ownership), police fired a total of 6 bullets - none caused a fatality. In one incident alone in Washington (Antonio Zambrano-Montes), police fired 17 bullets at a suspect who was “armed” with a rock, with 5 or 6 hitting their mark. More unarmed black men (19) have been fatally shot by US police in the first 5 months of this year than citizens of any race, armed or unarmed, fatally shot in Germany (with significant gun ownership) during all of 2010 and 2011 (15). In Iceland (with significant gun ownership), 1 person has been shot by police in 71 YEARS. Sure, the USA have to arm their police because gun crime is still outrageously high for a developed country, and the world knows it, but there are clearly still huge issues with the use of lethal force that is just on a different scale to so-called first-world countries. Truthfully though, it is not the gun crime or suspect killings that seem to define the USA these days - it is the blinkered, apathetic and denying attitudes that allow it to continue unchecked, and dare I say yours seems to fit the bill. If you don't even acknowledge a problem, that's pretty darn scary.

So I suppose it kind of depends on your definition of something that "works pretty well"! If your aim is summarily execute people without a trial on the whim of some officers pumped up on adrenalin, I'd say the US system is unparalelled.

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I've never known an officer to threaten to 'take your name down in writing', but that wouldn't be the first stereotype of Britain that the USA gets wrong. However, I would say that yes, the style of policing here is definitely less confrontational and proudly so. To give you a little perspective, in the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years. In 2013 in Finland (with significant gun ownership), police fired a total of 6 bullets - none caused a fatality. In one incident alone in Washington (Antonio Zambrano-Montes), police fired 17 bullets at a suspect who was “armed” with a rock, with 5 or 6 hitting their mark. More unarmed black men (19) have been fatally shot by US police in the first 5 months of this year than citizens of any race, armed or unarmed, fatally shot in Germany (with significant gun ownership) during all of 2010 and 2011 (15). In Iceland (with significant gun ownership), 1 person has been shot by police in 71 YEARS. Sure, the USA have to arm their police because gun crime is still outrageously high for a developed country, and the world knows it, but there are clearly still huge issues with the use of lethal force that is just on a different scale to so-called first-world countries. Truthfully though, it is not the gun crime or suspect killings that seem to define the USA these days - it is the blinkered, apathetic and denying attitudes that allow it to continue unchecked, and dare I say yours seems to fit the bill. If you don't even acknowledge a problem, that's pretty darn scary.

So I suppose it kind of depends on your definition of something that "works pretty well"! If your aim is summarily execute people without a trial on the whim of some officers pumped up on adrenalin, I'd say the US system is unparalelled.

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Guest: US Guy (814 days ago)

I think we in the US have gone down the Second Ammedment (to The Constitution of the United States) road so far for over 200 years, that it seems almost impossible to turn back and rebuild a society that is modeled on any that you cite.

To a large extent/for a long time, the US was a very "unorganized" place and people were on their own in many parts to secure their areas. Even as far back as the first battle(s) of the American Revolution - Lexington and Concord, the empetus for the British March to those area was to seize a cache of colonial militia arms stored in Concord. While, yes there were British canons there, a lot of coloialists owned weapons throughout these areas because the queen's soldiers stuck near their own garrisons, say Boston, and the colonialists were left to their own good luck, so to speak, in the out-lying areas. Right thinking or wrong thinking aside, that's how the right to bear arms got into the Contitution.

Now, try to remove it. Probably the last time there was any chance to change things was right after the US Civil War. If there's a good way to redo this now without pissing off half of this society, I sure haven't heard it.

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I think we in the US have gone down the Second Ammedment (to The Constitution of the United States) road so far for over 200 years, that it seems almost impossible to turn back and rebuild a society that is modeled on any that you cite.

To a large extent/for a long time, the US was a very "unorganized" place and people were on their own in many parts to secure their areas. Even as far back as the first battle(s) of the American Revolution - Lexington and Concord, the empetus for the British March to those area was to seize a cache of colonial militia arms stored in Concord. While, yes there were British canons there, a lot of coloialists owned weapons throughout these areas because the queen's soldiers stuck near their own garrisons, say Boston, and the colonialists were left to their own good luck, so to speak, in the out-lying areas. Right thinking or wrong thinking aside, that's how the right to bear arms got into the Contitution.

Now, try to remove it. Probably the last time there was any chance to change things was right after the US Civil War. If there's a good way to redo this now without pissing off half of this society, I sure haven't heard it.

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I get why historically at one point or another it would have been a wise idea to allow civilians to bear arms, but having an inflexible constitution that cannot adapt to changing times is a problem. Besides, gun ownership / right to bear arms can't be the sole issue here. USA has gun ownership per capita less than twice the amount in Switzerland, yet gun crime is nearly 4x greater. I know other factors are at play, but the USA has absurdly high levels of gun crime for a developed country and people refuse to address it.

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I get why historically at one point or another it would have been a wise idea to allow civilians to bear arms, but having an inflexible constitution that cannot adapt to changing times is a problem. Besides, gun ownership / right to bear arms can't be the sole issue here. USA has gun ownership per capita less than twice the amount in Switzerland, yet gun crime is nearly 4x greater. I know other factors are at play, but the USA has absurdly high levels of gun crime for a developed country and people refuse to address it.

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