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Trump's immigration plan provokes fiery debate on Fox News

Trump's immigration plan provokes fiery debate on Fox News

(12:49) Donald Trump's immigration proposal sparked off a heated debate on 'The Five'. Participants are Dana Perino, Geraldo Rivera, Jesse Watters, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and Tom Shillue.

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Guest: John534254532 (845 days ago)

Wtf happens at 10:21??

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Wtf happens at 10:21??

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Guest: (844 days ago)

Demonic possession.

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Demonic possession.

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TheBob TheBob (844 days ago)

Battery malfunction - he's an android

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Battery malfunction - he's an android

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dananddiana dananddiana (846 days ago)

3 years, Thousnds of dollars and criminal background checks (paid for by me) from every country I lived in since I turned 16 (That was 3) That was what I had to do to become a permenant resident in the USA. and I had been married to an American for 13 years at that point, Why??? If illegals can come over and stay without having to go through any sort of criminal check etc why did I have to? How is it right? Can I get my money back? How can anyone think that it is ok for them all to stay? Why have any sort of system if that is what you are going to do? Just open the borders like Britain did and mess up your whole country just like they have!

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3 years, Thousnds of dollars and criminal background checks (paid for by me) from every country I lived in since I turned 16 (That was 3) That was what I had to do to become a permenant resident in the USA. and I had been married to an American for 13 years at that point, Why??? If illegals can come over and stay without having to go through any sort of criminal check etc why did I have to? How is it right? Can I get my money back? How can anyone think that it is ok for them all to stay? Why have any sort of system if that is what you are going to do? Just open the borders like Britain did and mess up your whole country just like they have!

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Guest: QueenofHearts (845 days ago)

Idiot alert. Good god. The UK have "opened the borders" and "messed up the whole country"? USA immigrants account for over 14% of the population. In the UK it's closer to 12% which is less than Spain, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden and many others and is comparable to France and Italy. Funnily enough the country still operates, and I dare say better than the USA most of the time. But don't let facts get in the way of your Fox News opinion.

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Idiot alert. Good god. The UK have "opened the borders" and "messed up the whole country"? USA immigrants account for over 14% of the population. In the UK it's closer to 12% which is less than Spain, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden and many others and is comparable to France and Italy. Funnily enough the country still operates, and I dare say better than the USA most of the time. But don't let facts get in the way of your Fox News opinion.

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dananddiana dananddiana (845 days ago)

My opinion has naff all to do with Fox news. I am a Brit, and if you had bothered to study what is going on in Britain, You would see that the whole social system, NHS, Welfare system etc is at breaking point. Have you seen the size of the Island? are you aware of how many people are living there? are you aware of how many are flooding in daily? If you know that anwer to those questions, You would know that the "open borderr" policy is just plain wrong. Go find out just how many Brits are up in arms about "Broken Britain" You can run off as many statistical "Facts" as you want to, it doesn't change the fact that britain is going downhill fast because they cannot deal with the influx of foreigners!

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My opinion has naff all to do with Fox news. I am a Brit, and if you had bothered to study what is going on in Britain, You would see that the whole social system, NHS, Welfare system etc is at breaking point. Have you seen the size of the Island? are you aware of how many people are living there? are you aware of how many are flooding in daily? If you know that anwer to those questions, You would know that the "open borderr" policy is just plain wrong. Go find out just how many Brits are up in arms about "Broken Britain" You can run off as many statistical "Facts" as you want to, it doesn't change the fact that britain is going downhill fast because they cannot deal with the influx of foreigners!

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Guest: (844 days ago)

"You would see that the whole social system, NHS, Welfare system etc is at breaking point...If you know that anwer to those questions..."

What are the answers to those questions? Facts please (no Daily Mail sources please).

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"You would see that the whole social system, NHS, Welfare system etc is at breaking point...If you know that anwer to those questions..."

What are the answers to those questions? Facts please (no Daily Mail sources please).

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Guest: (844 days ago)

Your opinion has everything to do with Fox News. It is the same xenophobic sensationalist bigotry that is spewed in the Daily Mail and other right wing sources. Whether you watch it or not, it accurately represents your mentality. As a current UK resident and tax-payer I have a keen interest in the welfare system and probably a more up-to-date and balanced view than you. I read a British newspaper every day. There are issues within the NHS but in general, it is the envy of many developed country where anyone in society can access free health care and life-saving surgery - it is certainly preferable to what's happening in the USA. The welfare system in breaking point? What silly article have you read? Let's see your sources.

Yes, there are lots of people who are up in arms about "Broken Britain" and the "influx of immigrants" and "political correctness gone mad", but then again every country has its share of bigotted morons who lack the intelligence to properly digest news from a variety of sources. Yes, we are an island, but we are less densely populated than most island nations, and are well behind countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, India, Israel and Japan, and are very similar to Germany and Italy. "Open border?" What? Do you have any knowledge of the points based system, the immigration cap, the British citizenship test? And it's an open border you say? Geeezus.

I'm genuinely pleased you're now living in the states, because I would sure as hell prefer to live in a street full of Poles, Muslims, or whoever you're so fearful of, than live nextdoor to a paranoid backward xenophobe such as yourself.

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Your opinion has everything to do with Fox News. It is the same xenophobic sensationalist bigotry that is spewed in the Daily Mail and other right wing sources. Whether you watch it or not, it accurately represents your mentality. As a current UK resident and tax-payer I have a keen interest in the welfare system and probably a more up-to-date and balanced view than you. I read a British newspaper every day. There are issues within the NHS but in general, it is the envy of many developed country where anyone in society can access free health care and life-saving surgery - it is certainly preferable to what's happening in the USA. The welfare system in breaking point? What silly article have you read? Let's see your sources.

Yes, there are lots of people who are up in arms about "Broken Britain" and the "influx of immigrants" and "political correctness gone mad", but then again every country has its share of bigotted morons who lack the intelligence to properly digest news from a variety of sources. Yes, we are an island, but we are less densely populated than most island nations, and are well behind countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, India, Israel and Japan, and are very similar to Germany and Italy. "Open border?" What? Do you have any knowledge of the points based system, the immigration cap, the British citizenship test? And it's an open border you say? Geeezus.

I'm genuinely pleased you're now living in the states, because I would sure as hell prefer to live in a street full of Poles, Muslims, or whoever you're so fearful of, than live nextdoor to a paranoid backward xenophobe such as yourself.

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dananddiana dananddiana (844 days ago)

Then your eyes are shut to what is happening, Europe is falling apart bit by bit. You be happy with the status quo and I will sit back and watch. Britain has lost its identity, no one knows what it is to be British anymore. One big "melting pot" is a great idea until that pot boils over, It is simmering... Just wait and see... I will try not to say i told you so!

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Then your eyes are shut to what is happening, Europe is falling apart bit by bit. You be happy with the status quo and I will sit back and watch. Britain has lost its identity, no one knows what it is to be British anymore. One big "melting pot" is a great idea until that pot boils over, It is simmering... Just wait and see... I will try not to say i told you so!

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Guest: (844 days ago)

You know what? People like you have been saying the exact same for decades, ever since the Windrush and no doubt before. Enoch Powell, the BNP, UKIP, and everyone in between; any number of paranoid backward thinking people doom-mongering. They were probably saying that before the Vikings came, then before the Romans, and during every era. People fearful of newcomers, or new cultures, ultimately of change. I have no idea where you lived, but in the 4 cities I've lived in (one of which was Bradford), and the rural village where I currently live, I can see that there is a very strong cultural identity and we know what it is to be British, and as cliche as it was, this was summised pretty well for the London Olympics. What you don't like, is that Britishness now includes the contributions to culture from people who have moved into the area, and indeed into the country, the like of which have always benefitted Great Britain. If you want to see multi-cultural failing, it would be wiser to look within the USA, where institutional racism is still prevalent and not a week goes by where there isn't another story about an unarmed black guy being shot to death by white cops. Eyes shut indeed!

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You know what? People like you have been saying the exact same for decades, ever since the Windrush and no doubt before. Enoch Powell, the BNP, UKIP, and everyone in between; any number of paranoid backward thinking people doom-mongering. They were probably saying that before the Vikings came, then before the Romans, and during every era. People fearful of newcomers, or new cultures, ultimately of change. I have no idea where you lived, but in the 4 cities I've lived in (one of which was Bradford), and the rural village where I currently live, I can see that there is a very strong cultural identity and we know what it is to be British, and as cliche as it was, this was summised pretty well for the London Olympics. What you don't like, is that Britishness now includes the contributions to culture from people who have moved into the area, and indeed into the country, the like of which have always benefitted Great Britain. If you want to see multi-cultural failing, it would be wiser to look within the USA, where institutional racism is still prevalent and not a week goes by where there isn't another story about an unarmed black guy being shot to death by white cops. Eyes shut indeed!

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dananddiana dananddiana (844 days ago)

Really, and you accuse me of watching the wrong news... The sensational stories of 'White cops verses unarmed black guys" are only a tiny piece of the whole picture. They neglect to tell you about the armed blacks who have killed cops, the thousands upon thousands of black on black killings, the many instances where white cops save black lives and on and on. There are bad cops out there but if you look at the number of cops throughout the US and the number of crimes commited by blacks (No I am not saying whites don't commit crimes before you missunderstand me) You would see that it is only a small percentage. Good stories do not sell. That is a fact! The problem is also the fact that when a legal body finds in favor of an armed cop, the general populace (Yes the blacks) accuse them of covering up, That the "Law is not working for blacks" Can't win for losing. Have you noticed how when cops are found guilty, all of a sudden the law is working? Anyway... I never said that anything was or was not working over here, I was talking about Britain. Change does not scare me... I have no idea how you manage to read something and translate it into something completely different. OVER POPULATION is a major issue, Lack of jobs, a cash strapped NHS, Lack of adequate housing and on and on. And you cannot begin to tell me that there is no racism in Britain! it is as big an issue as it is in the US. You say its working... I say it is not... Britain and Europe will be the first casualties, the USA isn't too far behind.

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Really, and you accuse me of watching the wrong news... The sensational stories of 'White cops verses unarmed black guys" are only a tiny piece of the whole picture. They neglect to tell you about the armed blacks who have killed cops, the thousands upon thousands of black on black killings, the many instances where white cops save black lives and on and on. There are bad cops out there but if you look at the number of cops throughout the US and the number of crimes commited by blacks (No I am not saying whites don't commit crimes before you missunderstand me) You would see that it is only a small percentage. Good stories do not sell. That is a fact! The problem is also the fact that when a legal body finds in favor of an armed cop, the general populace (Yes the blacks) accuse them of covering up, That the "Law is not working for blacks" Can't win for losing. Have you noticed how when cops are found guilty, all of a sudden the law is working? Anyway... I never said that anything was or was not working over here, I was talking about Britain. Change does not scare me... I have no idea how you manage to read something and translate it into something completely different. OVER POPULATION is a major issue, Lack of jobs, a cash strapped NHS, Lack of adequate housing and on and on. And you cannot begin to tell me that there is no racism in Britain! it is as big an issue as it is in the US. You say its working... I say it is not... Britain and Europe will be the first casualties, the USA isn't too far behind.

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I think your true colours are showing. The fact you cite "armed blacks who have killed cops" and "thousands of black on black killings" etc to try to justify the killing of unarmed black people is really alarming. Even if black people were the only people ever to use guns for violence, how would that justify killing those who are unarmed? Last year over 100 unarmed black guys were killed by your authorities (an objective fact, not a piece of made-up propaganda the like of which Fox would invent), and I can't imagine any statistic or 'wider picture' that would excuse that. Shame on you.

A change (increase) in population due to immigration is still a change, and you are scared of it, so it's not crazy to infer you're scared of change, particularly when you're suggesting the result is that British people don't even know what Britishness is any more, which is utter tabloid nonsense. Over population is not a major issue at all - there are issues with housing in many large cities, but that's true the world over. Most developed island nations have a far greater population density including Japan which is the world's 3rd largest economy. And it shows how out of touch you are with UK affairs - employment is rising, average wages are rising, and the NHS (while obviously needing more money) is still the envy of most of the developed world. Yes there is racism, partly down to your kind of divisive tabloid politics, but it is far less instituionalised than it is in the States, which to be fair has to struggle with a far more insidiuous history of race relations. The USA also has a bigger problem with immigration, on the one hand hating it, and on the other absolutely depending on it. That together with your dubious foreign policy provides a lethal mix that will destabilise the USA long before the UK even wobbles.

As I've said, right wingers have been tutting and prophesising imminent doom for decades and they have always been wrong, and they have always been in a minority. Thank god for that.

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I think your true colours are showing. The fact you cite "armed blacks who have killed cops" and "thousands of black on black killings" etc to try to justify the killing of unarmed black people is really alarming. Even if black people were the only people ever to use guns for violence, how would that justify killing those who are unarmed? Last year over 100 unarmed black guys were killed by your authorities (an objective fact, not a piece of made-up propaganda the like of which Fox would invent), and I can't imagine any statistic or 'wider picture' that would excuse that. Shame on you.

A change (increase) in population due to immigration is still a change, and you are scared of it, so it's not crazy to infer you're scared of change, particularly when you're suggesting the result is that British people don't even know what Britishness is any more, which is utter tabloid nonsense. Over population is not a major issue at all - there are issues with housing in many large cities, but that's true the world over. Most developed island nations have a far greater population density including Japan which is the world's 3rd largest economy. And it shows how out of touch you are with UK affairs - employment is rising, average wages are rising, and the NHS (while obviously needing more money) is still the envy of most of the developed world. Yes there is racism, partly down to your kind of divisive tabloid politics, but it is far less instituionalised than it is in the States, which to be fair has to struggle with a far more insidiuous history of race relations. The USA also has a bigger problem with immigration, on the one hand hating it, and on the other absolutely depending on it. That together with your dubious foreign policy provides a lethal mix that will destabilise the USA long before the UK even wobbles.

As I've said, right wingers have been tutting and prophesising imminent doom for decades and they have always been wrong, and they have always been in a minority. Thank god for that.

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dananddiana dananddiana (844 days ago)

I was not excusing any kind of behaviour... You know... There really isn't any point trying to discuss anything with you, you keep inventing stuff. I stated that all the other crimes were not made a big deal of but white cops shooting blacks is. I happen to be mixed race and NOT racist in any way shape or form, My eyes are open though and I see that Black America is more racist than white now, It has turned completely around and Obammy is helping that mindset. I am done talking to you because you think that you can ascribe any meaning that suits you to whatever anyone says. not my kind of conversation.... Plus, you seem to think that insulting people for thinking differently somehow makes you better? I don't know really because I try not to do that!

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I was not excusing any kind of behaviour... You know... There really isn't any point trying to discuss anything with you, you keep inventing stuff. I stated that all the other crimes were not made a big deal of but white cops shooting blacks is. I happen to be mixed race and NOT racist in any way shape or form, My eyes are open though and I see that Black America is more racist than white now, It has turned completely around and Obammy is helping that mindset. I am done talking to you because you think that you can ascribe any meaning that suits you to whatever anyone says. not my kind of conversation.... Plus, you seem to think that insulting people for thinking differently somehow makes you better? I don't know really because I try not to do that!

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OK if you can't see the issue with saying things about black crime when trying to give a context in unarmed shootings, you're right, there's no point trying to argue. I think your attitudes reflect what I've been saying. There is an ingrained and denying attitude of racism still prevalent in the States that people will not address or even acknowledge. You've already decided on what the truth is, regardless of statistics, current affairs in the UK, etc, so it's true there's no point reasoning with you. I'm just pleased you're over the pond.

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OK if you can't see the issue with saying things about black crime when trying to give a context in unarmed shootings, you're right, there's no point trying to argue. I think your attitudes reflect what I've been saying. There is an ingrained and denying attitude of racism still prevalent in the States that people will not address or even acknowledge. You've already decided on what the truth is, regardless of statistics, current affairs in the UK, etc, so it's true there's no point reasoning with you. I'm just pleased you're over the pond.

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OK if you can't see the issue with saying things about black crime when trying to give a context in unarmed shootings, you're right, there's no point trying to argue. I think your attitudes reflect what I've been saying. There is an ingrained and denying attitude of racism still prevalent in the States that people will not address or even acknowledge. You've already decided on what the truth is, regardless of statistics, current affairs in the UK, etc, so it's true there's no point reasoning with you. I'm just pleased you're over the pond.

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OK if you can't see the issue with saying things about black crime when trying to give a context in unarmed shootings, you're right, there's no point trying to argue. I think your attitudes reflect what I've been saying. There is an ingrained and denying attitude of racism still prevalent in the States that people will not address or even acknowledge. You've already decided on what the truth is, regardless of statistics, current affairs in the UK, etc, so it's true there's no point reasoning with you. I'm just pleased you're over the pond.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

RACE BAITING 101 LINK

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RACE BAITING 101 LINK

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dananddiana dananddiana (844 days ago)

and BTW... How does concern about over population equal "Bigotry" or "Xenophobia"? You need to get a dictionary and read it!

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and BTW... How does concern about over population equal "Bigotry" or "Xenophobia"? You need to get a dictionary and read it!

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Guest: FacePalm (845 days ago)

"It's gonna be a trail of tears"

Wow. I wonder if he knows what he's referring to when he says that. (for reference, the Trail of Tears refers to the 1831 forced relocation of the Cherokees, during which nearly 1/3 of the remaining population died) Interesting choice of comparison there.

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"It's gonna be a trail of tears"

Wow. I wonder if he knows what he's referring to when he says that. (for reference, the Trail of Tears refers to the 1831 forced relocation of the Cherokees, during which nearly 1/3 of the remaining population died) Interesting choice of comparison there.

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Guest: jonom (845 days ago)

what a lovable bunch the Fox team are. That chap Jesse is possibly the smuggest person I've ever seen

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what a lovable bunch the Fox team are. That chap Jesse is possibly the smuggest person I've ever seen

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Guest: (844 days ago)

Fox news is exactly how I like my news, arrogant, misinformed and presented by failed actors. Whats not to like?

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Fox news is exactly how I like my news, arrogant, misinformed and presented by failed actors. Whats not to like?

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Guest: (844 days ago)

I hate liberals, arrogant, misinformed and populated by failed actors .You have the choice not to watch it, but only arrogant liberal fascists try to ban everything they dont like.

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I hate liberals, arrogant, misinformed and populated by failed actors .You have the choice not to watch it, but only arrogant liberal fascists try to ban everything they dont like.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

I hate liberals as much as the next bigot, but even I can see that calling a political belief "populated by failed actors" is moronic to to the max. It works when applied to a news channel but not so much in the way you used it.

And no one is talking about banning Fox News. But I can see where the confusion comes from. Talking points presented the way Fox News does it, tends to silence other points of view - talking over others, throwing around insults etc. - so I understand how you might incorrectly assume that crittercism is an attempt to "ban everything they dont like" seeing as thats exactly what Fox News does.

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I hate liberals as much as the next bigot, but even I can see that calling a political belief "populated by failed actors" is moronic to to the max. It works when applied to a news channel but not so much in the way you used it.

And no one is talking about banning Fox News. But I can see where the confusion comes from. Talking points presented the way Fox News does it, tends to silence other points of view - talking over others, throwing around insults etc. - so I understand how you might incorrectly assume that crittercism is an attempt to "ban everything they dont like" seeing as thats exactly what Fox News does.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

only right wing trolls attack people for even sharing an opinion. no one has tried to ban anything here you idiot. but LOOK someone has criticized a right wing media outlet so lets stamp on them and try and accuse them of trying to ban things. fascism and bigotry still at work by the right. prepare for more abuse.

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only right wing trolls attack people for even sharing an opinion. no one has tried to ban anything here you idiot. but LOOK someone has criticized a right wing media outlet so lets stamp on them and try and accuse them of trying to ban things. fascism and bigotry still at work by the right. prepare for more abuse.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

I dont watch Fox news,(and I susspect Dananddiana doesn't either, but only arrogant liberals assume that anyone who disagrees with them has to automatically get their opinion from Fox news. One wonders if Fox news was actually banned, what liberals would use as an insult (oh sorry forgot, religion etc etc)

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I dont watch Fox news,(and I susspect Dananddiana doesn't either, but only arrogant liberals assume that anyone who disagrees with them has to automatically get their opinion from Fox news. One wonders if Fox news was actually banned, what liberals would use as an insult (oh sorry forgot, religion etc etc)

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Guest: (844 days ago)

It's so easy to make Getafix bite these days isn't it. No, it's not just Fox news that spoon feed your views back to you. It's the Daily Mail, The Sun - any number of backward media outlets that get a readership by confirming their prejudice, making up stories completely, and simplifying current affairs to the level of a retarded child.

I like the way that if you point out that Fox (and others) is totally full of crap, you immediately must be a liberal. Probably a progressive moron pseud as well. More hypocrisy from the right there, who apparently hate assumptions of political stance.

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It's so easy to make Getafix bite these days isn't it. No, it's not just Fox news that spoon feed your views back to you. It's the Daily Mail, The Sun - any number of backward media outlets that get a readership by confirming their prejudice, making up stories completely, and simplifying current affairs to the level of a retarded child.

I like the way that if you point out that Fox (and others) is totally full of crap, you immediately must be a liberal. Probably a progressive moron pseud as well. More hypocrisy from the right there, who apparently hate assumptions of political stance.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

Its not "anyone who disagrees with them has to automatically get their opinion from Fox news". Its not being able to follow other peoples arguments and then hiding behind accusations of trying to ban free speech.

You are more than welcome to show people how little you understand most things. As are those who point out how much of a fool you're making of yourself in doing so.

But lets clear one thing up. Liberal doesn't mean Socialist, how ever much The Daily Mail etc. tries to mislead conservatives. They are two seperate concepts.

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Its not "anyone who disagrees with them has to automatically get their opinion from Fox news". Its not being able to follow other peoples arguments and then hiding behind accusations of trying to ban free speech.

You are more than welcome to show people how little you understand most things. As are those who point out how much of a fool you're making of yourself in doing so.

But lets clear one thing up. Liberal doesn't mean Socialist, how ever much The Daily Mail etc. tries to mislead conservatives. They are two seperate concepts.

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To those in the middle, how the extremes define themselves is their affair. I'm using the american self definition of "liberals", which seems to be in sway nowadays, especially amongst the graunuid readers, who are the most intolerant bunch of pseudo fascists around nowadays. They really do seem to think that their view is only point of view, and everyone ele must be shouted down.The recent election did so confound them, The fact that there are people of different opinions to them and they are in the majority was a joy to watch. I've never enjoyed watching an BBC election night so much.(All those grauniad BBC pollsters who got it so very wrong )

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To those in the middle, how the extremes define themselves is their affair. I'm using the american self definition of "liberals", which seems to be in sway nowadays, especially amongst the graunuid readers, who are the most intolerant bunch of pseudo fascists around nowadays. They really do seem to think that their view is only point of view, and everyone ele must be shouted down.The recent election did so confound them, The fact that there are people of different opinions to them and they are in the majority was a joy to watch. I've never enjoyed watching an BBC election night so much.(All those grauniad BBC pollsters who got it so very wrong )

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"the most intolerant bunch of pseudo fascists around nowadays"

Pseudo fascists? Hahaha. A pseudo fascist would be a fake fascist. I take it you mean pseud i.e. pretentious?

Pretentious - "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed".

I think you're actually describing yourself. Hahaha.

Also, here is no "american self definition" of liberal. Its the same definition just that American conservative commentators use it incorrectly.

Twisting and distorting the meaning of terms is a fascist trait. American conservative commentators that do this would best be described as culturally fascist. Hahaha. Can you see what I did there?

People don't respect your views because they don't think you actually understand them.

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"the most intolerant bunch of pseudo fascists around nowadays"

Pseudo fascists? Hahaha. A pseudo fascist would be a fake fascist. I take it you mean pseud i.e. pretentious?

Pretentious - "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed".

I think you're actually describing yourself. Hahaha.

Also, here is no "american self definition" of liberal. Its the same definition just that American conservative commentators use it incorrectly.

Twisting and distorting the meaning of terms is a fascist trait. American conservative commentators that do this would best be described as culturally fascist. Hahaha. Can you see what I did there?

People don't respect your views because they don't think you actually understand them.

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Guest: (844 days ago)

Look up these terms or remain ignorant, but liberals commonly refer to themselves as such, and yes "pseudo fascism" describes adherence to one selected "authoritive" source of information. Just saying.

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Look up these terms or remain ignorant, but liberals commonly refer to themselves as such, and yes "pseudo fascism" describes adherence to one selected "authoritive" source of information. Just saying.

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Yes, liberals refer to themselves as liberals, but American conservatives use the term liberal to mean socialist.

If we actually get into the meaning of conservative however, it really just means "return to the good old days" or "preserve things the way they are" and is therefore extremely open to manipulation.

Hence why most conservative ideas are an appropriation of liberal ideas whilst trying to preserve religous traditions, often throwing in conspiracy theories.

After looking up "pseudo fascism" I find the term "left-wing fascism" which happens to mean exactly what I assumed it did but with links to the cultural marxist conspiracy theory. I didn't know that. Thanks and hahaha.

Fascism is considered right-wing despite being present in centrally planned economies because it was based around deeply conservative ideas about social issues - patriarchy, racial supremacy and an unhealthy fetish for hierarchical control.

left-wing fascism is literally not fascism.

I'm not sure the concept of socialism being left-wing even existed at the time of fascist regimes seeing as it developed around the same time.

Pseudo fascism, it seems, is the cultural marxist conspiracy theory term that shields conservatives from the fact that people who share their social attitudes committed some of the worse atrocities in human history.

It also shows that subtle manipulation of terms aimed at conservatives is a very effective propaganda technique.

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Yes, liberals refer to themselves as liberals, but American conservatives use the term liberal to mean socialist.

If we actually get into the meaning of conservative however, it really just means "return to the good old days" or "preserve things the way they are" and is therefore extremely open to manipulation.

Hence why most conservative ideas are an appropriation of liberal ideas whilst trying to preserve religous traditions, often throwing in conspiracy theories.

After looking up "pseudo fascism" I find the term "left-wing fascism" which happens to mean exactly what I assumed it did but with links to the cultural marxist conspiracy theory. I didn't know that. Thanks and hahaha.

Fascism is considered right-wing despite being present in centrally planned economies because it was based around deeply conservative ideas about social issues - patriarchy, racial supremacy and an unhealthy fetish for hierarchical control.

left-wing fascism is literally not fascism.

I'm not sure the concept of socialism being left-wing even existed at the time of fascist regimes seeing as it developed around the same time.

Pseudo fascism, it seems, is the cultural marxist conspiracy theory term that shields conservatives from the fact that people who share their social attitudes committed some of the worse atrocities in human history.

It also shows that subtle manipulation of terms aimed at conservatives is a very effective propaganda technique.

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What is about these liberals that they assume they have a unique handle on what is and isn't subtle or otherwise propaganda and assume that they are somehow above and immune to it. .And what is about their ignorance of the origins of fascism. It always has been a socialist ideology. Conservatism predates both ideologies, despite marxists attempts to brand otherwise

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What is about these liberals that they assume they have a unique handle on what is and isn't subtle or otherwise propaganda and assume that they are somehow above and immune to it. .And what is about their ignorance of the origins of fascism. It always has been a socialist ideology. Conservatism predates both ideologies, despite marxists attempts to brand otherwise

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Hi James. Still venting, still showing ignorance, still labelling. How many more people do you have to convince?

If you've not heard about the glaring lies Fox news has been caught telling in the past few months, you need to be a bit more careful. Not just liberals, or progressives, or pseuds but anyone with a functioning brain can see through that, particularly when they're forced to make public on-air apologies.

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Hi James. Still venting, still showing ignorance, still labelling. How many more people do you have to convince?

If you've not heard about the glaring lies Fox news has been caught telling in the past few months, you need to be a bit more careful. Not just liberals, or progressives, or pseuds but anyone with a functioning brain can see through that, particularly when they're forced to make public on-air apologies.

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Yes yes yes, I sure you only know about the glaring lies because they conflict with the glaring lies issued by your biased left wing pravda of choice., but I'll have to take your word for the apologies issued by Fox, thats good of them, I've generally noted that when the Beeb slanders someone and gets it wrong, as they so very frequently do,they are very slow to issue a correction, so it looks like Fox are leagues up on the honesty scale.

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Yes yes yes, I sure you only know about the glaring lies because they conflict with the glaring lies issued by your biased left wing pravda of choice., but I'll have to take your word for the apologies issued by Fox, thats good of them, I've generally noted that when the Beeb slanders someone and gets it wrong, as they so very frequently do,they are very slow to issue a correction, so it looks like Fox are leagues up on the honesty scale.

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Quick check on BBC, noted recently for Lord McAlpine (conservative) slander,but only after the great Jimmy Savile affair of which the great BBC ( purveyor of all that is good and truthful ), went out of its way to suppress, cancelling programmes etc etc. I'll think you will find, all media are and always have been selective in what they choose to report, sane people like me understand that, others, alas, live in a la la la world, but goodness me, Fox for all its faults, has yet to plumb the depths that the BBC has in recent years.

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Quick check on BBC, noted recently for Lord McAlpine (conservative) slander,but only after the great Jimmy Savile affair of which the great BBC ( purveyor of all that is good and truthful ), went out of its way to suppress, cancelling programmes etc etc. I'll think you will find, all media are and always have been selective in what they choose to report, sane people like me understand that, others, alas, live in a la la la world, but goodness me, Fox for all its faults, has yet to plumb the depths that the BBC has in recent years.

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Yup as I thought. You don't have the questioning abilities to determine the veracity of Fox news reports. I would like to see your sources where the BBC have made the kind of serious propaganda gaff such as Birmingham is "a totally Muslim" city, where apparently "non-Muslims just simply don't go". That's not getting a fact wrong, that's a complete fabrication, provably and objectively incorrect, used to suit an agenda. Let's see the BBC equivalent. I thought Fox News viewers just didn't priorities the truth in their reports - I hadn't realised they were so ignorant they deny the lies altogether, even when they're forced to make on air apologies.

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Yup as I thought. You don't have the questioning abilities to determine the veracity of Fox news reports. I would like to see your sources where the BBC have made the kind of serious propaganda gaff such as Birmingham is "a totally Muslim" city, where apparently "non-Muslims just simply don't go". That's not getting a fact wrong, that's a complete fabrication, provably and objectively incorrect, used to suit an agenda. Let's see the BBC equivalent. I thought Fox News viewers just didn't priorities the truth in their reports - I hadn't realised they were so ignorant they deny the lies altogether, even when they're forced to make on air apologies.

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So you cant read the bit above about me not getting or watching Fox. BTW All media fabricates or gets fooled by sources at times. Of course the editor often has the last say on what gets shown. They don't always have the time to check, and if the story sounds "right" and suits his prejudices,(and is spun to suit his prejudices) then maybe the double checking is bypassed. Most of todays media just regurgitate stuff handed to them, they dont check the facts.. Its called churnalism. Only idiots who live in La la land dont get that.

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So you cant read the bit above about me not getting or watching Fox. BTW All media fabricates or gets fooled by sources at times. Of course the editor often has the last say on what gets shown. They don't always have the time to check, and if the story sounds "right" and suits his prejudices,(and is spun to suit his prejudices) then maybe the double checking is bypassed. Most of todays media just regurgitate stuff handed to them, they dont check the facts.. Its called churnalism. Only idiots who live in La la land dont get that.

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I think the greater idiots are those that do "get that" yet still allow themselves to be influenced by it.

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I think the greater idiots are those that do "get that" yet still allow themselves to be influenced by it.

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Its a very silly little liberal who can't see the ring in his nose.

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Its a very silly little liberal who can't see the ring in his nose.

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I guess the posting of a trite picture means the liberal has shut up shop and disappeared into La la land, complete with drug of choice.

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I guess the posting of a trite picture means the liberal has shut up shop and disappeared into La la land, complete with drug of choice.

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Guest: (843 days ago)

You go girl. Good on ya going after all those la la liberals. You showed them whos boss. One day we'll round up all dem no goodniks in real life and teach them what individual freedom really means. You with me? Yeehaa!

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You go girl. Good on ya going after all those la la liberals. You showed them whos boss. One day we'll round up all dem no goodniks in real life and teach them what individual freedom really means. You with me? Yeehaa!

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"And what is about their ignorance of the origins of fascism. It always has been a socialist ideology"

Ok, so lets see:

Fascist Manifesto LINK is a bit different to the Communist Manifesto LINK aka Marxist socialism.

You've been had by American conservative propaganda. One is a consolidation of corporate power, the other the replacement of corporate power. One is left wing the other right wing.

Anyway, I'm sure you're incapable of incorporating new ideas into your world view so I'll stop here. You continue believing anything said by "conservatives" if you want, it is your anchor for deciding what is true or not however obvious it is that you're wrong.

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"And what is about their ignorance of the origins of fascism. It always has been a socialist ideology"

Ok, so lets see:

Fascist Manifesto LINK is a bit different to the Communist Manifesto LINK aka Marxist socialism.

You've been had by American conservative propaganda. One is a consolidation of corporate power, the other the replacement of corporate power. One is left wing the other right wing.

Anyway, I'm sure you're incapable of incorporating new ideas into your world view so I'll stop here. You continue believing anything said by "conservatives" if you want, it is your anchor for deciding what is true or not however obvious it is that you're wrong.

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Fascism is classed as a subset of socialism. I'm just going with the accepted historical definition (mussolini).

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Fascism is classed as a subset of socialism. I'm just going with the accepted historical definition (mussolini).

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Guest: (843 days ago)

No, you're talking gibberish.

Types of socialism - LINK

Fascism - LINK

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No, you're talking gibberish.

Types of socialism - LINK

Fascism - LINK

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So the fact that the word fascism is derived from the symbol fascis ( representing collectivism) and the fascist party was started by a communist, has no bearing at all. Isn't history and education fun !.

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So the fact that the word fascism is derived from the symbol fascis ( representing collectivism) and the fascist party was started by a communist, has no bearing at all. Isn't history and education fun !.

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I guess its more fun when you confuse concepts that you obviously don't understand in order to prove that everyone that doesn't agree with your incredibly simplistic interpretations are involved in a conspiracy.

The American flag has stars on it. So does Chinas flag. Therefore America must be a communist dictatorship. Simples.

And Jonah Goldberg is a morron.

Get your head out of conspiracy theories and grow the **** up.

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I guess its more fun when you confuse concepts that you obviously don't understand in order to prove that everyone that doesn't agree with your incredibly simplistic interpretations are involved in a conspiracy.

The American flag has stars on it. So does Chinas flag. Therefore America must be a communist dictatorship. Simples.

And Jonah Goldberg is a morron.

Get your head out of conspiracy theories and grow the **** up.

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Nah I just read History books.Something backward people like you seem to think don't exist. Here's an example. Conservative party named as such in the 1830's. How long before Karl Marx put pen to paper was that ? Hmmmmn . Life and history of Mussolini is also quite well documented, apparently he was active in the 20th century, and was a leading light in the rise of fascism, some time after Conservative party was named as such Such quandries for the guest above to consider.

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Nah I just read History books.Something backward people like you seem to think don't exist. Here's an example. Conservative party named as such in the 1830's. How long before Karl Marx put pen to paper was that ? Hmmmmn . Life and history of Mussolini is also quite well documented, apparently he was active in the 20th century, and was a leading light in the rise of fascism, some time after Conservative party was named as such Such quandries for the guest above to consider.

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I very much doubt you read history books, you can barely read online comments.

The term conservative has always been relative to the times it has been used in. Hense why today it mostly means classically liberal, you know, like Margaret Thatcher LINK

I thought you hated liberals? Are you finally finding out that you hate yourself? Poor simple minded bigot, why can't you have brains too, like all the normal children. Hahaha.

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I very much doubt you read history books, you can barely read online comments.

The term conservative has always been relative to the times it has been used in. Hense why today it mostly means classically liberal, you know, like Margaret Thatcher LINK

I thought you hated liberals? Are you finally finding out that you hate yourself? Poor simple minded bigot, why can't you have brains too, like all the normal children. Hahaha.

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As i said I hate modern "liberals". who have hijacked the term, and more so because they actually look like they are turning into a H G Wells 21st version of the 20's and 30's fascists. So much so, that all the "far right" are infiltrating the movement,

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As i said I hate modern "liberals". who have hijacked the term, and more so because they actually look like they are turning into a H G Wells 21st version of the 20's and 30's fascists. So much so, that all the "far right" are infiltrating the movement,

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WTF are you going on about? You've never once mentioned modern liberals. I'm pretty sure this is the first time the notion that terms like conservative/liberal have meant different things at different times throughout history has even entered your thick skull.

You're a modern day fascist dumbskull. A far right hate monger. Because you're dumber than a box a rocks, prejudiced, intolerant and yet think you're superior to everyone you hate.

You're basically just a really pathetically dumb psycho.

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WTF are you going on about? You've never once mentioned modern liberals. I'm pretty sure this is the first time the notion that terms like conservative/liberal have meant different things at different times throughout history has even entered your thick skull.

You're a modern day fascist dumbskull. A far right hate monger. Because you're dumber than a box a rocks, prejudiced, intolerant and yet think you're superior to everyone you hate.

You're basically just a really pathetically dumb psycho.

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For liberals scroll to the top. Not a psycho, just a keen observer and historian. Look at the SNP go !. Aren't they supposed to be to the left of labour. Whats that ... bigotry and hatred and racism !!! No latent fascism there .... right ???. Weird mixture of trots and fascists.just like in the spanish civil war.Yes terms get misused by people like you., people like me look up their original meaning. Btw think you're an uniformed useful idiot, just smart enough to learn bleat of the week.

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For liberals scroll to the top. Not a psycho, just a keen observer and historian. Look at the SNP go !. Aren't they supposed to be to the left of labour. Whats that ... bigotry and hatred and racism !!! No latent fascism there .... right ???. Weird mixture of trots and fascists.just like in the spanish civil war.Yes terms get misused by people like you., people like me look up their original meaning. Btw think you're an uniformed useful idiot, just smart enough to learn bleat of the week.

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Me know thing. Me say words me read in newspaper. Me make sense cos me say say so. Me have brain. Me use brain cos me right. Me have no idea when people lying. Me like people lying.

Useful idiot? I guess thats better than being a useless idiot.

Listen knuckle dragger, you're just regurgitating bullshit you've read in the newspapers and twisting terms backwards and forwards, contradicting yourself all over the place.

This really does suggest you're just an ignorant pyschopath.

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Me know thing. Me say words me read in newspaper. Me make sense cos me say say so. Me have brain. Me use brain cos me right. Me have no idea when people lying. Me like people lying.

Useful idiot? I guess thats better than being a useless idiot.

Listen knuckle dragger, you're just regurgitating bullshit you've read in the newspapers and twisting terms backwards and forwards, contradicting yourself all over the place.

This really does suggest you're just an ignorant pyschopath.

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So when all the snp mps walked into parliament recently wearing white roses to commemorate a noted scottish fascist (and nationalist), nobody raised an eyebrow ?.

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So when all the snp mps walked into parliament recently wearing white roses to commemorate a noted scottish fascist (and nationalist), nobody raised an eyebrow ?.

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Erm... it commemorates a scottish communist not a fascist. There you go again confusing terms again.

"MacDiarmid flirted with fascism in his early thirties, when he believed it was a doctrine of the left. In two articles written in 1923, Plea for a Scottish Fascism and Programme for a Scottish Fascism, he appeared to support Mussolini’s regime. By the 1930s however, following Mussolini’s lurch to the right, his position had changed and he castigated Neville Chamberlain over his appeasement of Hitler’s expansionism." LINK

Do you ever manage to get something right? Maybe you actually do it on purpose? I think you're just too dim to even bother checking whether the newspaper bullshit you read is correct or not.

You're a fascist dumb *********

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Erm... it commemorates a scottish communist not a fascist. There you go again confusing terms again.

"MacDiarmid flirted with fascism in his early thirties, when he believed it was a doctrine of the left. In two articles written in 1923, Plea for a Scottish Fascism and Programme for a Scottish Fascism, he appeared to support Mussolini’s regime. By the 1930s however, following Mussolini’s lurch to the right, his position had changed and he castigated Neville Chamberlain over his appeasement of Hitler’s expansionism." LINK

Do you ever manage to get something right? Maybe you actually do it on purpose? I think you're just too dim to even bother checking whether the newspaper bullshit you read is correct or not.

You're a fascist dumb *********

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A communist who praised Hitler !!, and flirted with fascism. !!!!!. So in other words a living (now dead of course) demonstration of the two sides of socialism. Thanks for proving my point about fascism being a socialist ideology.I WIN.

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A communist who praised Hitler !!, and flirted with fascism. !!!!!. So in other words a living (now dead of course) demonstration of the two sides of socialism. Thanks for proving my point about fascism being a socialist ideology.I WIN.

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No, you don't 'win' you utter imbecile. If you had actually read any history books you would understand why. I'm not going to explain this shit to you any longer, you're a complete waste of time and electricity.

Please, stop making things up, twisting everything around and recognise that you're a deeply disturbed, ignorant sack of shit.

Fascism requires a mass of ignorant, disturbed people. You're its constituency. You are what will create the next fascist movement if there is one, which hopefully there wont be.

Stop trying to win. Try to understand instead. Understanding has no winners or losers. Ignorance does, which is why it leads to real world hostilities.

You will never 'win' because you haven't realised there is no game being played.

Goodbye, you utter ******* cretinous imbecile.

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No, you don't 'win' you utter imbecile. If you had actually read any history books you would understand why. I'm not going to explain this shit to you any longer, you're a complete waste of time and electricity.

Please, stop making things up, twisting everything around and recognise that you're a deeply disturbed, ignorant sack of shit.

Fascism requires a mass of ignorant, disturbed people. You're its constituency. You are what will create the next fascist movement if there is one, which hopefully there wont be.

Stop trying to win. Try to understand instead. Understanding has no winners or losers. Ignorance does, which is why it leads to real world hostilities.

You will never 'win' because you haven't realised there is no game being played.

Goodbye, you utter ******* cretinous imbecile.

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I concede. You are right. I admit I am an imbecile, but I do like winding you up

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I concede. You are right. I admit I am an imbecile, but I do like winding you up

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Enjoying winding people up shows a very unhealthy mind. You might want to try dong something about that, don't you think? The first step is getting honest with yourself. Think you can manage that?

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Enjoying winding people up shows a very unhealthy mind. You might want to try dong something about that, don't you think? The first step is getting honest with yourself. Think you can manage that?

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Well honestly, I think it's a public service to show liberal/ progressive/ socialists just how contrived their logic is, especially as they seem so eager to spit the dummy and hurl insults when faced with a fact. I'm dishing out karma for all the crap they throw at other people.

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Well honestly, I think it's a public service to show liberal/ progressive/ socialists just how contrived their logic is, especially as they seem so eager to spit the dummy and hurl insults when faced with a fact. I'm dishing out karma for all the crap they throw at other people.

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You're a troll. All you're doing is baiting people. You're not providing a public service, you're satisfying your sadistic urges and proving that, if you haven't already undergone a lobotomy, that it wouldn't result in any significant behavioural changes.

Bye dummy fascist, sorry I mean liberal, sorry I mean trollist ;)

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You're a troll. All you're doing is baiting people. You're not providing a public service, you're satisfying your sadistic urges and proving that, if you haven't already undergone a lobotomy, that it wouldn't result in any significant behavioural changes.

Bye dummy fascist, sorry I mean liberal, sorry I mean trollist ;)

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Guest: (842 days ago)

But by keeping you occupied, I prevent you annoying other people. As I said public service,

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But by keeping you occupied, I prevent you annoying other people. As I said public service,

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Right so in YOU'RE words a communist "flirted" with fascism. Now forgive me for pointing out that if fascism and communism were at opposite ends of the political spectrum, that would be quite a change in political thinking verging on a damascene conversion, and to reverse that thinking ??????., well I 'd like to think a period in a hospital would be recommended to achieve that.. Isn't is just easier to note that communism marxism etc and fascism have identical socialist roots, and thats why a "flirting" was possible, and ideas like eugenics and inventing poison gases (as used in the death camps) being advocated by communists, marxists and fascists alike, is because of their common roots..I WIN AGAIN, ya cretin

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Right so in YOU'RE words a communist "flirted" with fascism. Now forgive me for pointing out that if fascism and communism were at opposite ends of the political spectrum, that would be quite a change in political thinking verging on a damascene conversion, and to reverse that thinking ??????., well I 'd like to think a period in a hospital would be recommended to achieve that.. Isn't is just easier to note that communism marxism etc and fascism have identical socialist roots, and thats why a "flirting" was possible, and ideas like eugenics and inventing poison gases (as used in the death camps) being advocated by communists, marxists and fascists alike, is because of their common roots..I WIN AGAIN, ya cretin

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No, you don't win. I imagine thats you're entire life story.

This is really simple stuff. Firstly, not my words, a quote from Wikipedia. Why can't you even grasp the simplest of things like that?

Here goes:

Fascism (Mussolini, Hilter etc.) - right wing centrally planned economy, anti equality, pro class hierarchy (i.e. conservative). Much death ensues.

Socialism (Lenin, Trotsky etc.) - left wing centrally planned economy, pro equality, anti class hierarchy (i.e. liberal). Can easily be taken over by right wingers (Stalin) and therefore much death ensues.

Have I made this simple enough for you? Fascism being left wing is a modern invention by moron conservative writers like Jonah Goldberg.

A review of Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism:

"The book reads like a Google search gone gaga. Some Fascists were vegetarians; some liberals are vegetarians; ergo... Some Fascists were gay; some liberals are gay... Fascists cared about educating children; Hillary Clinton cares about educating children. Aha! ... Like Coulter, he's got a bunch of footnotes. And for all I know, they check out. But they are put in the service of an argument that no one with any knowledge of the topic would take seriously."

American conservatives have been going nuts writing pseudo intellectual nonsense like this for the past 30 years. Their target audience is ****** up idiots like you.

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No, you don't win. I imagine thats you're entire life story.

This is really simple stuff. Firstly, not my words, a quote from Wikipedia. Why can't you even grasp the simplest of things like that?

Here goes:

Fascism (Mussolini, Hilter etc.) - right wing centrally planned economy, anti equality, pro class hierarchy (i.e. conservative). Much death ensues.

Socialism (Lenin, Trotsky etc.) - left wing centrally planned economy, pro equality, anti class hierarchy (i.e. liberal). Can easily be taken over by right wingers (Stalin) and therefore much death ensues.

Have I made this simple enough for you? Fascism being left wing is a modern invention by moron conservative writers like Jonah Goldberg.

A review of Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism:

"The book reads like a Google search gone gaga. Some Fascists were vegetarians; some liberals are vegetarians; ergo... Some Fascists were gay; some liberals are gay... Fascists cared about educating children; Hillary Clinton cares about educating children. Aha! ... Like Coulter, he's got a bunch of footnotes. And for all I know, they check out. But they are put in the service of an argument that no one with any knowledge of the topic would take seriously."

American conservatives have been going nuts writing pseudo intellectual nonsense like this for the past 30 years. Their target audience is ****** up idiots like you.

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Hasn't anyone told you wikipedia isn't a valid source for anything except the driest subjects, and politics definitely ain't that,.Its quite simple, when you look up the history of all the prominent historical fascists, you find they all have socialist backgrounds !!!!. Its just an observation, and no amount of "4 legs good 2 legs bad" chanting by idiot liberal sheep is going to change that. You are just stuck with the unpalatable truth that to be a good fascist, you have to start with socialism. !!

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Hasn't anyone told you wikipedia isn't a valid source for anything except the driest subjects, and politics definitely ain't that,.Its quite simple, when you look up the history of all the prominent historical fascists, you find they all have socialist backgrounds !!!!. Its just an observation, and no amount of "4 legs good 2 legs bad" chanting by idiot liberal sheep is going to change that. You are just stuck with the unpalatable truth that to be a good fascist, you have to start with socialism. !!

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Seeing as fascists have now applied their quintessential distorting and warping of basic language trait to have arrived at the idea that liberals are now fascists (now theres a brilliant example of gaslighting) I think we need a new label to describe them.

How about trollists? Or trollism? Or just simply psychoists / psychoism?

You may think of me as a liberal sheep or a good fascist (nice oxymoron). But what you fail to recognise is that I see you as a very sick, mentally ill person with an extremely below average intellect and a sadistic nature.

Try not to stab yourself in the eye with your fork when eating your dinner tonight. Presumably you've only got one eye left as well as various missing fingers. Fish fingers aren't real fingers silly sadist.

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Seeing as fascists have now applied their quintessential distorting and warping of basic language trait to have arrived at the idea that liberals are now fascists (now theres a brilliant example of gaslighting) I think we need a new label to describe them.

How about trollists? Or trollism? Or just simply psychoists / psychoism?

You may think of me as a liberal sheep or a good fascist (nice oxymoron). But what you fail to recognise is that I see you as a very sick, mentally ill person with an extremely below average intellect and a sadistic nature.

Try not to stab yourself in the eye with your fork when eating your dinner tonight. Presumably you've only got one eye left as well as various missing fingers. Fish fingers aren't real fingers silly sadist.

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Do keep an eye on the SNP. Not for nothing are they called "The Nasty Party". And I can hold a civil conversation, but alas for you, only with normal people. Btw obsession with IQ tests is something I got over when I was 14.

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Do keep an eye on the SNP. Not for nothing are they called "The Nasty Party". And I can hold a civil conversation, but alas for you, only with normal people. Btw obsession with IQ tests is something I got over when I was 14.

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