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Mumbai's crap beach

(7:06) Mumbai is home to the most expensive residence in the world, Antilia, a 27 storey skyscraper valued at over $1 billion. Yet according to a resident of Mumbai's nearby slums, there are only 4 toilet blocks, and a beach for 25,000 people.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (717 days ago)

At least they've got a space program.

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At least they've got a space program.

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Guest: NotBornThere (717 days ago)

Twenty-five thousand people and no incentive to develop a sanitation infrastructure. I thought that was no. 2 (no pun intended) on the list of basics for a society after supplying water. I guess they'll just "sit back" and wait for a good cholera epidemic to get motivated.

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Twenty-five thousand people and no incentive to develop a sanitation infrastructure. I thought that was no. 2 (no pun intended) on the list of basics for a society after supplying water. I guess they'll just "sit back" and wait for a good cholera epidemic to get motivated.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (717 days ago)

There's no direct profit in sanitation infrastructure, so this is a perfect case for Indian tax payers to invest in their own people and provide reasonable living standards.

Unless you're a libertarian of course, then they should be left with the freedom to choose which part of the beach to shit on.

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There's no direct profit in sanitation infrastructure, so this is a perfect case for Indian tax payers to invest in their own people and provide reasonable living standards.

Unless you're a libertarian of course, then they should be left with the freedom to choose which part of the beach to shit on.

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

Considering India was considered Socialist until 1991 you can see first hand where the problem lies. It takes along time to right the destruction of an economy that socialism does. Free market capitalism is the only viable and sustainable way to raise the living standards of all.

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Considering India was considered Socialist until 1991 you can see first hand where the problem lies. It takes along time to right the destruction of an economy that socialism does. Free market capitalism is the only viable and sustainable way to raise the living standards of all.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (715 days ago)

So in 24 years, the free market has failed to provide sanitation for 25,000 slum dwellers, yet in the same city, build the world's most expensive private residence.

And just in case you thought Mumbai was an anomaly, in the world's greatest exponent of the free market, the US, there's Silicon Valley: LINK If you haven't seen this before, prepare to be shocked.

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So in 24 years, the free market has failed to provide sanitation for 25,000 slum dwellers, yet in the same city, build the world's most expensive private residence.

And just in case you thought Mumbai was an anomaly, in the world's greatest exponent of the free market, the US, there's Silicon Valley: LINK If you haven't seen this before, prepare to be shocked.

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

Okay saw the link, a lot of people affected by the GFC caused by govt. intervention in the market place. Blowing bubble after bubble, mandating banks to lend to people who couldn't afford to pay mortgages and backstopping those loans with GSE's Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac giving the private sector the go ahead they needed to make those loans without fear they'd never get payed back. THAT is what socialists can NEVER seem to understand, the unintended consequences. As Bastiat said, and you took as being a bad thing, there are SEEN and UNSEEN consequences. A socialist thinks " Yeah! Everyone has a right to a house, to participate in the American Dream!" but the UNSEEN consequences of such policies, the policies of the Corbins and Sanders, make the lives of the very people they are trying to help much worse off! The road to hell is paved with good intentions...that should be the socialists mantra!

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Okay saw the link, a lot of people affected by the GFC caused by govt. intervention in the market place. Blowing bubble after bubble, mandating banks to lend to people who couldn't afford to pay mortgages and backstopping those loans with GSE's Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac giving the private sector the go ahead they needed to make those loans without fear they'd never get payed back. THAT is what socialists can NEVER seem to understand, the unintended consequences. As Bastiat said, and you took as being a bad thing, there are SEEN and UNSEEN consequences. A socialist thinks " Yeah! Everyone has a right to a house, to participate in the American Dream!" but the UNSEEN consequences of such policies, the policies of the Corbins and Sanders, make the lives of the very people they are trying to help much worse off! The road to hell is paved with good intentions...that should be the socialists mantra!

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

Haven't looked at the link yet but I can assure you the US is about as far from free market capitalism as you can get. As I've mentioned many times before under the free market all those corporations never would have been bailed out, the banks never would have been incentivised to lend money to people who couldn't afford to pay their mortgages back and the indebtedness of most countries would not have become the problem it has and everyone would be far better off. Under your idea of socialism the govt. would and has propped up these companies like GE etc. spent something like $200,000 per person per job to get unemployment up etc. does that sound sustainable to you?

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Haven't looked at the link yet but I can assure you the US is about as far from free market capitalism as you can get. As I've mentioned many times before under the free market all those corporations never would have been bailed out, the banks never would have been incentivised to lend money to people who couldn't afford to pay their mortgages back and the indebtedness of most countries would not have become the problem it has and everyone would be far better off. Under your idea of socialism the govt. would and has propped up these companies like GE etc. spent something like $200,000 per person per job to get unemployment up etc. does that sound sustainable to you?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (714 days ago)

The US is Bastiat's "full picture" in reality. Capitalism needs regulation to keep it sustainable, otherwise it's "infinite growth on a finite planet", which is doomed to failure. Capitalism also needs regulation to keep it under the "control" of the consumer, ie. the people. We use purchasing power to keep business in check.

Laissez-faire capitalism, where regulations are relaxed as much as possible, rather than competing in the traditional capitalist way (by creating a better product) companies buy their rivals and become immune to purchasing power - that's right, the people's power to "control" business is lost when monopolies start emerging.

It doesn't take long before companies realise that influencing government is by far the most cost effective way of increasing profits. Think about it. It's the small cost of bribing people on an individual human scale, with rewards on a global scale. The perfect way to increase profit if you already own most of the market.

So big business buys government and the result is the US today - with bloated government (that's what happens to corrupt govt), a military industrial complex, blatant insider trading in Congress, the world's biggest private prison system ... etc.

The ultimate "full picture" of libertarianism is 1 company running the world.

Bastiat's "full picture" was his back yard. Today, the back yard is the whole world with huge global issues that need urgent attention. Libertarianism simply can't address issues on a global scale. It's an idea that was made for the Iron Age and worked very well then.

Time to put on your modernising cap, you're only a few hundred years late.

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The US is Bastiat's "full picture" in reality. Capitalism needs regulation to keep it sustainable, otherwise it's "infinite growth on a finite planet", which is doomed to failure. Capitalism also needs regulation to keep it under the "control" of the consumer, ie. the people. We use purchasing power to keep business in check.

Laissez-faire capitalism, where regulations are relaxed as much as possible, rather than competing in the traditional capitalist way (by creating a better product) companies buy their rivals and become immune to purchasing power - that's right, the people's power to "control" business is lost when monopolies start emerging.

It doesn't take long before companies realise that influencing government is by far the most cost effective way of increasing profits. Think about it. It's the small cost of bribing people on an individual human scale, with rewards on a global scale. The perfect way to increase profit if you already own most of the market.

So big business buys government and the result is the US today - with bloated government (that's what happens to corrupt govt), a military industrial complex, blatant insider trading in Congress, the world's biggest private prison system ... etc.

The ultimate "full picture" of libertarianism is 1 company running the world.

Bastiat's "full picture" was his back yard. Today, the back yard is the whole world with huge global issues that need urgent attention. Libertarianism simply can't address issues on a global scale. It's an idea that was made for the Iron Age and worked very well then.

Time to put on your modernising cap, you're only a few hundred years late.

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Casey Casey (714 days ago)

Rubbish. Regulation is what's killing capitalism, that's why it's not free market! If no one is harmed where's the problem?

monopolies are caused by govt. getting rid of the small players who can compete with the big ones through over regulation. But besides that your assertion that big business just buy out the competition and get bigger and bigger doesn't hold up to the facts. Only about 10% of the fortune 500 companies are still around today 50 years later. You have had enumerable huge companies start up and disappear in that time and been over taken by new start ups.

You say "big business buys govt." there you are right there, in your own words, that's NOT free market is it? You contradict your own assertions.

How can one company rule the world? Where do you get that silly idea from? How can that even happen? In a libertarian world of free enterprise, competition and human nature how can any ONE rule the world? Your fear of one huge monopoly can never happen....UNLESS it's a one world govt. which is what socialism is all about and would be an end to humanity as we know it. One person or group who decides what's best for all of us in their own image. That's what you want Walter,thats your idea of paradise, not mine.

So, according to your "logic" a small govt. becoming completely corrupt will end up ruling the world? So why isn't Zimbabwe making huge waves in ruling the world? Because it doesn't have the POWER to.! Whereas the govt. you want we already have an advanced case of, a govt. that gradually, then suddenly takes all the power it needs for its own ends, think what happened to Snowden and Manning in the US and Assange in Britain. In Mannings case he showed how the US was giulty of murdering civilians but now HE is under arrest. THATS the result of giving govt. too much power. You seem to think that there are a bunch of angels out there who, given power, will not abuse it. They always have and always will, you are naive to think otherwise. The only solution is to keep them in check by diluting and separating powers. The people have never bankrupted a nation or gone to war by themselves, it's always been by the hand of govt. is it big business that's spying on you? That's forcing big corporations like Google, Apple etc. to give over all your personal info.? Is it big business that's putting whistleblowers behind bars and killing civilians? Destroying whole countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. ? No, it's your govt. and most are participating in it. If I'm a hundred years too late you're not even on the planet.

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Rubbish. Regulation is what's killing capitalism, that's why it's not free market! If no one is harmed where's the problem?

monopolies are caused by govt. getting rid of the small players who can compete with the big ones through over regulation. But besides that your assertion that big business just buy out the competition and get bigger and bigger doesn't hold up to the facts. Only about 10% of the fortune 500 companies are still around today 50 years later. You have had enumerable huge companies start up and disappear in that time and been over taken by new start ups.

You say "big business buys govt." there you are right there, in your own words, that's NOT free market is it? You contradict your own assertions.

How can one company rule the world? Where do you get that silly idea from? How can that even happen? In a libertarian world of free enterprise, competition and human nature how can any ONE rule the world? Your fear of one huge monopoly can never happen....UNLESS it's a one world govt. which is what socialism is all about and would be an end to humanity as we know it. One person or group who decides what's best for all of us in their own image. That's what you want Walter,thats your idea of paradise, not mine.

So, according to your "logic" a small govt. becoming completely corrupt will end up ruling the world? So why isn't Zimbabwe making huge waves in ruling the world? Because it doesn't have the POWER to.! Whereas the govt. you want we already have an advanced case of, a govt. that gradually, then suddenly takes all the power it needs for its own ends, think what happened to Snowden and Manning in the US and Assange in Britain. In Mannings case he showed how the US was giulty of murdering civilians but now HE is under arrest. THATS the result of giving govt. too much power. You seem to think that there are a bunch of angels out there who, given power, will not abuse it. They always have and always will, you are naive to think otherwise. The only solution is to keep them in check by diluting and separating powers. The people have never bankrupted a nation or gone to war by themselves, it's always been by the hand of govt. is it big business that's spying on you? That's forcing big corporations like Google, Apple etc. to give over all your personal info.? Is it big business that's putting whistleblowers behind bars and killing civilians? Destroying whole countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. ? No, it's your govt. and most are participating in it. If I'm a hundred years too late you're not even on the planet.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (714 days ago)

" monopolies are caused by govt. getting rid of the small players who can compete with the big ones through over regulation. " When you talk about govt, you're talking about govt controlled by big business. So it's not surprising that rules and regulations are in favour of big business. But that's not the main cause of monopolies. Lack of regulation is.

" Only about 10% of the fortune 500 companies are still around today 50 years later. " Big companies gobble up each other, not just the little fish. Once we had Exxon and Mobile, now we have ExxonMobile. But the Koch brothers don't only own ExxonMobile, they own a host of other companies as well. LINK

According to Wikipedia, Google has been acquiring on average more than one company a week since 2010. LINK

When startups look for investment, investors are only interested in their return on investment, ie. when the startup will sell up to a bigger company, for example, when will Facebook buy your app. Occasionally, a startup will go right to the top without selling out, like Facebook.

" So, according to your "logic" a small govt. becoming completely corrupt will end up ruling the world? So why isn't Zimbabwe making huge waves in ruling the world? " Zimbabwe isn't ruling the world because it is corrupted by one man, not by big business as in the US.

If the free market and corruption is left unchecked, then a bloated corrupt government controlled by a small number of huge companies will rule the world. Big business doesn't want regulations that affect profit, but also loves bloated corrupt government because the people will blame government for all their ills. You are being conned by big business. We need the power of government to be in our hands, the hands of the people, pure and simple.

" Whereas the govt. you want we already have an advanced case of … " You keep thinking I'm defending the current corrupt US government. I'm 100% with you that government is badly broken. You just think the solution is to have less of it, I've explained why it's not.

The libertarian premise of "small government" is simply not understanding the root problem. Power vacuums don't exist. Removing power from one place shifts it somewhere else. In Iraq, removing Saddam shifted power to ISIS. "Small govt" shifts power to big business, not to the people. The best (only?) way to prevent the excesses of power IMO is to devolve it to the people - so that no individual or organisation can become too powerful. So instead of removing power and creating a vacuum filled by big business, we hand power over to the collective wisdom of the public. If the public are happy with fracking companies not disclosing the chemicals they use, so be it - no regulation need be passed. But it's the public who should decide.

It's corruption that needs to be removed from government, not power. That is the challenge. Task for the day, design an incorruptible system for making the rules and regulations that govern society.

Libertarianism is an outdated idea because it can't deal with global issues. Tell me this, how does a hardcore libertarian deal with climate change, other than deny it?

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" monopolies are caused by govt. getting rid of the small players who can compete with the big ones through over regulation. " When you talk about govt, you're talking about govt controlled by big business. So it's not surprising that rules and regulations are in favour of big business. But that's not the main cause of monopolies. Lack of regulation is.

" Only about 10% of the fortune 500 companies are still around today 50 years later. " Big companies gobble up each other, not just the little fish. Once we had Exxon and Mobile, now we have ExxonMobile. But the Koch brothers don't only own ExxonMobile, they own a host of other companies as well. LINK

According to Wikipedia, Google has been acquiring on average more than one company a week since 2010. LINK

When startups look for investment, investors are only interested in their return on investment, ie. when the startup will sell up to a bigger company, for example, when will Facebook buy your app. Occasionally, a startup will go right to the top without selling out, like Facebook.

" So, according to your "logic" a small govt. becoming completely corrupt will end up ruling the world? So why isn't Zimbabwe making huge waves in ruling the world? " Zimbabwe isn't ruling the world because it is corrupted by one man, not by big business as in the US.

If the free market and corruption is left unchecked, then a bloated corrupt government controlled by a small number of huge companies will rule the world. Big business doesn't want regulations that affect profit, but also loves bloated corrupt government because the people will blame government for all their ills. You are being conned by big business. We need the power of government to be in our hands, the hands of the people, pure and simple.

" Whereas the govt. you want we already have an advanced case of … " You keep thinking I'm defending the current corrupt US government. I'm 100% with you that government is badly broken. You just think the solution is to have less of it, I've explained why it's not.

The libertarian premise of "small government" is simply not understanding the root problem. Power vacuums don't exist. Removing power from one place shifts it somewhere else. In Iraq, removing Saddam shifted power to ISIS. "Small govt" shifts power to big business, not to the people. The best (only?) way to prevent the excesses of power IMO is to devolve it to the people - so that no individual or organisation can become too powerful. So instead of removing power and creating a vacuum filled by big business, we hand power over to the collective wisdom of the public. If the public are happy with fracking companies not disclosing the chemicals they use, so be it - no regulation need be passed. But it's the public who should decide.

It's corruption that needs to be removed from government, not power. That is the challenge. Task for the day, design an incorruptible system for making the rules and regulations that govern society.

Libertarianism is an outdated idea because it can't deal with global issues. Tell me this, how does a hardcore libertarian deal with climate change, other than deny it?

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Casey Casey (712 days ago)

Oh, and I forgot, from the libertarian website on the environment

"We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behaviour"

whodathunk?

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Oh, and I forgot, from the libertarian website on the environment

"We support a clean and healthy environment and sensible use of our natural resources. Private landowners and conservation groups have a vested interest in maintaining natural resources. Pollution and misuse of resources cause damage to our ecosystem. Governments, unlike private businesses, are unaccountable for such damage done to our environment and have a terrible track record when it comes to environmental protection. Protecting the environment requires a clear definition and enforcement of individual rights in resources like land, water, air, and wildlife. Free markets and property rights stimulate the technological innovations and behavioral changes required to protect our environment and ecosystems. We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behaviour"

whodathunk?

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Casey Casey (712 days ago)

No, I'm not talking about govt. controlled by big business, I'm talking about knee jerk reactions by govt. admin. regards to a myriad of natural problems that arise and think they "must do something about". The health and safety regulations alone are incredibly stifling to small businesses.

Of course start ups look to sell out! Did you read the post I wrote a few days ago where I said many friends are giving up their businesses due to all the requirements these days? That just proves my point.

How many times do I have to say it? Free market doesn't mean free for all, you know that but keep on same false assumptions because otherwise it doesn't fit your agenda.

I know you're not defending the current govt. , what I'm saying is that's what your socialist tendencies lead to. You want big, powerful govt but kinder and for the people...its a pipe dream. You don't trust people to look after their own affairs and behave properly and rationally towards each other but you trust other people 99.9% don't even KNOW to do the right thing.

You say the public should decide, jezus, you're more radical than I thought! You have to have individual property rights over majority rule or else you are condemning all minorities...and here I was thinking you were standing up for the poor, weak and small among us.

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No, I'm not talking about govt. controlled by big business, I'm talking about knee jerk reactions by govt. admin. regards to a myriad of natural problems that arise and think they "must do something about". The health and safety regulations alone are incredibly stifling to small businesses.

Of course start ups look to sell out! Did you read the post I wrote a few days ago where I said many friends are giving up their businesses due to all the requirements these days? That just proves my point.

How many times do I have to say it? Free market doesn't mean free for all, you know that but keep on same false assumptions because otherwise it doesn't fit your agenda.

I know you're not defending the current govt. , what I'm saying is that's what your socialist tendencies lead to. You want big, powerful govt but kinder and for the people...its a pipe dream. You don't trust people to look after their own affairs and behave properly and rationally towards each other but you trust other people 99.9% don't even KNOW to do the right thing.

You say the public should decide, jezus, you're more radical than I thought! You have to have individual property rights over majority rule or else you are condemning all minorities...and here I was thinking you were standing up for the poor, weak and small among us.

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The love of money is the root of all evil. Capitalism and Socialism, Left Hand and Right Hand, are but mirror images of satanic control for the extortion of man through usury.

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The love of money is the root of all evil. Capitalism and Socialism, Left Hand and Right Hand, are but mirror images of satanic control for the extortion of man through usury.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (716 days ago)

I disagree. There are huge profits to be made with a sanitation infrastructure. If you do not belong to a co-op, you are most likely paying a for-profit company for your utilities which includes sewage. They make a lot of money getting rid of waste. Some companies even make more money when they convert that biomatter to energy. LINK

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I disagree. There are huge profits to be made with a sanitation infrastructure. If you do not belong to a co-op, you are most likely paying a for-profit company for your utilities which includes sewage. They make a lot of money getting rid of waste. Some companies even make more money when they convert that biomatter to energy. LINK

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (716 days ago)

I smell a business opportunity for you. Go for it.

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I smell a business opportunity for you. Go for it.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (716 days ago)

With all the shit that you spew, I could make a fortune.

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With all the shit that you spew, I could make a fortune.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (716 days ago)

Be my guest :)

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Be my guest :)

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Guest: pooinspextor (715 days ago)

just kill these degenerate oxygen theives, problem goes away, dirty pheasants

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just kill these degenerate oxygen theives, problem goes away, dirty pheasants

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TheBob TheBob (716 days ago)

Have you come across WSUP LINK ?

They've developed a model for providing clean water and sanitation into slums. Basically the poor people are paying for water anyway, it's just from dodgy water-carriers. WSUP's model incentivises the local water utility company by harnessing all the little payments the poor are already paying.

The people pay the same (or less) for clean water and sanitation, the water company gets a new market and a bit of profit. Problem solved (apart from the libertarians)

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Have you come across WSUP LINK ?

They've developed a model for providing clean water and sanitation into slums. Basically the poor people are paying for water anyway, it's just from dodgy water-carriers. WSUP's model incentivises the local water utility company by harnessing all the little payments the poor are already paying.

The people pay the same (or less) for clean water and sanitation, the water company gets a new market and a bit of profit. Problem solved (apart from the libertarians)

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

From WSUP link you sent ...

"As a multi-sector partnership, we offer a creative package of expertise from private sector, NGOs and academia to achieve this."

sounds like the perfect libertarian scenario, private enterprise filling a need without the help of govt. except of course all the beaurocratic redtape to add to all the costs.

libertarianism is for letting people free to do as they want(within the rule of law of law of course, have to add that in for those who like to think it s a free for all but really know it's not) when people are free and unhindered by excessive taxes and beaurocracy they usually do a lot of good, intentionally or unintentally, the invisible hand.

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From WSUP link you sent ...

"As a multi-sector partnership, we offer a creative package of expertise from private sector, NGOs and academia to achieve this."

sounds like the perfect libertarian scenario, private enterprise filling a need without the help of govt. except of course all the beaurocratic redtape to add to all the costs.

libertarianism is for letting people free to do as they want(within the rule of law of law of course, have to add that in for those who like to think it s a free for all but really know it's not) when people are free and unhindered by excessive taxes and beaurocracy they usually do a lot of good, intentionally or unintentally, the invisible hand.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (715 days ago)

All political systems allow people to be free as long as they stay within the law, even North Korea.

The question is, what laws and who makes them. I'll ask you again, should laws be made by government bought by big business (corrupt government), or government independent of big business (paid for and overseen by the public)? It's a simple enough question. Please have a go at answering.

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All political systems allow people to be free as long as they stay within the law, even North Korea.

The question is, what laws and who makes them. I'll ask you again, should laws be made by government bought by big business (corrupt government), or government independent of big business (paid for and overseen by the public)? It's a simple enough question. Please have a go at answering.

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

I have answered that question many times, if no one or no ones property or the commons has or is being hurt in anyway that is all the law you need in most, if not all cases. The case is always who or what has been injured? Most statutes are an extension of common law and therefore subservient to it, most just cause the law to become convoluted thus all the lawyers!

If you read Bastiat you'd realise that govt. use the writing of laws to benefit themselves and their cronies while absolving themselves from such laws...such as insider trading!

The laws already exist since long ago, the more laws you have, as we have seen, doesn't make you any safer, bad people do bad things regardless of the law. The point is to have basic common law enforced equally to everyone regardless and the strict separation of powers.

Your point about who should make the laws is moot.

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I have answered that question many times, if no one or no ones property or the commons has or is being hurt in anyway that is all the law you need in most, if not all cases. The case is always who or what has been injured? Most statutes are an extension of common law and therefore subservient to it, most just cause the law to become convoluted thus all the lawyers!

If you read Bastiat you'd realise that govt. use the writing of laws to benefit themselves and their cronies while absolving themselves from such laws...such as insider trading!

The laws already exist since long ago, the more laws you have, as we have seen, doesn't make you any safer, bad people do bad things regardless of the law. The point is to have basic common law enforced equally to everyone regardless and the strict separation of powers.

Your point about who should make the laws is moot.

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Casey Casey (715 days ago)

Don't know why you would say "apart from the libertarians" it appears WSUP is made up of private individuals and companies freely giving of their time and expertise solving problems and making a little money on the side with no help from govt. , except for of course all the beaurocratic redtape they have to jump through and cost there of. Perfect libertarian solution if you ask me.

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Don't know why you would say "apart from the libertarians" it appears WSUP is made up of private individuals and companies freely giving of their time and expertise solving problems and making a little money on the side with no help from govt. , except for of course all the beaurocratic redtape they have to jump through and cost there of. Perfect libertarian solution if you ask me.

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Blong Blong (716 days ago)

Ban curry. That should halve the problem.

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Ban curry. That should halve the problem.

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Guest: Tomy jacobs (717 days ago)

They need to me a bit more collaborative, unified, dignified and industrious and clean up/develop/ evolve. Instead of waiting for the world to pick em up.

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They need to me a bit more collaborative, unified, dignified and industrious and clean up/develop/ evolve. Instead of waiting for the world to pick em up.

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Guest: Guest1 (715 days ago)

I don't think they're really holding their breath waiting for you to go and build their toilets (Pun intended). New government has already started building 8,000,000 (Yes 8 Million) public toilets. Not easy to build infrastructure for 1.4 billion people from scratch.

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I don't think they're really holding their breath waiting for you to go and build their toilets (Pun intended). New government has already started building 8,000,000 (Yes 8 Million) public toilets. Not easy to build infrastructure for 1.4 billion people from scratch.

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