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Ben Carson - The Big Bang is a fairytale

Ben Carson - The Big Bang is a fairytale

(3:24) Ben Carson in 2012 explaining why the Big Bang is a fairytale.

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Guest: guessed your name (699 days ago)

The same people that predict the comet's path, use the same techniques to theorize the big bang. From now on, I trust rocket scientists and avoid brain surgeons.

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The same people that predict the comet's path, use the same techniques to theorize the big bang. From now on, I trust rocket scientists and avoid brain surgeons.

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Guest: (699 days ago)

You can call him a twat all you want, but his statements are not wrong.

You think that people like him have been indoctrinated with this sh*t? What about you? Is it possible that you have been indoctrinated with the opposite? Maybe you are the one who needs your brain working on?

Just a thought.

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You can call him a twat all you want, but his statements are not wrong.

You think that people like him have been indoctrinated with this sh*t? What about you? Is it possible that you have been indoctrinated with the opposite? Maybe you are the one who needs your brain working on?

Just a thought.

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Guest: jb (699 days ago)

perfect logic.

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perfect logic.

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Guest: nimiki (699 days ago)

Arse

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Arse

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (699 days ago)

He needs to operate on himself.

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He needs to operate on himself.

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Guest: one more time (699 days ago)

And this guy wants you to put him in charge of the most powerful nation on the planet. Words fail. Fear that he might.just.succeed remains.

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And this guy wants you to put him in charge of the most powerful nation on the planet. Words fail. Fear that he might.just.succeed remains.

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Guest: (699 days ago)

What does he get wrong in this clip? I get that people who share your beliefs tell you people like him are wrong but you tell us how. I'm interested.

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What does he get wrong in this clip? I get that people who share your beliefs tell you people like him are wrong but you tell us how. I'm interested.

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Guest: one more time (699 days ago)

Let's just go for the first one, at 0:10 - "all these high-falutin' scientists."

Now this isn't a scientific point, he's just setting the stage so he can claim to equate his general ignorance with the knowledge of people who have spent years studying whatever subject he's about to blow off. The fact that these same scientists do the math that predicts the orbits of comets (later in his talk) or the way that science all hangs together, completely pass him by. You can't cherry pick the bits you like and deny the bits you don't like.

And that's all it is with Carson: some bits he likes, and they show the glory of god; some bits he doesn't like, and they're by high-falutin' folks. He's an idiot, and there's no shame in that. Plenty good folk are idiots, and plenty idiots are good folk. Or maybe he just talks like an idiot as a path to political power. That's scary.

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Let's just go for the first one, at 0:10 - "all these high-falutin' scientists."

Now this isn't a scientific point, he's just setting the stage so he can claim to equate his general ignorance with the knowledge of people who have spent years studying whatever subject he's about to blow off. The fact that these same scientists do the math that predicts the orbits of comets (later in his talk) or the way that science all hangs together, completely pass him by. You can't cherry pick the bits you like and deny the bits you don't like.

And that's all it is with Carson: some bits he likes, and they show the glory of god; some bits he doesn't like, and they're by high-falutin' folks. He's an idiot, and there's no shame in that. Plenty good folk are idiots, and plenty idiots are good folk. Or maybe he just talks like an idiot as a path to political power. That's scary.

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Guest: (699 days ago)

Uhuh so rather than criticise any of the actual points he makes in his speech you pick him off for using the phrase 'high falutin scientist'. Nice one. I bet that idiot neurosurgeon is truly challenged by your frightening amount of knowledge. Best you just keep believing that some atheist scientists know some sciencey mathsy stuff that calculates some things and that they tell you they are right and this idiot neurosurgeon is wrong so you don't need to understand the ins and outs. That's nearly as good as knowing what you're talking about I guess. Scary for real.

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Uhuh so rather than criticise any of the actual points he makes in his speech you pick him off for using the phrase 'high falutin scientist'. Nice one. I bet that idiot neurosurgeon is truly challenged by your frightening amount of knowledge. Best you just keep believing that some atheist scientists know some sciencey mathsy stuff that calculates some things and that they tell you they are right and this idiot neurosurgeon is wrong so you don't need to understand the ins and outs. That's nearly as good as knowing what you're talking about I guess. Scary for real.

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Guest: one more time (699 days ago)

I think I can see why Carson might appeal to you.

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I think I can see why Carson might appeal to you.

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Guest: (699 days ago)

Cos he actually explains what he means rather than just deferring to someone else he hopes is right? Failing to address any of his scientific points I see why you complained about a single phrase. You probably think angular momentum is the German chancellor such is your advanced knowledge of physics.

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Cos he actually explains what he means rather than just deferring to someone else he hopes is right? Failing to address any of his scientific points I see why you complained about a single phrase. You probably think angular momentum is the German chancellor such is your advanced knowledge of physics.

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Guest: W4rch1ld (696 days ago)

It's difficult to keep up with who is who when everyone logs in as "guest", but I'm going to give it a go.

This idiot uses the very same facile arguments that uneducated Christians and utterly stupid Americans (usually Americans) put forward to try to counter the BBT and evolution. He doesn't not understand the first thing about physics, and is providing what is called an argument from ignorance.

Nothing he said was correct. Nothing he said stands up in a science lab. Nothing he said would be accepted at CERN. So I suggest all those people stating about that he hasn't said anything "wrong", you all go pick up a science book where it will explain just how and why he's so ery very wrong.

LaserPete tries, and you don't get it. Morons!

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It's difficult to keep up with who is who when everyone logs in as "guest", but I'm going to give it a go.

This idiot uses the very same facile arguments that uneducated Christians and utterly stupid Americans (usually Americans) put forward to try to counter the BBT and evolution. He doesn't not understand the first thing about physics, and is providing what is called an argument from ignorance.

Nothing he said was correct. Nothing he said stands up in a science lab. Nothing he said would be accepted at CERN. So I suggest all those people stating about that he hasn't said anything "wrong", you all go pick up a science book where it will explain just how and why he's so ery very wrong.

LaserPete tries, and you don't get it. Morons!

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Guest: Wazzo (693 days ago)
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YEAH!! Idiots, morons, stupid... every last one of the 40% of US scientists that pray to a personal god. All intellectually weak. I wonder if any of them have ever picked up a science book. I doubt if leading geneticist and physician (and evangelical Christian) Francis Collins knows the first thing about evolution, the stupid idiot moron. Einstein and his poxy pantheism, what would he know? And as for Higgs (talking of CERN), Gerhart Etrl, William D Philips, all those dim-witted Nobel prize winners and eminent physicists who -woops- believe in a god, geez! Just plain stupid. I wish they would all come onto Boreme where keyboard warriors could put them in their place. Professor "LaserPete" should write books for all these dumbass scientists. He's clearly figured it all out and noticed things that none of them have. Hm.

Personally, I'm not keen on organised religion because it tends to be judgemental, hostile and intolerant. But then seeing bible-basher Carson's "Meh, let them believe what they want" approach, contrasted with all the secular "they're idiots and morons because they disagree", it kinda muddies the water. I guess that makes me a stupid dumbass moron idiot too?

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YEAH!! Idiots, morons, stupid... every last one of the 40% of US scientists that pray to a personal god. All intellectually weak. I wonder if any of them have ever picked up a science book. I doubt if leading geneticist and physician (and evangelical Christian) Francis Collins knows the first thing about evolution, the stupid idiot moron. Einstein and his poxy pantheism, what would he know? And as for Higgs (talking of CERN), Gerhart Etrl, William D Philips, all those dim-witted Nobel prize winners and eminent physicists who -woops- believe in a god, geez! Just plain stupid. I wish they would all come onto Boreme where keyboard warriors could put them in their place. Professor "LaserPete" should write books for all these dumbass scientists. He's clearly figured it all out and noticed things that none of them have. Hm.

Personally, I'm not keen on organised religion because it tends to be judgemental, hostile and intolerant. But then seeing bible-basher Carson's "Meh, let them believe what they want" approach, contrasted with all the secular "they're idiots and morons because they disagree", it kinda muddies the water. I guess that makes me a stupid dumbass moron idiot too?

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Guest: LaserPete (698 days ago)

OK, I'll chip in and respond to his scientific points:

"Angular momentum is preserved, which means all the planets and moons should orbit in the same direction." This is just wrong. It only means the angular momentum can't change, and so long as each planet doesn't turn around and orbit the other way it won't change. A fuller explanation of rotational and orbital angular mechanics can be found in any undergraduate physics textbook.

"Gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order." Actually, the universe looks pretty darned disordered to me. For example, the Cosmic Microwave Background matches a perfect black-body spectrum, one of the most quintessentially random proceses known. Our best understanding is the universe started as a singularity, which can be described entirely by a few numbers and is thus simple and low-entropy, and has since changed to its current, higher-entropy state. The big bang is a move from low entropy (singularity) to high entropy (current state of the universe). Thus his statement that the big bang contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not match with current scientific understanding.

This also means we do not need many big bangs, "over billions of years" or in any other sense, to explain the (supposedly low-entropy) universe, and this idea is not widely accepted in the scientific community. Thus we also do not expect to be bombarded with the debris from these non-existent big bangs.

Perhaps I haven't addressed every single point he's made, but it should be clear he completely misunderstands the science he is quoting.

I hope that helps.

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OK, I'll chip in and respond to his scientific points:

"Angular momentum is preserved, which means all the planets and moons should orbit in the same direction." This is just wrong. It only means the angular momentum can't change, and so long as each planet doesn't turn around and orbit the other way it won't change. A fuller explanation of rotational and orbital angular mechanics can be found in any undergraduate physics textbook.

"Gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order." Actually, the universe looks pretty darned disordered to me. For example, the Cosmic Microwave Background matches a perfect black-body spectrum, one of the most quintessentially random proceses known. Our best understanding is the universe started as a singularity, which can be described entirely by a few numbers and is thus simple and low-entropy, and has since changed to its current, higher-entropy state. The big bang is a move from low entropy (singularity) to high entropy (current state of the universe). Thus his statement that the big bang contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not match with current scientific understanding.

This also means we do not need many big bangs, "over billions of years" or in any other sense, to explain the (supposedly low-entropy) universe, and this idea is not widely accepted in the scientific community. Thus we also do not expect to be bombarded with the debris from these non-existent big bangs.

Perhaps I haven't addressed every single point he's made, but it should be clear he completely misunderstands the science he is quoting.

I hope that helps.

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Guest: Guest God (698 days ago)

God sent Carson to prove semi ginorance is worse than ignorance.

Jesus loves carsons microphone. Amen,

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God sent Carson to prove semi ginorance is worse than ignorance.

Jesus loves carsons microphone. Amen,

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Guest: (698 days ago)

God sent him to ruffle the feathers of everyone that swallows stuff whole from pop media sources. He's wrong because we disagree with him it seems.

Why is he wrong? Heck, you mean we have to actually know stuff and come up with reasons? But Wikipedia doesn't say why!

People who have weird ideas but who know more than you cause you to up your ante. Deal with it.

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God sent him to ruffle the feathers of everyone that swallows stuff whole from pop media sources. He's wrong because we disagree with him it seems.

Why is he wrong? Heck, you mean we have to actually know stuff and come up with reasons? But Wikipedia doesn't say why!

People who have weird ideas but who know more than you cause you to up your ante. Deal with it.

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Guest: one more time (698 days ago)

Well he scares me. Is that what you mean?

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Well he scares me. Is that what you mean?

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