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How the EU affects your everyday life

How the EU affects your everyday life

(3:33) The 4 main roles of EU, illustrated with a simple story of love. The roles are - 1: Right of initiative (proposing new laws and policies) 2): Policy implementation (managing European Union policies and the budget) 3: Guardian of the Treaties (enforcing European Union law) 4: International dimension (ensuring the Union's external representation).

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Guest: Voice of Reason (606 days ago)

There are many good arguments for staying in, and just as many good ones for leaving, but here's an interesting point: go to 0:59 in the video, and look at the map of all the member countries. Notice that little one at the top, the one that isn't coloured? That'll be NORWAY, which isn't a member.

It still manages to do business with all the other countries perfectly well, and in doing so as an "outsider", has given it's citizens the highest standard of living in Europe, and the third highest in the world.

When politicians tell you that if Britain leaves, we'd be isolated and cut off from our biggest export market, ask yourself this: How many things in your house are made in the EU, and how many are made in places like China? Actually, not places like China- how many are made IN China? I'll guarantee that for every one thing you find made in the EU, you'll find 10 made in China. Is China an EU member? No- and that's proof positive that nobody needs to be an EU member to trade with EU countries.

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There are many good arguments for staying in, and just as many good ones for leaving, but here's an interesting point: go to 0:59 in the video, and look at the map of all the member countries. Notice that little one at the top, the one that isn't coloured? That'll be NORWAY, which isn't a member.

It still manages to do business with all the other countries perfectly well, and in doing so as an "outsider", has given it's citizens the highest standard of living in Europe, and the third highest in the world.

When politicians tell you that if Britain leaves, we'd be isolated and cut off from our biggest export market, ask yourself this: How many things in your house are made in the EU, and how many are made in places like China? Actually, not places like China- how many are made IN China? I'll guarantee that for every one thing you find made in the EU, you'll find 10 made in China. Is China an EU member? No- and that's proof positive that nobody needs to be an EU member to trade with EU countries.

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Guest: tompatuk (606 days ago)

Good point, Norway has done a great job as has Iceland and how they managed the banking crisis. But then they have relatively small populations, good natural resources and exports, however they rely on importing a lot of goods which makes living there quite expensive.

Yes a lot of things are made in china BUT they are designed in Europe to our standards and to our needs and they are sold by European companies to European citizens. Removing the manufacture of goods from Europe doesn't remove any of the standards that products must meet or that the people designing and selling them are not in Europe. Everything is done here except the making and china has nothing to do with it because they make them to our specification and tollerences.

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Good point, Norway has done a great job as has Iceland and how they managed the banking crisis. But then they have relatively small populations, good natural resources and exports, however they rely on importing a lot of goods which makes living there quite expensive.

Yes a lot of things are made in china BUT they are designed in Europe to our standards and to our needs and they are sold by European companies to European citizens. Removing the manufacture of goods from Europe doesn't remove any of the standards that products must meet or that the people designing and selling them are not in Europe. Everything is done here except the making and china has nothing to do with it because they make them to our specification and tollerences.

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Guest: Voice of Reason (606 days ago)

If only that were true, Tom. I used to for an import company, and I can assure you that 90% of what comes into the EU from China is not designed here. It's designed anywhere in the world, and copied, cheaply, badly and often dangerously, by China. Cinese companies pay no design royalties to anybody, ride roughshod over international patent laws and have no standards of safety, materials, workmanship, manufacturing process or anything else. And STILL the EU is flooded with their goods.

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If only that were true, Tom. I used to for an import company, and I can assure you that 90% of what comes into the EU from China is not designed here. It's designed anywhere in the world, and copied, cheaply, badly and often dangerously, by China. Cinese companies pay no design royalties to anybody, ride roughshod over international patent laws and have no standards of safety, materials, workmanship, manufacturing process or anything else. And STILL the EU is flooded with their goods.

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Guest: (607 days ago)

I don't think that roaming charges are a compelling reason to stay within the EU. Any country with a coastline which attracts tourists would, surely, try to encourage tourists to return by keeping their beaches and coastal waters clean..............And the UK is paying £55 million a day for these types of decision?

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I don't think that roaming charges are a compelling reason to stay within the EU. Any country with a coastline which attracts tourists would, surely, try to encourage tourists to return by keeping their beaches and coastal waters clean..............And the UK is paying £55 million a day for these types of decision?

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Guest: tompatuk (607 days ago)

No the video gives a very bad example of each of the primary functions of the European Union. It doesn't state specifically that there are reasons to stay or not stay within the EU.

It is ignorant to believe that every country acts with the interests of firstly its citizens as a whole or balancing it's needs with those of their neighbouring countries. What if France started pumping sewage into the channel in a way that started washing up on our beaches? How would we hold them to account? Look at the challenges of getting the super powers of China and the US to be responsible for their effect on climate change.

If you want to understand why the UK is paying so much money into funds which are used to develop infastructure in other countries and engage with member states, you need only look at the freedom and ease with which our businesses can operate across Europe. Business can offer services and products to a wider market, safe in the knowledge it meets the requirements for acceptable standards and consumers have a much wider choice in selecting products and services, buying with trust and the ability to get the best value for money.

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No the video gives a very bad example of each of the primary functions of the European Union. It doesn't state specifically that there are reasons to stay or not stay within the EU.

It is ignorant to believe that every country acts with the interests of firstly its citizens as a whole or balancing it's needs with those of their neighbouring countries. What if France started pumping sewage into the channel in a way that started washing up on our beaches? How would we hold them to account? Look at the challenges of getting the super powers of China and the US to be responsible for their effect on climate change.

If you want to understand why the UK is paying so much money into funds which are used to develop infastructure in other countries and engage with member states, you need only look at the freedom and ease with which our businesses can operate across Europe. Business can offer services and products to a wider market, safe in the knowledge it meets the requirements for acceptable standards and consumers have a much wider choice in selecting products and services, buying with trust and the ability to get the best value for money.

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Guest: (606 days ago)

That's fine, but why can't those things be done anyway? Why are we pouring money into a seemingly faceless organisation for things which would be possible as a matter of course?

Nobody has yet come up with any really important reasons that the UK's membership of the EU should be maintained. You make the point about 'developing infrastructure in other countries'. My immediate reaction to say that our politicians are happy to for over tens of millions of pounds each and every week for, largely, unknown reasons, while our NHS is slowly decaying around us. Our doctors go on strike because they are being backed into a corner over working conditions and threats to their pay. Our police, fire and ambulance services have their budgets cut. Hospital beds, wards, staff, Accident & Emergency departments and, indeed, entire hospitals are axed. Schools are under staffed and the pupils aren't getting the right ratio of teachers to children to give them the best education they should have.............the list goes on.

So, how can successive governments (of any shade) justify the colossal amount of money - OUR money - being thrown into the EU with so few obvious benefits when that same money could be used productively, paying better wages to doctors, teachers, police officers, nurses, firefighters, paramedics etc. while ensuring that they have the best equipment and facilities with which to do their jobs?

We're operating on the principle of "The beatings will continue until morale improves", and that has been tried for years and proven to be useless.

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That's fine, but why can't those things be done anyway? Why are we pouring money into a seemingly faceless organisation for things which would be possible as a matter of course?

Nobody has yet come up with any really important reasons that the UK's membership of the EU should be maintained. You make the point about 'developing infrastructure in other countries'. My immediate reaction to say that our politicians are happy to for over tens of millions of pounds each and every week for, largely, unknown reasons, while our NHS is slowly decaying around us. Our doctors go on strike because they are being backed into a corner over working conditions and threats to their pay. Our police, fire and ambulance services have their budgets cut. Hospital beds, wards, staff, Accident & Emergency departments and, indeed, entire hospitals are axed. Schools are under staffed and the pupils aren't getting the right ratio of teachers to children to give them the best education they should have.............the list goes on.

So, how can successive governments (of any shade) justify the colossal amount of money - OUR money - being thrown into the EU with so few obvious benefits when that same money could be used productively, paying better wages to doctors, teachers, police officers, nurses, firefighters, paramedics etc. while ensuring that they have the best equipment and facilities with which to do their jobs?

We're operating on the principle of "The beatings will continue until morale improves", and that has been tried for years and proven to be useless.

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Guest: tompatuk (606 days ago)

Nothing just happens, when left to their own devices a government will always chase their own ends which results in conflict, political and physical. The world is a shrinking place and we have the choice to work collaboratively or in conflict. I understand what you mean by a Faceless organisation but to me thats a good sign, it means they are going about their job and not messing it up (see jeremey Hunt). Also if you want faces and names, do some research and find out who is representing you, although its worth mentioning that almost a third of our elected MEP are UKIP and they miss more than a third of all debates and when they do turn up it is largely to distrupt debate.

My Wife is a band 6 nurse within the NHS and if you were to ask her what the issues within the NHS are, they are about systems, policy and management (basically efficiency) and being held to ransom by their suppliers and by Nursing Agencies. Same story with teachers I know. They say stop moving the goal posts, creating loops to jump through and let teachers focus on teaching. Then come issues with wages, contracts and conditions.

If you think the net £12 billion being part of the EU costs us is the problem (which doesn't include the Billions in trade which being part of the EU creates) then you don't understand how our Government manages our money. It is ironic the debate is about EU reform yet we continue with outdated Tax systems which allow companies operating in the UK to avoid paying their fair share of Tax and run the rest of the country in a similarly outdated fasion.

The reasons why successive governments remain part of the EU... Well there is only one reason... Because at the end of the day we benefit from it.

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Nothing just happens, when left to their own devices a government will always chase their own ends which results in conflict, political and physical. The world is a shrinking place and we have the choice to work collaboratively or in conflict. I understand what you mean by a Faceless organisation but to me thats a good sign, it means they are going about their job and not messing it up (see jeremey Hunt). Also if you want faces and names, do some research and find out who is representing you, although its worth mentioning that almost a third of our elected MEP are UKIP and they miss more than a third of all debates and when they do turn up it is largely to distrupt debate.

My Wife is a band 6 nurse within the NHS and if you were to ask her what the issues within the NHS are, they are about systems, policy and management (basically efficiency) and being held to ransom by their suppliers and by Nursing Agencies. Same story with teachers I know. They say stop moving the goal posts, creating loops to jump through and let teachers focus on teaching. Then come issues with wages, contracts and conditions.

If you think the net £12 billion being part of the EU costs us is the problem (which doesn't include the Billions in trade which being part of the EU creates) then you don't understand how our Government manages our money. It is ironic the debate is about EU reform yet we continue with outdated Tax systems which allow companies operating in the UK to avoid paying their fair share of Tax and run the rest of the country in a similarly outdated fasion.

The reasons why successive governments remain part of the EU... Well there is only one reason... Because at the end of the day we benefit from it.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (606 days ago)

Maybe you should consider privatizing your NHS system then. Where I live, we don't have to worry about the hospitals closing because they are all self-sustained.

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Maybe you should consider privatizing your NHS system then. Where I live, we don't have to worry about the hospitals closing because they are all self-sustained.

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Guest: tompatuk (606 days ago)

Because we don't have to worry about not having the money to pay for our health care or paying a private company to insure our health, only for them to not supprt a claim. Nor do we want to allow our Health Care providers to abuse their position by charging extortionate fee's for a basic human right.

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Because we don't have to worry about not having the money to pay for our health care or paying a private company to insure our health, only for them to not supprt a claim. Nor do we want to allow our Health Care providers to abuse their position by charging extortionate fee's for a basic human right.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (606 days ago)

You still pay for the healthcare, just out of your tax dollars. Healthcare is not free. We all pay for it where I live too but not through tax dollars. We get to pick who we want as our healthcare providers.

You say about insurance companies not supporting a claim. Then you probably didn't pay for that feature. For example, you can get healthcare insurance with our without dental coverage. So if you have a dental claim and you didn't buy that coverage, it will be denied. Obviously.

Do you have car insurance? It basically works the same way. Why don't you just cover everyone's accidents with tax dollars instead of making people pay for an accident that they cannot afford? What if I hit someone's Ferrari and I cannot afford to pay for that damage? See how that works? I could buy extra insurance that would cover exotic cars too but if I only want to buy cheap insurance, then I might not be covered for accidents that cost over $300,000 per incident. It's also not fair to have the other safe drivers paying for those that cause the accidents.

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You still pay for the healthcare, just out of your tax dollars. Healthcare is not free. We all pay for it where I live too but not through tax dollars. We get to pick who we want as our healthcare providers.

You say about insurance companies not supporting a claim. Then you probably didn't pay for that feature. For example, you can get healthcare insurance with our without dental coverage. So if you have a dental claim and you didn't buy that coverage, it will be denied. Obviously.

Do you have car insurance? It basically works the same way. Why don't you just cover everyone's accidents with tax dollars instead of making people pay for an accident that they cannot afford? What if I hit someone's Ferrari and I cannot afford to pay for that damage? See how that works? I could buy extra insurance that would cover exotic cars too but if I only want to buy cheap insurance, then I might not be covered for accidents that cost over $300,000 per incident. It's also not fair to have the other safe drivers paying for those that cause the accidents.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Ever heard of no fault insurance?

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Ever heard of no fault insurance?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

Yes. That is part of my standard insurance package. What about it? I still have to pay for it and it is not provided by the state.

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Yes. That is part of my standard insurance package. What about it? I still have to pay for it and it is not provided by the state.

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

If i get in an accident and my car gets bent ,I pay for it no matter who's fault it is.

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If i get in an accident and my car gets bent ,I pay for it no matter who's fault it is.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

Exactly. And healthcare shouldn't be any different. Buy the insurance and your insurance will pay when you need healthcare just like your car insurance pays for the accidents.

And, by the way, No Fault is when nobody was declared at fault. If you were in an accident and it was your fault, you will pay for both cars involved and the other person will not pay anything.

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Exactly. And healthcare shouldn't be any different. Buy the insurance and your insurance will pay when you need healthcare just like your car insurance pays for the accidents.

And, by the way, No Fault is when nobody was declared at fault. If you were in an accident and it was your fault, you will pay for both cars involved and the other person will not pay anything.

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Guest: tompatuk (606 days ago)

But still my points stand. What if I loose my job and my health benefits? What if I cannot afford a level of cover and I get an illness that is not covered? What if I am born disabled or with a condition that will require medical treatment my whole life?

An insurance system creates a health care system which can be abused by hospitals charging extortionate fees, can put some people at a disadvantage when their physiology is outside of their control and makes people vulnerable unnecessary risk.

Surely access to health care should be a basic human right? It ensures people can be an active part of society and supports those most vulnerable and at risk are cared for.

I am happy with how we manage health care in the UK. I just wish the politicians would let the Health care proffessionals do their jobs, cut the beuraucracy and remember it is about people.

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But still my points stand. What if I loose my job and my health benefits? What if I cannot afford a level of cover and I get an illness that is not covered? What if I am born disabled or with a condition that will require medical treatment my whole life?

An insurance system creates a health care system which can be abused by hospitals charging extortionate fees, can put some people at a disadvantage when their physiology is outside of their control and makes people vulnerable unnecessary risk.

Surely access to health care should be a basic human right? It ensures people can be an active part of society and supports those most vulnerable and at risk are cared for.

I am happy with how we manage health care in the UK. I just wish the politicians would let the Health care proffessionals do their jobs, cut the beuraucracy and remember it is about people.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (606 days ago)

But my point still stands. What if you lost your job and don't pay for car insurance and get into a car accident?

"An insurance system creates a health care system which can be abused by hospitals charging extortionate fees" That is not true. There is a maximum that the insurance companies will pay and doctors sign agreements that they will abide by that maximum. So you can be billed $3000 for a minor procedure and the insurance company will only pay $400 to the doctor. So it doesn't really matter how much the doctor charges, they get paid whatever their agreement with the insurance company is. If they do not agree, they cannot accept that insurance company and will lose patients that have that insurance.

If you are self-pay, you may have to pay whatever the doctor asks for their services because you don't have the insurance company to negotiate the rates for you; however, I found this to be somewhat affordable anyway. A real-live scenario is that I tried to get a procedure done that is billed at around $3,000 but when the doctor tried to get a preauthorization for it, it was denied because they only allow it to occur 3 times within a 3 year period and I've already used it 3 times.

Here's the interesting part. If the insurance company did pay, the negotiated rate was about $800; however, if I self-paid without insurance, they had a discounted rate of $500. It was actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than to go through insurance. But they still do charge $3,000 to the insurance company hoping to get as much as possible and then accept whatever they pay.

"Surely access to health care should be a basic human right? " Housing is a basic human right and so is food and clothing. We still make our citizens pay for them. Even poor people have government programs to assist them in affording all of those services. Our tax dollars help subsidize those people who couldn't afford to pay but the people who can pay will need to pay.

"I am happy with how we manage health care in the UK." I'm happy for you then. As long as you think your system is perfect then why would you want to change anything? I like the level of service we get here without having to worry about patient stacking and under paid, and overworked people helping me at a critical time.

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But my point still stands. What if you lost your job and don't pay for car insurance and get into a car accident?

"An insurance system creates a health care system which can be abused by hospitals charging extortionate fees" That is not true. There is a maximum that the insurance companies will pay and doctors sign agreements that they will abide by that maximum. So you can be billed $3000 for a minor procedure and the insurance company will only pay $400 to the doctor. So it doesn't really matter how much the doctor charges, they get paid whatever their agreement with the insurance company is. If they do not agree, they cannot accept that insurance company and will lose patients that have that insurance.

If you are self-pay, you may have to pay whatever the doctor asks for their services because you don't have the insurance company to negotiate the rates for you; however, I found this to be somewhat affordable anyway. A real-live scenario is that I tried to get a procedure done that is billed at around $3,000 but when the doctor tried to get a preauthorization for it, it was denied because they only allow it to occur 3 times within a 3 year period and I've already used it 3 times.

Here's the interesting part. If the insurance company did pay, the negotiated rate was about $800; however, if I self-paid without insurance, they had a discounted rate of $500. It was actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than to go through insurance. But they still do charge $3,000 to the insurance company hoping to get as much as possible and then accept whatever they pay.

"Surely access to health care should be a basic human right? " Housing is a basic human right and so is food and clothing. We still make our citizens pay for them. Even poor people have government programs to assist them in affording all of those services. Our tax dollars help subsidize those people who couldn't afford to pay but the people who can pay will need to pay.

"I am happy with how we manage health care in the UK." I'm happy for you then. As long as you think your system is perfect then why would you want to change anything? I like the level of service we get here without having to worry about patient stacking and under paid, and overworked people helping me at a critical time.

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Guest: food for thought (605 days ago)

You surely cannot say the insurance system of healthcare is better! So as long as you are healthy and wealthy you can have as much hospital treatment as you like but if you cannot afford healthcare or born with disabilities you receive little support - yes?

The NHS works... It has issues like most organisations, but it functions to a world class level, only the bad stories get out which gives it a negative and unfair light.

I used to work for a drugs company, the NHS wanted to buy their drugs, so they instructed the drugs company to tell them how much it costs to make the drug and they tell the company how much they will pay for the drug, because the contract is so lucrative in the long term, the company goes with it even though the profit per pill is small. Only centralised organisations have this power, individual hospitals do not, which is why drugs are so much more expensive in the U.S. and means much of your medical insurance contribution goes to profit drug companies and not to primary healthcare.

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You surely cannot say the insurance system of healthcare is better! So as long as you are healthy and wealthy you can have as much hospital treatment as you like but if you cannot afford healthcare or born with disabilities you receive little support - yes?

The NHS works... It has issues like most organisations, but it functions to a world class level, only the bad stories get out which gives it a negative and unfair light.

I used to work for a drugs company, the NHS wanted to buy their drugs, so they instructed the drugs company to tell them how much it costs to make the drug and they tell the company how much they will pay for the drug, because the contract is so lucrative in the long term, the company goes with it even though the profit per pill is small. Only centralised organisations have this power, individual hospitals do not, which is why drugs are so much more expensive in the U.S. and means much of your medical insurance contribution goes to profit drug companies and not to primary healthcare.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (605 days ago)

The high costs of drugs is only a problem immediately after the patent for it is issued. A company can spend billions in R&D before a drug hits the market and to reward the company for their research, a patent is granted that gives them exclusive rights to sell it for a limited period of time. Once the patent runs out, the drug becomes more affordable since more companies can produce the same drug.

If we did not grant companies exclusive rights to sell their drugs (giving them a monopoly on it), companies would be reluctant to spend billions in research on them. Why do all the research and then have all companies create generic equivalents to your drugs? There are still limits to what they can charge because Insurance companies still negotiate better deals. If they refuse to negotiate, they become non preferred formularies and the insurance companies will pay for a different drug instead. If you were in the drug business, you would know this. Amitiza is an example, the insurance company stopped paying for that drug and now recomments Linzess instead. They may not be exactly the same but do provide the similar functionality. Amitiza is probably losing money right now because nearly zero people are buying it. They should have negotiated with the insurance companies.

Most of the drugs I take are generic and I only pay $5 for a 30 day supply or $10 for a 90 day supply. There are some brand name drugs and now that Obamacare screwed up our system, I no longer just pay $25 but have to pay 30% of the retail costs, up to $100. So it ends up costing $100. If Obama didn't touch our healthcare system, I would have been better off.

Not only did his affordable healthcare act increase the costs of insurance by 15%, the costs of drugs and doctor visits increased too. I only had to pay $15 to visit a doctor and $25 to visit a specialist. Now I pay the full amount which is about $90 until I hit a deductable amount of $1200 and then they will pay 80% and I still pay 20% until I hit a second deductible amount of $3500 then they will pay 100%.

Now here's the interesting part in case you missed it with all those numbers. The maximum out of pocket expense I will pay is $3,500 per year for all drugs, doctor visits, hospital stays, etc. That can be a lot of money but that is the maximum. If I only go to the doctor 4 times a year, I would only pay $360 total. That is definitely affordable.

Regarding your hypothetical situation about someone being born with a disability, those people are taken care of for the rest of their lifes by the state. We provide social security and disability payments to them. They also qualify for medicare or medicade as soon as they are determined to be disabled.

I do think our healthcare system is better. If I had to get a special operation like brain surgery, I would rather have it done in the USA than any other country on this planet. I definitely wouldn't want to go to England where the doctors get paid very little and are over worked. I would probably die in the ambulance after waiting hours before getting into the hospital.

"The NHS works... It has issues like most organisations, but it functions to a world class level, only the bad stories get out which gives it a negative and unfair light." Of course only the negatives get out because the positives should always be expected. If a patient goes to the hospital due to a broken arm, you expect them to leave in a cast and not die in the process. If that happens, it's not newsworthy. It only makes the news when something goes wrong.

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The high costs of drugs is only a problem immediately after the patent for it is issued. A company can spend billions in R&D before a drug hits the market and to reward the company for their research, a patent is granted that gives them exclusive rights to sell it for a limited period of time. Once the patent runs out, the drug becomes more affordable since more companies can produce the same drug.

If we did not grant companies exclusive rights to sell their drugs (giving them a monopoly on it), companies would be reluctant to spend billions in research on them. Why do all the research and then have all companies create generic equivalents to your drugs? There are still limits to what they can charge because Insurance companies still negotiate better deals. If they refuse to negotiate, they become non preferred formularies and the insurance companies will pay for a different drug instead. If you were in the drug business, you would know this. Amitiza is an example, the insurance company stopped paying for that drug and now recomments Linzess instead. They may not be exactly the same but do provide the similar functionality. Amitiza is probably losing money right now because nearly zero people are buying it. They should have negotiated with the insurance companies.

Most of the drugs I take are generic and I only pay $5 for a 30 day supply or $10 for a 90 day supply. There are some brand name drugs and now that Obamacare screwed up our system, I no longer just pay $25 but have to pay 30% of the retail costs, up to $100. So it ends up costing $100. If Obama didn't touch our healthcare system, I would have been better off.

Not only did his affordable healthcare act increase the costs of insurance by 15%, the costs of drugs and doctor visits increased too. I only had to pay $15 to visit a doctor and $25 to visit a specialist. Now I pay the full amount which is about $90 until I hit a deductable amount of $1200 and then they will pay 80% and I still pay 20% until I hit a second deductible amount of $3500 then they will pay 100%.

Now here's the interesting part in case you missed it with all those numbers. The maximum out of pocket expense I will pay is $3,500 per year for all drugs, doctor visits, hospital stays, etc. That can be a lot of money but that is the maximum. If I only go to the doctor 4 times a year, I would only pay $360 total. That is definitely affordable.

Regarding your hypothetical situation about someone being born with a disability, those people are taken care of for the rest of their lifes by the state. We provide social security and disability payments to them. They also qualify for medicare or medicade as soon as they are determined to be disabled.

I do think our healthcare system is better. If I had to get a special operation like brain surgery, I would rather have it done in the USA than any other country on this planet. I definitely wouldn't want to go to England where the doctors get paid very little and are over worked. I would probably die in the ambulance after waiting hours before getting into the hospital.

"The NHS works... It has issues like most organisations, but it functions to a world class level, only the bad stories get out which gives it a negative and unfair light." Of course only the negatives get out because the positives should always be expected. If a patient goes to the hospital due to a broken arm, you expect them to leave in a cast and not die in the process. If that happens, it's not newsworthy. It only makes the news when something goes wrong.

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TheBob TheBob (605 days ago)

Under "Obamacare", does everyone pay more for their drugs or does the system spread the costs more equitably - i.e. by making wealthier drug-users pay a bit more so poorer drug-users pay a bit less?

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Under "Obamacare", does everyone pay more for their drugs or does the system spread the costs more equitably - i.e. by making wealthier drug-users pay a bit more so poorer drug-users pay a bit less?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (605 days ago)

Obamacare requires everyone to be insured. The poor people get government subsidies for their insurance and the rest pay full price for insurance. You still get to pick your insurance provider.

The drugs should be partially paid for by the insurance company. Since the insurance is subsidized for the poor, they do pay less for all of their healthcare needs.

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Obamacare requires everyone to be insured. The poor people get government subsidies for their insurance and the rest pay full price for insurance. You still get to pick your insurance provider.

The drugs should be partially paid for by the insurance company. Since the insurance is subsidized for the poor, they do pay less for all of their healthcare needs.

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TheBob TheBob (604 days ago)

Well, that sounds like a good thing then. Rich drug-uers who can afford it (like your good self) help out the poorer drug-users. It must feel satisfying to know you're helping out your fellow men and women.

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Well, that sounds like a good thing then. Rich drug-uers who can afford it (like your good self) help out the poorer drug-users. It must feel satisfying to know you're helping out your fellow men and women.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

I'm not rich and I don't mind helping out poor people. The only thing I don't like is those that abuse the system. That means people who can work but choose not to and those people who squeeze the system for every dollar they can without contributing to society in a positive manner. If someone is disabled and cannot work, I don't mind helping them out.

Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too.

I also see people on food stamps buying more expensive foods than I buy because I cannot afford the same stuff that the government provides them for free. They get a whole shopping cart full of food. I also know that some people sell their credits for cash because they are given more food stamps than they really need. For example, they might get $400 in food stamps but only need $220 so they will sell the other $180 to friends at a discount like $100 in cash.

Poor people can get section 8 housing. The housing they get is usually better conditions than what I live in and I work hard for my money. A woman with a single child can get a 3 bedroom house that would normally cost $1500 a month when they could easily live in a 2 bedroom apartment costing $700 a month. That is what I call abuse.

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I'm not rich and I don't mind helping out poor people. The only thing I don't like is those that abuse the system. That means people who can work but choose not to and those people who squeeze the system for every dollar they can without contributing to society in a positive manner. If someone is disabled and cannot work, I don't mind helping them out.

Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too.

I also see people on food stamps buying more expensive foods than I buy because I cannot afford the same stuff that the government provides them for free. They get a whole shopping cart full of food. I also know that some people sell their credits for cash because they are given more food stamps than they really need. For example, they might get $400 in food stamps but only need $220 so they will sell the other $180 to friends at a discount like $100 in cash.

Poor people can get section 8 housing. The housing they get is usually better conditions than what I live in and I work hard for my money. A woman with a single child can get a 3 bedroom house that would normally cost $1500 a month when they could easily live in a 2 bedroom apartment costing $700 a month. That is what I call abuse.

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"Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too."

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"Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too."

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

Those people with invisible disabilities could still work. I'm certain there is a job out there that they can do. I worked for a company where one of the executives was blind. We had people in wheelchairs working there too. Even someone without arms or legs can do jobs like phone support for a company.

Some companies prefer to hire disabled people because there are government subsidies for hiring those people. If I plan on paying someone $20/hour to do a job but if I hire a disabled person to do it and the government will pay half the cost of that employee, I will do that. So there isn't a problem with someone with a disability finding an opening as long as they are looking for a job.

Look at somene like Stephen Hawking for a good example. How much more disabled can you get? He still has a job. He is the director of research at the Centre for Theoretical Cosmology within the University of Cambridge. He writes books and gives speeches all the time. Impressive for somene with handicaps and then someone that can walk around the mall and shop all day cannot get a job? Something is wrong with that.

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Those people with invisible disabilities could still work. I'm certain there is a job out there that they can do. I worked for a company where one of the executives was blind. We had people in wheelchairs working there too. Even someone without arms or legs can do jobs like phone support for a company.

Some companies prefer to hire disabled people because there are government subsidies for hiring those people. If I plan on paying someone $20/hour to do a job but if I hire a disabled person to do it and the government will pay half the cost of that employee, I will do that. So there isn't a problem with someone with a disability finding an opening as long as they are looking for a job.

Look at somene like Stephen Hawking for a good example. How much more disabled can you get? He still has a job. He is the director of research at the Centre for Theoretical Cosmology within the University of Cambridge. He writes books and gives speeches all the time. Impressive for somene with handicaps and then someone that can walk around the mall and shop all day cannot get a job? Something is wrong with that.

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Guest: (604 days ago)

Sure, but it's done by a case-by-case basis. Some visible disabilities stop you working, some don't - some invisible disabilities stop you working, some don't. Making sweeping generalisations based on whether someone can get out of a car is a mistake.

Good point about Hawking... I think we should suggest to everyone with profound and complex disabilities that they should become theoretical physicists.

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Sure, but it's done by a case-by-case basis. Some visible disabilities stop you working, some don't - some invisible disabilities stop you working, some don't. Making sweeping generalisations based on whether someone can get out of a car is a mistake.

Good point about Hawking... I think we should suggest to everyone with profound and complex disabilities that they should become theoretical physicists.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

That was just one job choice. Look below for a link to a website designed to help people with disabilities find jobs in many different categories.

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That was just one job choice. Look below for a link to a website designed to help people with disabilities find jobs in many different categories.

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Guest: (603 days ago)

That's not the point. Of course there are websites designed to help certain people with certain disabilities get work. That doesn't validate your statement "Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too." People with invisible disabilities, recurrent acute disabilities, mental disabilities etc etc may be able to get out of a car and walk around a mall, but whether they can find and access a job which they can physically do, or whether employers will take that risk, is certainly not something you can just decide by looking at them.. shame on you for having such an ignorant attitude. In my neighborhood it's hard enough to get a job without having a disability. Luckily for Hawking he was able to lay the foundations of his career before his disability set in.

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That's not the point. Of course there are websites designed to help certain people with certain disabilities get work. That doesn't validate your statement "Every day I see people claiming disability and easily getting in and out of their car and walking the entire mall. If they can do that, they should be able to work too." People with invisible disabilities, recurrent acute disabilities, mental disabilities etc etc may be able to get out of a car and walk around a mall, but whether they can find and access a job which they can physically do, or whether employers will take that risk, is certainly not something you can just decide by looking at them.. shame on you for having such an ignorant attitude. In my neighborhood it's hard enough to get a job without having a disability. Luckily for Hawking he was able to lay the foundations of his career before his disability set in.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

It's all about honor and trying to contribute to society instead of living off the system.

I have a friend that was in a car accident. The doctors thought he was going to die but when he survived, they said he will never walk again. He is now walking but very slowly. I consider this friend to be 100% disabled. Would you believe he actually has a real job. Incredible. When someone calls the company he works for, he stumbles over to their residence and gives them an estimate for how much it costs for their services. If they agree, then a contract is signed and a different set of people come to do the work.

What kind of disability are you referring to, visible or invisible, that would prevent someone from doing that same job that my friend does?

I have had people working for me who had disabilties such as dislexia. It did not prevent her from doing a good job. That was an invisible disability. I've hired someone with Sickle Cell Anemia (another invisible disability). She was out sick many times but while she was at the office, she did her job.

"In my neighborhood it's hard enough to get a job without having a disability" Can you tell me why? Are there too many people looking for employment but not enough jobs? Are you outsourcing your jobs to another country like the USA is? If I lost my job tomorrow, I'm sure I could get another job right away even though we do outsource many manufacturing jobs elsewhere.

Maybe your standards are too high for your job. Are you saying that there aren't any garbage collector jobs, sales clerks, waiters, or other jobs out there? Like someone said in an earlier post, there is a lot of turnover in those jobs so that leaves plenty of openings available.

I remember when I had my first management job and I was low on staff. I basically hired anyone that applied to work there as long as they were able to pass the hiring requirments which was a simple drug test, background check, and psychological test (sort of like an interview but by specialists to determine if they plan on stealing from the company). I was once advised by my district manager to not hire someone but I did anyway because I was in desparate need of staff. He turned out to be an okay employee so I took a gamble and it worked out for both of us. The suggestion from the district manager was based upon looks. His clothes wasn't ironed, he didn't cut his hair, and didn't brush his teeth. A little coaching after hiring him did provide a solution to those issues.

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It's all about honor and trying to contribute to society instead of living off the system.

I have a friend that was in a car accident. The doctors thought he was going to die but when he survived, they said he will never walk again. He is now walking but very slowly. I consider this friend to be 100% disabled. Would you believe he actually has a real job. Incredible. When someone calls the company he works for, he stumbles over to their residence and gives them an estimate for how much it costs for their services. If they agree, then a contract is signed and a different set of people come to do the work.

What kind of disability are you referring to, visible or invisible, that would prevent someone from doing that same job that my friend does?

I have had people working for me who had disabilties such as dislexia. It did not prevent her from doing a good job. That was an invisible disability. I've hired someone with Sickle Cell Anemia (another invisible disability). She was out sick many times but while she was at the office, she did her job.

"In my neighborhood it's hard enough to get a job without having a disability" Can you tell me why? Are there too many people looking for employment but not enough jobs? Are you outsourcing your jobs to another country like the USA is? If I lost my job tomorrow, I'm sure I could get another job right away even though we do outsource many manufacturing jobs elsewhere.

Maybe your standards are too high for your job. Are you saying that there aren't any garbage collector jobs, sales clerks, waiters, or other jobs out there? Like someone said in an earlier post, there is a lot of turnover in those jobs so that leaves plenty of openings available.

I remember when I had my first management job and I was low on staff. I basically hired anyone that applied to work there as long as they were able to pass the hiring requirments which was a simple drug test, background check, and psychological test (sort of like an interview but by specialists to determine if they plan on stealing from the company). I was once advised by my district manager to not hire someone but I did anyway because I was in desparate need of staff. He turned out to be an okay employee so I took a gamble and it worked out for both of us. The suggestion from the district manager was based upon looks. His clothes wasn't ironed, he didn't cut his hair, and didn't brush his teeth. A little coaching after hiring him did provide a solution to those issues.

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I live in a very rural area and no, there aren't a lot of any type of job going. Yes with some types of disabilities (such as what your friend has), there are certain jobs they can do and they're darn lucky if they're somewhere which has vacancies and where the vacancies aren't controlled by people who would rather not take a risk.

Whether you want to admit it or not, some disabled people simply don't have the opportunities to do anything other than live off the system. I can tell you about people I have known with early-onset Alzheimers, people with dangerous paranoid schizophrenia, people with chronic M.E, people with profound and complex learning disorders, people with EDS, all of whom could get out of a car and walk through a mall, but none of which could feasibly and productively do the sorts of jobs (or even get to them) that you are likely to find in a small town or village. Of course there are spongers wanting to exagerate their problems to get money, but assuming anything who can walk down a mall is like that is plain stupid. I didn't think anyone still thought like that.

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I live in a very rural area and no, there aren't a lot of any type of job going. Yes with some types of disabilities (such as what your friend has), there are certain jobs they can do and they're darn lucky if they're somewhere which has vacancies and where the vacancies aren't controlled by people who would rather not take a risk.

Whether you want to admit it or not, some disabled people simply don't have the opportunities to do anything other than live off the system. I can tell you about people I have known with early-onset Alzheimers, people with dangerous paranoid schizophrenia, people with chronic M.E, people with profound and complex learning disorders, people with EDS, all of whom could get out of a car and walk through a mall, but none of which could feasibly and productively do the sorts of jobs (or even get to them) that you are likely to find in a small town or village. Of course there are spongers wanting to exagerate their problems to get money, but assuming anything who can walk down a mall is like that is plain stupid. I didn't think anyone still thought like that.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

"I live in a very rural area" Then that is your own fault. Many people move to locations where the work is. In fact, I've had friends that move from one state to another when their company moved just so they can keep their job. It was obviously a good job and not a minimum wage one. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth relocating.

"some disabled people simply don't have the opportunities to do anything other than live off the system" I will agree to that if you agree that the majority of disabled people can work but choose not to work just because they can live off the system and that is easier than working.

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"I live in a very rural area" Then that is your own fault. Many people move to locations where the work is. In fact, I've had friends that move from one state to another when their company moved just so they can keep their job. It was obviously a good job and not a minimum wage one. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth relocating.

"some disabled people simply don't have the opportunities to do anything other than live off the system" I will agree to that if you agree that the majority of disabled people can work but choose not to work just because they can live off the system and that is easier than working.

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Wow. It's as if you have no idea how people live. It's your "fault" for where you live? Is employment the only possible factor in where someone happens to live at any moment? Did any of your friends who moved to keep their job have severe and complex disabilities? Did any of them have to spend time and money getting their existing house suitable for them to live in without having to think about doing it again? What you're basically saying is that all disabled people must move to cities where they have a slightly higher chance of finding work. It sounds like you didn't do well at school and never really had to work for anything in your life. A little sheltered and lucky.

"The majority of disabled people can work but choose not to work just because they can live off the system". Good god you are one ignorant fool. I have every hope that at some point in your life you will look back on this kind of thing and see how wrong you were.

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Wow. It's as if you have no idea how people live. It's your "fault" for where you live? Is employment the only possible factor in where someone happens to live at any moment? Did any of your friends who moved to keep their job have severe and complex disabilities? Did any of them have to spend time and money getting their existing house suitable for them to live in without having to think about doing it again? What you're basically saying is that all disabled people must move to cities where they have a slightly higher chance of finding work. It sounds like you didn't do well at school and never really had to work for anything in your life. A little sheltered and lucky.

"The majority of disabled people can work but choose not to work just because they can live off the system". Good god you are one ignorant fool. I have every hope that at some point in your life you will look back on this kind of thing and see how wrong you were.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

You have me all wrong. I worked for everything that I have. Mommy and Daddy didn't give me anything in my life except food and shelter for the first 18 years of my life because that is the minimum the laws say they need to provide. Every single thing I have, including my house and car, was earned and not given.

When I was talking about moving into the city where there are more job opportunities, I wasn't referring to just disabled people. It's a general rule of thumb. If you want to be a farmer, you can live out in the rural areas but if you want to work for a major corporation, then you'll need to either commute daily or move closer to where the corporate offices are.

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You have me all wrong. I worked for everything that I have. Mommy and Daddy didn't give me anything in my life except food and shelter for the first 18 years of my life because that is the minimum the laws say they need to provide. Every single thing I have, including my house and car, was earned and not given.

When I was talking about moving into the city where there are more job opportunities, I wasn't referring to just disabled people. It's a general rule of thumb. If you want to be a farmer, you can live out in the rural areas but if you want to work for a major corporation, then you'll need to either commute daily or move closer to where the corporate offices are.

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

You know nothing about what it is like to have a dissability and you should shut your mouth.

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You know nothing about what it is like to have a dissability and you should shut your mouth.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

If only you knew more about me but I'm keeping that secret. Your comment is laughable.

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If only you knew more about me but I'm keeping that secret. Your comment is laughable.

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

I don't want to know anything about you.

You have a problem and you should get help.

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I don't want to know anything about you.

You have a problem and you should get help.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

Then I recommend that you don't assume that I don't know something about a particular subject unless you know more about me. You don't know my educational background, my work history, or anything about my personal life but you made an assumption that I don't know something.

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Then I recommend that you don't assume that I don't know something about a particular subject unless you know more about me. You don't know my educational background, my work history, or anything about my personal life but you made an assumption that I don't know something.

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

I don't want to know.

Go see a shrink maybe he can help you.

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I don't want to know.

Go see a shrink maybe he can help you.

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

Your absoulutely correct in everything you say.

Having a disability is not a ticket to easy street.

I had to start my own business to find a job that matched with the problems of my disability. No company would hire me over an able bodied person, I know I tried.

Concerned is looking for an argument, he's a troll and will argue over anything just to get attention.

Ignore him.

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Your absoulutely correct in everything you say.

Having a disability is not a ticket to easy street.

I had to start my own business to find a job that matched with the problems of my disability. No company would hire me over an able bodied person, I know I tried.

Concerned is looking for an argument, he's a troll and will argue over anything just to get attention.

Ignore him.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Ill tell you whats wrong.

Not only are they disabled, they are also ignorant and uneducated.

There may be a job for an accountant in a wheel chair but no one will hire a line worker in a wheel chair.

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Ill tell you whats wrong.

Not only are they disabled, they are also ignorant and uneducated.

There may be a job for an accountant in a wheel chair but no one will hire a line worker in a wheel chair.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

Accountant is not the only job available to people in wheelchairs. I can imagine a large number of job categories. There is even a website dedicated to finding those people jobs: LINK

Arts, Entertainment & Gaming, Clerical , Administrative, Construction & Extraction, Customer Service, Education, Training, Library, Engineering, Architecture, Healthcare/Medical, Human Resources, IT, Insurance, Legal, Management, Manufacturing, Marketing/Advertising, Media/Communication, Personal & Home Services, Protective Services, Public Relations, Public Utilities, Real Estate, Sales, Science/Biotech, Transporation and Logistics.

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Accountant is not the only job available to people in wheelchairs. I can imagine a large number of job categories. There is even a website dedicated to finding those people jobs: LINK

Arts, Entertainment & Gaming, Clerical , Administrative, Construction & Extraction, Customer Service, Education, Training, Library, Engineering, Architecture, Healthcare/Medical, Human Resources, IT, Insurance, Legal, Management, Manufacturing, Marketing/Advertising, Media/Communication, Personal & Home Services, Protective Services, Public Relations, Public Utilities, Real Estate, Sales, Science/Biotech, Transporation and Logistics.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Good luck with that.

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Good luck with that.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

With what?

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With what?

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Jealous?

Less than 1% of the people on welfare abuse the system in Canada.

Since you have capitalist system, these people are doing what you believe in, that is capitalizing on the system. You can't fault people for doing what everyone there does every day, doing what you teach them to do.

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Jealous?

Less than 1% of the people on welfare abuse the system in Canada.

Since you have capitalist system, these people are doing what you believe in, that is capitalizing on the system. You can't fault people for doing what everyone there does every day, doing what you teach them to do.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

We are a mixture of capitalist and socialist. There are many social programs and that section 8 program I mentioned is one of them. They are abusing the socialist portion of our system -- not the capitalist system.

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We are a mixture of capitalist and socialist. There are many social programs and that section 8 program I mentioned is one of them. They are abusing the socialist portion of our system -- not the capitalist system.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

You don't even know what a capitalist is.

Listen man in any situation in life a capitalist capitalizes on it. So if your friend falls down, you don't help him up, you go through his pockets and steal whatever you can.

Thats capitalism.

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You don't even know what a capitalist is.

Listen man in any situation in life a capitalist capitalizes on it. So if your friend falls down, you don't help him up, you go through his pockets and steal whatever you can.

Thats capitalism.

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How is stealing from the victim of an accident in ANY way capitalism at work? Pick up a dictionary

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How is stealing from the victim of an accident in ANY way capitalism at work? Pick up a dictionary

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Guest: jechill (603 days ago)

Capitalists lol

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Capitalists lol

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TheBob TheBob (604 days ago)

You might not be as rich as Donald Trump but I bet you're richer than 95% of the world's population.

I am like you - I also abhor abusers of the system: companies like Google, Amazon and Starbucks (to name only three) who make millions of pounds and dollars but who avoid paying the same levels of tax as I have to pay.

That is what I call abuse

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You might not be as rich as Donald Trump but I bet you're richer than 95% of the world's population.

I am like you - I also abhor abusers of the system: companies like Google, Amazon and Starbucks (to name only three) who make millions of pounds and dollars but who avoid paying the same levels of tax as I have to pay.

That is what I call abuse

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

Most companies pay more taxes than I pay. First, when the corporation makes a profit, they pay the tax on that profit. Then they distribute that profit to the owners and those owners pay taxes on it again because it gets added to their personal income.

When you say richer than 95% of the world's population, it might be possible because you would be including several large populated countries like India and China and I probably do make more money than those people. It is because of their low pay that companies are getting services done there instead of here.

But if you only consider my own country, I might not be able to make that same claim. Suppose one of the benefits of living in such a great country like mine, I can say that my standard of living is better than people in India and China and probably yours in the UK. That all has to do with our economic structure.

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Most companies pay more taxes than I pay. First, when the corporation makes a profit, they pay the tax on that profit. Then they distribute that profit to the owners and those owners pay taxes on it again because it gets added to their personal income.

When you say richer than 95% of the world's population, it might be possible because you would be including several large populated countries like India and China and I probably do make more money than those people. It is because of their low pay that companies are getting services done there instead of here.

But if you only consider my own country, I might not be able to make that same claim. Suppose one of the benefits of living in such a great country like mine, I can say that my standard of living is better than people in India and China and probably yours in the UK. That all has to do with our economic structure.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Companies move to india and mexico for cheaper labour that is true.

This is to increase their profit.

When is enough , enough?

How bout we tell the companies if you want access to our market you must make it here and use our labour.

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Companies move to india and mexico for cheaper labour that is true.

This is to increase their profit.

When is enough , enough?

How bout we tell the companies if you want access to our market you must make it here and use our labour.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

Companies try to make a good profit. One of the highest expenses is employee costs. Others are raw materials and fixed costs such as buildings and electricity. If you can reduce any of those expenses or raise your prices, then you increase your profits. Decreasing employee expenses is easy because you can just hire different people in another country who earn significantly less than their USA counterparts. The other expenses are harder to reduce.

Your concept of it needing to be made here to be sold here is ridiculous. That would mean you couldn't buy a Honda or Toyota car. Most electronic devices such as cell phones are made in Korea or China. That would be devistating to the entire global economy and people would be doing without the products because they couldn't afford $2,000 for a cell phone. Know that a complex item like a cell phone has many parts in it and are manufactured all over the world. The rare earth magnets for the vibration motor comes from China and they have a monopoly on it. You would lose that functionality. You may need to rethink your idea because I don't believe it will work well to improve the global economic situation.

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Companies try to make a good profit. One of the highest expenses is employee costs. Others are raw materials and fixed costs such as buildings and electricity. If you can reduce any of those expenses or raise your prices, then you increase your profits. Decreasing employee expenses is easy because you can just hire different people in another country who earn significantly less than their USA counterparts. The other expenses are harder to reduce.

Your concept of it needing to be made here to be sold here is ridiculous. That would mean you couldn't buy a Honda or Toyota car. Most electronic devices such as cell phones are made in Korea or China. That would be devistating to the entire global economy and people would be doing without the products because they couldn't afford $2,000 for a cell phone. Know that a complex item like a cell phone has many parts in it and are manufactured all over the world. The rare earth magnets for the vibration motor comes from China and they have a monopoly on it. You would lose that functionality. You may need to rethink your idea because I don't believe it will work well to improve the global economic situation.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

Why don't you go to hell.

You think you know everything but your ******* comments are totally out to left field.

You probably live to piss people off. I wish you would ******* die.

You make comments on shit you know nothing about and act like your God.

|Fuck you,fuck you **** you **** youf **** you

I cant find anyway to delete my membership but i won't be back you ******* ***** thanks alot for makeing my short time here miserable you ************** i had you here right now id ******* kill you you piece of shit.

You don't know me , you don't know my situation and you have no ******* right to insinuate that im taking welfare , so Im ******* out of here you ******* slime ball [piece of shit.

Hope everyone enjoys the abuse here at boreme because there is no way to complain about this asshole and theres no way to leave the site.

If there is some kind of admin here please delete my account i can't hang with this asshole anymore.

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Why don't you go to hell.

You think you know everything but your ******* comments are totally out to left field.

You probably live to piss people off. I wish you would ******* die.

You make comments on shit you know nothing about and act like your God.

|Fuck you,fuck you **** you **** youf **** you

I cant find anyway to delete my membership but i won't be back you ******* ***** thanks alot for makeing my short time here miserable you ************** i had you here right now id ******* kill you you piece of shit.

You don't know me , you don't know my situation and you have no ******* right to insinuate that im taking welfare , so Im ******* out of here you ******* slime ball [piece of shit.

Hope everyone enjoys the abuse here at boreme because there is no way to complain about this asshole and theres no way to leave the site.

If there is some kind of admin here please delete my account i can't hang with this asshole anymore.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Companies never go broke because of labour. It is always caused by bad management.

The cost of labour should be factored into the price.

Canada has the 2nd largest supply of rare earth elements in the world and now that the liberals are in power we may start exploiting it.

Most Toyotas sold in Ontario, Canada are built in Ontario,Canada.

Since ive done some cell phone repair i know exactly whats in a cell phone and it aint much. The mother board is made by a robot, who installs all the chips, soldiers the board, and tests the board at the end of the line. The only time a human hand touches it is during the final assembly. Apple builds all their phones for next to nothing in govt of China sponsored factorys with very poorly paid people. This is a crime.

So your suggesting that this is ok? They also keep their head office in Ireland to avoid paying taxes and I suppose thats ok too?

If you want access to over 300 million relatively wealthy customers then you damn well had better have your assembly plant here or it aint happening. They will have to get used to less profit. Gone are the days of never ending exhorbitant profits we need to go for sustainability.

Companies have lost their way when it comes to caring for their market,

or their employees. Just look what Hershey did. He was a bit of a tyrant but he built a town,etc for his workers.

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Companies never go broke because of labour. It is always caused by bad management.

The cost of labour should be factored into the price.

Canada has the 2nd largest supply of rare earth elements in the world and now that the liberals are in power we may start exploiting it.

Most Toyotas sold in Ontario, Canada are built in Ontario,Canada.

Since ive done some cell phone repair i know exactly whats in a cell phone and it aint much. The mother board is made by a robot, who installs all the chips, soldiers the board, and tests the board at the end of the line. The only time a human hand touches it is during the final assembly. Apple builds all their phones for next to nothing in govt of China sponsored factorys with very poorly paid people. This is a crime.

So your suggesting that this is ok? They also keep their head office in Ireland to avoid paying taxes and I suppose thats ok too?

If you want access to over 300 million relatively wealthy customers then you damn well had better have your assembly plant here or it aint happening. They will have to get used to less profit. Gone are the days of never ending exhorbitant profits we need to go for sustainability.

Companies have lost their way when it comes to caring for their market,

or their employees. Just look what Hershey did. He was a bit of a tyrant but he built a town,etc for his workers.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

"Companies never go broke because of labour." Made up statistic. I do not believe that. Please show me the source to your information so I can learn.

"The cost of labour should be factored into the price." It is.

"Canada has the 2nd largest supply of rare earth elements in the world and now that the liberals are in power we may start exploiting it." Very minor 2nd. China has 85% of the market and I'm not sure what Canada is but even if it's the entire 15%, that is still small and insignificant.

"Apple builds all their phones for next to nothing in govt of China sponsored factorys with very poorly paid people. This is a crime." That's why there are people lined up to work for that part of the company then? Everyone wants to work there. The conditions are better than most of the other manufacturing plants in China. When you say poorly paid people, you are referring compared to what? Other factories in China? Or the highly paid people in the USA? About it being a crime, what law is being broken? About it being government sponsored factory, you do realize that China is a communist country, right? Look up the definition of communism if you don't understand how that works.

"So your suggesting that this is ok? " Not just suggesting it but flat out saying that it's okay.

"They also keep their head office in Ireland to avoid paying taxes and I suppose thats ok too?" That is not how taxes work and I'm surprised you think that. Since HSBC is headquartered in London, do you think they don't pay any taxes in any other country where they do business? Think about that.

A company may have subidaries in other countries and then they pay those subsidaries to do parts of the work. The money those companies make pay taxes in the country that they do the business in. If they are in Ireland like you say in your example, then they pay the obligated taxes of Ireland. What you seem to be upset about is that they don't also pay the taxes in the USA which makes sense to me because that money stays in Ireland. At any time, if that money moves back to the USA, then they will have to pay taxes on it. This is why Apple has over 200 billion in cash reserves because they don't want to pay the tax on it when it comes back to the USA. It's also why I refuse to invest in Apple because they are not distributing all their profits to their investors. Now that should be a crime. If you invest in a company and that company makes billions of dollars in profits, they should not be able to keep that money -- it belongs to the investors and should be sent to them through dividends.

"Companies have lost their way when it comes to caring for their market" Disagree. This is why companies come out with new models, better, faster, more efficient, etc. They want to sell more to that same market. AT&T, TMobile, Verizon, Sprint, and others are all competing for the same market so they keep improving their services by adding new cell towers, offering more data for less money, paying contract breakage fees to move over to them, adding more features such as visual voice mail, 4GLTE, and others. If they didn't care, they would just keep what they had 10 years ago without any improvements to their system.

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"Companies never go broke because of labour." Made up statistic. I do not believe that. Please show me the source to your information so I can learn.

"The cost of labour should be factored into the price." It is.

"Canada has the 2nd largest supply of rare earth elements in the world and now that the liberals are in power we may start exploiting it." Very minor 2nd. China has 85% of the market and I'm not sure what Canada is but even if it's the entire 15%, that is still small and insignificant.

"Apple builds all their phones for next to nothing in govt of China sponsored factorys with very poorly paid people. This is a crime." That's why there are people lined up to work for that part of the company then? Everyone wants to work there. The conditions are better than most of the other manufacturing plants in China. When you say poorly paid people, you are referring compared to what? Other factories in China? Or the highly paid people in the USA? About it being a crime, what law is being broken? About it being government sponsored factory, you do realize that China is a communist country, right? Look up the definition of communism if you don't understand how that works.

"So your suggesting that this is ok? " Not just suggesting it but flat out saying that it's okay.

"They also keep their head office in Ireland to avoid paying taxes and I suppose thats ok too?" That is not how taxes work and I'm surprised you think that. Since HSBC is headquartered in London, do you think they don't pay any taxes in any other country where they do business? Think about that.

A company may have subidaries in other countries and then they pay those subsidaries to do parts of the work. The money those companies make pay taxes in the country that they do the business in. If they are in Ireland like you say in your example, then they pay the obligated taxes of Ireland. What you seem to be upset about is that they don't also pay the taxes in the USA which makes sense to me because that money stays in Ireland. At any time, if that money moves back to the USA, then they will have to pay taxes on it. This is why Apple has over 200 billion in cash reserves because they don't want to pay the tax on it when it comes back to the USA. It's also why I refuse to invest in Apple because they are not distributing all their profits to their investors. Now that should be a crime. If you invest in a company and that company makes billions of dollars in profits, they should not be able to keep that money -- it belongs to the investors and should be sent to them through dividends.

"Companies have lost their way when it comes to caring for their market" Disagree. This is why companies come out with new models, better, faster, more efficient, etc. They want to sell more to that same market. AT&T, TMobile, Verizon, Sprint, and others are all competing for the same market so they keep improving their services by adding new cell towers, offering more data for less money, paying contract breakage fees to move over to them, adding more features such as visual voice mail, 4GLTE, and others. If they didn't care, they would just keep what they had 10 years ago without any improvements to their system.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

What i call abuse is companies like walmart who underpay their employees and tell them to go get food stamps to make up the difference.

How bout oil companies that get corporate welfare?

To get people off of welfare you must give them incentives. Like a living wage, education to get them better jobs. Invest in your own people for a future return for a change instead of looking for the quick buck.

Americans wtf.

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What i call abuse is companies like walmart who underpay their employees and tell them to go get food stamps to make up the difference.

How bout oil companies that get corporate welfare?

To get people off of welfare you must give them incentives. Like a living wage, education to get them better jobs. Invest in your own people for a future return for a change instead of looking for the quick buck.

Americans wtf.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (604 days ago)

Walmart does not underpay their employees. They pay more than the minimum wage. If the employee needs more money than what Walmart is paying, then the employee needs to show some initiative and get a better job.

"Wal-Mart has said that its average hourly wage is $11.81 for hourly workers, not including managers, and that only 5,000 of its 1.4 million U.S. workers make the minimum wage. " The federal minimum wage is $7.25 so they are paying much more than that.

That Walmart employee, if they are good enough, can work for Whole Foods and get a 20% increase or Costco and get a 40% increase. Nothing is stopping them from applying for those jobs.

There are people that hold up signs on the side of the road. They probably get paid minimum wage. Do you think that job is worth paying the person enough to support a family of 5, pay for their $250,000 mortgage, and 2 luxury cars? I don't. If they want those things, they should gain experience and/or education to get a better job so they can get paid more. Don't do a dead-end job without any possibility for advancement. Even a simple sales clerk in a retail store has the potential to become an assistant manager, then a store manager, then a district manager, then a regional manager. You can work your way up the corporate ladder if you are a hard worker.

I would guarantee you that I could start at the bottom of a company like McDonalds or Walmart and become a manager within a year. You know why? Take a guess.

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Walmart does not underpay their employees. They pay more than the minimum wage. If the employee needs more money than what Walmart is paying, then the employee needs to show some initiative and get a better job.

"Wal-Mart has said that its average hourly wage is $11.81 for hourly workers, not including managers, and that only 5,000 of its 1.4 million U.S. workers make the minimum wage. " The federal minimum wage is $7.25 so they are paying much more than that.

That Walmart employee, if they are good enough, can work for Whole Foods and get a 20% increase or Costco and get a 40% increase. Nothing is stopping them from applying for those jobs.

There are people that hold up signs on the side of the road. They probably get paid minimum wage. Do you think that job is worth paying the person enough to support a family of 5, pay for their $250,000 mortgage, and 2 luxury cars? I don't. If they want those things, they should gain experience and/or education to get a better job so they can get paid more. Don't do a dead-end job without any possibility for advancement. Even a simple sales clerk in a retail store has the potential to become an assistant manager, then a store manager, then a district manager, then a regional manager. You can work your way up the corporate ladder if you are a hard worker.

I would guarantee you that I could start at the bottom of a company like McDonalds or Walmart and become a manager within a year. You know why? Take a guess.

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Guest: jechill (604 days ago)

Your living in a dream world.

Minimum wage should be a living wage. That means a roof over the head and food on the table. The days of climbing the ladder are long gone. Companies squeeze as much work for as little money as they can and when raise time comes around they fire you.

Why would they hire a guy off the floor to do a manager's job when they can get a university grad for the same money.

There is no security and no guarantees in any job anymore, they talk about employee loyalty to the companie and having to sacrifice your time for the company. Production goes way up, as we all know it has, and then they lay everyone off and move to mexico.

Your living in the past.

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Your living in a dream world.

Minimum wage should be a living wage. That means a roof over the head and food on the table. The days of climbing the ladder are long gone. Companies squeeze as much work for as little money as they can and when raise time comes around they fire you.

Why would they hire a guy off the floor to do a manager's job when they can get a university grad for the same money.

There is no security and no guarantees in any job anymore, they talk about employee loyalty to the companie and having to sacrifice your time for the company. Production goes way up, as we all know it has, and then they lay everyone off and move to mexico.

Your living in the past.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

"Minimum wage should be a living wage." The minimum wage is an old and outdated feature to prevent the abuse of workers. It was never intended to be a living wage. Now that unions have been formed, the minimum wage law isn't really needed. Most employers pay more than the minimum wage. There may be a few unskilled and useless jobs like the guy holding the sign all day but that's a small number of people doing that job.

Only about 2% of people make the minimum wage. And out of that group, only 0.3% of them are below the poverty level. (0.3% of 2% is a very small number that is still less than 1%) The majority of people making minimum wage are between the ages of 16 and 24 and those people have those as part-time jobs. Those jobs were never intended to be a long-term career choice.

You now know that Walmart doesn't pay minimum wage for the majority of their workers. Can you name another large corporation where they pay the federal minimum wage? You might find some mom-and-pop store somewhere but most large corporations need to pay a competitive rate to attract good talent so they pay more than the minimum or they will not have any employees working for them.

"There is no security and no guarantees in any job anymore" Was there ever? I cannot remember a time when a company guaranteed me employment and I've been working for a long time.

"Production goes way up" Due to investments that is paid for by the corporation.

"and then they lay everyone off and move to mexico." Some jobs, yes. But if the company was able to find people in their own country that can do the job for the same amount of money, they would. The fact is that the American people do not want those jobs, cannot do the job, or refuse to work for that little pay.

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"Minimum wage should be a living wage." The minimum wage is an old and outdated feature to prevent the abuse of workers. It was never intended to be a living wage. Now that unions have been formed, the minimum wage law isn't really needed. Most employers pay more than the minimum wage. There may be a few unskilled and useless jobs like the guy holding the sign all day but that's a small number of people doing that job.

Only about 2% of people make the minimum wage. And out of that group, only 0.3% of them are below the poverty level. (0.3% of 2% is a very small number that is still less than 1%) The majority of people making minimum wage are between the ages of 16 and 24 and those people have those as part-time jobs. Those jobs were never intended to be a long-term career choice.

You now know that Walmart doesn't pay minimum wage for the majority of their workers. Can you name another large corporation where they pay the federal minimum wage? You might find some mom-and-pop store somewhere but most large corporations need to pay a competitive rate to attract good talent so they pay more than the minimum or they will not have any employees working for them.

"There is no security and no guarantees in any job anymore" Was there ever? I cannot remember a time when a company guaranteed me employment and I've been working for a long time.

"Production goes way up" Due to investments that is paid for by the corporation.

"and then they lay everyone off and move to mexico." Some jobs, yes. But if the company was able to find people in their own country that can do the job for the same amount of money, they would. The fact is that the American people do not want those jobs, cannot do the job, or refuse to work for that little pay.

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TheBob TheBob (603 days ago)

Yes - you could probably become a manager of a branch of McDonalds within a year because of the high staff turnover.

You also say " If the employee needs more money than what Walmart is paying, then the employee needs to show some initiative and get a better job ." Applying the same principle to you being a drug user - if you are unhappy about what you pay for your drugs then you need to show some initiative and either find somewhere that sells cheaper drugs or stop taking drugs.

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Yes - you could probably become a manager of a branch of McDonalds within a year because of the high staff turnover.

You also say " If the employee needs more money than what Walmart is paying, then the employee needs to show some initiative and get a better job ." Applying the same principle to you being a drug user - if you are unhappy about what you pay for your drugs then you need to show some initiative and either find somewhere that sells cheaper drugs or stop taking drugs.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (603 days ago)

If Walmart didn't exist, all those people that work there today would never get a job anywhere?

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If Walmart didn't exist, all those people that work there today would never get a job anywhere?

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TheBob TheBob (602 days ago)

Yes, but what about my comment on your being a drug user and complaining about the price? Show some initiative and either find cheaper drugs or stop taking them.

Don't just moan at the rest of us because you don't like the price you pay for your drugs.

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Yes, but what about my comment on your being a drug user and complaining about the price? Show some initiative and either find cheaper drugs or stop taking them.

Don't just moan at the rest of us because you don't like the price you pay for your drugs.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (602 days ago)

I do use prescription drugs and I pay for them. It is expeced that I will pay $3,500 for my healthcare needs this year and that is above and beyond the rate that I pay for my insurance. That includes drugs and doctor visits.

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I do use prescription drugs and I pay for them. It is expeced that I will pay $3,500 for my healthcare needs this year and that is above and beyond the rate that I pay for my insurance. That includes drugs and doctor visits.

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TheBob TheBob (602 days ago)

So you're paying $X for insurance and another $3,500 on top - or you're paying $X for insurance which is less than the $3,500 that your drugs and other healthcare cost?

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So you're paying $X for insurance and another $3,500 on top - or you're paying $X for insurance which is less than the $3,500 that your drugs and other healthcare cost?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (602 days ago)

My medical insurance premiums are $206.62/month or $2,479.44 per year. My dental policy is separate and costs $22.58/month or $270.96/year. I pay those amounts regardless if I use medical services or not.

I then have deductables that I have to meet before insurance will pay anything. The first deductable is $1,200 and after that, the insurance will pay 80% and I pay 20%. Once I reach an out-of-pocket amount of $3,500, the insurance will pay 100% of the costs.

Since I have a lot of medical needs, I expect to pay the entire $3,500 out of pocket. Healthier people may not have to pay any above and beyond their insurance premiums but I don't fit in that category. I still feel it is fair for me to pay for my own healthcare and people that are healthy don't have to pay that additional $3,500.

In summary, this year I will pay a total of $3,500 + $2,479.44 + $270.96 = $6,250.40 for full medical and dental coverage and not have to pay a penny more than that no matter how many surgical procedures I need. That is the absolute maximum. On average, I have 16 doctor visits a year and several surgical procedures with a ton of prescription drugs. I am paying a lot but when I think about how many services I get for that $6K, I am getting off cheap.

Due to Obamacare, everyone in the USA must have healthcare insurance. They may select worse or better coverage than what I have but there are minimum requirements. My insurance meets more than the minimum Obamacare requirements. But since Obamacare has been introduced, I've experienced an increase of 15% in my insurance premiums and about a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket expenses. It is now less affordable than ever before. It should not be called "The Affordable Healthcare Act" because it's far from affordable.

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My medical insurance premiums are $206.62/month or $2,479.44 per year. My dental policy is separate and costs $22.58/month or $270.96/year. I pay those amounts regardless if I use medical services or not.

I then have deductables that I have to meet before insurance will pay anything. The first deductable is $1,200 and after that, the insurance will pay 80% and I pay 20%. Once I reach an out-of-pocket amount of $3,500, the insurance will pay 100% of the costs.

Since I have a lot of medical needs, I expect to pay the entire $3,500 out of pocket. Healthier people may not have to pay any above and beyond their insurance premiums but I don't fit in that category. I still feel it is fair for me to pay for my own healthcare and people that are healthy don't have to pay that additional $3,500.

In summary, this year I will pay a total of $3,500 + $2,479.44 + $270.96 = $6,250.40 for full medical and dental coverage and not have to pay a penny more than that no matter how many surgical procedures I need. That is the absolute maximum. On average, I have 16 doctor visits a year and several surgical procedures with a ton of prescription drugs. I am paying a lot but when I think about how many services I get for that $6K, I am getting off cheap.

Due to Obamacare, everyone in the USA must have healthcare insurance. They may select worse or better coverage than what I have but there are minimum requirements. My insurance meets more than the minimum Obamacare requirements. But since Obamacare has been introduced, I've experienced an increase of 15% in my insurance premiums and about a $2,000 annual out-of-pocket expenses. It is now less affordable than ever before. It should not be called "The Affordable Healthcare Act" because it's far from affordable.

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Guest: jechill (602 days ago)

I pay a total of nothing for my dental, healthcare and medications.

If i made more money id be expected to pay, but i don't and i have a disability so govt subsidises my healthcare.

It comes off my taxes which are high but i feel im getting off easy.

Go Bernie

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I pay a total of nothing for my dental, healthcare and medications.

If i made more money id be expected to pay, but i don't and i have a disability so govt subsidises my healthcare.

It comes off my taxes which are high but i feel im getting off easy.

Go Bernie

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (602 days ago)

You don't pay but people who actually contribute to society pays for you. That's where the issue is. You are being subsidized by the working class instead of being responsible for yourself.

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You don't pay but people who actually contribute to society pays for you. That's where the issue is. You are being subsidized by the working class instead of being responsible for yourself.

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Guest: jechill (602 days ago)

I work and i pay my taxes, own my own home, drive my own car, all have i paid for and i paid taxes on. I also own my own store and pay taxes on that as well. I have one mortgage that i pay for and i pay taxes on that. Until recently i employed 3 people regularily. I also pay income tax every year.

Again your mouth runs but you don't know what your saying.

Our taxes pay for our health care and i pay my fair share.

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I work and i pay my taxes, own my own home, drive my own car, all have i paid for and i paid taxes on. I also own my own store and pay taxes on that as well. I have one mortgage that i pay for and i pay taxes on that. Until recently i employed 3 people regularily. I also pay income tax every year.

Again your mouth runs but you don't know what your saying.

Our taxes pay for our health care and i pay my fair share.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (602 days ago)

Sounds like you make a lot of money so where does your comment, "If i made more money id be expected to pay" come in? You suggested that, because you have a disability, you're not working enough to earn enough money to have to have taxes taken out for healthcare.

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Sounds like you make a lot of money so where does your comment, "If i made more money id be expected to pay" come in? You suggested that, because you have a disability, you're not working enough to earn enough money to have to have taxes taken out for healthcare.

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Guest: jechill (602 days ago)

No i make money and i pay tax on it but i make beneath the amount needed to get benefits. I recieve no money from the govt, but all of my health care needs are met by the govt. I also recieve a pension from workers compensation. My employees were also disabled workers. I no longer can afford to pay them. My money, as you say, was made by some very clever purchases i made a few years ago but all of it is in real estate which i am not allowed to sell. I make 300 bucks a month right now and you expect me to pay 500 bucks of that on drugs to stay alive.

I work as much as I can when my health allows and most of the time Im at work where i keep a cot in the basement. I have never been on welfare nor unemployment.

You think i don't pay taxt yet every year i pay my book keeper $1,000 bucks to take care of my taxes, every year for the last 20 years ive paid income tax I also pay property tax as well on Two buildings.

My business makes enough to keep itself going and pay the taxes with very little profit, Im not even allowed to have a personal bank balance of any kind and any money i make above a certain amount they take.

No one would ever hire me to do the job I am trained to do except contract work. Sure I make 600 bucks this week but nothing the rest of the year. Doesnt work.

Your an ignorant ass

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No i make money and i pay tax on it but i make beneath the amount needed to get benefits. I recieve no money from the govt, but all of my health care needs are met by the govt. I also recieve a pension from workers compensation. My employees were also disabled workers. I no longer can afford to pay them. My money, as you say, was made by some very clever purchases i made a few years ago but all of it is in real estate which i am not allowed to sell. I make 300 bucks a month right now and you expect me to pay 500 bucks of that on drugs to stay alive.

I work as much as I can when my health allows and most of the time Im at work where i keep a cot in the basement. I have never been on welfare nor unemployment.

You think i don't pay taxt yet every year i pay my book keeper $1,000 bucks to take care of my taxes, every year for the last 20 years ive paid income tax I also pay property tax as well on Two buildings.

My business makes enough to keep itself going and pay the taxes with very little profit, Im not even allowed to have a personal bank balance of any kind and any money i make above a certain amount they take.

No one would ever hire me to do the job I am trained to do except contract work. Sure I make 600 bucks this week but nothing the rest of the year. Doesnt work.

Your an ignorant ass

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (601 days ago)

"I have never been on welfare nor unemployment." You make 300 bucks a month so the rest of the money you get is a welfare whether it is disability payments or whatever. Even the free healthcare you're getting is a type of welfare because you're getting a benefit that costs money from the state for free.

Seems sort of strange to me that you pay someone $1000 a year to do your taxes when you only make $300/month. I think someone is lying to me. Either you're making more than that or you don't really pay $1000 to someone to file your taxes. That is equal to more than 3 months of your pay just to have someone do your taxes so that leaves you with $2,600 left to live on for the rest of the year. I don't think that's possible without some form of subsidies.

"Your an ignorant ass" Funny you keep using that "your" word incorrectly and I haven't been saying anything but now you use it in a sentence where you call someone else ignorant. I will admit that I'm ignorant about some subjects like I have no idea who the Kardashians are and I don't care either. But about welfare programs, disabilities, government subsidies, and other social programs, I think I might have the edge here.

By the way, if you're making money by investing in real estate, that is still income. Many people, including Donald Trump, have become billionaires in the real estate market. The fact that you can afford to buy multiple buildings probably makes you better off than 95% of the rest of the world.

I don't have sympathy for you beause you have to pay property taxes. Who cares. Everyone that owns property has to pay taxes on it every year. In my country, that's how we pay for our schools, police, and fire department.

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"I have never been on welfare nor unemployment." You make 300 bucks a month so the rest of the money you get is a welfare whether it is disability payments or whatever. Even the free healthcare you're getting is a type of welfare because you're getting a benefit that costs money from the state for free.

Seems sort of strange to me that you pay someone $1000 a year to do your taxes when you only make $300/month. I think someone is lying to me. Either you're making more than that or you don't really pay $1000 to someone to file your taxes. That is equal to more than 3 months of your pay just to have someone do your taxes so that leaves you with $2,600 left to live on for the rest of the year. I don't think that's possible without some form of subsidies.

"Your an ignorant ass" Funny you keep using that "your" word incorrectly and I haven't been saying anything but now you use it in a sentence where you call someone else ignorant. I will admit that I'm ignorant about some subjects like I have no idea who the Kardashians are and I don't care either. But about welfare programs, disabilities, government subsidies, and other social programs, I think I might have the edge here.

By the way, if you're making money by investing in real estate, that is still income. Many people, including Donald Trump, have become billionaires in the real estate market. The fact that you can afford to buy multiple buildings probably makes you better off than 95% of the rest of the world.

I don't have sympathy for you beause you have to pay property taxes. Who cares. Everyone that owns property has to pay taxes on it every year. In my country, that's how we pay for our schools, police, and fire department.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

Either you go or I go but one way or another i wont have to listen to your bull shit trolling anymore you ******* scum bag.

I scrape you from my shoe.

Delete my account.

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Either you go or I go but one way or another i wont have to listen to your bull shit trolling anymore you ******* scum bag.

I scrape you from my shoe.

Delete my account.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

go **** yourself loser.

Im done talking to you and i don't owe you any explanations.

You're the biggest asshole i have ever come into contact with.

What i did with my money before my accident is of no concern to you so **** off.

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go **** yourself loser.

Im done talking to you and i don't owe you any explanations.

You're the biggest asshole i have ever come into contact with.

What i did with my money before my accident is of no concern to you so **** off.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (601 days ago)

Hope you will stop replying to my messages soon then.

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Hope you will stop replying to my messages soon then.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

Cunt

Ive paid more income tax than you have ever earned you piece of digusting dog shit.

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Cunt

Ive paid more income tax than you have ever earned you piece of digusting dog shit.

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TheBob TheBob (602 days ago)

Well, if you don't like it you should move somewhere with a healthcare system that suits you better.

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Well, if you don't like it you should move somewhere with a healthcare system that suits you better.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (602 days ago)

That is a good idea. When I retire and have no taxable income, I'll come live in the UK where my healthcare will be free.

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That is a good idea. When I retire and have no taxable income, I'll come live in the UK where my healthcare will be free.

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TheBob TheBob (601 days ago)

Have you een reading Ayn Rand again?

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Have you een reading Ayn Rand again?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (601 days ago)

Nope, not my kind of reading.

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Nope, not my kind of reading.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

Who cares about you, you dick.

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Who cares about you, you dick.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (601 days ago)

I was responding to "TheBob" and not you so perhaps "TheBob" is the answer you're looking for.

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I was responding to "TheBob" and not you so perhaps "TheBob" is the answer you're looking for.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

screw off you know nothing piece of shit.

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screw off you know nothing piece of shit.

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Guest: jechill (601 days ago)

Why are you home everyday?

What disability do you have?

Where do you get your money?

Must be on welfare and abusing the system.

Must not be contributing to society.

If i had you here right now I would gladly make you disabled.

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Why are you home everyday?

What disability do you have?

Where do you get your money?

Must be on welfare and abusing the system.

Must not be contributing to society.

If i had you here right now I would gladly make you disabled.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (601 days ago)
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I have no obligations to answer your questions. But I would tell you one thing, I am home part of every day and you probably are too. Most people are unless they travel for a living.

Just because I type on this site nearly every day recently doesn't mean that I'm doing it from home. The Internet is available where I work, at home, and when I'm out shopping through my wireless carrier. Maybe where you live you only have internet access at home but we live in a country where it's everywhere.

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I have no obligations to answer your questions. But I would tell you one thing, I am home part of every day and you probably are too. Most people are unless they travel for a living.

Just because I type on this site nearly every day recently doesn't mean that I'm doing it from home. The Internet is available where I work, at home, and when I'm out shopping through my wireless carrier. Maybe where you live you only have internet access at home but we live in a country where it's everywhere.

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