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Samantha Bee - Orlando's turn for a mass shooting

Samantha Bee - Orlando's turn for a mass shooting

(7:49) If only more had prayed. Angry American/Canadian comedian Samantha Bee looks into the mass shooting in Orlando.

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Guest: 986b2 (548 days ago)

From HuffPo report of shooting of Jo Cox, 2016-06-10:

• Very concerned about reports Jo Cox has been injured. Our thoughts and prayers are with Jo and her family. - David Cameron

• All our thoughts and prayers are with Jo Cox and her family. - Hillary Benn

and from assorted comments

• Thoughts and prayers - Rodger Lodger

• Shocking. My thoughts go out to her and her two children. - Rob Sloane

Is there any observable difference between placing your thoughts and prayers with someone, and doing nothing at all?

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From HuffPo report of shooting of Jo Cox, 2016-06-10:

• Very concerned about reports Jo Cox has been injured. Our thoughts and prayers are with Jo and her family. - David Cameron

• All our thoughts and prayers are with Jo Cox and her family. - Hillary Benn

and from assorted comments

• Thoughts and prayers - Rodger Lodger

• Shocking. My thoughts go out to her and her two children. - Rob Sloane

Is there any observable difference between placing your thoughts and prayers with someone, and doing nothing at all?

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Guest: (548 days ago)

Isn't 'thoughts and prayers' just a statement of sympathy? Rightly or wrongly, some people take comfort in the knowledge that people are 'praying for them'. It's well meaning and inoffensive but it shouldn't be used by governors who are in a position of control yet who seem to do nothing else.

I guess the difference is UK gun murders like the one in Birstall are already rare and the government already does about as much as it can to make sure they don't happen. That's why 'thoughts and prayers' doesn't seem as insufficient. If only that could be said for mass shootings in the USA.

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Isn't 'thoughts and prayers' just a statement of sympathy? Rightly or wrongly, some people take comfort in the knowledge that people are 'praying for them'. It's well meaning and inoffensive but it shouldn't be used by governors who are in a position of control yet who seem to do nothing else.

I guess the difference is UK gun murders like the one in Birstall are already rare and the government already does about as much as it can to make sure they don't happen. That's why 'thoughts and prayers' doesn't seem as insufficient. If only that could be said for mass shootings in the USA.

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Guest: thoughts and prayers (546 days ago)

It's just an empty cliché, used to make the speakers look as if they care. A good sound bite. But they don't care enough to say something meaningful, let alone actually do anything useful.

All these thoughts and prayers did not stop Jo Cox from dying.

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It's just an empty cliché, used to make the speakers look as if they care. A good sound bite. But they don't care enough to say something meaningful, let alone actually do anything useful.

All these thoughts and prayers did not stop Jo Cox from dying.

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Guest: (546 days ago)

What would have stopped Jo Cox from dying, out of interest? What would you like to hear them say that will stop this sort of thing happening? This isn't America. There aren't obvious solutions.

The phrase is occasionally misused of course, but it's a statement of sympathy and I suppose an acknowledgement that most of us can do absolutely nothing about this sort of thing, particularly in retrospect.

Personally, I have a deep hope that her family are able to recover from this tragedy, and that people won't use this as an excuse to hate. That's my thought and prayer. I'm keen to hear what practical steps you will be taking instead of my lazy sympathy.

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What would have stopped Jo Cox from dying, out of interest? What would you like to hear them say that will stop this sort of thing happening? This isn't America. There aren't obvious solutions.

The phrase is occasionally misused of course, but it's a statement of sympathy and I suppose an acknowledgement that most of us can do absolutely nothing about this sort of thing, particularly in retrospect.

Personally, I have a deep hope that her family are able to recover from this tragedy, and that people won't use this as an excuse to hate. That's my thought and prayer. I'm keen to hear what practical steps you will be taking instead of my lazy sympathy.

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Guest: thoughts and prayers (545 days ago)

I agree - no obvious solutions. Perhaps if Mair (? the killer) didn't have a gun, or had been on a watch list, this could have been avoided. But the solution is likely to be worse than the crime - we would need Big Brother to keep an eye on everyone.

You have a "deep hope that her family are able to recover from this tragedy." Do you know these people? I'm guessing not, so do they get your deep hope shared with all the other tragedies happening everywhere in the world on an hourly basis? Sure, I'm sorry for them, but it would be wrong to suggest that I have any particular sympathy. I feel sorrier for the family of the toddler who was taken by an alligator in Florida, because that seems more horrific to me - in other words, I am sorrier because of how it affects me, not because of how it affects them.

What practical steps am I taking? None. Just like you and all the thoughts and prayers people. The "steps" they take are just so they don't look totally unfeeling - covering their political asses.

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I agree - no obvious solutions. Perhaps if Mair (? the killer) didn't have a gun, or had been on a watch list, this could have been avoided. But the solution is likely to be worse than the crime - we would need Big Brother to keep an eye on everyone.

You have a "deep hope that her family are able to recover from this tragedy." Do you know these people? I'm guessing not, so do they get your deep hope shared with all the other tragedies happening everywhere in the world on an hourly basis? Sure, I'm sorry for them, but it would be wrong to suggest that I have any particular sympathy. I feel sorrier for the family of the toddler who was taken by an alligator in Florida, because that seems more horrific to me - in other words, I am sorrier because of how it affects me, not because of how it affects them.

What practical steps am I taking? None. Just like you and all the thoughts and prayers people. The "steps" they take are just so they don't look totally unfeeling - covering their political asses.

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Guest: (545 days ago)

The gun seems to have been handmade, and a watch list wouldn't have prevented him from being where he was.

"Thoughts and prayers shows sympathy and compassion" while acknowledging that there's nothing much that we can do to make their situation better. It's not a 'step', it's what you do when you can't take a step. The fact you claim to feel sorry for the alligator tragedy family shows that your thoughts have been with them at some point - it's just a semantic gripe of yours.

My sympathy for her family is shared, of course, with every other tragedy I know about. Are you expecting me to feel compassion about tragedies that haven't even made the news? Interestingly, the sister of Jo Cox specifically said how much the thoughts and prayers had made a difference to them. Enough said, I feel.

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The gun seems to have been handmade, and a watch list wouldn't have prevented him from being where he was.

"Thoughts and prayers shows sympathy and compassion" while acknowledging that there's nothing much that we can do to make their situation better. It's not a 'step', it's what you do when you can't take a step. The fact you claim to feel sorry for the alligator tragedy family shows that your thoughts have been with them at some point - it's just a semantic gripe of yours.

My sympathy for her family is shared, of course, with every other tragedy I know about. Are you expecting me to feel compassion about tragedies that haven't even made the news? Interestingly, the sister of Jo Cox specifically said how much the thoughts and prayers had made a difference to them. Enough said, I feel.

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Enough said - agreed. :)

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Enough said - agreed. :)

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Guest: 47b9f (550 days ago)

Next time someone offers "thoughts and prayers" for something like this ask them specifically what they are thinking about and praying for. In detail.

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