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John Oliver - Brexit, the aftermath

John Oliver - Brexit, the aftermath

(8:03) John Oliver discusses the aftermath of Britain voting to leave the EU.

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Guest: Keñny (663 days ago)

Who is this guy? Total nonentity in GB whose opinion counts for nothing from that side of the pond!

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Who is this guy? Total nonentity in GB whose opinion counts for nothing from that side of the pond!

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Guest: (663 days ago)

He is a British comedian living in the USA so his opinion probably does count if you consider that he is one of your own.

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He is a British comedian living in the USA so his opinion probably does count if you consider that he is one of your own.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (663 days ago)

I can't believe we left the EU because of the dreams of Nigel Farage.

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I can't believe we left the EU because of the dreams of Nigel Farage.

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TheBob TheBob (663 days ago)

At least Farage seems to believe his own rhetoric. I can't believe we left because of the naked ambition and self-interest of Boris Johnson.

Well done, Boris. You've precipitated a financial crisis, probably broken up the United Kingdom and quite possibly started the collapse of the EU just because you wanted to be party leader and put one over on your old mate Dave.

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At least Farage seems to believe his own rhetoric. I can't believe we left because of the naked ambition and self-interest of Boris Johnson.

Well done, Boris. You've precipitated a financial crisis, probably broken up the United Kingdom and quite possibly started the collapse of the EU just because you wanted to be party leader and put one over on your old mate Dave.

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Guest: I_disagree (663 days ago)

I think most people voted Remain for similar reasons - we knew what was on offer and it seemed the best, or least bad, option. Perhaps some voted Remain because they liked the gravy train, but I honestly don't think that would be many votes.

But voting Leave was different - no-one knew what was being offered so everyone was able to invent their own reason, or follow their own dream. Some of the reasons I have identified:

1. Gullibility . Believing the Leave campaign lies eg the NHS will get £350 million a week.

2. Alienation . Wanting to give the "establishment" a bloody nose, whatever the cost. I think there is a huge sense of alienation outside the Westminster bubble, and it is Westminster's fault. It is the job of leaders to lead, ie to bring everyone along with their ideas, and not simply to shoot off into the distance saying "do keep up" and constantly telling people they are not important. Paying endless subsidies to disadvantaged areas is not a substitute for leadership and does not address this problem.

3. Xenophobia . Whether based on race, nationality, colour, religion ... this is the belief that all our problems are caused by the Others who Come Here and Take Our Jobs, Take Our Women, Take Our Benefits, etc. This attitude is obscene but understandable. It comes out when times are hard (austerity?) and demagogues (Farage, Trump, Le Pen, Hitler) see it as a way to power.

4. Revolution . I have heard of (but not met) some who voted Leave because they knew it would damage the economy - but that is what they wanted. They want to bring down Western Civilization and they thought that voting Leave would be a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

5. Nostalgia . Some people just prefered life in the good old days, usually since 1945. The fact that the good old days since 1945 have been good arguably because of the rise of the EU goes right over their heads. They would like to return to when Britain was Great and independent, but don't understand that a Europe full of independent nations is demonstrably unstable and dangerous.

6. Sovereignty . Many people felt that the UK was "ruled" from Brussels, and that it cost too much into the bargain. Things like the ECHR, Boris Johnson's lies about bananas, fed this belief. Brussels was simply making up crazy rules and imposing them all over the place, we had no way to stop them except by getting out. We had lost our sovereignty. Trouble is, this logic leads to the complete break-up of all political structures since everyone can make the same argument right down to the individual level.

7. Democracy . The EU seems to be unnecessarily complicated and undemocratic. People are appointed to well-paid positions and we, the hoi polloi, are expected to foot the bills and obey. This is one criticism I agree with - it contributes to Alienation above.

The only good thing I can imagine coming out of Leave is that the EU might reaise that it needs radical reform. A union of 500 million people is not a simple thing to get right, so it is essential that mechanisms for adjustments are built in. They don't seem to be: anything major requires unanimous approval of the Council of Ministers (?) so it is next to impossible.

Lets look forward to EU2.

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I think most people voted Remain for similar reasons - we knew what was on offer and it seemed the best, or least bad, option. Perhaps some voted Remain because they liked the gravy train, but I honestly don't think that would be many votes.

But voting Leave was different - no-one knew what was being offered so everyone was able to invent their own reason, or follow their own dream. Some of the reasons I have identified:

1. Gullibility . Believing the Leave campaign lies eg the NHS will get £350 million a week.

2. Alienation . Wanting to give the "establishment" a bloody nose, whatever the cost. I think there is a huge sense of alienation outside the Westminster bubble, and it is Westminster's fault. It is the job of leaders to lead, ie to bring everyone along with their ideas, and not simply to shoot off into the distance saying "do keep up" and constantly telling people they are not important. Paying endless subsidies to disadvantaged areas is not a substitute for leadership and does not address this problem.

3. Xenophobia . Whether based on race, nationality, colour, religion ... this is the belief that all our problems are caused by the Others who Come Here and Take Our Jobs, Take Our Women, Take Our Benefits, etc. This attitude is obscene but understandable. It comes out when times are hard (austerity?) and demagogues (Farage, Trump, Le Pen, Hitler) see it as a way to power.

4. Revolution . I have heard of (but not met) some who voted Leave because they knew it would damage the economy - but that is what they wanted. They want to bring down Western Civilization and they thought that voting Leave would be a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

5. Nostalgia . Some people just prefered life in the good old days, usually since 1945. The fact that the good old days since 1945 have been good arguably because of the rise of the EU goes right over their heads. They would like to return to when Britain was Great and independent, but don't understand that a Europe full of independent nations is demonstrably unstable and dangerous.

6. Sovereignty . Many people felt that the UK was "ruled" from Brussels, and that it cost too much into the bargain. Things like the ECHR, Boris Johnson's lies about bananas, fed this belief. Brussels was simply making up crazy rules and imposing them all over the place, we had no way to stop them except by getting out. We had lost our sovereignty. Trouble is, this logic leads to the complete break-up of all political structures since everyone can make the same argument right down to the individual level.

7. Democracy . The EU seems to be unnecessarily complicated and undemocratic. People are appointed to well-paid positions and we, the hoi polloi, are expected to foot the bills and obey. This is one criticism I agree with - it contributes to Alienation above.

The only good thing I can imagine coming out of Leave is that the EU might reaise that it needs radical reform. A union of 500 million people is not a simple thing to get right, so it is essential that mechanisms for adjustments are built in. They don't seem to be: anything major requires unanimous approval of the Council of Ministers (?) so it is next to impossible.

Lets look forward to EU2.

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Casey Casey (663 days ago)

Best thing for Britain. Typical John Oliver over reaction. The EU is going down with or without Britain, at least this way Britain stands a chance. If Scotland and Ireland want to remain in the EU they are joining a sinking ship and their politicians should be shot for even thinking about it.

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Best thing for Britain. Typical John Oliver over reaction. The EU is going down with or without Britain, at least this way Britain stands a chance. If Scotland and Ireland want to remain in the EU they are joining a sinking ship and their politicians should be shot for even thinking about it.

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Guest: I_disagree (663 days ago)

Seems to be an common feature of nationalists that if you disagree with them then you are treasonous and should be killed.

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Seems to be an common feature of nationalists that if you disagree with them then you are treasonous and should be killed.

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Casey Casey (662 days ago)

Figure of speech, but then again treason is punishable by death.

Unlike the real violence and attacks on Trump and his supporters by the so called "tolerant" liberals.....

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Figure of speech, but then again treason is punishable by death.

Unlike the real violence and attacks on Trump and his supporters by the so called "tolerant" liberals.....

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Guest: I_disagree (662 days ago)

Casey - I'd accept it as figurative in your post here, not in the wider context. Here in Scotland we had an independence referendum just a couple of years ago, which pitched the nationalists against everyone else, and the accusations of treason and treachery were plentiful.

I think the reason is this. Nationalism is identity politics, mostly based on ancestry and place of birth - which you have no control over and cannot change. If you have the right identity parameters to be a Nationalist, but choose not to agree with their politics, then you must have chosen to rebel against your correct and proper way of thinking. The only explanation available to a Nationalist is that you are a traitor to your class, which as you say is punishable by death.

Whether the death is literal or figurative varies from group to group but the sentiment seems to be the same.

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Casey - I'd accept it as figurative in your post here, not in the wider context. Here in Scotland we had an independence referendum just a couple of years ago, which pitched the nationalists against everyone else, and the accusations of treason and treachery were plentiful.

I think the reason is this. Nationalism is identity politics, mostly based on ancestry and place of birth - which you have no control over and cannot change. If you have the right identity parameters to be a Nationalist, but choose not to agree with their politics, then you must have chosen to rebel against your correct and proper way of thinking. The only explanation available to a Nationalist is that you are a traitor to your class, which as you say is punishable by death.

Whether the death is literal or figurative varies from group to group but the sentiment seems to be the same.

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Casey Casey (662 days ago)

I have to agree with your point, the only acception is that you make it sound like only nationalists have violent tendencies where I see it across the board where ever there are zealots regardless of political affiliation, religion etc.

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I have to agree with your point, the only acception is that you make it sound like only nationalists have violent tendencies where I see it across the board where ever there are zealots regardless of political affiliation, religion etc.

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Guest: I_disagree (662 days ago)
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Casey - Agreed. Nationalism is not the only evil in the world, but I think it is on the rise across Europe and the USA today. Partly in response to things like the rise in religious violence, I would say.

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Casey - Agreed. Nationalism is not the only evil in the world, but I think it is on the rise across Europe and the USA today. Partly in response to things like the rise in religious violence, I would say.

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