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Bill Maher - Is globalisation failing everybody?

Bill Maher - Is globalisation failing everybody?

(3:42) A tough question for liberals. Extreme poverty in the nineties was 40% around the world. Today it is 10%. So is globalisation really the root of all evil, as many would claim?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (472 days ago)

Robots are awesome!

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Robots are awesome!

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (471 days ago)

Robots + Universal Basic Income is awesome.

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Robots + Universal Basic Income is awesome.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (470 days ago)

Who pays that universal income? It would be the remaining working people that were not replaced by robots. That is not fair to make the working people pay for people that cannot adapt and get a new job.

There are many quasi-robots out there such as soda machines, snack machines, and ATMs. They have replaced many people. Do you think we should continue to pay the bank tellers their salary after they were laid off and replaced by ATMs?

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Who pays that universal income? It would be the remaining working people that were not replaced by robots. That is not fair to make the working people pay for people that cannot adapt and get a new job.

There are many quasi-robots out there such as soda machines, snack machines, and ATMs. They have replaced many people. Do you think we should continue to pay the bank tellers their salary after they were laid off and replaced by ATMs?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

"That is not fair to make the working people pay for people that cannot adapt and get a new job." Of course I'm talking about a world where there are not enough jobs to go around - I'll make up some numbers: imagine a world where the population is 10 billion with only 1 billion jobs available. (Today, the population is 7.4 billion and there are about 5 billion jobs).

So is it fair for 1 billion working people to pay for 9 billion unemployed? Forget fairness, it would be stupid not to. UBI comes far cheaper than civil unrest.

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"That is not fair to make the working people pay for people that cannot adapt and get a new job." Of course I'm talking about a world where there are not enough jobs to go around - I'll make up some numbers: imagine a world where the population is 10 billion with only 1 billion jobs available. (Today, the population is 7.4 billion and there are about 5 billion jobs).

So is it fair for 1 billion working people to pay for 9 billion unemployed? Forget fairness, it would be stupid not to. UBI comes far cheaper than civil unrest.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

You didn't answer my question about if we should still pay those laid off tellers that lost their jobs when ATMs were deployed. We should pay them for the rest of their lives, right? There are no other jobs out there that they can do so it only makes sense (to you).

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You didn't answer my question about if we should still pay those laid off tellers that lost their jobs when ATMs were deployed. We should pay them for the rest of their lives, right? There are no other jobs out there that they can do so it only makes sense (to you).

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

Yes we should, and we do. It's called welfare.

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Yes we should, and we do. It's called welfare.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

Then I say you are crazy. There are still other jobs out there where those people that lost their jobs because of the implementation of ATMs can qualify. In your dream world, all one needs to do is lose their job for any reason then just sit at home and do nothing while the rest of the working people pay your way through life. In my ideal world, everyone will be responsible for earning their own way by providing goods or services that are needed or wanted by the community. If you used to provide widgets that are no longer needed, you better adapt and provide something else or risk not earning a living. Those that cannot adapt are failures in life.

If your job gets replaced by a robot, you should go back to school to learn how to program, repair, or manufacture robots. If you don't do that then you aren't trying hard enough.

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Then I say you are crazy. There are still other jobs out there where those people that lost their jobs because of the implementation of ATMs can qualify. In your dream world, all one needs to do is lose their job for any reason then just sit at home and do nothing while the rest of the working people pay your way through life. In my ideal world, everyone will be responsible for earning their own way by providing goods or services that are needed or wanted by the community. If you used to provide widgets that are no longer needed, you better adapt and provide something else or risk not earning a living. Those that cannot adapt are failures in life.

If your job gets replaced by a robot, you should go back to school to learn how to program, repair, or manufacture robots. If you don't do that then you aren't trying hard enough.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

Imagine a world where the population is 10 billion but there are only 1 billion jobs. Do you think that's fantasy?

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Imagine a world where the population is 10 billion but there are only 1 billion jobs. Do you think that's fantasy?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

A job according to your definition is where a company provides you employment in return for a wage. But there are other ways to earn a wage. You need to find something the community needs and provide that good or service to them. You can create your own job or company and not wait for someone to provide it to you.

Do you really think there will be a time in the future where humans can just sit at home all day and not do a single thing? There will always be a need for humans and it might be to maintain the machines that provide services. Someone will be needed to create those machines too. You may have driverless cars in the future but someone will be creating those cars or mining the raw materials for them.

If you have a current job as a taxi driver and you lose your job because of some new public transportation, you can move into a new sector by being a provider of that public transporation. Either get on board the new technology or be left behind. It is your choice. If you decide to be left behind, don't expect me to pay your way through life.

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A job according to your definition is where a company provides you employment in return for a wage. But there are other ways to earn a wage. You need to find something the community needs and provide that good or service to them. You can create your own job or company and not wait for someone to provide it to you.

Do you really think there will be a time in the future where humans can just sit at home all day and not do a single thing? There will always be a need for humans and it might be to maintain the machines that provide services. Someone will be needed to create those machines too. You may have driverless cars in the future but someone will be creating those cars or mining the raw materials for them.

If you have a current job as a taxi driver and you lose your job because of some new public transportation, you can move into a new sector by being a provider of that public transporation. Either get on board the new technology or be left behind. It is your choice. If you decide to be left behind, don't expect me to pay your way through life.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

That's the beauty of UBI. It allows anyone to create their own job without the need to make a profit.

The question is, would people just become lazy and vegetate, or would the freedom from profit-making unleash human creativity and take civilisation to a new level?

Truth is, we don't know. But there are pilots to be trialled in Finland and the Netherlands in 2017. LINK

"It's those damn Europeans who keep having wacky ideas. I wish they'd stick with the status quo because it doesn't work!" COncernedLibertarian.

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That's the beauty of UBI. It allows anyone to create their own job without the need to make a profit.

The question is, would people just become lazy and vegetate, or would the freedom from profit-making unleash human creativity and take civilisation to a new level?

Truth is, we don't know. But there are pilots to be trialled in Finland and the Netherlands in 2017. LINK

"It's those damn Europeans who keep having wacky ideas. I wish they'd stick with the status quo because it doesn't work!" COncernedLibertarian.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

But if nobody has a job, nobody is left to pay the UBI.

Eventually if there are no jobs left, people will still pay for creativity in the arts and entertainment. Someone will still be making the money and it has always been this way. There were no corporations 2,000 years ago. The king used to own all the wealth and all the peasants worked for the king. The king owned all the land. Today is no different. The rich own most of the property and the poor rent from the rich. Or, if they are creative and can provide a wanted service or product, they can become rich too and then buy property and became landlords too.

Answer this. What prevents a poor person from getting a bank loan for $100 and buying a used lawnmower and then going around town mowing lawns for $45 each and making big money? They can pay the money back in one day. Or if they have a relative, they can probably borrow the money for free. It only takes $100 to start your own business and you can make a lot of money doing it. You can even use your welfare check to finance the lawnmower for a day. So what stops a poor person from doing that today?

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But if nobody has a job, nobody is left to pay the UBI.

Eventually if there are no jobs left, people will still pay for creativity in the arts and entertainment. Someone will still be making the money and it has always been this way. There were no corporations 2,000 years ago. The king used to own all the wealth and all the peasants worked for the king. The king owned all the land. Today is no different. The rich own most of the property and the poor rent from the rich. Or, if they are creative and can provide a wanted service or product, they can become rich too and then buy property and became landlords too.

Answer this. What prevents a poor person from getting a bank loan for $100 and buying a used lawnmower and then going around town mowing lawns for $45 each and making big money? They can pay the money back in one day. Or if they have a relative, they can probably borrow the money for free. It only takes $100 to start your own business and you can make a lot of money doing it. You can even use your welfare check to finance the lawnmower for a day. So what stops a poor person from doing that today?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

"What prevents a poor person from getting a bank loan for $100 and buying a used lawnmower and then going around town mowing lawns for $45 each and making big money?" Other poor people who don't have $45 to spend on getting their lawn mowed, that's even if they have a lawn.

You need a better business plan than that.

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"What prevents a poor person from getting a bank loan for $100 and buying a used lawnmower and then going around town mowing lawns for $45 each and making big money?" Other poor people who don't have $45 to spend on getting their lawn mowed, that's even if they have a lawn.

You need a better business plan than that.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

Huh? Of course poor people are not the target audience for this kind of service. I don't even know why you went there and assumed I thought they would.

There are many middle income people (and rich) that don't like to maintain their own lawn and would rather pay someone else to do it. Most of my neighbors hire someone and pay $45 for about 20 minutes of work. Of course that is with a huge riding mower but you could do the same job with a push mower in about 40 minutes. That comes out to a wage of $67.50 an hour -- good pay for any poor person willing to do some hard work.

I'm sure I mentioned this scenario to you before. I told you that this happens and I refuse to pay that much money for unskilled labor but many people do pay it. It's in demand so as long as you're willing to work, the money is there. You can probably undercut the competition and charge $40 and then start hiring a crew and pay them $15/hour and pocket the rest. You could make millions.

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Huh? Of course poor people are not the target audience for this kind of service. I don't even know why you went there and assumed I thought they would.

There are many middle income people (and rich) that don't like to maintain their own lawn and would rather pay someone else to do it. Most of my neighbors hire someone and pay $45 for about 20 minutes of work. Of course that is with a huge riding mower but you could do the same job with a push mower in about 40 minutes. That comes out to a wage of $67.50 an hour -- good pay for any poor person willing to do some hard work.

I'm sure I mentioned this scenario to you before. I told you that this happens and I refuse to pay that much money for unskilled labor but many people do pay it. It's in demand so as long as you're willing to work, the money is there. You can probably undercut the competition and charge $40 and then start hiring a crew and pay them $15/hour and pocket the rest. You could make millions.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (469 days ago)

How many lawns do you think there are in the favelas of Rio? Or the slums of Mumbai? Or Brixton in London?

Just to remind you, we are talking about a future world where billions of people will never have a job because robots are cheaper.

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How many lawns do you think there are in the favelas of Rio? Or the slums of Mumbai? Or Brixton in London?

Just to remind you, we are talking about a future world where billions of people will never have a job because robots are cheaper.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (469 days ago)

I cannot speak for the needs of other countries. I was referring to my own.

I'm sure the people of Rio have needs too. You can buy a cucumber, save the seeds and plant them then sell the new cucumbers when they are fully grown. Everyone needs food. You are just trying to minimilize my idea to make it sound like it's not feasible just because there are some countries where the houses don't have lawns. There are people and companies willing to give micro loans to people willing to start their own small business that doesn't require a lot of capital.

Each country has people with needs and there are people that can fulfill those needs. You can either just sit at home crying about not having a job or you can go out and find something that people need or want and provide that service or product. Maybe you can wash cars, paint houses, walk dogs, babysit, drive the elderly to events, or run an Uber service. At least try something instead of sitting on your ass all day expecting the other people that are working to pay your way through life.

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I cannot speak for the needs of other countries. I was referring to my own.

I'm sure the people of Rio have needs too. You can buy a cucumber, save the seeds and plant them then sell the new cucumbers when they are fully grown. Everyone needs food. You are just trying to minimilize my idea to make it sound like it's not feasible just because there are some countries where the houses don't have lawns. There are people and companies willing to give micro loans to people willing to start their own small business that doesn't require a lot of capital.

Each country has people with needs and there are people that can fulfill those needs. You can either just sit at home crying about not having a job or you can go out and find something that people need or want and provide that service or product. Maybe you can wash cars, paint houses, walk dogs, babysit, drive the elderly to events, or run an Uber service. At least try something instead of sitting on your ass all day expecting the other people that are working to pay your way through life.

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Guest: (468 days ago)
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where do you draw the line? pretty much every new technology in agriculture since the industrial revoluton has made farms larger and less people needed to do it. is that a problem for you?

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where do you draw the line? pretty much every new technology in agriculture since the industrial revoluton has made farms larger and less people needed to do it. is that a problem for you?

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TheBob TheBob (472 days ago)

Louise Mensch somehow seems to have missed Farage rejecting the £350 million to the NHS propaganda LINK

Or is she trying to rewrite history?

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Louise Mensch somehow seems to have missed Farage rejecting the £350 million to the NHS propaganda LINK

Or is she trying to rewrite history?

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Guest: (472 days ago)

It was only Farage who said that 350 figure was a mistake, no other Brexiteers. He also went on to say that if we left the EU, that amount of money would be available to invest into the NHS if that's what the government decided... it's just that it wasn't guaranteed.

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It was only Farage who said that 350 figure was a mistake, no other Brexiteers. He also went on to say that if we left the EU, that amount of money would be available to invest into the NHS if that's what the government decided... it's just that it wasn't guaranteed.

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TheBob TheBob (472 days ago)

Gove seemed to scale it down to £100 million - which is being picked up here by Mensch - and nobody's affirming any plan to spend £350 million per week on the NHS (who could have predicted that!)

I'm not surprised that the "jam tomorrow" is now being translated in to "less jam sometime in the future" I'm just fed up that the people who peddle these half-truths are never held to account.

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Gove seemed to scale it down to £100 million - which is being picked up here by Mensch - and nobody's affirming any plan to spend £350 million per week on the NHS (who could have predicted that!)

I'm not surprised that the "jam tomorrow" is now being translated in to "less jam sometime in the future" I'm just fed up that the people who peddle these half-truths are never held to account.

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