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NATO is not enough, EU needs an army

NATO is not enough, EU needs an army. Jean-Claude Juncker, President of EU Commission (b.1954). More homepage quotes

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Guest: Davymac (449 days ago)

Nato is nothing more than a talking shop, as whilst many might support action being taken, just as many are against it, for financial reasons, therefore, an EU army is pointless.. As for Junker, well, his attitude was one of the major reasons the British voted to leave the EU, for he cannot hide his detestment for the British people.. I hope he dreams on about his wee socialist Utopia of the EU, for that is all it will be - a dream, but to us, it was and will remain a nightmare..

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Nato is nothing more than a talking shop, as whilst many might support action being taken, just as many are against it, for financial reasons, therefore, an EU army is pointless.. As for Junker, well, his attitude was one of the major reasons the British voted to leave the EU, for he cannot hide his detestment for the British people.. I hope he dreams on about his wee socialist Utopia of the EU, for that is all it will be - a dream, but to us, it was and will remain a nightmare..

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (442 days ago)

I agree, especially considering some of Trump's comments about NATO.

An EU army would almost certainly guarantee peace between EU member states. The EU's nuclear deterrent could be supplied by France, but paid for by EU member states.

Each EU member state could focus on a specific area of the military. For example, France and Italy could concentrate on naval power, Germany on air power, Denmark on drones, etc. That way. each country can concentrate on one area and aim to become the best in the world for that speciality. It's good for the country's economy and ego. If properly organised, it would make the EU a formidable fighting force able to take on anyone.

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I agree, especially considering some of Trump's comments about NATO.

An EU army would almost certainly guarantee peace between EU member states. The EU's nuclear deterrent could be supplied by France, but paid for by EU member states.

Each EU member state could focus on a specific area of the military. For example, France and Italy could concentrate on naval power, Germany on air power, Denmark on drones, etc. That way. each country can concentrate on one area and aim to become the best in the world for that speciality. It's good for the country's economy and ego. If properly organised, it would make the EU a formidable fighting force able to take on anyone.

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Guest: (442 days ago)

Bad idea. We have one too many military super powers already.

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Bad idea. We have one too many military super powers already.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (441 days ago)

Current military superpowers are under the control of one nation. US military is controlled by the US, Russian military is controlled by the Russians etc.

An EU military superpower would be controlled by many nations, currently 28. Therefore it is less likely to go rogue.

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Current military superpowers are under the control of one nation. US military is controlled by the US, Russian military is controlled by the Russians etc.

An EU military superpower would be controlled by many nations, currently 28. Therefore it is less likely to go rogue.

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Guest: (441 days ago)

Well, the Americans would be as rouge as ever, "liberating" Middle Eastern states right and left. What happens if you have a sane military superpower taking the other side. I am afraid you are setting the stage for a world war.

Besides, a common military is just another step in the ingegration of the European Union. Remember the United States is a federation of 50 states, and the number of states doesn't seem to improve their descision making skills. In a couple of decades, why would the EU be any better?

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Well, the Americans would be as rouge as ever, "liberating" Middle Eastern states right and left. What happens if you have a sane military superpower taking the other side. I am afraid you are setting the stage for a world war.

Besides, a common military is just another step in the ingegration of the European Union. Remember the United States is a federation of 50 states, and the number of states doesn't seem to improve their descision making skills. In a couple of decades, why would the EU be any better?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (440 days ago)

The US is a federation of 50 states, the EU is a social and economic block of 28 independent and viable countries, each with equal voting power. There is no EU president with executive powers like POTUS.

It is much easier for corporations to buy influence in the US, because they only need to buy US politicians. To influence the EU, corporations need to buy enough governments to sway a vote. That's one reason why there are many substances banned in the EU on grounds of health and safety, but are legal in the US.

We have the bizarre situation where the EU fines Apple 13 billion euros for tax avoidance in Ireland, but Ireland is not keen to accept the money because it would put all their corporate tax avoidance schemes at risk. Apple can buy influence in Ireland, but not the EU.

I think the EU is a good model for economic cooperation between many independent nations. Imagine if the whole world was in the EU.

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The US is a federation of 50 states, the EU is a social and economic block of 28 independent and viable countries, each with equal voting power. There is no EU president with executive powers like POTUS.

It is much easier for corporations to buy influence in the US, because they only need to buy US politicians. To influence the EU, corporations need to buy enough governments to sway a vote. That's one reason why there are many substances banned in the EU on grounds of health and safety, but are legal in the US.

We have the bizarre situation where the EU fines Apple 13 billion euros for tax avoidance in Ireland, but Ireland is not keen to accept the money because it would put all their corporate tax avoidance schemes at risk. Apple can buy influence in Ireland, but not the EU.

I think the EU is a good model for economic cooperation between many independent nations. Imagine if the whole world was in the EU.

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Guest: (440 days ago)

We are en route full integration. Unless the EU unravels completely withinin the next few years, I expect the power structures of the EU and the US to be practically indistinguishable from one another in a couple of decades.

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We are en route full integration. Unless the EU unravels completely withinin the next few years, I expect the power structures of the EU and the US to be practically indistinguishable from one another in a couple of decades.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (440 days ago)

For the EU to become the USE with a similar power structure to the USA, that would require unanimous agreement that is ratified by all 28 member countries. I really can't see that happening any time soon, if ever.

But further integration in some areas makes a lot of sense. I made a case for an integrated EU military. Another example is corporate taxes. Countries compete with each other to attract business. And they often do this by offering low corporate taxes. The losers in this are ordinary people because their social services etc. become under-funded.

If the EU set a minimum corporate tax level, say 40%, then individual EU countries can then compete for business by improving their infrastructure or work force. It would be good for the people of all EU countries that currently have a corporate tax rate lower than 40%.

The EU could go one further and require than any company that trades in the EU (the world's biggest economic block) has to be paying a minimum of 40% corporate tax somewhere in the world. This would then give the perfect reason for every other country in the world to raise their corporate tax to 40% or higher, thereby benefiting their people. If corporations want to make money, then they should contribute to the infrastructure and work forces that allow them to make money in the first place.

The EU is certainly not perfect, and it certainly needs to be more transparent, but as a model for economic cooperation between many independent countries, I think it is much better than trade deals negotiated between corporations and individual governments. I predict that the EU will never pass TTIP because every EU country has a veto.

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For the EU to become the USE with a similar power structure to the USA, that would require unanimous agreement that is ratified by all 28 member countries. I really can't see that happening any time soon, if ever.

But further integration in some areas makes a lot of sense. I made a case for an integrated EU military. Another example is corporate taxes. Countries compete with each other to attract business. And they often do this by offering low corporate taxes. The losers in this are ordinary people because their social services etc. become under-funded.

If the EU set a minimum corporate tax level, say 40%, then individual EU countries can then compete for business by improving their infrastructure or work force. It would be good for the people of all EU countries that currently have a corporate tax rate lower than 40%.

The EU could go one further and require than any company that trades in the EU (the world's biggest economic block) has to be paying a minimum of 40% corporate tax somewhere in the world. This would then give the perfect reason for every other country in the world to raise their corporate tax to 40% or higher, thereby benefiting their people. If corporations want to make money, then they should contribute to the infrastructure and work forces that allow them to make money in the first place.

The EU is certainly not perfect, and it certainly needs to be more transparent, but as a model for economic cooperation between many independent countries, I think it is much better than trade deals negotiated between corporations and individual governments. I predict that the EU will never pass TTIP because every EU country has a veto.

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Guest: (439 days ago)

You don't think your picture of EU is somewhat rosy red. Why would they implement a 40 % corporate tax? I don't think it would fit their neo-liberal agenda.

I predict the EU will pass TTIP hands down. If not I will have to do a full re-evaluation of my world view.

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You don't think your picture of EU is somewhat rosy red. Why would they implement a 40 % corporate tax? I don't think it would fit their neo-liberal agenda.

I predict the EU will pass TTIP hands down. If not I will have to do a full re-evaluation of my world view.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (438 days ago)

France vetoed TTIP in May 2016 and negotiations stopped. LINK I believe negotiations are resuming again, but there are a lot of countries in the EU, and when it comes to trade deals, they all have a veto.

When the Brexit referendum came along, I bothered to find out what the basic structure of the EU is. I just spent a few minutes on Wikipedia. LINK I was surprised how democratic it is considering the nature of the project. In practice, the reality is probably different, but that is the same problem we have with all large powerful organisations - our structures of power tend to have people who crave power, in positions of power. And we all know that power corrupts.

But there are some things about the EU which I think are quite amazing, for example 'freedom of movement'. Libertarians should be coming in their pants. Think about it - any citizen from 28 different countries, can live, study, visit, work, or even doss around in any of those 28 countries. No other block comes even close to giving individuals freedoms like that.

Of course 'freedom of movement' causes problems as well, but as a global aim, I think it's laudable. Imagine if we had freedom of movement for every country in the world. For that to work, the disparity between the richest and poorest countries would have to be smaller than today, and again, as a global aim, that's a good thing.

I think that's the problem with the EU today. It has grown too fast, and the disparity between richest and poorest is too great, so pro-active people from poorer countries move to richer countries and problems are caused. The EU should be investing in Greece, not enforcing austerity. Like a healthy functional family, failing members should be helped and not given-up on, because that way the whole family becomes stronger.

It's a huge subject, so I'll just say that the world is getting smaller, population is growing, and hundreds of millions of people will be moving due to climate change and conflict. Strengthening borders and building walls will only make things worse.

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France vetoed TTIP in May 2016 and negotiations stopped. LINK I believe negotiations are resuming again, but there are a lot of countries in the EU, and when it comes to trade deals, they all have a veto.

When the Brexit referendum came along, I bothered to find out what the basic structure of the EU is. I just spent a few minutes on Wikipedia. LINK I was surprised how democratic it is considering the nature of the project. In practice, the reality is probably different, but that is the same problem we have with all large powerful organisations - our structures of power tend to have people who crave power, in positions of power. And we all know that power corrupts.

But there are some things about the EU which I think are quite amazing, for example 'freedom of movement'. Libertarians should be coming in their pants. Think about it - any citizen from 28 different countries, can live, study, visit, work, or even doss around in any of those 28 countries. No other block comes even close to giving individuals freedoms like that.

Of course 'freedom of movement' causes problems as well, but as a global aim, I think it's laudable. Imagine if we had freedom of movement for every country in the world. For that to work, the disparity between the richest and poorest countries would have to be smaller than today, and again, as a global aim, that's a good thing.

I think that's the problem with the EU today. It has grown too fast, and the disparity between richest and poorest is too great, so pro-active people from poorer countries move to richer countries and problems are caused. The EU should be investing in Greece, not enforcing austerity. Like a healthy functional family, failing members should be helped and not given-up on, because that way the whole family becomes stronger.

It's a huge subject, so I'll just say that the world is getting smaller, population is growing, and hundreds of millions of people will be moving due to climate change and conflict. Strengthening borders and building walls will only make things worse.

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By all means, the EU has positive sides to it as well. Thus far it has been a major stabilizing force in Europe. And it's four freedoms are in principle mainly advantageous (although I suspect the fourth freedom is causing some of the wealth disparity we are seeing). However, if you allow the EU continue it's everlasting integration and concentration of power it is bound to develop into a supernational monstrosity under diminishing democratic control. I think an EU army would be a major step in that direction.

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By all means, the EU has positive sides to it as well. Thus far it has been a major stabilizing force in Europe. And it's four freedoms are in principle mainly advantageous (although I suspect the fourth freedom is causing some of the wealth disparity we are seeing). However, if you allow the EU continue it's everlasting integration and concentration of power it is bound to develop into a supernational monstrosity under diminishing democratic control. I think an EU army would be a major step in that direction.

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Guest: Editor go home! (440 days ago)

NATO is an extended hand of 4th Reich - Germany + US Crouts and Jews from Germany in US. Those people actually got personally rich after NATO usage - Richard Holbrooke, Madlain Albraight, Clintons... just name the scum.

Europe is being currently ****** by its "selective humanitarism", which allows free inflow of blacks and asian moslems. Oh, look, it's Gemany and UK that have millions of those tumors of Europe!

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NATO is an extended hand of 4th Reich - Germany + US Crouts and Jews from Germany in US. Those people actually got personally rich after NATO usage - Richard Holbrooke, Madlain Albraight, Clintons... just name the scum.

Europe is being currently ****** by its "selective humanitarism", which allows free inflow of blacks and asian moslems. Oh, look, it's Gemany and UK that have millions of those tumors of Europe!

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Guest: Editor go home! (440 days ago)

And I don't even count France as Europen country anymore, since French are minority in France and slaves to primitive immgrants. That is country where you have problems going to not being veiled in center of Paris and not repecting shit moslem culture in everyday life.

Dear Mr President of shithole you are presiding - flush your toilet!

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And I don't even count France as Europen country anymore, since French are minority in France and slaves to primitive immgrants. That is country where you have problems going to not being veiled in center of Paris and not repecting shit moslem culture in everyday life.

Dear Mr President of shithole you are presiding - flush your toilet!

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Guest: MB (440 days ago)

whats a moslem is that a bit like Moules marinière with cream?

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whats a moslem is that a bit like Moules marinière with cream?

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