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Nigel Farage vs Gina Miller, the woman who put parliament into Brexit

Nigel Farage vs Gina Miller, the woman who put parliament into Brexit

(4:25) Investment manager Gina Miller, spent her own money to bring the Brexit case to the High Court. The Court ruled in her favour that Prime Minister Theresa May must seek parliamentary approval before triggering Article 50. Andrew Marr Show, November 4, 2016.

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Mesmerelda Mesmerelda (349 days ago)

Nigel Farage is out of his depth.

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Nigel Farage is out of his depth.

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Guest: (347 days ago)

We'll have a general election, and Farage will become prime minister.

The UK is conforming to a global trend back to sovereign nation states. This will lead to short term euphoria, and then to international disagreements and finally to wars. The important word in that sentence is "finally."

Sorry about that.

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We'll have a general election, and Farage will become prime minister.

The UK is conforming to a global trend back to sovereign nation states. This will lead to short term euphoria, and then to international disagreements and finally to wars. The important word in that sentence is "finally."

Sorry about that.

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Guest: noname (347 days ago)

I find it naive to believe that there will never be a war in EU again.
EU is based on economic prosperity; peace will last as long as prosperity.
When it comes to money there is no solidarity in EU, unlike in USA.

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I find it naive to believe that there will never be a war in EU again.
EU is based on economic prosperity; peace will last as long as prosperity.
When it comes to money there is no solidarity in EU, unlike in USA.

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Guest: (347 days ago)

1 thing this week has taught us is that there is no solidarity or unity in the USA. The country is as divided as any time within its history. France and Belgium have more in common with each other than Trump supporters and Clinton supporters. Even the Republican party are hopelessly fragmented now.

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1 thing this week has taught us is that there is no solidarity or unity in the USA. The country is as divided as any time within its history. France and Belgium have more in common with each other than Trump supporters and Clinton supporters. Even the Republican party are hopelessly fragmented now.

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Guest: noname (347 days ago)

Integration of black community is only real problem in USA. It probably won't be solved soon. On state level however, California and New York are willing to pay bills that Kansas can't.
Will France do the same for Greece, Portugal, Bulgaria?

Differences and similarities that you see are superficial.

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Integration of black community is only real problem in USA. It probably won't be solved soon. On state level however, California and New York are willing to pay bills that Kansas can't.
Will France do the same for Greece, Portugal, Bulgaria?

Differences and similarities that you see are superficial.

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Guest: (347 days ago)

There's nothing superficial about the clash of beliefs and values that we see splitting US society right now. It's a total trainwreck. Even beyond politics, integration of all minority communities within the USA (Latinx and Arab too) is at crisis level - otherwise, the hateful and divisive rhetoric of people like Trump would be falling on deaf ears.

And actually, yes, EU countries are regularly forced to bail out 'neighbouring' countries - France famously was adamant that Greece should be bailed out and should remain in the Eurozone, so you picked a bad example. That's one of the reasons why the UK wanted out.

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There's nothing superficial about the clash of beliefs and values that we see splitting US society right now. It's a total trainwreck. Even beyond politics, integration of all minority communities within the USA (Latinx and Arab too) is at crisis level - otherwise, the hateful and divisive rhetoric of people like Trump would be falling on deaf ears.

And actually, yes, EU countries are regularly forced to bail out 'neighbouring' countries - France famously was adamant that Greece should be bailed out and should remain in the Eurozone, so you picked a bad example. That's one of the reasons why the UK wanted out.

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Guest: noname (347 days ago)

A lot of Americans are facing existential problems ( no more money), if any responsible leader bridge the gap between rich and poor (a lot of black people are poor), problems will not be as acute as they are now; so, yes values that you speak of are superficial.

Actually no, California doesn't bail out Kansas; it funds it, every year, for decades. There is no such thing in EU, for that you need fiscal union.
What you have in EU is collectivization of periphery debt through EU bonds, which is not a same thing and doesn't mean that France is giving money to any country, in fact France can't even pay its own bills, so it has to break budget for years, even though it agreed to stop doing that. :)

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A lot of Americans are facing existential problems ( no more money), if any responsible leader bridge the gap between rich and poor (a lot of black people are poor), problems will not be as acute as they are now; so, yes values that you speak of are superficial.

Actually no, California doesn't bail out Kansas; it funds it, every year, for decades. There is no such thing in EU, for that you need fiscal union.
What you have in EU is collectivization of periphery debt through EU bonds, which is not a same thing and doesn't mean that France is giving money to any country, in fact France can't even pay its own bills, so it has to break budget for years, even though it agreed to stop doing that. :)

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Guest: (347 days ago)

When people face existential problems, it brings their personal prejudice to the fore when they are looking for a scapegoat. There is so much division and diversity in the USA and so much prejudice, that when the problems you correctly identify become more prominent, so does the deep-seated hate.

I didn't say California bails out Kansas. You said that "California and New York are willing to pay bills that Kansas can't" and that France doesn't do the same for Greece. I was pointing out that it does, just indirectly - not just through a bail out and bonds, but through gross national income, VAT and import duty contributions that comprise the EU budget. Through these means, France gives significantly more into the EU budget than it receives, while Greece, Bulgaria, Portugal etc. give significantly less than they receive. In this way, the richer countries are constantly and continually paying the bills of the poorer countries. :)

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When people face existential problems, it brings their personal prejudice to the fore when they are looking for a scapegoat. There is so much division and diversity in the USA and so much prejudice, that when the problems you correctly identify become more prominent, so does the deep-seated hate.

I didn't say California bails out Kansas. You said that "California and New York are willing to pay bills that Kansas can't" and that France doesn't do the same for Greece. I was pointing out that it does, just indirectly - not just through a bail out and bonds, but through gross national income, VAT and import duty contributions that comprise the EU budget. Through these means, France gives significantly more into the EU budget than it receives, while Greece, Bulgaria, Portugal etc. give significantly less than they receive. In this way, the richer countries are constantly and continually paying the bills of the poorer countries. :)

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Guest: noname (347 days ago)

Rich states in USA, do everything you said (except US doesn't have VAT, it has sales tax), and then they give some more to states that can't pay. It's more integrated and balanced system.

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Rich states in USA, do everything you said (except US doesn't have VAT, it has sales tax), and then they give some more to states that can't pay. It's more integrated and balanced system.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (346 days ago)

Sales tax stays within the state that collects it. Federal tax gets distributed around the country.

The USA has federal income tax, state income tax, county income tax, city tax, sales tax, property tax, capital gains tax, lottery tax, social security tax, medicare tax, self employment tax, imputed income tax, sin tax, and gas tax. Corporations pay taxes on their profits and when they distribute the profits to the investors, the investors pay taxes on it again.

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Sales tax stays within the state that collects it. Federal tax gets distributed around the country.

The USA has federal income tax, state income tax, county income tax, city tax, sales tax, property tax, capital gains tax, lottery tax, social security tax, medicare tax, self employment tax, imputed income tax, sin tax, and gas tax. Corporations pay taxes on their profits and when they distribute the profits to the investors, the investors pay taxes on it again.

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Guest: (346 days ago)
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Whatever happened to neoliberalism? Ole' Milty would turn in his grave.

I'm sure Trump will shake things up.

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Whatever happened to neoliberalism? Ole' Milty would turn in his grave.

I'm sure Trump will shake things up.

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Guest: (347 days ago)

It's more integrated because it's compulsory. The EU is a voluntary union which is why there is generally more harmony.

Anyway, whether you consider it to be more integrated or balanced system isn't really the point - the fact is, firstly member states of the EU do support each other in similar ways states of the USA do, and secondly and more importantly, the population of the USA remains very divided, socially, culturally, geographically, and now politically, even if state legislation appears to reflect cooperation.

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It's more integrated because it's compulsory. The EU is a voluntary union which is why there is generally more harmony.

Anyway, whether you consider it to be more integrated or balanced system isn't really the point - the fact is, firstly member states of the EU do support each other in similar ways states of the USA do, and secondly and more importantly, the population of the USA remains very divided, socially, culturally, geographically, and now politically, even if state legislation appears to reflect cooperation.

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Guest: noname (346 days ago)

When you say harmony, you mean Brexit, rise of right parties, increase of violence, low rate of intermarriage, problems when large numbers of EU member population move to other EU countries etc, you know staff that matter. ;)

German economy is only thing holding EU together.

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When you say harmony, you mean Brexit, rise of right parties, increase of violence, low rate of intermarriage, problems when large numbers of EU member population move to other EU countries etc, you know staff that matter. ;)

German economy is only thing holding EU together.

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Guest: noname (347 days ago)

Nigel vs Brexit-denier. :)

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Nigel vs Brexit-denier. :)

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