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Tony Blair's mission to change the minds of Brexiteers

Tony Blair's mission to change the minds of Brexiteers

(0:37) Former British prime minister Tony Blair states the clear goal of "Open Britain". February 17, 2017.

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Guest: guesteeee (7 days ago)

Please could he leave Britian. He just does not understand that it was him and his governments policies that have made so many vote for brexit.

He is a complete fool!

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Please could he leave Britian. He just does not understand that it was him and his governments policies that have made so many vote for brexit.

He is a complete fool!

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Guest: Cardinal1709 (6 days ago)

There's an interesting phrase, "attack the man, not the ball". I wonder why it is that so many brexiteers choose this option when your views are challenged. He raises a perfectly sound, rational case. You should meet that case with an equally rational argument for leaving the EU. But you never do, because you know there isn't one to be made. So you always attack the man instead. All it does is reinforce the certain knowledge that you know you've made a terrible miscalculation, and are too blinkered, afraid or hubristic to admit it.

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There's an interesting phrase, "attack the man, not the ball". I wonder why it is that so many brexiteers choose this option when your views are challenged. He raises a perfectly sound, rational case. You should meet that case with an equally rational argument for leaving the EU. But you never do, because you know there isn't one to be made. So you always attack the man instead. All it does is reinforce the certain knowledge that you know you've made a terrible miscalculation, and are too blinkered, afraid or hubristic to admit it.

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Guest: (6 days ago)

There is also a phrase of never assume anything as it makes an ass of you and me!

You assume I voted to leave.

Fact is the majority, however small voted to leave and some of the remainers like Blair cannot or will not accept this, only time will tell if its a mistake or not.

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There is also a phrase of never assume anything as it makes an ass of you and me!

You assume I voted to leave.

Fact is the majority, however small voted to leave and some of the remainers like Blair cannot or will not accept this, only time will tell if its a mistake or not.

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Guest: (6 days ago)

Here is teh perfectly rational case: The public were given a simple choice stay in or get out, nothing inbetween, and people voted accordingly.

The terms are simple ..... people voted to get out, not negotiate with the unelected bureaucrats. If Blair and others now say that the terms were not agreed, then where the F were these people when parliament debated this; where were they when the public debated were going on?

If the public has made a mistake based on "wrong information" then the leaders should resign, if not prosecuted for incompetence.

If there was a revote, I for one would feel even stronger in voting to leave, now that I know that WW3 will not happen, and this time all the "experts" will no longer be predicting an armageddon.

The arrogance that everyone who voted to leave cannot read or write, and voted without thinking, is breathtaking.

Be careful what you wish for. Let's revote, bring it on.

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Here is teh perfectly rational case: The public were given a simple choice stay in or get out, nothing inbetween, and people voted accordingly.

The terms are simple ..... people voted to get out, not negotiate with the unelected bureaucrats. If Blair and others now say that the terms were not agreed, then where the F were these people when parliament debated this; where were they when the public debated were going on?

If the public has made a mistake based on "wrong information" then the leaders should resign, if not prosecuted for incompetence.

If there was a revote, I for one would feel even stronger in voting to leave, now that I know that WW3 will not happen, and this time all the "experts" will no longer be predicting an armageddon.

The arrogance that everyone who voted to leave cannot read or write, and voted without thinking, is breathtaking.

Be careful what you wish for. Let's revote, bring it on.

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Guest: guesttt (6 days ago)

A 'simple' choice you say? It was not 'simple' by any definition... unless youve got information that the rest of voting population didnt have...

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A 'simple' choice you say? It was not 'simple' by any definition... unless youve got information that the rest of voting population didnt have...

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Guest: (4 days ago)

Clearly you didn't see the ballot paper. Yes it was a simple In/Out binary choice, nothing in between. Making a decision may well have been difficult but not the choice

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Clearly you didn't see the ballot paper. Yes it was a simple In/Out binary choice, nothing in between. Making a decision may well have been difficult but not the choice

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Guest: (6 days ago)

What hogwash. People were asked whether they want to be in or out. Even if they want to be out, there are any number of ways that can be achieved. For example, I know many people who voted for Brexit under the assumption that we would still get access to the single market because that was one of the myths touted by the politicians. Those people should have the right to turn down any Brexit that doesn't meet the promises they were made.

Untwist your knickers. No one is saying people who voted out are stupid or "cannot read or write". What a silly strawman argument. In fact, the suggestion seems to be that if people are smart enough to make a decision on whether to leave or not, surely they are smart enough to also make a decision once terms have been reached. Sad you don't seem to think they are.

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What hogwash. People were asked whether they want to be in or out. Even if they want to be out, there are any number of ways that can be achieved. For example, I know many people who voted for Brexit under the assumption that we would still get access to the single market because that was one of the myths touted by the politicians. Those people should have the right to turn down any Brexit that doesn't meet the promises they were made.

Untwist your knickers. No one is saying people who voted out are stupid or "cannot read or write". What a silly strawman argument. In fact, the suggestion seems to be that if people are smart enough to make a decision on whether to leave or not, surely they are smart enough to also make a decision once terms have been reached. Sad you don't seem to think they are.

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Guest: (4 days ago)

"No one is saying"? You’re havin’ a laugh mate. You should get out more often and tune in to the Liberals to hear condescending droning about the “illiterate” people who voted leave.

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"No one is saying"? You’re havin’ a laugh mate. You should get out more often and tune in to the Liberals to hear condescending droning about the “illiterate” people who voted leave.

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Guest: (3 days ago)

Are you seriously complaining about condescension in the same sentence as saying I should get out more? Wowser.

I repeat, no one here has said leave voters were illiterate. They are simply saying that all voters were underinformed, and the information wasn't available us. Leave the strawmen at home and face the issues in this video / comment section.

The vote was never legally binding (as should have been made clear), and while the choice on paper was simple, obviously in practice it is more complicated and the methods of leaving are very varied. A genuine queston - if someone voted leave on the promise that we would still have access to the single market, do they not have a right to oppose any other way of leaving?

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Are you seriously complaining about condescension in the same sentence as saying I should get out more? Wowser.

I repeat, no one here has said leave voters were illiterate. They are simply saying that all voters were underinformed, and the information wasn't available us. Leave the strawmen at home and face the issues in this video / comment section.

The vote was never legally binding (as should have been made clear), and while the choice on paper was simple, obviously in practice it is more complicated and the methods of leaving are very varied. A genuine queston - if someone voted leave on the promise that we would still have access to the single market, do they not have a right to oppose any other way of leaving?

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Guest: (3 days ago)

"I repeat" ... aaah, that makes all the difference to an argument. Maybe use caps, that makes an argument even more compelling

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"I repeat" ... aaah, that makes all the difference to an argument. Maybe use caps, that makes an argument even more compelling

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TheBob TheBob (3 days ago)
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Maybe addressing his point will let others assess the strength of your own argument.

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Maybe addressing his point will let others assess the strength of your own argument.

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Maxwell1956 Maxwell1956 (7 days ago)

.....and if it be the will of the people or consensus to turf you out of the U.K., let it be so.

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.....and if it be the will of the people or consensus to turf you out of the U.K., let it be so.

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Guest: (6 days ago)

Rule of thumb, do exactly the opposite of what Blair reccomends, you can't go wrong

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Rule of thumb, do exactly the opposite of what Blair reccomends, you can't go wrong

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Guest: (6 days ago)

Ad hominem

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Ad hominem

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Guest: (5 days ago)

Blair is no longer a politician, but he gets a lot of work in the countries that make up the EU. Maybe I'm showing my cynicism if I say he sees his gravy train preparing to leave the station without him?

If he was so clued up, why didn't he shout louder about this matter sooner, like before the referendum actually took place. A lot of people I spoke to before the vote felt there was a lack of real information about the possible long-term effects of leaving the EU. However, since nobody has a crystal ball, we're going to have to see how it works out on a 'suck it and see' basis, because nobody really knew, or knows, what will happen until it does.

Whatever happens to this country after we leave the EU, Blair and his family will be more than comfortably off if he never makes another speech in his life. This looks to me like an attempt to bring himself into the limelight again (get the work while it's going?). I hope he is totally ignored and has the decency to slink back into the shadows, his natural environment.

Lastly - I hope his attempts at upsetting a democratic decision isn't his way of stabbing at the Tories. After all, his brand of 'New Labour' was referred to as 'Tory Lite' with good reason.

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Blair is no longer a politician, but he gets a lot of work in the countries that make up the EU. Maybe I'm showing my cynicism if I say he sees his gravy train preparing to leave the station without him?

If he was so clued up, why didn't he shout louder about this matter sooner, like before the referendum actually took place. A lot of people I spoke to before the vote felt there was a lack of real information about the possible long-term effects of leaving the EU. However, since nobody has a crystal ball, we're going to have to see how it works out on a 'suck it and see' basis, because nobody really knew, or knows, what will happen until it does.

Whatever happens to this country after we leave the EU, Blair and his family will be more than comfortably off if he never makes another speech in his life. This looks to me like an attempt to bring himself into the limelight again (get the work while it's going?). I hope he is totally ignored and has the decency to slink back into the shadows, his natural environment.

Lastly - I hope his attempts at upsetting a democratic decision isn't his way of stabbing at the Tories. After all, his brand of 'New Labour' was referred to as 'Tory Lite' with good reason.

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Guest: (6 days ago)

Politicians are judged on everything, who they are, what they did, what they stand for etc. It's not possible to separate man from idea.
It's sad that Remain camp needs Blaire for anything.

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Politicians are judged on everything, who they are, what they did, what they stand for etc. It's not possible to separate man from idea.
It's sad that Remain camp needs Blaire for anything.

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Guest: (5 days ago)

It's utterly ridiculous to assume that because a man made (serious) political mistakes, every opinion he has is invalid. It's entirely possible to "separate man from idea" to anyone interested in ideas rather than populism. No one needs Blair for anything, and no one asked his opinion. That doesn't make him wrong.

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It's utterly ridiculous to assume that because a man made (serious) political mistakes, every opinion he has is invalid. It's entirely possible to "separate man from idea" to anyone interested in ideas rather than populism. No one needs Blair for anything, and no one asked his opinion. That doesn't make him wrong.

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Guest: (5 days ago)

This is where you err:
"to anyone interested in ideas rather than populism"
when people have a bad opinion of some politician, they don't care what he has to say.

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This is where you err:
"to anyone interested in ideas rather than populism"
when people have a bad opinion of some politician, they don't care what he has to say.

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Guest: Mr D Luded (7 days ago)

I believe him !

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I believe him !

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Guest: whatever888 (6 days ago)

Set up a petition for Britain to join the EU following Brexit... thats the answer!

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Set up a petition for Britain to join the EU following Brexit... thats the answer!

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