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Noam Chomsky on US/Russia relations

Noam Chomsky on US/Russia relations

(4:50) Noam Chomsky gives a background to the tensions between the West and Russia in the Ukraine.

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Maxwell1956 Maxwell1956 (255 days ago)

Surface missiles are offensive weapon...NOT a defensive weapon. Would you wait?

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Surface missiles are offensive weapon...NOT a defensive weapon. Would you wait?

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Guest: TheEndIsNear (254 days ago)

The "White" man is the problem! But who is the "White" man? Is he from Britain? Lets expand on the original White man; He is the blue-blooded "Englishman". He is proud of his blood that is made up from almost all the European countries! This makes him "superior" as he has multiple qualities of all. Then this white man made divisions nationally and expressed hatred for the Welsh, Scots and Irish, When the white man went to America, he destroyed the natives and set up a land for the "White" man. The same is true of Canada and Australia. By then, the only distinction remained was one of who just spoke the ENGLISH language.

Now, we can extend the white man to the rest of Europe. (Part of the origin) But the white man has many perceived threats to his existence! The Chinese, the Indians (from India) the Africans and South Americans. All of these people are in far greater numbers and in one generation, they could expand exponentially and leave the "White" man as a very rare species!

The white man has tried to burden all other races, with crippling sanctions, dictators, outright war and sent diseases such as AIDS to impediment their progress. But, there is no way to stop the tsunami of all the "Others". Russia, China and India are all acquiring massive weapons. The Only way for the white man to survive is nuclear holocaust - but in this action there is a possibility of self-annihilation!

The "White" man must reason, that to survive, he must let others survive too. In a nutshell: LET AND LET LIVE!

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The "White" man is the problem! But who is the "White" man? Is he from Britain? Lets expand on the original White man; He is the blue-blooded "Englishman". He is proud of his blood that is made up from almost all the European countries! This makes him "superior" as he has multiple qualities of all. Then this white man made divisions nationally and expressed hatred for the Welsh, Scots and Irish, When the white man went to America, he destroyed the natives and set up a land for the "White" man. The same is true of Canada and Australia. By then, the only distinction remained was one of who just spoke the ENGLISH language.

Now, we can extend the white man to the rest of Europe. (Part of the origin) But the white man has many perceived threats to his existence! The Chinese, the Indians (from India) the Africans and South Americans. All of these people are in far greater numbers and in one generation, they could expand exponentially and leave the "White" man as a very rare species!

The white man has tried to burden all other races, with crippling sanctions, dictators, outright war and sent diseases such as AIDS to impediment their progress. But, there is no way to stop the tsunami of all the "Others". Russia, China and India are all acquiring massive weapons. The Only way for the white man to survive is nuclear holocaust - but in this action there is a possibility of self-annihilation!

The "White" man must reason, that to survive, he must let others survive too. In a nutshell: LET AND LET LIVE!

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Guest: (254 days ago)

I love black racists.so thick they make white racists look like geniuses.

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I love black racists.so thick they make white racists look like geniuses.

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Guest: Alice9 (253 days ago)

Americans have a reputation of being STUPID all across the globe! This has happened due to a generation of watching TV and playing computer games. Can you imagine what 400 years of slavery and no eduction will do to a people. What is your excuse for being stupid?

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Americans have a reputation of being STUPID all across the globe! This has happened due to a generation of watching TV and playing computer games. Can you imagine what 400 years of slavery and no eduction will do to a people. What is your excuse for being stupid?

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Guest: (254 days ago)

Oppression narratives like this fail at understanding basic set theory - LINK

Think of venn diagrams from school - set A intersects with set B etc.

Expanding the set of 'white man' to encapsulate the entire set 'colonialists' not only demonstrates a failure at understanding basic set theory but also demonstrates a profound lack of awareness of societal structures throughout history.

In short narratives like this only demonstrate the authors prejudices because they're attributing to entire groups qualities that only apply to subsets of that group.

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Oppression narratives like this fail at understanding basic set theory - LINK

Think of venn diagrams from school - set A intersects with set B etc.

Expanding the set of 'white man' to encapsulate the entire set 'colonialists' not only demonstrates a failure at understanding basic set theory but also demonstrates a profound lack of awareness of societal structures throughout history.

In short narratives like this only demonstrate the authors prejudices because they're attributing to entire groups qualities that only apply to subsets of that group.

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TheBob TheBob (254 days ago)

They also fail at understanding basic colour theory LINK

The basic colour "white" man is actually made up of all colours (R+G+B), so colonial "whites" are actually colonials of all colours.

These narratives also demonstrate the author's prejudices because they're not acknowledging the polychromatic nature of white and white men.

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They also fail at understanding basic colour theory LINK

The basic colour "white" man is actually made up of all colours (R+G+B), so colonial "whites" are actually colonials of all colours.

These narratives also demonstrate the author's prejudices because they're not acknowledging the polychromatic nature of white and white men.

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Guest: TheEndIsNear (254 days ago)

I agree with both the comments made to this. I think I failed to point out that the "White man" in this commentary is the "establishment" . The people living in these (White) lands are instructed NOT to be racist and they abide by these rules. Probably too much, due to being PC! Nonetheless, the Policies (of the white man) have been in motion and continue to the detriment of the "others". There is no outcry because "Made in USA" armaments are killing 100's of brown people on a daily basis, while we express furore over a few of our people killed by them (terrorists). which leads to the legitimising of the war efforts in brown people lands!

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I agree with both the comments made to this. I think I failed to point out that the "White man" in this commentary is the "establishment" . The people living in these (White) lands are instructed NOT to be racist and they abide by these rules. Probably too much, due to being PC! Nonetheless, the Policies (of the white man) have been in motion and continue to the detriment of the "others". There is no outcry because "Made in USA" armaments are killing 100's of brown people on a daily basis, while we express furore over a few of our people killed by them (terrorists). which leads to the legitimising of the war efforts in brown people lands!

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I am increasingly convinced that certain commentators come on here to voice deliberately controversial opinions - sometimes quite obscure and rare controversial opinions. Most of the time I question whether the person writing genuinely believes what they say. I suppose it encourages debate, increases repeat visits, and probably affects advertising revenue. What I don't know is to what extent it is orchestrated by BoreMe or happens more organically.

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BoreMeEditor BoreMeEditor (253 days ago)

BoreMe does not "orchestrate" any comments. We are also surprised at the direction comments sometimes go.

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Guest: (253 days ago)

That isn't a problem unique to boreme.

Most people are aware of the Russian troll factory expose (which language do you think they operate in?).

I'm sure many other groups do the same, whether for advertising revenue or ideology.

It's a flaw with the internet that individual perspectives can be made to appear part of larger groups.

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Who exactly goes online to repeat propaganda catchphrases? Machines do.

The answer is to put identity at the heart of the internet.

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A huge stock market crash is required to correct the current power imbalances.

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That isn't a problem unique to boreme.

Most people are aware of the Russian troll factory expose (which language do you think they operate in?).

I'm sure many other groups do the same, whether for advertising revenue or ideology.

It's a flaw with the internet that individual perspectives can be made to appear part of larger groups.

I remember during the occupy wall street protests I posted a flippant comment here on boreme.

It was a facetious piece of code:

throw new SystemException('occu py');

I thought little of it.

When I returned to the comment it was replied to by thousands of computer generated nonsense replies.

That was 2008.

Make no mistake, manipulation of text based discussions has become common place.

People are responsive to group biases. Fabricating group responses is a tool of power.

Unfortunately manufactured group responses are quite obvious.

Who exactly goes online to repeat propaganda catchphrases? Machines do.

The answer is to put identity at the heart of the internet.

But until internet monopolies are forced to accept market economics that isn't going to happen.

A huge stock market crash is required to correct the current power imbalances.

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Guest: (253 days ago)

I don't think the rationale behind "Made in USA" armaments killing 100's of brown people on a daily basis is clear.

There well may be a clique of individuals responsible but I fear the truth is far more complex and opaque.

From were I sit behind my laptop, eager to explore alternative perspectives, all I see is world governed by group think, and history books the result of the same.

I don't know what is true. The more I investigate truth, the more I become open to belief. Faith, belief, truth. These words mean the same thing me now.

Surely humanity has been seeking truth ever since... forever? Conflicts result from irreconcilable differences in... belief?

Look at the CIA reports about Russian hacking the US election. The phrases 'we think', 'we believe', 'maybe responsible' etc. dominate. Is this how powerful groups have always made decisions? I don't know.

In all this confusion I cling to one simple idea - the world is full of people interpreting the world in the way they know how to.

So if injustices result the culprit is... belief in the truth.

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I don't think the rationale behind "Made in USA" armaments killing 100's of brown people on a daily basis is clear.

There well may be a clique of individuals responsible but I fear the truth is far more complex and opaque.

From were I sit behind my laptop, eager to explore alternative perspectives, all I see is world governed by group think, and history books the result of the same.

I don't know what is true. The more I investigate truth, the more I become open to belief. Faith, belief, truth. These words mean the same thing me now.

Surely humanity has been seeking truth ever since... forever? Conflicts result from irreconcilable differences in... belief?

Look at the CIA reports about Russian hacking the US election. The phrases 'we think', 'we believe', 'maybe responsible' etc. dominate. Is this how powerful groups have always made decisions? I don't know.

In all this confusion I cling to one simple idea - the world is full of people interpreting the world in the way they know how to.

So if injustices result the culprit is... belief in the truth.

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Guest: Sally-B (253 days ago)
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The whole World knows that the US is responsible for controlling, overpowering and maintaining countries to follow what we say or else! How many governments we have overthrown and how many dictators we have replaced them with. With over 2,000 bases and millions of soldiers across the planet, do you seriously really believe we can still be considered as the good guys and threaten no one? Nonetheless, it is still brown people who die, whoever we support.

After 9/11 we were going to go after Iraq, in stead we went for 1600 guys in Afghanistan ended up killing 10's of thousands of Afghan civilians (and still continue) then we went to Iraq after an Al-Qa'ida that was never there, destroyed their nation and slid into Syria, Yemen and Somalia. Result: millions dead, millions homeless, nations destroyed - this kind of damage no terrorist can even dream of causing such havoc, carnage and holocaust. Can history call us anything except those who decimated the population of the World - especially brown people! And THERE IS MORE TO COME, AS WE AIN'T DONE YET!!!

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Latest comment:

The whole World knows that the US is responsible for controlling, overpowering and maintaining countries to follow what we say or else! How many governments we have overthrown and how many dictators we have replaced them with. With over 2,000 bases and millions of soldiers across the planet, do you seriously really believe we can still be considered as the good guys and threaten no one? Nonetheless, it is still brown people who die, whoever we support.

After 9/11 we were going to go after Iraq, in stead we went for 1600 guys in Afghanistan ended up killing 10's of thousands of Afghan civilians (and still continue) then we went to Iraq after an Al-Qa'ida that was never there, destroyed their nation and slid into Syria, Yemen and Somalia. Result: millions dead, millions homeless, nations destroyed - this kind of damage no terrorist can even dream of causing such havoc, carnage and holocaust. Can history call us anything except those who decimated the population of the World - especially brown people! And THERE IS MORE TO COME, AS WE AIN'T DONE YET!!!

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Guest: (255 days ago)

There is one option suggested by George Friedman, that USA is trying to resurrect Polish commonwealth as barrier between Europe and Russia, with Ukraine, Belorussia and Baltic republics as big part of it.

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There is one option suggested by George Friedman, that USA is trying to resurrect Polish commonwealth as barrier between Europe and Russia, with Ukraine, Belorussia and Baltic republics as big part of it.

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