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How powerful is political satire?

How powerful is political satire?

(6:54) Political satirists like Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and Seth Meyers have demonstrated how comedy can be a powerful antidote to bullshit. youtube.com/user/voxdotcom

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Guest: (319 days ago)

Gee, who triggered Mad again? 4 comments in 5 minutes? He's way too easy to upset.

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Gee, who triggered Mad again? 4 comments in 5 minutes? He's way too easy to upset.

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Guest: Real mad (319 days ago)

Just an indicator of how much time and effort I put into these comments (Basically bugger all). The occasional spelling error is thus explained.

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Just an indicator of how much time and effort I put into these comments (Basically bugger all). The occasional spelling error is thus explained.

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Guest: (319 days ago)

Good joke! You're the most obsessive commenter here. No effort and time, you say? You practically flood every video with your comments, sometimes coming back 3 or 4 times to reply to the same comment!

You're a real BoreMe fanatic. It's appreciated.

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Good joke! You're the most obsessive commenter here. No effort and time, you say? You practically flood every video with your comments, sometimes coming back 3 or 4 times to reply to the same comment!

You're a real BoreMe fanatic. It's appreciated.

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Guest: Real mad (319 days ago)

Not every comment purporting to be me is me.

I do get imitated (badly) quite often. For example the above comment wasn't me

Btw variations on a theme

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Not every comment purporting to be me is me.

I do get imitated (badly) quite often. For example the above comment wasn't me

Btw variations on a theme

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Guest: (319 days ago)

The theme being denial or excuse making? 5 comments in 4 minutes. Wowser. Methinks someone needs a hobby.

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The theme being denial or excuse making? 5 comments in 4 minutes. Wowser. Methinks someone needs a hobby.

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Guest: Real mad (319 days ago)

5 mins spent slapping down Libtards can hardly be described as excessive.

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5 mins spent slapping down Libtards can hardly be described as excessive.

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Guest: (318 days ago)
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But 5 minutes in which you write 4 frenetic and irate messages on the same thread, without anyone else replying in between, could very well be described as obsessive, especially when this is repeated time and time again, at all hours of the day. It tends to be when someone has triggered you, but that's seems to be most of the time these days.

Anyway, I'm not criticising. I think it's wonderful that you dedicate this time to encouraging traffic here.

Also highly amusing that you currently think everyone is Bob. When it's Walter thrashing you, you think everyone is Walter. Barking at shadows again. It can't be fun being you.

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But 5 minutes in which you write 4 frenetic and irate messages on the same thread, without anyone else replying in between, could very well be described as obsessive, especially when this is repeated time and time again, at all hours of the day. It tends to be when someone has triggered you, but that's seems to be most of the time these days.

Anyway, I'm not criticising. I think it's wonderful that you dedicate this time to encouraging traffic here.

Also highly amusing that you currently think everyone is Bob. When it's Walter thrashing you, you think everyone is Walter. Barking at shadows again. It can't be fun being you.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (322 days ago)

Except they are only preaching only to the converted, and those numbers are dwindling. Crying wolf all the time numbs the message.

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Except they are only preaching only to the converted, and those numbers are dwindling. Crying wolf all the time numbs the message.

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TheBob TheBob (322 days ago)

1) They preach not only to the converted - they could get some waverers on board. Besides which, they're entertaining -

2) What evidence can you show that " those numbers are dwindling "?

3) Please give three examples of who is " Crying wolf all the time "

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1) They preach not only to the converted - they could get some waverers on board. Besides which, they're entertaining -

2) What evidence can you show that " those numbers are dwindling "?

3) Please give three examples of who is " Crying wolf all the time "

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Guest: Rachel madcow (322 days ago)

This is the era of "take news". People are switching off, ratings are dropping.

Just not happening.

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This is the era of "take news". People are switching off, ratings are dropping.

Just not happening.

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TheBob TheBob (322 days ago)

Where can we see these ratings dropping off?

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Where can we see these ratings dropping off?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (322 days ago)

Look them up,.quite easy to do. The demographic of the average viewer is old and dying, youngsters have better things to do.

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Look them up,.quite easy to do. The demographic of the average viewer is old and dying, youngsters have better things to do.

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TheBob TheBob (322 days ago)

You mean the average viewer is in their 70's 80's and this portion of the population is dying? I find it hard to believe the average viewer is so old. Where are you getting your stats from?

When I google something like "John Oliver ratings" most articles seem to indicate his ratings are increasing like this one from Forbes: it appears to undermine your assertion LINK

Please point me to the stats you are looking at so we can compare.

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You mean the average viewer is in their 70's 80's and this portion of the population is dying? I find it hard to believe the average viewer is so old. Where are you getting your stats from?

When I google something like "John Oliver ratings" most articles seem to indicate his ratings are increasing like this one from Forbes: it appears to undermine your assertion LINK

Please point me to the stats you are looking at so we can compare.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (322 days ago)

Short term vs long term Bob, besides who believes polls ?. As a reflective pollster recently said, only old people have house phones nowadays.

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Short term vs long term Bob, besides who believes polls ?. As a reflective pollster recently said, only old people have house phones nowadays.

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TheBob TheBob (322 days ago)

As Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."

It looks like you can't show us any stats or links to support your assertions.

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As Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."

It looks like you can't show us any stats or links to support your assertions.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (321 days ago)

Television viewing figures are compiled by the same people that have been getting all the elections predictions wrong.

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Television viewing figures are compiled by the same people that have been getting all the elections predictions wrong.

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TheBob TheBob (321 days ago)

So when you said, "People are switching off, ratings are dropping," were you using stats compiled by "the same people that have been getting all the elections predictions wrong"?

Or were you using some more reliable stats?

Or did you just make it up?

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So when you said, "People are switching off, ratings are dropping," were you using stats compiled by "the same people that have been getting all the elections predictions wrong"?

Or were you using some more reliable stats?

Or did you just make it up?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (321 days ago)

Just applying a bit of common sense Bob, more competition means lower ratings. People really do have better things to do, even if you don't.

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Just applying a bit of common sense Bob, more competition means lower ratings. People really do have better things to do, even if you don't.

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Guest: (321 days ago)

If you apply the same logic to the internet, it would be fair to say that the amount of webpages would be decreasing, and that the content would also be reducing – due to competition. Statistically (I'M MAKING THIS UP, because I don't want to believe any evidence) you must be right, apparently by next year there will only be 2 websites left - look up the evidence - it's easy to do. [I make a claim, insult the other person, then state that you shouldn't believe what you find... repeat until the other person gives up – argument won!]

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If you apply the same logic to the internet, it would be fair to say that the amount of webpages would be decreasing, and that the content would also be reducing – due to competition. Statistically (I'M MAKING THIS UP, because I don't want to believe any evidence) you must be right, apparently by next year there will only be 2 websites left - look up the evidence - it's easy to do. [I make a claim, insult the other person, then state that you shouldn't believe what you find... repeat until the other person gives up – argument won!]

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Guest: Rachel madcow (321 days ago)

Dear me that made no sense whatsoever,

But the days of limited choice in evening entertainment are long gone.

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Dear me that made no sense whatsoever,

But the days of limited choice in evening entertainment are long gone.

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TheBob TheBob (321 days ago)

OK Rachel, you are obviously either unwilling or unable to provide any evidence to support your bald assertion that "people are switching off, ratings are dropping." We acknowledge your inability to back up your statement. There's no need to get snarky.

Let's look at your next point, "Crying wolf all the time numbs the message." As a global statement it's verging on a truism (if we change "numbs the message" to "numbs the recipient of the message."). Being more specific, when you wrote that, were you referring to the political satirists featured in the video?

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OK Rachel, you are obviously either unwilling or unable to provide any evidence to support your bald assertion that "people are switching off, ratings are dropping." We acknowledge your inability to back up your statement. There's no need to get snarky.

Let's look at your next point, "Crying wolf all the time numbs the message." As a global statement it's verging on a truism (if we change "numbs the message" to "numbs the recipient of the message."). Being more specific, when you wrote that, were you referring to the political satirists featured in the video?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (321 days ago)

Apart from those recent elections, where throwing the kitchen sink at the Donald failed miserably. Seems to me that you are suffering from denial of the facts.

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Apart from those recent elections, where throwing the kitchen sink at the Donald failed miserably. Seems to me that you are suffering from denial of the facts.

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TheBob TheBob (321 days ago)

No need to go off on a tangent - I'm simply trying to clarify your statements.

When you wrote, "Crying wolf all the time numbs the message," were you referring to the political satirists featured in the video?

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No need to go off on a tangent - I'm simply trying to clarify your statements.

When you wrote, "Crying wolf all the time numbs the message," were you referring to the political satirists featured in the video?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Poor Bob, I know you need to stick to your narrow blinkered worldview but unfortunately the real world moves on, the contrived left wing "satire" attack is being ignored, after what can compete with the reality of the daily outpourings from the loony left ?

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Poor Bob, I know you need to stick to your narrow blinkered worldview but unfortunately the real world moves on, the contrived left wing "satire" attack is being ignored, after what can compete with the reality of the daily outpourings from the loony left ?

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Oh dear, "Rachel". Yet again we see how the alt-right are all mouth and no trousers: trying to appear like they have something to contribute but then being unable to back it up with anything of substance.

You had your chance but failed again to demonstrate you had anything intelligent to say, merely reverting to your tired jibes and insults.

Yes, Trump won. Yes, Brexit is going ahead and yes, I'm sad about that because I don't think either of those events will increase the general good in the world.

Trump will be able to look back and say, "Didn't I make a lot of money!" And you'll be able to look back and say, "Tee hee - didn't I annoy and insult a lot of people!"

What a sad way to spend your life.

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Oh dear, "Rachel". Yet again we see how the alt-right are all mouth and no trousers: trying to appear like they have something to contribute but then being unable to back it up with anything of substance.

You had your chance but failed again to demonstrate you had anything intelligent to say, merely reverting to your tired jibes and insults.

Yes, Trump won. Yes, Brexit is going ahead and yes, I'm sad about that because I don't think either of those events will increase the general good in the world.

Trump will be able to look back and say, "Didn't I make a lot of money!" And you'll be able to look back and say, "Tee hee - didn't I annoy and insult a lot of people!"

What a sad way to spend your life.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Bob, there is this thing called Empirical evidence. Now despite the media relentlessly trying every satirical and ridicule trick at they can think of continuously for the last year on Trump, he won the election.

Thus the empirical evidence suggests that this form of attack is no longer effective for the left, the public has become so used to it, they just ignore it.

But don't let that stop you doubling down and insisting this is the way to go, after all isn't that what the idiot left are famous for, deluding themselves that they will get it right this time.

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Bob, there is this thing called Empirical evidence. Now despite the media relentlessly trying every satirical and ridicule trick at they can think of continuously for the last year on Trump, he won the election.

Thus the empirical evidence suggests that this form of attack is no longer effective for the left, the public has become so used to it, they just ignore it.

But don't let that stop you doubling down and insisting this is the way to go, after all isn't that what the idiot left are famous for, deluding themselves that they will get it right this time.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Yes, there IS this thing called empirical evidence which you failed to show when making bald assertions about falling ratings. Put up or shut up.

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Yes, there IS this thing called empirical evidence which you failed to show when making bald assertions about falling ratings. Put up or shut up.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Oh and Bob, you need to learn to distinguish between Europe and the EU. I like Europe but the EU is just a kleptocracy which only serves the pig troughers. Europe would be better without it.

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Oh and Bob, you need to learn to distinguish between Europe and the EU. I like Europe but the EU is just a kleptocracy which only serves the pig troughers. Europe would be better without it.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Oh and "Rachel", you need to stop making stuff up. Where did I fail to distinguish between Europe and the EU?

And it's a bit rich for a Trump supporter to go on about a kleptocracy. Pot calling kettle.

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Oh and "Rachel", you need to stop making stuff up. Where did I fail to distinguish between Europe and the EU?

And it's a bit rich for a Trump supporter to go on about a kleptocracy. Pot calling kettle.

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Guest: (320 days ago)

Bob, as far as I can see, there are only 3 possibilities about Real Mad:

He is either genuinely as ignorant and simple-minded as he makes out

OR he is a shill being incentivised to tout ooh-so-controversial silly opinions

OR he a troll who doesn't believe what he's saying but thrives on the attention and winding people up.

Which of those do you think is worth debating with? You know he can't reason with you, you know he won't justify his assumptions, and you definitely know all the insults he has.

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Bob, as far as I can see, there are only 3 possibilities about Real Mad:

He is either genuinely as ignorant and simple-minded as he makes out

OR he is a shill being incentivised to tout ooh-so-controversial silly opinions

OR he a troll who doesn't believe what he's saying but thrives on the attention and winding people up.

Which of those do you think is worth debating with? You know he can't reason with you, you know he won't justify his assumptions, and you definitely know all the insults he has.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Look everyone

Bob the backward has lost another argument ..... Yet again.h

I know , why not write anonymous" supporting comment to try and salvage something !!!.

Oh I see he already has !!

Hi Bob !!!, Say hi to Walter from me !!!

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Look everyone

Bob the backward has lost another argument ..... Yet again.h

I know , why not write anonymous" supporting comment to try and salvage something !!!.

Oh I see he already has !!

Hi Bob !!!, Say hi to Walter from me !!!

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Guest: (320 days ago)

Just imagine if I wasn't Bob!

That would make you look very stupid indeed to at least two of us, right?

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Just imagine if I wasn't Bob!

That would make you look very stupid indeed to at least two of us, right?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Anonymous support troll aways turns up when the resident liberal gets arse whipped,so I'm guessing you're related.

So tell me, what triggers your arrival ?, Is it when Walter or Bob throw themselves at the floor and start chewing the carpet ?.

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Anonymous support troll aways turns up when the resident liberal gets arse whipped,so I'm guessing you're related.

So tell me, what triggers your arrival ?, Is it when Walter or Bob throw themselves at the floor and start chewing the carpet ?.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

My god, Holmes, how do you do it? You've added 2 + 2 and come up with 0

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My god, Holmes, how do you do it? You've added 2 + 2 and come up with 0

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Guest: Rachel madcow (319 days ago)

Hello Bob, did have fun being fitted with that special helmet ?

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Hello Bob, did have fun being fitted with that special helmet ?

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Dear oh dear. Where to start?

First I am not Guest or Walter, but I don't expect you to believe that. Truth does not seem to fit your conceptual framework.

Second, I haven't lost an argument because you've refused to engage with one - you've merely made bald assertions that do not stand up to any scrutiny and then started throwing insults. Wow, what a "congent" argument you can generate.

Third, I'm repeatedly astonished at your brass neck (or lack of awareness) when you falsely condemn people for the behaviours you demonstrate yourself.

If you genuinely have the will or ability to engage in an aurgument, bring it on, but otherwise please stop smearing your Breitbart shit all over the walls and thinking you're clever because you annoy people.

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Dear oh dear. Where to start?

First I am not Guest or Walter, but I don't expect you to believe that. Truth does not seem to fit your conceptual framework.

Second, I haven't lost an argument because you've refused to engage with one - you've merely made bald assertions that do not stand up to any scrutiny and then started throwing insults. Wow, what a "congent" argument you can generate.

Third, I'm repeatedly astonished at your brass neck (or lack of awareness) when you falsely condemn people for the behaviours you demonstrate yourself.

If you genuinely have the will or ability to engage in an aurgument, bring it on, but otherwise please stop smearing your Breitbart shit all over the walls and thinking you're clever because you annoy people.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (319 days ago)

What's that you say retard boy.

Let us know when the EU finds a accountancy company prepared to sign off the accounts for the last 20 years. Now that's a kleptocracy !!!!

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What's that you say retard boy.

Let us know when the EU finds a accountancy company prepared to sign off the accounts for the last 20 years. Now that's a kleptocracy !!!!

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Poor old Bob, living in his fantasy world, but empiricalism rules, and the left has shot it's bolt.

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Poor old Bob, living in his fantasy world, but empiricalism rules, and the left has shot it's bolt.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

"Empiricalism"? Is that another of your "Doctorates"? Show us your Ph.D in "Congent Empiricalism"

Bowl us all over with your correct use of apostrophes - oops, no, that was autocorrect wasn't it?

Let me pre-empt you here: "Oh you can always see when the leftards are losing an argument because they nitpick about someone's spelling or grammar"

Well you can always see when when someone is full of bullshit when they pretend to have an intellect, yet constantly make schoolboy mistakes.

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"Empiricalism"? Is that another of your "Doctorates"? Show us your Ph.D in "Congent Empiricalism"

Bowl us all over with your correct use of apostrophes - oops, no, that was autocorrect wasn't it?

Let me pre-empt you here: "Oh you can always see when the leftards are losing an argument because they nitpick about someone's spelling or grammar"

Well you can always see when when someone is full of bullshit when they pretend to have an intellect, yet constantly make schoolboy mistakes.

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Guest: (320 days ago)

I wonder if you realise how utterly ridiculous it sounds when you refer to someone you are talking to in the 3rd person. It's like you're talking to an imaginary friend and you want us to over-hear.

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I wonder if you realise how utterly ridiculous it sounds when you refer to someone you are talking to in the 3rd person. It's like you're talking to an imaginary friend and you want us to over-hear.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Do you know how stupid and backward you look when you keep on denying reality Bob ?. Playing to the galleries draws attention to it.

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Do you know how stupid and backward you look when you keep on denying reality Bob ?. Playing to the galleries draws attention to it.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Projecting again.

Oh, sorry, let me put it in terms you can understand.

Projecting again!!!!!!!

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Projecting again.

Oh, sorry, let me put it in terms you can understand.

Projecting again!!!!!!!

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Guest: (320 days ago)

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no gallery that supports you.

And do you realise that 'playing to the gallery' is a negative phrase, meaning to avoid the real issues and say things you think will get people to like you?

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Sorry to break it to you, but there is no gallery that supports you.

And do you realise that 'playing to the gallery' is a negative phrase, meaning to avoid the real issues and say things you think will get people to like you?

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Yes I know there is only one of you Bob.

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Yes I know there is only one of you Bob.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Well, if you know there's only one of me, why did you say there were two?

Jeez, alt-right logic. No wonder they voted in a moron.

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Well, if you know there's only one of me, why did you say there were two?

Jeez, alt-right logic. No wonder they voted in a moron.

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Guest: (320 days ago)

So much for a liberal echo-chamber circle-jerk. I guess you were wrong. It's all just Bob, on his own.

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So much for a liberal echo-chamber circle-jerk. I guess you were wrong. It's all just Bob, on his own.

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Guest: Rachel madcow (320 days ago)

Logic is only an option of the left I see

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Logic is only an option of the left I see

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

Sadly logic doesn't seem to be any option for the alt-right. Just insults, low intellect, casual racism, lack of attention to detail and use of multiple identities to make believe they're more popular than they really are.

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Sadly logic doesn't seem to be any option for the alt-right. Just insults, low intellect, casual racism, lack of attention to detail and use of multiple identities to make believe they're more popular than they really are.

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Guest: (320 days ago)

Don't forget upvoting their own comments.

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Don't forget upvoting their own comments.

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TheBob TheBob (320 days ago)

and upvoting their own comments. (Thanks for the reminder)

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and upvoting their own comments. (Thanks for the reminder)

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Guest: Rachel madcow (319 days ago)

People have noticed how much Bob likes chatting to himself, and heres the proof.

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People have noticed how much Bob likes chatting to himself, and heres the proof.

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"People", i.e. Real Mad, Rachel Madcow, Smee, Getafix, Libtards Are Dumb, and all your other friends?

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"People", i.e. Real Mad, Rachel Madcow, Smee, Getafix, Libtards Are Dumb, and all your other friends?

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Ace7 Ace7 (322 days ago)

Boom!

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Boom!

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