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TEDtalks - There is no way back for religion in the West

TEDtalks - There is no way back for religion in the West

(15:53) Quantitative social scientist David Voas argues that society is being transformed, religion is in decline, and the momentum is unstoppable.

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Guest: (206 days ago)

It depends what how you define religion. Nowadays, there is Sunday assembly for atheists and you constantly find them online evangelically promoting their views, spewing out dogma that they don't bother questioning. Personally, I don't believe religion is going anywhere anytime soon - it's just new religions like New Atheism will come along to control people.

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It depends what how you define religion. Nowadays, there is Sunday assembly for atheists and you constantly find them online evangelically promoting their views, spewing out dogma that they don't bother questioning. Personally, I don't believe religion is going anywhere anytime soon - it's just new religions like New Atheism will come along to control people.

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (205 days ago)

Atheism is not a religion. It is simply having no reason to believe that god actually exists. You wouldn't call "not believing the Loch Ness Monster actually exists" a religion, would you?

New atheists can act religiously, but that's because they are passionate. No one cares enough about the Loch Ness Monster to cause a commotion, but when it comes to organised religions, that's a different story. Many people don't like being "organised" or told what to think based on ancient documents. They are not that gullible. I get that. This is 2017 FFS!

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Atheism is not a religion. It is simply having no reason to believe that god actually exists. You wouldn't call "not believing the Loch Ness Monster actually exists" a religion, would you?

New atheists can act religiously, but that's because they are passionate. No one cares enough about the Loch Ness Monster to cause a commotion, but when it comes to organised religions, that's a different story. Many people don't like being "organised" or told what to think based on ancient documents. They are not that gullible. I get that. This is 2017 FFS!

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Guest: (205 days ago)

I understand you don't like the comparison, so it's a shame that atheism has never been more comparable to religion,

Tell you what, I'll call 'Not Believing in the L-N Monster' a religion, if and when believers (in no monster) are organised into groups, accept dogma without question, define themselves by that belief, meet to discuss their belief, listen to speakers and read books about their belief, and evangelically spread their word to anyone who disagrees. Fair?

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I understand you don't like the comparison, so it's a shame that atheism has never been more comparable to religion,

Tell you what, I'll call 'Not Believing in the L-N Monster' a religion, if and when believers (in no monster) are organised into groups, accept dogma without question, define themselves by that belief, meet to discuss their belief, listen to speakers and read books about their belief, and evangelically spread their word to anyone who disagrees. Fair?

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Guest: (205 days ago)

... But by the way, that's a very interesting comparison, I like it. When you compare how non-believers in the Loch Ness Monster behave compared to how non-believers in god(s) behave (including yourself), then you can see what I'm getting at. Religion isn't just for theists, apparently.

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... But by the way, that's a very interesting comparison, I like it. When you compare how non-believers in the Loch Ness Monster behave compared to how non-believers in god(s) behave (including yourself), then you can see what I'm getting at. Religion isn't just for theists, apparently.

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iknowlessthanyoudo iknowlessthanyoudo (204 days ago)

Religion may lose appeal when economies prosper, but Baghdadi's Raqqa and Hitler's Reichstag proved that preaching hatred and superiority is wildly popular when economies suffer.

Why is NATO averse to repeating the successful imposition of Marshal Law during the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WWII to prevent continual relapse into hatred in the Middle-East? Covering depleted soils with solar panels, installing desalinization plants and imposing Marshall law over the economy, education and elections for 20 years might be less costly than forever sending MOABs, Tomahawks and Special Forces.

Are profit motives of the military-industrial complex driving foreign policy?

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Religion may lose appeal when economies prosper, but Baghdadi's Raqqa and Hitler's Reichstag proved that preaching hatred and superiority is wildly popular when economies suffer.

Why is NATO averse to repeating the successful imposition of Marshal Law during the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WWII to prevent continual relapse into hatred in the Middle-East? Covering depleted soils with solar panels, installing desalinization plants and imposing Marshall law over the economy, education and elections for 20 years might be less costly than forever sending MOABs, Tomahawks and Special Forces.

Are profit motives of the military-industrial complex driving foreign policy?

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Guest: (200 days ago)

I assume you mean the Marshall plan as opposed to actual martial law?

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I assume you mean the Marshall plan as opposed to actual martial law?

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Bit if a mix up martial vs Marshal, but whatever. The idea is that "we" should invade these countries and impose nation-building on them for a generation or two, then leave. I can see a lot of things going wrong with that plan, but it has its good points too.

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Bit if a mix up martial vs Marshal, but whatever. The idea is that "we" should invade these countries and impose nation-building on them for a generation or two, then leave. I can see a lot of things going wrong with that plan, but it has its good points too.

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Guest: (205 days ago)

Not so sure about religion giving one purpose. At least in Christianity, people say things like, "God has a plan for me," but follow it with "God moves in mysterious ways." In other words, I may have a purpose but I can't possibly know what it is, since I can't know the mind of God. That's "having a purpose" in the same sense that I can "own" a star in another galaxy if I pay a fee to a certain star-selling company on Earth.

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Not so sure about religion giving one purpose. At least in Christianity, people say things like, "God has a plan for me," but follow it with "God moves in mysterious ways." In other words, I may have a purpose but I can't possibly know what it is, since I can't know the mind of God. That's "having a purpose" in the same sense that I can "own" a star in another galaxy if I pay a fee to a certain star-selling company on Earth.

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Guest: Drumbeat (202 days ago)

I wish he was right but I do not see religions giving up so easy. Especially those who are political and have teachings the very opposite of "do unto others as you would have they do unto you".

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I wish he was right but I do not see religions giving up so easy. Especially those who are political and have teachings the very opposite of "do unto others as you would have they do unto you".

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Maxwell1956 Maxwell1956 (206 days ago)

I don't know about THAT statement. I'm not religous nor do I adhere to anyone particular religion or sect but I do think there is something greater than ourselves. Even Albert Einstein believed in something greater than himself...a God of sorts. The problem with religion, in my opinion, is old fat white guys. They make religion a form of social construct or a form of social control. Hate women, hate blacks, hate gays and lesbians, hate Turks, hate Jews, Hate Arabs....from the Koran, to the Talmud to the Bible...religion has a spiritual side to it that helps us all. It can give us purpose and direction. We can also learn allot about purpose, direction and kindness from atheists and agnostics. We just have to be "teachable".

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I don't know about THAT statement. I'm not religous nor do I adhere to anyone particular religion or sect but I do think there is something greater than ourselves. Even Albert Einstein believed in something greater than himself...a God of sorts. The problem with religion, in my opinion, is old fat white guys. They make religion a form of social construct or a form of social control. Hate women, hate blacks, hate gays and lesbians, hate Turks, hate Jews, Hate Arabs....from the Koran, to the Talmud to the Bible...religion has a spiritual side to it that helps us all. It can give us purpose and direction. We can also learn allot about purpose, direction and kindness from atheists and agnostics. We just have to be "teachable".

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