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Christopher Hitchens revises the Ten Commandments

Christopher Hitchens revises the Ten Commandments

(8:06) From YT: "The Ten Commandments were set in stone, but it may be time for a re-chisel. With all due humility, the author takes on the job, pruning the ethically dubious, challenging the impossible, and rectifying some serious omissions."

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ReligiousNut ReligiousNut (173 days ago)

I love having this argument about the Ten Commandments. The only place those commandments are written is in Exodus 34. All the other places you see ten commandments, the headings were added by the translators and those are not the same as those which were written on the tablets of Moses. No other place in the Bible does it refer to the "Ten Commandments." If you think it does in Leviticus or Deuteronomy, read the orginal language and you will not see it referred to as the Ten Commandments.

Even in Exodus 20 where regular commands appear to be listed, it is those that God verbally spoke to the people from Mount Sinai. Exodus 32 is when Moses comes back the first time with the first set of tablets and breaks them after seeing the people disobeyed the verbal word of God. It does not say what was written on them.

Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Exodus 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

Exodus 34:18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

Exodus 34:19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male .

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Exodus 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Exodus 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

Exodus 34:24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

Exodus 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

Exodus 34:26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

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I love having this argument about the Ten Commandments. The only place those commandments are written is in Exodus 34. All the other places you see ten commandments, the headings were added by the translators and those are not the same as those which were written on the tablets of Moses. No other place in the Bible does it refer to the "Ten Commandments." If you think it does in Leviticus or Deuteronomy, read the orginal language and you will not see it referred to as the Ten Commandments.

Even in Exodus 20 where regular commands appear to be listed, it is those that God verbally spoke to the people from Mount Sinai. Exodus 32 is when Moses comes back the first time with the first set of tablets and breaks them after seeing the people disobeyed the verbal word of God. It does not say what was written on them.

Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Exodus 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

Exodus 34:18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

Exodus 34:19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male .

Exodus 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Exodus 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Exodus 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

Exodus 34:24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

Exodus 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

Exodus 34:26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

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Are you suggested that a new atheist hasn't understood what they are criticising? Surely not.

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Are you suggested that a new atheist hasn't understood what they are criticising? Surely not.

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ReligiousNut ReligiousNut (173 days ago)

Hitchens is not a new atheist but he doesn't know what the Ten Commandments are. He's not the only one as you can ask many theists and they all point to some written in Deuteronmy 5.

Different religious sects cannot agree on the numbering. You have Septuagint, Philo, Samaritan Pentateuch, Jews, Augustine, Catholics, Lutherns, and Reformed Christians that number them different.

For example, the Jewish say the 10th commandment is "Ye shall erect these stones which I command thee upon Mount Gerizim" whereas some of the others think it's the one about coveting your neighbor's house, wive, servants, animals, etc.

Jews think the first commandment is "I am the Lord thy God" and the 2nd is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." But most of the others combine those two into the first commandment.

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Hitchens is not a new atheist but he doesn't know what the Ten Commandments are. He's not the only one as you can ask many theists and they all point to some written in Deuteronmy 5.

Different religious sects cannot agree on the numbering. You have Septuagint, Philo, Samaritan Pentateuch, Jews, Augustine, Catholics, Lutherns, and Reformed Christians that number them different.

For example, the Jewish say the 10th commandment is "Ye shall erect these stones which I command thee upon Mount Gerizim" whereas some of the others think it's the one about coveting your neighbor's house, wive, servants, animals, etc.

Jews think the first commandment is "I am the Lord thy God" and the 2nd is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." But most of the others combine those two into the first commandment.

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All these people who don't know what the 10 commandments are. If only they would come and ask you! It would save so much time and disagreement. Anything else you'd like to tell us?

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All these people who don't know what the 10 commandments are. If only they would come and ask you! It would save so much time and disagreement. Anything else you'd like to tell us?

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Guest: (173 days ago)

Chris Hitchens, not a new atheist?

He was one of the pivotal new atheists, one of the '4 horsemen'.

Looks like you know as much about new atheists as they know about your bible.

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Chris Hitchens, not a new atheist?

He was one of the pivotal new atheists, one of the '4 horsemen'.

Looks like you know as much about new atheists as they know about your bible.

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ReligiousNut ReligiousNut (173 days ago)

I don't claim to know about atheists. I'm religiousnut. By the way, it's not my bible.

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I don't claim to know about atheists. I'm religiousnut. By the way, it's not my bible.

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Atheists don't usually claim to know about the bible either. You could both benefit from learning more about each other.

Hitchens was a founder of the new atheism movement.

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Atheists don't usually claim to know about the bible either. You could both benefit from learning more about each other.

Hitchens was a founder of the new atheism movement.

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