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The Circular Economy: Making environmentalism pay

The Circular Economy: Making environmentalism pay

(14:13) Turning waste into profit, a business model for the future. Economist YT channel

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (12 days ago)

Most major cities in the USA have recycling places you can go to drop off a load of separated waste material and claim money for it. You can return copper, aluminium, steel, bottles and cans, ink cartridges, and car batteries. If you can get a bunch of it, you can also sell recycled paper and cardboard too.

This actually become a problem with scrap metals because the amount you get is so high that people steal it from abandoned buildings. Some people have had their completely functional air conditioner stolen so the copper and aluminium in the condensor can be recycled for money.

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Most major cities in the USA have recycling places you can go to drop off a load of separated waste material and claim money for it. You can return copper, aluminium, steel, bottles and cans, ink cartridges, and car batteries. If you can get a bunch of it, you can also sell recycled paper and cardboard too.

This actually become a problem with scrap metals because the amount you get is so high that people steal it from abandoned buildings. Some people have had their completely functional air conditioner stolen so the copper and aluminium in the condensor can be recycled for money.

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TheBob TheBob (12 days ago)

But you like people making money - or are you finally coming round to the idea of regulation?

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But you like people making money - or are you finally coming round to the idea of regulation?

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (12 days ago)

Making money the legal way.

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Making money the legal way.

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TheBob TheBob (12 days ago)

Exactly - we need constraints so people behave in ways that are respectful to other members of society - and do not annexe resources for their own personal gain to the detriment of the common wealth.

At last we can agree!

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Exactly - we need constraints so people behave in ways that are respectful to other members of society - and do not annexe resources for their own personal gain to the detriment of the common wealth.

At last we can agree!

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (12 days ago)

I was stating that stealing is illegal and shouldn't be allowed. You somehow translated that into annexe resources (which I don't know what you mean by using annexe which has nothing to do with resources but I'll assume you mean acquire).

If I buy a gold mine and extract all the gold from it, I should be allowed to keep all that gold or sell it. It would be mine to do with as I please. That is the benefit for me investing in the property as well as paying people to mine it. It is not a common wealth commodity. It only becomes common wealth if the government does it.

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I was stating that stealing is illegal and shouldn't be allowed. You somehow translated that into annexe resources (which I don't know what you mean by using annexe which has nothing to do with resources but I'll assume you mean acquire).

If I buy a gold mine and extract all the gold from it, I should be allowed to keep all that gold or sell it. It would be mine to do with as I please. That is the benefit for me investing in the property as well as paying people to mine it. It is not a common wealth commodity. It only becomes common wealth if the government does it.

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TheBob TheBob (12 days ago)

If you go back in history, there was a time when there was no private ownership of land (or gold mines). The resources were available to the community (common land in the UK - or "the land" in USA).

Then someone came along and appropriated it and what was held in common was now held privately. This has happened a lot: the enclosures, the highland clearances, establishment of private fish-farms both off-shore and in scottish lochs - and obviously in the USA (where the land didn't "belong" to anyone till someone came and said "It's mine, and my army is bigger than yours").

So, yes, we are agreed that stealing shouldn't be allowed - but I'm talking about the land which used to be the common wealth.

"The law will punish man or woman
who steals a goose from off the common,
but let the greater felon loose
who steals the common from the goose."

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If you go back in history, there was a time when there was no private ownership of land (or gold mines). The resources were available to the community (common land in the UK - or "the land" in USA).

Then someone came along and appropriated it and what was held in common was now held privately. This has happened a lot: the enclosures, the highland clearances, establishment of private fish-farms both off-shore and in scottish lochs - and obviously in the USA (where the land didn't "belong" to anyone till someone came and said "It's mine, and my army is bigger than yours").

So, yes, we are agreed that stealing shouldn't be allowed - but I'm talking about the land which used to be the common wealth.

"The law will punish man or woman
who steals a goose from off the common,
but let the greater felon loose
who steals the common from the goose."

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (12 days ago)

"If you go back in history, there was a time when there was no private ownership of land (or gold mines). The resources were available to the community " Today, it's not like that so it's called progress.

"land which used to be the common wealth." There is land like that and those are roads, bridges, parks, schools, and government buildings. The governemnt, with eminent domain laws, can even take private property for the good of the community but they must pay the owner fair market value for the property taken.

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"If you go back in history, there was a time when there was no private ownership of land (or gold mines). The resources were available to the community " Today, it's not like that so it's called progress.

"land which used to be the common wealth." There is land like that and those are roads, bridges, parks, schools, and government buildings. The governemnt, with eminent domain laws, can even take private property for the good of the community but they must pay the owner fair market value for the property taken.

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TheBob TheBob (12 days ago)

" it's called progress ." It can also be called theft.

Did the Native Americans get a " fair market value for the property taken ?" I don't think so.

OK, we've got away from environmentalism a bit, but agree that at least some regulation is good: people shouldn't just be able to steal air conditioners to sell (or historically, land that was held in common).

Like I say, at last we can agree on something!

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" it's called progress ." It can also be called theft.

Did the Native Americans get a " fair market value for the property taken ?" I don't think so.

OK, we've got away from environmentalism a bit, but agree that at least some regulation is good: people shouldn't just be able to steal air conditioners to sell (or historically, land that was held in common).

Like I say, at last we can agree on something!

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (11 days ago)

"Did the Native Americans get a " fair market value for the property taken ?" I don't think so." Why don't you ask your own country that question. It was the British who landed on Plymouth Rock and the British settlers fought the natives. I don't believe those particular natives were compensated for the stolen land.

Britan was a large empire at one time and conquered many countries. And now you want to blame that on the people who are still living here several hundred of years later.

Regarding regulation, I agree with some regulation as long as it is being done to prevent victims. For example, I think some laws should be removed such as those for prostitution and those against marajuana. Theyare both victimless crimes.

Citizens should have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't prevent anyone else from having liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That means you should not be allowed to steal from other people, burn someone's house down, damage their car, or kill their dog. But if you want to damage your own car, you should have the right to do that.

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"Did the Native Americans get a " fair market value for the property taken ?" I don't think so." Why don't you ask your own country that question. It was the British who landed on Plymouth Rock and the British settlers fought the natives. I don't believe those particular natives were compensated for the stolen land.

Britan was a large empire at one time and conquered many countries. And now you want to blame that on the people who are still living here several hundred of years later.

Regarding regulation, I agree with some regulation as long as it is being done to prevent victims. For example, I think some laws should be removed such as those for prostitution and those against marajuana. Theyare both victimless crimes.

Citizens should have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't prevent anyone else from having liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That means you should not be allowed to steal from other people, burn someone's house down, damage their car, or kill their dog. But if you want to damage your own car, you should have the right to do that.

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Guest: (11 days ago)

It's really impressive how little you know of your own country's history.

The Pilgrim fathers took very little land because obviously they were comparatively very few and geographically very concentrated.

All of the significant 'landgrabs' and dispossessions happened long after the first colonies, and long after independence. Since 1776, your forefathers have taken over 1.5 billion acres from native tribes. Check out the Homestead Acts of the mid-1860s, the Indian Removal Act, etc. etc. But they're the fault of the British, right?

At Ehistory there is even an interactive animated map that charts the expansion. Go and learn something.

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It's really impressive how little you know of your own country's history.

The Pilgrim fathers took very little land because obviously they were comparatively very few and geographically very concentrated.

All of the significant 'landgrabs' and dispossessions happened long after the first colonies, and long after independence. Since 1776, your forefathers have taken over 1.5 billion acres from native tribes. Check out the Homestead Acts of the mid-1860s, the Indian Removal Act, etc. etc. But they're the fault of the British, right?

At Ehistory there is even an interactive animated map that charts the expansion. Go and learn something.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (11 days ago)

So you're saying that the people who did the land grabs were 2nd and 3rd generation British. So what. It is still the fault of the British. The majority of the land taken after 1776 was purchased during the Louisiana Purchase from the French. Other land such as West Florida got independence from Spain. This means the British, Spanish, and French took most of the land.

Maybe you can educate me by telling me which land you think we wrongfully took from native american Indians after 1776. The Indian removal act relocated some tribes to Indian lands within existing state boarders. Many tribes went peacefully but not all. The act had no intention of killing any. From my research of that act, we gave them land with a patent forever. If there were improvements on the land, we paid them for those. We helped with them with moving and provided protection.

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So you're saying that the people who did the land grabs were 2nd and 3rd generation British. So what. It is still the fault of the British. The majority of the land taken after 1776 was purchased during the Louisiana Purchase from the French. Other land such as West Florida got independence from Spain. This means the British, Spanish, and French took most of the land.

Maybe you can educate me by telling me which land you think we wrongfully took from native american Indians after 1776. The Indian removal act relocated some tribes to Indian lands within existing state boarders. Many tribes went peacefully but not all. The act had no intention of killing any. From my research of that act, we gave them land with a patent forever. If there were improvements on the land, we paid them for those. We helped with them with moving and provided protection.

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Guest: (11 days ago)

Your maths is as poor as your history. You consider people born in the 1840s in the USA "2nd and 3rd generation British"? How on earth did you work that one out?

Maybe you could educate yourself, and go and look on the ehistory site. It goes into detail about which lands were dispossessed from native americans after 1776, and cites each act which enabled the USA to do that with the pretence of legality.

I cannot believe you are framing the Indian removal act as some benevolent action. Absolutely appalling. Look up the Trail of Tears, while you're doing your homework. The native tribes were robbed of millions of acres - the permit to live on alternative land was not 'forever', as smaller reservations were soon set up to further dispossess them.

Honestly, I'm a little shocked you didn't know any of this.

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Your maths is as poor as your history. You consider people born in the 1840s in the USA "2nd and 3rd generation British"? How on earth did you work that one out?

Maybe you could educate yourself, and go and look on the ehistory site. It goes into detail about which lands were dispossessed from native americans after 1776, and cites each act which enabled the USA to do that with the pretence of legality.

I cannot believe you are framing the Indian removal act as some benevolent action. Absolutely appalling. Look up the Trail of Tears, while you're doing your homework. The native tribes were robbed of millions of acres - the permit to live on alternative land was not 'forever', as smaller reservations were soon set up to further dispossess them.

Honestly, I'm a little shocked you didn't know any of this.

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TheBob TheBob (11 days ago)

Shoud we also blame the British for wanting to build the Dakota Access Pipeline across Sioux territory?

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Shoud we also blame the British for wanting to build the Dakota Access Pipeline across Sioux territory?

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Guest: (11 days ago)

Of course. The Dakota pipeline was proposed by 11th generation British people. World War II was won by proud homegrown Americans. The Vietnam War was lost by 8th generation British imperialists from the USA.

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Of course. The Dakota pipeline was proposed by 11th generation British people. World War II was won by proud homegrown Americans. The Vietnam War was lost by 8th generation British imperialists from the USA.

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TheBob TheBob (11 days ago)
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Good point, well made.

Oh, and Donald Trump is 2nd generation Scottish

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Good point, well made.

Oh, and Donald Trump is 2nd generation Scottish

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