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TYT - EU slaps Google with record fine

TYT - EU slaps Google with record fine

(5:09) Google just got hit with the biggest fine ever imposed by the EU for breaking anti-trust laws. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian of The Young Turks discuss.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (114 days ago)

I think it would be funny if Google pulled out of the EU and just stopped doing business there. Current EU customers would be pissed and there is no good alternative. The EU would be begging Google to come back.

Is there an EU law that says Google must show results to competitors? What if Google only showed results to it's own products and nobody elses when searching from the EU?

One more thing. Amazon sells products and 3rd parties are also allowed to sell through Amazon. If I search for a product on the Amazon site and the search results show Amazon's version of it first, is that breaking the EU laws too? Amazon is a retail company so it makes sense.

It must really suck to do business in a geographic area where you cannot promote your own products and services before offering 3rd party ones.

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I think it would be funny if Google pulled out of the EU and just stopped doing business there. Current EU customers would be pissed and there is no good alternative. The EU would be begging Google to come back.

Is there an EU law that says Google must show results to competitors? What if Google only showed results to it's own products and nobody elses when searching from the EU?

One more thing. Amazon sells products and 3rd parties are also allowed to sell through Amazon. If I search for a product on the Amazon site and the search results show Amazon's version of it first, is that breaking the EU laws too? Amazon is a retail company so it makes sense.

It must really suck to do business in a geographic area where you cannot promote your own products and services before offering 3rd party ones.

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Guest: MawrahC (112 days ago)

The Amazon analogy is not really an appropriate one, because it's a merchant model that delivers localised iterations of its' service. You have amazon.de and amazon.co.uk in EU, for example, that abide by local jurisdiction. Google is a search engine and while local attributes such as language feature in the request, it will still return content outside of that jurisdiction. Not blaming Google, as it's hard to build on something and cover every eventuality, but they've been caught here.

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The Amazon analogy is not really an appropriate one, because it's a merchant model that delivers localised iterations of its' service. You have amazon.de and amazon.co.uk in EU, for example, that abide by local jurisdiction. Google is a search engine and while local attributes such as language feature in the request, it will still return content outside of that jurisdiction. Not blaming Google, as it's hard to build on something and cover every eventuality, but they've been caught here.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (112 days ago)

When Google had it's IPO, I didn't invest because I didn't know how they would make money as a search engine that was offered to the public for free. Turns out they make billions now. It was a mistake but I now understand more about how that company earns revenue.

Google is not a search engine company, they are an advertisement company. They provide services that people want to use so that their corporate customers who pay them to display advertisements will have landing pages. If you type specific key words into the Google Search, there are companies that pay to have advertisements displayed in those cases. Youtube, another Google company embeds advertisements into the videos for revenue.

I certainly hope Google wins their appeal because it would be ridiculous to expect a company to offer competing products or services in the same manner as their own.

If I go to maps.google.com, should I be prompted somewhere on the top of that page to go to the Bing map site? I think no. Not only no but hell no!

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When Google had it's IPO, I didn't invest because I didn't know how they would make money as a search engine that was offered to the public for free. Turns out they make billions now. It was a mistake but I now understand more about how that company earns revenue.

Google is not a search engine company, they are an advertisement company. They provide services that people want to use so that their corporate customers who pay them to display advertisements will have landing pages. If you type specific key words into the Google Search, there are companies that pay to have advertisements displayed in those cases. Youtube, another Google company embeds advertisements into the videos for revenue.

I certainly hope Google wins their appeal because it would be ridiculous to expect a company to offer competing products or services in the same manner as their own.

If I go to maps.google.com, should I be prompted somewhere on the top of that page to go to the Bing map site? I think no. Not only no but hell no!

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Guest: Pablox (112 days ago)

This isn't about Google's right to advertise. The paid adverts at the top and side of SERPs are not a problem because that is transparent and users can reasonably expect them to be sponsored results.

It isn't a problem with going to Google Maps either, because by that point users have already chosen the end product they want, and Maps doesn't market itself as a comparison engine.

The issue is that when users are trying to choose the end product to purchase, Google seems to offer a comparison, but in fact it isn't presenting them with a fair representation of the available choice, and it isn't making it clear that the offers are affiliated. Obviously there are algorithms that they protect, but users expect them to rank relevance and quality, not affiliation with Google (which is what the ads are for).

All they need to do is be more open with what they are doing which puts the choice back in the hands of the consumer

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This isn't about Google's right to advertise. The paid adverts at the top and side of SERPs are not a problem because that is transparent and users can reasonably expect them to be sponsored results.

It isn't a problem with going to Google Maps either, because by that point users have already chosen the end product they want, and Maps doesn't market itself as a comparison engine.

The issue is that when users are trying to choose the end product to purchase, Google seems to offer a comparison, but in fact it isn't presenting them with a fair representation of the available choice, and it isn't making it clear that the offers are affiliated. Obviously there are algorithms that they protect, but users expect them to rank relevance and quality, not affiliation with Google (which is what the ads are for).

All they need to do is be more open with what they are doing which puts the choice back in the hands of the consumer

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (112 days ago)

You have a choice. If you don't like how Google operates, use yahoo/altavista, bing, dogpile, lycos, webcrawler, duckduckgo, or any of the others.

Whenever I use my Microsoft Windows machines, the browser keeps defaulting the home pages to msn (a Microsoft service). Their app store keeps trying to sell me Microsoft Office. When I'm on a web page using Internet Explorer and highlight a word then right click, I get "map with Bing, Search with Bing, Translate with Bing." Where are all the Google options? You have to go out of your way to add service providers but the default is to use all Microsoft services.

If I install Chrome and make it my default browser, the next time I launch Internet Explorer, it tells me that IE is no longer the default and asks me to change it back.

Curious, does Microsoft do all these things in the EU as well or is there a special version of Windows that is written for that geographic area? You see why I think Google should win their appeal now. This could get crazy for any companies offering services but not offering third party options first or at least at the same time. This Google fine can set a precedence.

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You have a choice. If you don't like how Google operates, use yahoo/altavista, bing, dogpile, lycos, webcrawler, duckduckgo, or any of the others.

Whenever I use my Microsoft Windows machines, the browser keeps defaulting the home pages to msn (a Microsoft service). Their app store keeps trying to sell me Microsoft Office. When I'm on a web page using Internet Explorer and highlight a word then right click, I get "map with Bing, Search with Bing, Translate with Bing." Where are all the Google options? You have to go out of your way to add service providers but the default is to use all Microsoft services.

If I install Chrome and make it my default browser, the next time I launch Internet Explorer, it tells me that IE is no longer the default and asks me to change it back.

Curious, does Microsoft do all these things in the EU as well or is there a special version of Windows that is written for that geographic area? You see why I think Google should win their appeal now. This could get crazy for any companies offering services but not offering third party options first or at least at the same time. This Google fine can set a precedence.

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We don't have a choice if we don't know it's going on. If they suggest they are an open comparison engine that ranks according to relevance and price etc then there's a problem. Your analogies don't work because none of them are pretending to offer comparison or choice from external providers. Comprende?

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We don't have a choice if we don't know it's going on. If they suggest they are an open comparison engine that ranks according to relevance and price etc then there's a problem. Your analogies don't work because none of them are pretending to offer comparison or choice from external providers. Comprende?

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