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TED-Ed - How does impeachment work?

TED-Ed - How does impeachment work?

(5:12) For most jobs it is understood that you can be fired, whether for crime, incompetence, or just poor performance. But what about the highest job in the land, POTUS.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (88 days ago)

Impeachment is a good idea. The UK monarch cannot be impeached because she is above the law. Shouldn't be that way.

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Impeachment is a good idea. The UK monarch cannot be impeached because she is above the law. Shouldn't be that way.

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Impeachment comes from English law. You're welcome.

If you're interested it's been possible to prosecute the Queen in her official capacity since 1947 (Crown Proceedings Act 1947). They can also be forced to abdicate, even without a criminal offence being committed.

The POTUS cannot be prosecuted as part of a criminal trial, like most heads of state. You can only impeach them and try to prosecute them afterwards, and as Nixon proved in the USA that's very easy to get out of.

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Impeachment comes from English law. You're welcome.

If you're interested it's been possible to prosecute the Queen in her official capacity since 1947 (Crown Proceedings Act 1947). They can also be forced to abdicate, even without a criminal offence being committed.

The POTUS cannot be prosecuted as part of a criminal trial, like most heads of state. You can only impeach them and try to prosecute them afterwards, and as Nixon proved in the USA that's very easy to get out of.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (87 days ago)

I'm not an expert with the Crown Proceedings act of 1947 but from what I read in my research, it provides for civil suits. That's different from criminal convictions. Show me where the queen could be prosecuted if she kills a random citizen for no reason. I don't believe she can be prosecuted for that and the Crown Procedings act of 1947 doesn't appear to have a provision for it either. Can you show me the paragraph that I missed that would allow for it?

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I'm not an expert with the Crown Proceedings act of 1947 but from what I read in my research, it provides for civil suits. That's different from criminal convictions. Show me where the queen could be prosecuted if she kills a random citizen for no reason. I don't believe she can be prosecuted for that and the Crown Procedings act of 1947 doesn't appear to have a provision for it either. Can you show me the paragraph that I missed that would allow for it?

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Guest: (87 days ago)

What are you an expert on? You argue the same week that Trump pardons a convicted criminal!! Totally above the law. You would never get that in the UK. You've changed your argument... you said the queen was above the law but FYI she can be prosecuted on civil matters which still counts as the law. Now you say she can't be criminally convicted while in office which is just the same as the POTUS and most heads of state.

UK Monarchs can be forced to abdicate, can be removed from office by the government.. they even get executed every now and again.. The UK has a history of holding its leaders to account in ways that the American public can't imagine. The closest the USA has is impeachment but as Nixon proved it doesn't work. They get away with a slapped wrist. The American population are powerless which is why Trump will get away with it all and pardon who he likes and you will watch like sheep.

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What are you an expert on? You argue the same week that Trump pardons a convicted criminal!! Totally above the law. You would never get that in the UK. You've changed your argument... you said the queen was above the law but FYI she can be prosecuted on civil matters which still counts as the law. Now you say she can't be criminally convicted while in office which is just the same as the POTUS and most heads of state.

UK Monarchs can be forced to abdicate, can be removed from office by the government.. they even get executed every now and again.. The UK has a history of holding its leaders to account in ways that the American public can't imagine. The closest the USA has is impeachment but as Nixon proved it doesn't work. They get away with a slapped wrist. The American population are powerless which is why Trump will get away with it all and pardon who he likes and you will watch like sheep.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (84 days ago)

"Now you say she can't be criminally convicted while in office which is just the same as the POTUS and most heads of state." You are mistaken. The POTUS can be convicted while in office. Didn't you watch the video?

"UK Monarchs can be forced to abdicate, can be removed from office by the government" . She cannot be removed from office by the government. Unless I'm wrong, which I don't think I am, please show me some constitutional law that provides for the queens removal by any government official.

" they even get executed every now and again." We had a couple assinations too.

"The closest the USA has is impeachment but as Nixon proved it doesn't work." Actually it did work. He resigned before being being removed from office so the threat of impeachment was enough.

"and pardon who he likes and you will watch like sheep." Pardon is a Presidental priviledge. By the way, which criminal are you referring to? The sherriff who was held in contempt of court for violating a judge's order? The same sherriff who was being held without a trial by jury which is a right given by our constitution? The same sherriff that was referring illegal aliens to ICE? In my opinion, that sherriff was doing a great job. He went above and beyond his duties to refer illegal activity to the correct authorities.

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"Now you say she can't be criminally convicted while in office which is just the same as the POTUS and most heads of state." You are mistaken. The POTUS can be convicted while in office. Didn't you watch the video?

"UK Monarchs can be forced to abdicate, can be removed from office by the government" . She cannot be removed from office by the government. Unless I'm wrong, which I don't think I am, please show me some constitutional law that provides for the queens removal by any government official.

" they even get executed every now and again." We had a couple assinations too.

"The closest the USA has is impeachment but as Nixon proved it doesn't work." Actually it did work. He resigned before being being removed from office so the threat of impeachment was enough.

"and pardon who he likes and you will watch like sheep." Pardon is a Presidental priviledge. By the way, which criminal are you referring to? The sherriff who was held in contempt of court for violating a judge's order? The same sherriff who was being held without a trial by jury which is a right given by our constitution? The same sherriff that was referring illegal aliens to ICE? In my opinion, that sherriff was doing a great job. He went above and beyond his duties to refer illegal activity to the correct authorities.

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Did YOU watch the video? Successfully impeaching someone and removing them from office "opens them to standard criminal prosecution". Please show me the paragraph of the constitutional law that provides for the criminal prosecution of the POTUS while still in office. Impeachment didn't work with Nixon. The goal isn't just to impeach, it's to make the subject accountable to law so it failed. "Pardon is a presidential priviledge"!!! HAHAH! Like I said, watch like sheep. Powerless. You've ended up defending something that makes you above the law on the same page where you were complaining about it.

No single official could abolish the monarchy but there are several ways a government could. Change the Act of Settlement and put in clauses that effectively prohibit the current monarch from being in office... pass their own act without royal assent (like parliament did with Charles I)... change the rules of succession (Bill of Rights / Act of Settlement ). They could just hold a referendum, get the public behind them, force them to abdicate, change the ways all laws are passed, and abolish the monarchy - the people cannot be governed without their assent. Several countries have passed from monarchy to republic without civil war or royal assent. Unlike the USA, Britain can change its statutes and uncodified constitution as and whenever it likes, and the people are able to hold their leaders to account. Take note.

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Did YOU watch the video? Successfully impeaching someone and removing them from office "opens them to standard criminal prosecution". Please show me the paragraph of the constitutional law that provides for the criminal prosecution of the POTUS while still in office. Impeachment didn't work with Nixon. The goal isn't just to impeach, it's to make the subject accountable to law so it failed. "Pardon is a presidential priviledge"!!! HAHAH! Like I said, watch like sheep. Powerless. You've ended up defending something that makes you above the law on the same page where you were complaining about it.

No single official could abolish the monarchy but there are several ways a government could. Change the Act of Settlement and put in clauses that effectively prohibit the current monarch from being in office... pass their own act without royal assent (like parliament did with Charles I)... change the rules of succession (Bill of Rights / Act of Settlement ). They could just hold a referendum, get the public behind them, force them to abdicate, change the ways all laws are passed, and abolish the monarchy - the people cannot be governed without their assent. Several countries have passed from monarchy to republic without civil war or royal assent. Unlike the USA, Britain can change its statutes and uncodified constitution as and whenever it likes, and the people are able to hold their leaders to account. Take note.

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COncernedCitizen COncernedCitizen (84 days ago)

You sound like a child around 12 to 14 years old.

The 25th amendment has provisions for removal of the president without going through the impeachment process. Article 2 of the Constitution explains how the POTUS can be convicted while in office. Anybody in the executive branch will be removed from office if convicted of teason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

What I hear you saying confirms that there is no current government agency or person capable of removing your queen from her throne. Of course you can create new laws or regulations that could allow it but none currently exists. Just because something could occur, doesn't make it currently legal. You said your queen could be removed by the government but you did not substantiate that claim. Sorry, you lose.

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You sound like a child around 12 to 14 years old.

The 25th amendment has provisions for removal of the president without going through the impeachment process. Article 2 of the Constitution explains how the POTUS can be convicted while in office. Anybody in the executive branch will be removed from office if convicted of teason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

What I hear you saying confirms that there is no current government agency or person capable of removing your queen from her throne. Of course you can create new laws or regulations that could allow it but none currently exists. Just because something could occur, doesn't make it currently legal. You said your queen could be removed by the government but you did not substantiate that claim. Sorry, you lose.

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"Sorry, you lose" hahaha, yes you sound like the mature one. TBH I know your level of understanding is kind of low, you even once tried to argue that if an uncodified constitution couldn't exist. 20 secs on wiki prove you wrong.

I will ask you ONE more time, please show me the paragraph of the constitutional law that would allow for the criminal prosecution of the POTUS while still in office or just accept you are wrong as usual .

You don't even make sense.. "Just because something could occur...." Oh so now you agree it could be occur ? Thank you .

"You said your queen could be removed by the government but you did not substantiate that claim". Well you just admitted it could be done and obviously it already has been done. What more do you want? The government has the power to create an act that will get rid of the Queen. Period. Plus with a referendum the monarch could be forced to abdicate without even creating a new statute (see Alphonso 13 and many others).

You got called out, too bad.. You pretended to hate when leaders are above the law then woopsy you praised Trump for being above the law. Done and dusted, you disproved yourself without me even trying.

In future get your story straight and read a little politics and history then come back when you've got a coherent argument, get an adult to help .

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"Sorry, you lose" hahaha, yes you sound like the mature one. TBH I know your level of understanding is kind of low, you even once tried to argue that if an uncodified constitution couldn't exist. 20 secs on wiki prove you wrong.

I will ask you ONE more time, please show me the paragraph of the constitutional law that would allow for the criminal prosecution of the POTUS while still in office or just accept you are wrong as usual .

You don't even make sense.. "Just because something could occur...." Oh so now you agree it could be occur ? Thank you .

"You said your queen could be removed by the government but you did not substantiate that claim". Well you just admitted it could be done and obviously it already has been done. What more do you want? The government has the power to create an act that will get rid of the Queen. Period. Plus with a referendum the monarch could be forced to abdicate without even creating a new statute (see Alphonso 13 and many others).

You got called out, too bad.. You pretended to hate when leaders are above the law then woopsy you praised Trump for being above the law. Done and dusted, you disproved yourself without me even trying.

In future get your story straight and read a little politics and history then come back when you've got a coherent argument, get an adult to help .

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TheBob TheBob (88 days ago)

Get your facts straight: the monarch cannot be impeached because all the swans belong to her.

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Get your facts straight: the monarch cannot be impeached because all the swans belong to her.

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