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Neil deGrasse Tyson - Global warming on Earth, Venus and Mars

Neil deGrasse Tyson - Global warming on Earth, Venus and Mars

(8:11) Neil deGrasse Tyson discusses what we can learn about global warming from the study of the planets in our solar system.

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Guest: Porco Spino (2687 days ago)
scare tactics from the idiots at the IPCC. don't listen to Tyson, he's an idiot.
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scare tactics from the idiots at the IPCC. don't listen to Tyson, he's an idiot.
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TheBob TheBob (2687 days ago)
No. Tyson can be a pompous, self-important ass, but he's not an idiot. What have you (I presume) climate-change deniers got against a simple bit of caution? If there is climate change, precaution may help. If there isn't climate change, you've lost nothing.
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No. Tyson can be a pompous, self-important ass, but he's not an idiot. What have you (I presume) climate-change deniers got against a simple bit of caution? If there is climate change, precaution may help. If there isn't climate change, you've lost nothing.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2687 days ago)
We don't deny climate change. We have not seen proof that it is human caused. In this video, Tyson talks about the CO2 levels on Venus. Did humans put that there too? Besides, it's more likely that we will all be killed by an asteroid impact than global warming. At least asteroid impacts have happened before but global warming killing all humans have not.
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We don't deny climate change. We have not seen proof that it is human caused. In this video, Tyson talks about the CO2 levels on Venus. Did humans put that there too? Besides, it's more likely that we will all be killed by an asteroid impact than global warming. At least asteroid impacts have happened before but global warming killing all humans have not.
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Guest: Your Nan (2686 days ago)
By "we" you mean you. The type of carbon you can see making the difference in the latest data (400 parts per million, which hasn't been that high for 3 million years) is ONLY, I repeat, ONLY from man-made machinery etc. To deny that man is not making the difference is to deny facts and science and the 97%+ consensus from actual climate change experts. The other 3% are not experts or are paid by companies to deny it. The reason he is showing Venus is because Venus has a runaway global warming effect, so he's showing what will happen to Earth if we don't act now.
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By "we" you mean you. The type of carbon you can see making the difference in the latest data (400 parts per million, which hasn't been that high for 3 million years) is ONLY, I repeat, ONLY from man-made machinery etc. To deny that man is not making the difference is to deny facts and science and the 97%+ consensus from actual climate change experts. The other 3% are not experts or are paid by companies to deny it. The reason he is showing Venus is because Venus has a runaway global warming effect, so he's showing what will happen to Earth if we don't act now.
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Guest: rossglory (2686 days ago)
Not seen proof? That's because proof is impossible. There's plenty of evidence though. Venutian CO2? - it came from the rocks because the planet's temp was high enough, ours comes from the rocks because we're burning the stuff at a phenomenal rate. Asteroid impact more likely? - reference? climate change is happening and will kill huge numbers if allowed to. Just because an asteroid strike is possible does not make it better. Asteroid impacts have not killed all humans either so the comment doesn't make sense. You really don't have the facts right I'm afraid. "To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize that you do not understand is a defect."
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Not seen proof? That's because proof is impossible. There's plenty of evidence though. Venutian CO2? - it came from the rocks because the planet's temp was high enough, ours comes from the rocks because we're burning the stuff at a phenomenal rate. Asteroid impact more likely? - reference? climate change is happening and will kill huge numbers if allowed to. Just because an asteroid strike is possible does not make it better. Asteroid impacts have not killed all humans either so the comment doesn't make sense. You really don't have the facts right I'm afraid. "To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize that you do not understand is a defect."
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TheBob TheBob (2687 days ago)
So there *is* climate-change which may or may not be caused by humans. So we may or may not be able to affect it. If we act to minimise its (possible) rate of change, we may or may not have an effect. Surely the sensible option is avoid what *may* make things worse and do what *may* make things better. If we're wrong, what have we lost? If we're right, we might just make the world better. If lots of people say eating grapefruit will make your moustache fall out, while lots of others say this is nonsense, avoiding grapefruit is surely the best option (assuming you like your moustache).
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So there *is* climate-change which may or may not be caused by humans. So we may or may not be able to affect it. If we act to minimise its (possible) rate of change, we may or may not have an effect. Surely the sensible option is avoid what *may* make things worse and do what *may* make things better. If we're wrong, what have we lost? If we're right, we might just make the world better. If lots of people say eating grapefruit will make your moustache fall out, while lots of others say this is nonsense, avoiding grapefruit is surely the best option (assuming you like your moustache).
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cengland0 cengland0 (2687 days ago)
The climate change you speak of is limited in scope. Yes it has increased 2 degrees in the last 100 years. However, it was still warmer 200,000 and 400,000 years ago. So would you still call it climate change? What time period is required to consider it climate change? One day, one year, a thousand years, a million? So there's climate change every day and we have very little to do about that. There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world. There are people murdering other people. We have drug addicts. I believe the money should be spent dealing with issues that affect us now before we tackle things that are far in advance and that we may or may not have any influence on. For example, if you just had a car accident and are bleeding from your neck, would you ask your doctor to check your cholesterol levels so you can take some medication that will potentially prolong your life or would you rather stop the bleeding in your neck first?
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The climate change you speak of is limited in scope. Yes it has increased 2 degrees in the last 100 years. However, it was still warmer 200,000 and 400,000 years ago. So would you still call it climate change? What time period is required to consider it climate change? One day, one year, a thousand years, a million? So there's climate change every day and we have very little to do about that. There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world. There are people murdering other people. We have drug addicts. I believe the money should be spent dealing with issues that affect us now before we tackle things that are far in advance and that we may or may not have any influence on. For example, if you just had a car accident and are bleeding from your neck, would you ask your doctor to check your cholesterol levels so you can take some medication that will potentially prolong your life or would you rather stop the bleeding in your neck first?
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
What? Spend your tax dollars on people starving all over the world? Surely they just need to get a job and work harder. You're starting to sound like some kind of socialist, cengland0 (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing). As for the doctor at the accident, I would expect her to perform triage so she can apply the resources available for the greatest good. OK, we can reduce the number of murders with gun control I agree it's more immediate (*I* am more likely to be murdered than die of climate change) - but a greater good can be served by not killing off future generations. Yes, there may be "only" 2 degrees change in the last century, but the UK has seen one of its wettest summers followed by its coldest spring and a co-incident 50% failure of the sugar beet crop. Potential major food failure is, I'd suggest, more important than a few drug clinics.
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What? Spend your tax dollars on people starving all over the world? Surely they just need to get a job and work harder. You're starting to sound like some kind of socialist, cengland0 (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing). As for the doctor at the accident, I would expect her to perform triage so she can apply the resources available for the greatest good. OK, we can reduce the number of murders with gun control I agree it's more immediate (*I* am more likely to be murdered than die of climate change) - but a greater good can be served by not killing off future generations. Yes, there may be "only" 2 degrees change in the last century, but the UK has seen one of its wettest summers followed by its coldest spring and a co-incident 50% failure of the sugar beet crop. Potential major food failure is, I'd suggest, more important than a few drug clinics.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
Are you one of those people that cannot read properly like Guest123456789? I never mentioned tax dollars anywhere in this thread prior to now so you're trying to put words in my comment that isn't there. After reading your response, it does appear you agree we should take care of immediate urgent needs first and if we have any left-over resources we can apply those to long term needs. Unfortunately with our government's deficit and the poor economy, we do not have anyone that is able to afford to invest in fixing the climate change issue. How much have you spent toward renewable energy lately? The answer is probably zero so most of you that say "we" need to do something about it are waiting for everyone else to pay the price without you paying for it yourself first.
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Are you one of those people that cannot read properly like Guest123456789? I never mentioned tax dollars anywhere in this thread prior to now so you're trying to put words in my comment that isn't there. After reading your response, it does appear you agree we should take care of immediate urgent needs first and if we have any left-over resources we can apply those to long term needs. Unfortunately with our government's deficit and the poor economy, we do not have anyone that is able to afford to invest in fixing the climate change issue. How much have you spent toward renewable energy lately? The answer is probably zero so most of you that say "we" need to do something about it are waiting for everyone else to pay the price without you paying for it yourself first.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Are you a) one of those people who cannot remember; b) inconsistent; c) a hypocrite? "So my tax dollars can go to the poor and lazy? No thanks. I work for my money and want to keep as much as I can without redistribution. " Direct quote from your good self
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Are you a) one of those people who cannot remember; b) inconsistent; c) a hypocrite? "So my tax dollars can go to the poor and lazy? No thanks. I work for my money and want to keep as much as I can without redistribution. " Direct quote from your good self
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
I still stand by my comment. Where do you see me saying that I want my hard earned money to go to the poor? I stated that we have problems with poor people but I certainly don't want to pay for it.
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I still stand by my comment. Where do you see me saying that I want my hard earned money to go to the poor? I stated that we have problems with poor people but I certainly don't want to pay for it.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Sorry - my misunderstanding. When you said, "There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world." I didn't realise you really meant, "There are people starving and I think that's an important problem, but f*ck it, I don't propose to do anything about it as I want to keep as much of my money for me." I apologise for wrongly missing that disticntion.
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Sorry - my misunderstanding. When you said, "There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world." I didn't realise you really meant, "There are people starving and I think that's an important problem, but f*ck it, I don't propose to do anything about it as I want to keep as much of my money for me." I apologise for wrongly missing that disticntion.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
That is an important distinction. We have poor people in the US and I find it absolutely incredible that we spend money to help other countries that need help. Why would we do that? It would be like me lending a friend $1000 when I cannot pay my mortgage payment. That's a nice gesture but it puts me more in the hole. I still feel people need to be responsible for their own family needs. I make my own money and I want to keep as much of it as possible. I'm a libertarian so don't tax me only to give that money to someone else that is not working as hard as me. Remember, Mrs. cengland0 works for the state and gives free money out to people for welfare, medicaid, food stamps, emergency cash, etc. Most of those people will be on the system their whole life because it's much easier getting free money than it is working for it. People even lie on their applications about how much money they earn, what their expenses are, and who is living with them in order to get more of my tax dollars for free. I feel I have the right to be mad at this system. Perhaps the fix is if we give them money, they have to work menial tasks to earn it. If we don't have any jobs they are qualified for, we force them to sit in a room watching educational films. If they do not show up, they do not get paid. That will make them hate the system a little more and some people will try to find a real job. Giving them the money and letting them stay at home drinking beer and smoking cigarettes while watching TV just encourages them to be lazy. They need incentive to work. So, it is possible to fix the problem with poor people without me having to pay for it. It just requires a change in the system.
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That is an important distinction. We have poor people in the US and I find it absolutely incredible that we spend money to help other countries that need help. Why would we do that? It would be like me lending a friend $1000 when I cannot pay my mortgage payment. That's a nice gesture but it puts me more in the hole. I still feel people need to be responsible for their own family needs. I make my own money and I want to keep as much of it as possible. I'm a libertarian so don't tax me only to give that money to someone else that is not working as hard as me. Remember, Mrs. cengland0 works for the state and gives free money out to people for welfare, medicaid, food stamps, emergency cash, etc. Most of those people will be on the system their whole life because it's much easier getting free money than it is working for it. People even lie on their applications about how much money they earn, what their expenses are, and who is living with them in order to get more of my tax dollars for free. I feel I have the right to be mad at this system. Perhaps the fix is if we give them money, they have to work menial tasks to earn it. If we don't have any jobs they are qualified for, we force them to sit in a room watching educational films. If they do not show up, they do not get paid. That will make them hate the system a little more and some people will try to find a real job. Giving them the money and letting them stay at home drinking beer and smoking cigarettes while watching TV just encourages them to be lazy. They need incentive to work. So, it is possible to fix the problem with poor people without me having to pay for it. It just requires a change in the system.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
I would love to be a fly on the wall when you and Mrs cengland0 get home from work. "Hi honey. How was your day?" "I worked hard and made lots of money that I want to keep as much as I can. How was yours?" "Well I'm sorry to say I took some of your tax dollars and first of all paid myself. Then I took some more and gave it to a lot of lazy people so they could drink beer and smoke cigarettes." Does Mrs cengland0 share your views? Would you like her to stop working there? (And yes, it would be silly to "lend" a friend $1,000 if you had no money. But if you had lots it would be the decent thing to do for a friend.)
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I would love to be a fly on the wall when you and Mrs cengland0 get home from work. "Hi honey. How was your day?" "I worked hard and made lots of money that I want to keep as much as I can. How was yours?" "Well I'm sorry to say I took some of your tax dollars and first of all paid myself. Then I took some more and gave it to a lot of lazy people so they could drink beer and smoke cigarettes." Does Mrs cengland0 share your views? Would you like her to stop working there? (And yes, it would be silly to "lend" a friend $1,000 if you had no money. But if you had lots it would be the decent thing to do for a friend.)
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
Mrs. cengland0 has been working in the system for so long that she will be retiring next year. She has become numb to the problem and just types in the data and lets the system approve or deny the requests. It's a job and she gets paid for it. That doesn't mean she has to enjoy it. I'm not mad at her for giving the money away but at the politicians that made the decisions to allow those people to get the benefits without showing any progress in their life. Regarding that $1000 loan, what if I didn't think I would ever get it back? Should I still give it to the friend even if I had extra money? The reason i ask is that I'm saving up for my retirement too. An emergency might come up in my life that requires me to get a new air conditioner, car, or roof on my house. I need to save money to prepare for these scenarios. Those people that spend every penny and do not save may not be prepared for the future. These are the same people you're asking to pay extra for higher cost energy when cheaper fossil fuels are available now. How can we possibly afford it? Use yourself as an example. Electric cars are available now. Solar homes are available now. Do you have those? If not, why not? Don't you care about the environment or are you just preaching but not practicing what you preach?
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Mrs. cengland0 has been working in the system for so long that she will be retiring next year. She has become numb to the problem and just types in the data and lets the system approve or deny the requests. It's a job and she gets paid for it. That doesn't mean she has to enjoy it. I'm not mad at her for giving the money away but at the politicians that made the decisions to allow those people to get the benefits without showing any progress in their life. Regarding that $1000 loan, what if I didn't think I would ever get it back? Should I still give it to the friend even if I had extra money? The reason i ask is that I'm saving up for my retirement too. An emergency might come up in my life that requires me to get a new air conditioner, car, or roof on my house. I need to save money to prepare for these scenarios. Those people that spend every penny and do not save may not be prepared for the future. These are the same people you're asking to pay extra for higher cost energy when cheaper fossil fuels are available now. How can we possibly afford it? Use yourself as an example. Electric cars are available now. Solar homes are available now. Do you have those? If not, why not? Don't you care about the environment or are you just preaching but not practicing what you preach?
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Electric cars don't solve pollution, they just displace it. I chose to sell my car about 10 years ago and now cycle or use public transport (I do have the advantage of living in London - and yes, I could afford a car if I wanted). I do care about the environment which is how come our home is fully insulated, how come all our appliances are low energy, how come we put out one bin bag of rubbish in the last 6 months (the rest is recycled, composted or the excessive consumption refused), how come we shop locally and don't buy food that's been flown out of season from Kenya. (Kenya is a country in Africa by the way, not too far from Zimbabwe). So just where do you get the idea I may not be practising what I'm preaching, big boy? I'm not the one demonstrating hypocrisy on this site. I'm not the one whose household is benefitting from working for a system I allegedly despise. If you dared to put your money where your mouth is, you'd say to your wife, "Honey, it's hypocritical of me to keep moaning about that place you work and for us to accept money from it at the same time in your salary. I propose you stop working there and either find a job that is consistent with the moral stance I keep taking, or I will use some of the money I work so hard for and support you - because otherwise my rhetoric will be empty and I will come across as a two-faced humbug." Or are you just preaching but not practising what you preach?
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Electric cars don't solve pollution, they just displace it. I chose to sell my car about 10 years ago and now cycle or use public transport (I do have the advantage of living in London - and yes, I could afford a car if I wanted). I do care about the environment which is how come our home is fully insulated, how come all our appliances are low energy, how come we put out one bin bag of rubbish in the last 6 months (the rest is recycled, composted or the excessive consumption refused), how come we shop locally and don't buy food that's been flown out of season from Kenya. (Kenya is a country in Africa by the way, not too far from Zimbabwe). So just where do you get the idea I may not be practising what I'm preaching, big boy? I'm not the one demonstrating hypocrisy on this site. I'm not the one whose household is benefitting from working for a system I allegedly despise. If you dared to put your money where your mouth is, you'd say to your wife, "Honey, it's hypocritical of me to keep moaning about that place you work and for us to accept money from it at the same time in your salary. I propose you stop working there and either find a job that is consistent with the moral stance I keep taking, or I will use some of the money I work so hard for and support you - because otherwise my rhetoric will be empty and I will come across as a two-faced humbug." Or are you just preaching but not practising what you preach?
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
Using public transportation does not solve pollution either. Those still use fossil fuels. Using your bicycle is nice but not practical for many people that have to buy groceries or wear a suit to work while it's raining and those that work 20 miles from home. The insulation and low energy appliances in your house are to save you money on your electric bill -- not because you're concerned about the environment. Every appliance in my house is low energy but not because of the environment but because that's what the newest technology offers. I also shop locally for my foods but many local food items are imported from other countries because things like bananas are out of season in the US so we have no choice but to get them from elsewhere. Regarding Mrs. cengland0 working at a place that gives out welfare money, that is the reason I hate the welfare system so much. I learned from her experience and discovered the real issues with it. That does not mean I want her to quit her job but she will be quitting next year anyway. Who am I to decide where people work. She has been working there almost 30 years and she started before we met so I am not going to ask her to quit working at her career now. You obviously don't understand me. I'm an atheist but she believes in a god. I'm also not going to try changing her on that either. People can believe whatever they want. Even you have the right to believe what you want and I'm not trying to change you. I just want to post my views on things and hopefully someone will learn from my experience and knowledge. If not, that's okay too.
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Using public transportation does not solve pollution either. Those still use fossil fuels. Using your bicycle is nice but not practical for many people that have to buy groceries or wear a suit to work while it's raining and those that work 20 miles from home. The insulation and low energy appliances in your house are to save you money on your electric bill -- not because you're concerned about the environment. Every appliance in my house is low energy but not because of the environment but because that's what the newest technology offers. I also shop locally for my foods but many local food items are imported from other countries because things like bananas are out of season in the US so we have no choice but to get them from elsewhere. Regarding Mrs. cengland0 working at a place that gives out welfare money, that is the reason I hate the welfare system so much. I learned from her experience and discovered the real issues with it. That does not mean I want her to quit her job but she will be quitting next year anyway. Who am I to decide where people work. She has been working there almost 30 years and she started before we met so I am not going to ask her to quit working at her career now. You obviously don't understand me. I'm an atheist but she believes in a god. I'm also not going to try changing her on that either. People can believe whatever they want. Even you have the right to believe what you want and I'm not trying to change you. I just want to post my views on things and hopefully someone will learn from my experience and knowledge. If not, that's okay too.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
TheBob said ""And yes, it would be silly to "lend" a friend $1,000 if you had no money. But if you had lots it would be the decent thing to do for a friend."" to which you responded by asking question, (which is never proof of rational thinking) and your questions were ""Regarding that $1000 loan, what if I didn't think I would ever get it back? Should I still give it to the friend even if I had extra money?"" ; what i would now like to ask is: What kind of "crap" friends do you have? why do you call these people friends of yours?? i can understand your stance on the issue only if all of your friends are bankers.
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TheBob said ""And yes, it would be silly to "lend" a friend $1,000 if you had no money. But if you had lots it would be the decent thing to do for a friend."" to which you responded by asking question, (which is never proof of rational thinking) and your questions were ""Regarding that $1000 loan, what if I didn't think I would ever get it back? Should I still give it to the friend even if I had extra money?"" ; what i would now like to ask is: What kind of "crap" friends do you have? why do you call these people friends of yours?? i can understand your stance on the issue only if all of your friends are bankers.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
Are you trying to come out as less of a hypocrite by being rude and telling people they can't read? You are judged based on all the things you've said so far and not just on the previous comment. It's called credibility based on reputation. Everything you said in the previous comment is in complete antithesis with all of your beliefs, as TheBob pointed out so ironically , so your excuse and your insults don't have a shred of credibility. You've been defeated by your own logic and you're trying to make it as if TheBob can't read, geez... did you learn to do that from Bill Oreily on Fox news? Cause the only thing you don't share with him is belief in god.
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Are you trying to come out as less of a hypocrite by being rude and telling people they can't read? You are judged based on all the things you've said so far and not just on the previous comment. It's called credibility based on reputation. Everything you said in the previous comment is in complete antithesis with all of your beliefs, as TheBob pointed out so ironically , so your excuse and your insults don't have a shred of credibility. You've been defeated by your own logic and you're trying to make it as if TheBob can't read, geez... did you learn to do that from Bill Oreily on Fox news? Cause the only thing you don't share with him is belief in god.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
I might have been a bit rude and for that I apologize. It just makes me mad when someone comments directly below what I have typed and starts saying that I said something which is clearly not there. They are attempting to make me look bad by twisting my words into something that supports their ideas.
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I might have been a bit rude and for that I apologize. It just makes me mad when someone comments directly below what I have typed and starts saying that I said something which is clearly not there. They are attempting to make me look bad by twisting my words into something that supports their ideas.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
you can be rude all you want, as far as i'm concerned, but be prepared to get hit by rudeness when you do it. The fact remains that TheBob did point out your hypocrisy and you tried to distract the attention by resorting to insults and accusations. You may have apologized for being rude (completely unnecessary if you ask me, we're all grownups we can take it) but you did not apologize for the hypocritical part of your comment (if i would have been more paranoid and suspicious than i already am, i would have said that you addressed the rudeness factor into a manipulative attempt to steer people away from addressing the hypocrisy factor, but i'm not, so i won't say that)... which is exactly what i have come to expect from you. Just wanted to point that out for everyone to see.
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you can be rude all you want, as far as i'm concerned, but be prepared to get hit by rudeness when you do it. The fact remains that TheBob did point out your hypocrisy and you tried to distract the attention by resorting to insults and accusations. You may have apologized for being rude (completely unnecessary if you ask me, we're all grownups we can take it) but you did not apologize for the hypocritical part of your comment (if i would have been more paranoid and suspicious than i already am, i would have said that you addressed the rudeness factor into a manipulative attempt to steer people away from addressing the hypocrisy factor, but i'm not, so i won't say that)... which is exactly what i have come to expect from you. Just wanted to point that out for everyone to see.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Apology accepted - and I'm not trying to make you look bad by twisting your words to support my ideas. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in your various stances
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Apology accepted - and I'm not trying to make you look bad by twisting your words to support my ideas. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in your various stances
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
Then I missed where you found an inconsistency. Can you tell me what that was again?
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Then I missed where you found an inconsistency. Can you tell me what that was again?
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Quote 1 "So my tax dollars can go to the poor and lazy? No thanks. I work for my money and want to keep as much as I can without redistribution." implies you don't care to help those less fortunate than yourself. Quote 2 "There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world." implies you *do* care about those less fortunate. The resolution seems to be that you *do* care, but choose not to do anything about it
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Quote 1 "So my tax dollars can go to the poor and lazy? No thanks. I work for my money and want to keep as much as I can without redistribution." implies you don't care to help those less fortunate than yourself. Quote 2 "There are some other things that I consider important. For example, there are people starving all over the world." implies you *do* care about those less fortunate. The resolution seems to be that you *do* care, but choose not to do anything about it
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
You didn't understand it so let me explain. I do care about the poor people but I don't want my tax dollars to give them a free ride through life. Make them work for it like the rest of us do. There are people hired to mow the lawns in public places when this could be done by people being given the welfare money. We could have them picking up trash from the sides of the road. Why would we pay union wages to people to do these tasks when we could get it for much lower amounts with people on the welfare system. When they realize it's not a fun task, they may try to get a better job elsewhere and get themselves off the system. Get it now?
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You didn't understand it so let me explain. I do care about the poor people but I don't want my tax dollars to give them a free ride through life. Make them work for it like the rest of us do. There are people hired to mow the lawns in public places when this could be done by people being given the welfare money. We could have them picking up trash from the sides of the road. Why would we pay union wages to people to do these tasks when we could get it for much lower amounts with people on the welfare system. When they realize it's not a fun task, they may try to get a better job elsewhere and get themselves off the system. Get it now?
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Firstly, as a bit of feedback for you (and agreeing with guest123456789's comment below) you do come across as a bit blustery when you know you're on the back foot. "Get it now?" Secondly, you make a big value-judgment about people in receipt of benefit as not wanting to work: what about people with a disability, or those in a disaster area or famine-zone: why not just help them from common humanity? Do you think quadriplegics (big word - look it up) should have to pick up trash and/or do you believe in eugenics? Thirdly (and *most* importantly) I'm much more interested in your answer to my previous post beginning "Electric cars don't solve pollution". I'll repost it immediately above, to make it simple for you to reply.
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Firstly, as a bit of feedback for you (and agreeing with guest123456789's comment below) you do come across as a bit blustery when you know you're on the back foot. "Get it now?" Secondly, you make a big value-judgment about people in receipt of benefit as not wanting to work: what about people with a disability, or those in a disaster area or famine-zone: why not just help them from common humanity? Do you think quadriplegics (big word - look it up) should have to pick up trash and/or do you believe in eugenics? Thirdly (and *most* importantly) I'm much more interested in your answer to my previous post beginning "Electric cars don't solve pollution". I'll repost it immediately above, to make it simple for you to reply.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Firstly, as a bit of feedback for you (and agreeing with guest123456789's comment below) you do come across as a bit blustery when you know you're on the back foot. "Get it now?" Secondly, you make a big value-judgment about people in receipt of benefit as not wanting to work: what about people with a disability, or those in a disaster area or famine-zone: why not just help them from common humanity? Do you think quadriplegics (big word - look it up) should have to pick up trash and/or do you believe in eugenics? Thirdly (and *most* importantly) I'm much more interested in your answer to my previous post beginning "Electric cars don't solve pollution". I'll repost it immediately below, to make it simple for you to reply.
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Firstly, as a bit of feedback for you (and agreeing with guest123456789's comment below) you do come across as a bit blustery when you know you're on the back foot. "Get it now?" Secondly, you make a big value-judgment about people in receipt of benefit as not wanting to work: what about people with a disability, or those in a disaster area or famine-zone: why not just help them from common humanity? Do you think quadriplegics (big word - look it up) should have to pick up trash and/or do you believe in eugenics? Thirdly (and *most* importantly) I'm much more interested in your answer to my previous post beginning "Electric cars don't solve pollution". I'll repost it immediately below, to make it simple for you to reply.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
If you recall from my many previous posts, I have stated that disabled people are exceptions to the rule. They should be allowed benefits because it's not their fault that they cannot do the job. People in wheelchairs can still work. Nothing stops them from having a desk job like me.
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If you recall from my many previous posts, I have stated that disabled people are exceptions to the rule. They should be allowed benefits because it's not their fault that they cannot do the job. People in wheelchairs can still work. Nothing stops them from having a desk job like me.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
Here's the repost: "Electric cars don't solve pollution, they just displace it. I chose to sell my car about 10 years ago and now cycle or use public transport (I do have the advantage of living in London - and yes, I could afford a car if I wanted). I do care about the environment which is how come our home is fully insulated, how come all our appliances are low energy, how come we put out one bin bag of rubbish in the last 6 months (the rest is recycled, composted or the excessive consumption refused), how come we shop locally and don't buy food that's been flown out of season from Kenya. (Kenya is a country in Africa by the way, not too far from Zimbabwe). So just where do you get the idea I may not be practising what I'm preaching, big boy? I'm not the one demonstrating hypocrisy on this site. I'm not the one whose household is benefitting from working for a system I allegedly despise. If you dared to put your money where your mouth is, you'd say to your wife, "Honey, it's hypocritical of me to keep moaning about that place you work and for us to accept money from it at the same time in your salary. I propose you stop working there and either find a job that is consistent with the moral stance I keep taking, or I will use some of the money I work so hard for and support you - because otherwise my rhetoric will be empty and I will come across as a two-faced humbug." Or are you just preaching but not practising what you preach?"
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Here's the repost: "Electric cars don't solve pollution, they just displace it. I chose to sell my car about 10 years ago and now cycle or use public transport (I do have the advantage of living in London - and yes, I could afford a car if I wanted). I do care about the environment which is how come our home is fully insulated, how come all our appliances are low energy, how come we put out one bin bag of rubbish in the last 6 months (the rest is recycled, composted or the excessive consumption refused), how come we shop locally and don't buy food that's been flown out of season from Kenya. (Kenya is a country in Africa by the way, not too far from Zimbabwe). So just where do you get the idea I may not be practising what I'm preaching, big boy? I'm not the one demonstrating hypocrisy on this site. I'm not the one whose household is benefitting from working for a system I allegedly despise. If you dared to put your money where your mouth is, you'd say to your wife, "Honey, it's hypocritical of me to keep moaning about that place you work and for us to accept money from it at the same time in your salary. I propose you stop working there and either find a job that is consistent with the moral stance I keep taking, or I will use some of the money I work so hard for and support you - because otherwise my rhetoric will be empty and I will come across as a two-faced humbug." Or are you just preaching but not practising what you preach?"
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Guest: Real world person (2686 days ago)
dear thebob, congratulations for living in london and selling your car, i actually work for london transport but actually live outside greater london. Without my car and job it would take approx 1 hour (assuming no time lost in connections) and about 10 quid return to get to my nearest town outside of greater london (ps good job i've got a lt pass). this same journey takes 8 mins in a car. Why are you such an arrogant townie c*** ?
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dear thebob, congratulations for living in london and selling your car, i actually work for london transport but actually live outside greater london. Without my car and job it would take approx 1 hour (assuming no time lost in connections) and about 10 quid return to get to my nearest town outside of greater london (ps good job i've got a lt pass). this same journey takes 8 mins in a car. Why are you such an arrogant townie c*** ?
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
I fully accept it's easy for me not to have a car as London has such good public transport - thanks for working for them, by the way. Without decent public transport a lot of people do need cars: my in-laws live in a village with no local shop, no doctor and no bus service. Sorry if I came across as an arrogant townie chap, I was having a go at cengland0 who was asking if I practised what I preach.
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I fully accept it's easy for me not to have a car as London has such good public transport - thanks for working for them, by the way. Without decent public transport a lot of people do need cars: my in-laws live in a village with no local shop, no doctor and no bus service. Sorry if I came across as an arrogant townie chap, I was having a go at cengland0 who was asking if I practised what I preach.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
True electric cars can solve CO2 pollution. They can be charged by electric or wind power. The fact that you automatically thought you had to use fossil fuels to charge an electric car is very telling. You also forgot to explain why you didn't buy a wind or solar generator for your house but you think everyone else should use that technology. If you're using electricity to power your computer right now, you're part of the problem. Do you have any concrete on your property? That also is part of the CO2 problem. Have anything made of wood? Well, you just killed trees that convert CO2 to O2 and you're part of the problem.
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True electric cars can solve CO2 pollution. They can be charged by electric or wind power. The fact that you automatically thought you had to use fossil fuels to charge an electric car is very telling. You also forgot to explain why you didn't buy a wind or solar generator for your house but you think everyone else should use that technology. If you're using electricity to power your computer right now, you're part of the problem. Do you have any concrete on your property? That also is part of the CO2 problem. Have anything made of wood? Well, you just killed trees that convert CO2 to O2 and you're part of the problem.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
1) Electric cars cannot solve CO2 pollution: even solar-powered they may contribute less, but they don't solve it. 2) The fact that you automatically assumed I haven't looked into wind and solar is very telling. The short answer is there's not enough wind and we live in a flat (that's an apartment to you) and don't have control over the roof. 3) You also forgot to explain why you don't put your money where your mouth is and support your wife instead of your household benefitting from a system you allegedly despise. 4) Yes, I do think we should use sustainable energy which is why we buy our electricity from the greenest supplier we can identify. 5) 6) 7) Yes I am part of the problem but not as big a part as some people and I actively try to live a low-impact lifestyle. Can you say the same? 8) Yes, public transport also emits pollution and uses energy but not as much as all those individuals driving cars. 9) If bananas are out of season, you do have a choice: either contribute to the problem by supporting the jetting/trucking in of foodstuff from distant countries - or don't eat bananas when they're out of season. That's a pretty simple one. "Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little." Edmund Burke
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1) Electric cars cannot solve CO2 pollution: even solar-powered they may contribute less, but they don't solve it. 2) The fact that you automatically assumed I haven't looked into wind and solar is very telling. The short answer is there's not enough wind and we live in a flat (that's an apartment to you) and don't have control over the roof. 3) You also forgot to explain why you don't put your money where your mouth is and support your wife instead of your household benefitting from a system you allegedly despise. 4) Yes, I do think we should use sustainable energy which is why we buy our electricity from the greenest supplier we can identify. 5) 6) 7) Yes I am part of the problem but not as big a part as some people and I actively try to live a low-impact lifestyle. Can you say the same? 8) Yes, public transport also emits pollution and uses energy but not as much as all those individuals driving cars. 9) If bananas are out of season, you do have a choice: either contribute to the problem by supporting the jetting/trucking in of foodstuff from distant countries - or don't eat bananas when they're out of season. That's a pretty simple one. "Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little." Edmund Burke
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
1) Why doesn't a solar powered electric car solve CO2 pollution? Current cars generate CO2 and solar energy does not. Solar is a clean and renewable energy so please educate me on why you believe if everyone had solar powered cars our CO2 footprint wouldn't be smaller? 2) The fact that you looked into wind or solar doesn't mean anything to me. The fact you didn't go that route is what's important. Sorry that you live in an apartment and using that as your excuse but you could still have helped the environment by buying your own land and building your own solar and/or wind energy system. Too expensive for you? Well, that's the problem now isn't it? You somehow still think everyone should go with a clean and renewable energy but you completely discount the costs associated with it. That's the only reason I haven't gone that route too. It would cost approximately $50,000 to go solar and would take 30 or more years to break even on my investment if you do not take into consideration the costs of replacing batteries periodically. I might not ever break even if you consider the battery overhead. 3) I am not a controlling person so Mrs. cengland0 is welcome to do whatever she wants. She spends her money however she wants and do not even have access to her money. I make enough to support both of us and, frankly, do not even know how much money she earns. She has her own accounts and manages that all by herself. 4) Are you telling me that you're able to pick your energy supplier? That's very nice and I wish we had that option. In the US, our electricity is provided by monopolies which are regulated by the public utility commission to make sure they do not get out of hand. 7) Yes, I can say the same about my impact on the environment. I have only traveled 2,800 miles in the last year which is way below average for America. I have the newest technology devices that use less power then older devices. My car is a hybrid. 9) I don't care if bananas are out of season or not. I'm a vegetarian and I'm going to eat them as long as they are sold locally and convenient to purchase. I could care less if they are grown in another country -- I like them and I'm going to have them all year round. I admit that I contribute to the problem of generating CO2 but the amount I cause to be generated is probably converted by the plant life around the properties that I own so I'd guess I have a negative carbon footprint when it comes to travel generated CO2. Electricity generated at the power plant might be a different story. I'm not sure how much CO2 is generated by my use of electricity.
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1) Why doesn't a solar powered electric car solve CO2 pollution? Current cars generate CO2 and solar energy does not. Solar is a clean and renewable energy so please educate me on why you believe if everyone had solar powered cars our CO2 footprint wouldn't be smaller? 2) The fact that you looked into wind or solar doesn't mean anything to me. The fact you didn't go that route is what's important. Sorry that you live in an apartment and using that as your excuse but you could still have helped the environment by buying your own land and building your own solar and/or wind energy system. Too expensive for you? Well, that's the problem now isn't it? You somehow still think everyone should go with a clean and renewable energy but you completely discount the costs associated with it. That's the only reason I haven't gone that route too. It would cost approximately $50,000 to go solar and would take 30 or more years to break even on my investment if you do not take into consideration the costs of replacing batteries periodically. I might not ever break even if you consider the battery overhead. 3) I am not a controlling person so Mrs. cengland0 is welcome to do whatever she wants. She spends her money however she wants and do not even have access to her money. I make enough to support both of us and, frankly, do not even know how much money she earns. She has her own accounts and manages that all by herself. 4) Are you telling me that you're able to pick your energy supplier? That's very nice and I wish we had that option. In the US, our electricity is provided by monopolies which are regulated by the public utility commission to make sure they do not get out of hand. 7) Yes, I can say the same about my impact on the environment. I have only traveled 2,800 miles in the last year which is way below average for America. I have the newest technology devices that use less power then older devices. My car is a hybrid. 9) I don't care if bananas are out of season or not. I'm a vegetarian and I'm going to eat them as long as they are sold locally and convenient to purchase. I could care less if they are grown in another country -- I like them and I'm going to have them all year round. I admit that I contribute to the problem of generating CO2 but the amount I cause to be generated is probably converted by the plant life around the properties that I own so I'd guess I have a negative carbon footprint when it comes to travel generated CO2. Electricity generated at the power plant might be a different story. I'm not sure how much CO2 is generated by my use of electricity.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
i would suggest the implementation of legislation that would facilitate a Private Public Partnership company to be easily created in any field for the exploitation of the natural resources of any country (like statoil in Norway) such as oil, gas, wind, sun, human intelligence, human labor, etc. I would also suggest the implementation of Legislation that would regulate the electoral system in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of Lobby and corruption by those who do not represent the interests of the people of the country in question; in the case of the USA a 28th amendment that will repeal the SC decision in the case of Citizens United VS FEC and would also implement a publicly funded electoral system. I would also suggest removing the economic incentives for OIL&GAS companies and using the money spared from those to incentives, to incentiveise research in Renewable energy technology and safe nuclear technology such as Thorium and Fusion. Solutions for humanity's problems exists but there are also people who oppose it because of loss of profit, especially in a capitalist pseudo-democracy controlled by financial and energy oligopolies. Bilderberg.
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i would suggest the implementation of legislation that would facilitate a Private Public Partnership company to be easily created in any field for the exploitation of the natural resources of any country (like statoil in Norway) such as oil, gas, wind, sun, human intelligence, human labor, etc. I would also suggest the implementation of Legislation that would regulate the electoral system in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of Lobby and corruption by those who do not represent the interests of the people of the country in question; in the case of the USA a 28th amendment that will repeal the SC decision in the case of Citizens United VS FEC and would also implement a publicly funded electoral system. I would also suggest removing the economic incentives for OIL&GAS companies and using the money spared from those to incentives, to incentiveise research in Renewable energy technology and safe nuclear technology such as Thorium and Fusion. Solutions for humanity's problems exists but there are also people who oppose it because of loss of profit, especially in a capitalist pseudo-democracy controlled by financial and energy oligopolies. Bilderberg.
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TheBob TheBob (2686 days ago)
1) there will be some CO2 cost in producing and disposing of the solar panels, producing and disposing of the car and producing the eletricity for the car to run on. I repeat: they may contribute less but they don't solve it. I don't need to educate you on something I didn't claim in the first place. You berate others with "Can't you read?" comments - do try to practise what you preach. 2) No need to feel sorry I live in a flat. I like it, it's quite normal and it's an appropriate size for our household. It would be completely impractical for everyone in the UK to buy their own land and install their own solar and wind generators. (But you know that and I'm guessing you just wanted to throw in another cengland0 red herring as it's your style of debate). It obviously makes more sense to have economies of scale: the question is about the optimum scale for sustainable production and distribution of energy. Even more obviously we should all be aiming to reduce our consumption. Please show me where I "completely discount the costs" of renewable energy as you allege - or is this yet another thing you've made up? 3) I note you're using the allegation that you're not a "controlling" person and you don't know how much Mrs cengland0 earns as your excuse not to address the anomaly of your household benefitting from the system you claim to despise. At the very least you could try and persuade her round to your way of thinking. After all, it's not like you need the money and it would be a principled libertarian stand to take. I don't know if she will, but wouldn't it be awful if she took a pension made up of tax dollars from all those hard-working people who despise that system? Doesn't bear thinking about. 4) Yes. 7) & 9) AWOO! AWOO! Inconsistency alert! You say you aim to live a lifestyle with low impact, but "could care less" about reducing your food miles. Your justification for this particular inconsistency is the plant life on your properties. Did you plant them all yourself or would there be barren patches all over Florida without the benificent ownership of cengland0? If the trees/plants wouuld have been there anyway you can't claim credit for them just by dint of ownership. And even if you were in fact a latter-day Johnny Appleseed, your claim to be aiming for a low-impact lifestyle would be more believable if you also aimed to reduce your food miles. As it stands, it just sounds like humbug.
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1) there will be some CO2 cost in producing and disposing of the solar panels, producing and disposing of the car and producing the eletricity for the car to run on. I repeat: they may contribute less but they don't solve it. I don't need to educate you on something I didn't claim in the first place. You berate others with "Can't you read?" comments - do try to practise what you preach. 2) No need to feel sorry I live in a flat. I like it, it's quite normal and it's an appropriate size for our household. It would be completely impractical for everyone in the UK to buy their own land and install their own solar and wind generators. (But you know that and I'm guessing you just wanted to throw in another cengland0 red herring as it's your style of debate). It obviously makes more sense to have economies of scale: the question is about the optimum scale for sustainable production and distribution of energy. Even more obviously we should all be aiming to reduce our consumption. Please show me where I "completely discount the costs" of renewable energy as you allege - or is this yet another thing you've made up? 3) I note you're using the allegation that you're not a "controlling" person and you don't know how much Mrs cengland0 earns as your excuse not to address the anomaly of your household benefitting from the system you claim to despise. At the very least you could try and persuade her round to your way of thinking. After all, it's not like you need the money and it would be a principled libertarian stand to take. I don't know if she will, but wouldn't it be awful if she took a pension made up of tax dollars from all those hard-working people who despise that system? Doesn't bear thinking about. 4) Yes. 7) & 9) AWOO! AWOO! Inconsistency alert! You say you aim to live a lifestyle with low impact, but "could care less" about reducing your food miles. Your justification for this particular inconsistency is the plant life on your properties. Did you plant them all yourself or would there be barren patches all over Florida without the benificent ownership of cengland0? If the trees/plants wouuld have been there anyway you can't claim credit for them just by dint of ownership. And even if you were in fact a latter-day Johnny Appleseed, your claim to be aiming for a low-impact lifestyle would be more believable if you also aimed to reduce your food miles. As it stands, it just sounds like humbug.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2685 days ago)
You may have misunderstood me. I do have a low CO2 footprint but not because that's my aim. I just happen to have a lifestyle that allows for it. Low energy consumption is a goal due to costs of energy not due to me trying to reduce CO2. If electricity was free or extremely cheap, I wouldn't have worried to buy lower energy devices. The Trane 19i air conditioner was bought at a premium because of it's energy efficiency and I definitely would have bought a cheaper one if I didn't have to pay for the electricity.
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You may have misunderstood me. I do have a low CO2 footprint but not because that's my aim. I just happen to have a lifestyle that allows for it. Low energy consumption is a goal due to costs of energy not due to me trying to reduce CO2. If electricity was free or extremely cheap, I wouldn't have worried to buy lower energy devices. The Trane 19i air conditioner was bought at a premium because of it's energy efficiency and I definitely would have bought a cheaper one if I didn't have to pay for the electricity.
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TheBob TheBob (2685 days ago)
My point 7) "Yes I am part of the problem but not as big a part as some people and I actively try to live a low-impact lifestyle. Can you say the same?" Your point 7) "Yes, I can say the same about my impact on the environment." Now, that lead me to believe you were aiming for a low-impact lifestyle. I now understand your motivation is money and you don't give a monkey's about the environment (or you *would* be aiming for a low impact.) Glad we've sorted that out. Now, have you had that chat yet with your wife?
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My point 7) "Yes I am part of the problem but not as big a part as some people and I actively try to live a low-impact lifestyle. Can you say the same?" Your point 7) "Yes, I can say the same about my impact on the environment." Now, that lead me to believe you were aiming for a low-impact lifestyle. I now understand your motivation is money and you don't give a monkey's about the environment (or you *would* be aiming for a low impact.) Glad we've sorted that out. Now, have you had that chat yet with your wife?
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cengland0 cengland0 (2685 days ago)
I care about the environment but I am not going to change my lifestyle to be worse than it is now based on unproven ideas. Actually, even if it is proven that human caused CO2 is going to kill us all, I'm not sure that I'd change that much. I'm already doing pretty good with my impact so there isn't much more that I could do. I'm sure you agree if I stop eating bananas imported from other countries that it would have such an insignificant impact, if any at all, on the CO2 levels that it's not worth going without bananas.
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I care about the environment but I am not going to change my lifestyle to be worse than it is now based on unproven ideas. Actually, even if it is proven that human caused CO2 is going to kill us all, I'm not sure that I'd change that much. I'm already doing pretty good with my impact so there isn't much more that I could do. I'm sure you agree if I stop eating bananas imported from other countries that it would have such an insignificant impact, if any at all, on the CO2 levels that it's not worth going without bananas.
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TheBob TheBob (2685 days ago)
Latest comment: I think I'm going bananas trying to reason with you. You say you care - but do nothing to change your lifestyle as you don't think there's proof of human-caused climate change. I'm sure we both agree aeroplanes and cars use fuel. The amount of that fuel is finite. The more it's used, the faster it gets used up. And yes, if one banker in Florida stops eating bananas, it won't make a lot of difference - but the more people living a sustainable lifestyle, the greater the difference and the longer the fuel will last. I think that's what we should all be aiming for as responsible citizens of this finite world. Yes, driving a Prius, having low energy appliances and the rest could mean your impact is low compared to other Americans, but that's like saying "This elephant isn't as heavy as that elephant". They're both elephants and they're both heavy. I don't think you're justified in saying "there isn't much more that I could do." Now, have you had that chat with your wife yet?
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Latest comment: I think I'm going bananas trying to reason with you. You say you care - but do nothing to change your lifestyle as you don't think there's proof of human-caused climate change. I'm sure we both agree aeroplanes and cars use fuel. The amount of that fuel is finite. The more it's used, the faster it gets used up. And yes, if one banker in Florida stops eating bananas, it won't make a lot of difference - but the more people living a sustainable lifestyle, the greater the difference and the longer the fuel will last. I think that's what we should all be aiming for as responsible citizens of this finite world. Yes, driving a Prius, having low energy appliances and the rest could mean your impact is low compared to other Americans, but that's like saying "This elephant isn't as heavy as that elephant". They're both elephants and they're both heavy. I don't think you're justified in saying "there isn't much more that I could do." Now, have you had that chat with your wife yet?
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
if the message doesn't come across to the receiver the way the transmitter intended it to, the transmitter has to change the way that message is delivered so that the receiver can interpret the idea of the message the way the transmitter intended initially. It's not his fault for not understanding what you meant to say, it's your own fault for not knowing how to say it; and this "you didn't get it" excuse is perfect for the times you get defeated by your own logic, but it doesn't stick to the ones who know a bit about how communication is suppose to work. Just wanted to point that out for the readers.
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if the message doesn't come across to the receiver the way the transmitter intended it to, the transmitter has to change the way that message is delivered so that the receiver can interpret the idea of the message the way the transmitter intended initially. It's not his fault for not understanding what you meant to say, it's your own fault for not knowing how to say it; and this "you didn't get it" excuse is perfect for the times you get defeated by your own logic, but it doesn't stick to the ones who know a bit about how communication is suppose to work. Just wanted to point that out for the readers.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (2686 days ago)
Humans weren't around 200,000 and 400,000 years ago. And climatic changes were much slower so species had a chance to move, adapt or go extinct. Our climatic needs today are very different. We have cities on coastlines and crops to grow. And we have human-induced climate change playing out over decades, rather than natural climate change over thousands of years.
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Humans weren't around 200,000 and 400,000 years ago. And climatic changes were much slower so species had a chance to move, adapt or go extinct. Our climatic needs today are very different. We have cities on coastlines and crops to grow. And we have human-induced climate change playing out over decades, rather than natural climate change over thousands of years.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
How is the climate change that we are experiencing any different than what happend 200,000 and 400,000 years ago when we did not exist? There are desserts that once were flourishing oasis's and now have no life. Humans did not cause that and we will continue to see climate changes throughout our existence on this planet. That doesn't mean we are the cause of it all.
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How is the climate change that we are experiencing any different than what happend 200,000 and 400,000 years ago when we did not exist? There are desserts that once were flourishing oasis's and now have no life. Humans did not cause that and we will continue to see climate changes throughout our existence on this planet. That doesn't mean we are the cause of it all.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (2686 days ago)
Climate change is happening much faster today. As I said, over decades rather than thousands of years, excepting of course natural catastrophes like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. The planet has warmed 2 degrees since the industrial revolution and we have a good idea how much fossil fuels have been burnt, and how greenhouse gases trap heat. The details are best left to the experts since they know better than you or me.
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Climate change is happening much faster today. As I said, over decades rather than thousands of years, excepting of course natural catastrophes like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. The planet has warmed 2 degrees since the industrial revolution and we have a good idea how much fossil fuels have been burnt, and how greenhouse gases trap heat. The details are best left to the experts since they know better than you or me.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
WalterEgo , whenever you have the time please look at the videos in this playlist LINK . I recommend it to everyone interested in the Debunking in Climate Change Myths. It's great ammo.
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WalterEgo , whenever you have the time please look at the videos in this playlist LINK . I recommend it to everyone interested in the Debunking in Climate Change Myths. It's great ammo.
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (2686 days ago)
Thanks, that's a great list. I've seen some of Potholer54's videos before, and I have to say they are very compelling.
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Thanks, that's a great list. I've seen some of Potholer54's videos before, and I have to say they are very compelling.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
the list has all the videos by potholer54 on climate change, and the videos debunk almost every excuse that a denialist might summon. I know it's long, but save it somewhere so you can watch it when you have the time. I recommend this to everybody reading this.
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the list has all the videos by potholer54 on climate change, and the videos debunk almost every excuse that a denialist might summon. I know it's long, but save it somewhere so you can watch it when you have the time. I recommend this to everybody reading this.
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Guest: global warmcooling (2686 days ago)
yes but the problem is that global warming has stopped and all those scientists cant explain why
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yes but the problem is that global warming has stopped and all those scientists cant explain why
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Guest: (2686 days ago)
tell that to the people in Oklahoma and Hungary. the date is 12.06.2013.
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tell that to the people in Oklahoma and Hungary. the date is 12.06.2013.
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Guest: skiing in france in june!!!!!! (2686 days ago)
best to go skiing in france then
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best to go skiing in france then
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Guest: (2686 days ago)
i guess so! global, warming? what global warming? it's snowing in France so take that you climate change fanatics.
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i guess so! global, warming? what global warming? it's snowing in France so take that you climate change fanatics.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2686 days ago)
you must have missed this video in the list LINK ""Global warming has stopped? Again?? ""
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you must have missed this video in the list LINK ""Global warming has stopped? Again?? ""
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cengland0 cengland0 (2686 days ago)
True that there was a 2 degree increase but we just came out of the little ice age. Does that 2 degree change include the very cold temperature of that little ice age? Regarding the details being left to the experts, who would you consider to be the formost authority on this subject? Al Gore?
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True that there was a 2 degree increase but we just came out of the little ice age. Does that 2 degree change include the very cold temperature of that little ice age? Regarding the details being left to the experts, who would you consider to be the formost authority on this subject? Al Gore?
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WalterEgo WalterEgo (2686 days ago)
The 2 degree F rise is from the beginning of the industrial revolution, about 150 years ago, to today. And no I don't consider Al Gore as an expert. The experts are the peer reviewed climate scientists working on the issue today, like those in the survey.
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The 2 degree F rise is from the beginning of the industrial revolution, about 150 years ago, to today. And no I don't consider Al Gore as an expert. The experts are the peer reviewed climate scientists working on the issue today, like those in the survey.
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Guest: Capriciosa (2686 days ago)
people like you make me think that Democracy and free speech are Bullshit!
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people like you make me think that Democracy and free speech are Bullshit!
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