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What the US Constitution says about treason

What the US Constitution says about treason

(7:31) American political analyst and host of The Last Word Lawrence O'Donnell looks at how the US Constitution defines treason, and whether it can therefore be applied to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.

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Guest: Guestaaah (2652 days ago)
Well said.
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Well said.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2651 days ago)
hey Cengland0! what do you think about this boreme clip?
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hey Cengland0! what do you think about this boreme clip?
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Guest: guest123456789 (2648 days ago)
... Ahem!
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... Ahem!
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cengland0 cengland0 (2648 days ago)
You do realize that I don't get a notification when someone mentions my username, right? Anyway, this video has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It only seems to care about the word treason and it being defined in the constitution. It mentions nothing about other federal and local laws created by our congress that are also constitutional that could have been broken by Snowden.
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You do realize that I don't get a notification when someone mentions my username, right? Anyway, this video has nothing to do with the issue at hand. It only seems to care about the word treason and it being defined in the constitution. It mentions nothing about other federal and local laws created by our congress that are also constitutional that could have been broken by Snowden.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2648 days ago)
you do know that on the Boreme homepage you can see the latest comments and someone mentioning your username should get your attention, as it did, since you eventually responded. Even though the video doesn't treat the issue at hand, do you think he should be tried for treason? do you think that what was presented in the video in regards to the word treason is correct?
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you do know that on the Boreme homepage you can see the latest comments and someone mentioning your username should get your attention, as it did, since you eventually responded. Even though the video doesn't treat the issue at hand, do you think he should be tried for treason? do you think that what was presented in the video in regards to the word treason is correct?
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cengland0 cengland0 (2648 days ago)
Do you think he is being tried for treason? I thought he was being accused of breaking the law by releasing non-public information. Did you know that I can also be tried if I release non public information from the Bank I work for? Every year I have to reaffirm my agreements with the company that I will not release certain information and can be prosecuted if I do. I'm more than certain people working for the NSA also have laws and policies they agreed to in order to keep particular information away from the public. If he violated these laws, he may have to go through a trial. Whether he is found guilty or not is a completely different story.
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Do you think he is being tried for treason? I thought he was being accused of breaking the law by releasing non-public information. Did you know that I can also be tried if I release non public information from the Bank I work for? Every year I have to reaffirm my agreements with the company that I will not release certain information and can be prosecuted if I do. I'm more than certain people working for the NSA also have laws and policies they agreed to in order to keep particular information away from the public. If he violated these laws, he may have to go through a trial. Whether he is found guilty or not is a completely different story.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2648 days ago)
the right wing media is/was trying to make a case for Snowden to be tried for treason. I don't think that he is being tried for treason, but i was wondering if you think if he should be tried for treason... since you're from the right. So? should he get tried for treason?do you think that what was presented in the video in regards to the word treason is correct?
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the right wing media is/was trying to make a case for Snowden to be tried for treason. I don't think that he is being tried for treason, but i was wondering if you think if he should be tried for treason... since you're from the right. So? should he get tried for treason?do you think that what was presented in the video in regards to the word treason is correct?
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cengland0 cengland0 (2648 days ago)
Obviously as the video explains, you cannot be tried for treason unless we declared war. Since we have no official enemies, he will not be tried for treason. He should be tried for the other crimes he is being accused. By the way, an economic view of being right or left wing has nothing to do with someone's punishment for a crime.
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Obviously as the video explains, you cannot be tried for treason unless we declared war. Since we have no official enemies, he will not be tried for treason. He should be tried for the other crimes he is being accused. By the way, an economic view of being right or left wing has nothing to do with someone's punishment for a crime.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
agreed! nevertheless, the right wing media is pushing the idea that he should be tried for treason, which is why this video was created.
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agreed! nevertheless, the right wing media is pushing the idea that he should be tried for treason, which is why this video was created.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
He is definitely not innocent. He disclosed secret information to the public which can then be used by terrorists to avoid detection and to commit more murders on US soil. He also revealed that the US was involved in hacking China. Of course we know China is doing that to us too but it is never publicly confirmed by either side.
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He is definitely not innocent. He disclosed secret information to the public which can then be used by terrorists to avoid detection and to commit more murders on US soil. He also revealed that the US was involved in hacking China. Of course we know China is doing that to us too but it is never publicly confirmed by either side.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
this other boreme video says that you might not be right on that either LINK . he might just be innocent.
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this other boreme video says that you might not be right on that either LINK . he might just be innocent.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
I have to disagree with that other video. He says what the NSA was doing is clearly illegal but cannot back that up. What law was the NSA breaking? Remember in the beginning of the video it stated the NSA was working under court order so that makes it legal. It's like getting a judge to sign a search warrant makes it legal for the cops to search your house. Congress and other legal experts have stated what Snowden did was illegal. You are not a lawyer, right? So what makes you the expert to counter what members of Congress, who are law makers and made of many former lawyers?
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I have to disagree with that other video. He says what the NSA was doing is clearly illegal but cannot back that up. What law was the NSA breaking? Remember in the beginning of the video it stated the NSA was working under court order so that makes it legal. It's like getting a judge to sign a search warrant makes it legal for the cops to search your house. Congress and other legal experts have stated what Snowden did was illegal. You are not a lawyer, right? So what makes you the expert to counter what members of Congress, who are law makers and made of many former lawyers?
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
in this other video he mentions that the ACLU has a lawsuit against the US government that is about that those laws that make the NSA program "legal" are unconstitutional. The answers to your questions start at 03:30 in this other video. I'll relink it so we don't get confused LINK
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in this other video he mentions that the ACLU has a lawsuit against the US government that is about that those laws that make the NSA program "legal" are unconstitutional. The answers to your questions start at 03:30 in this other video. I'll relink it so we don't get confused LINK
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
I heard that and until the courts show that the ACLU is right, then the NSA program remains legal. It was legal at the time Snowden released secret information so he did break the law. I doubt the ACLU will be successful in their lawsuit because companies like Yahoo resisted and were forced by the courts to comply. The courts have the power to force companies to turn over information through subpoenas and search warrants (and probably other means).
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I heard that and until the courts show that the ACLU is right, then the NSA program remains legal. It was legal at the time Snowden released secret information so he did break the law. I doubt the ACLU will be successful in their lawsuit because companies like Yahoo resisted and were forced by the courts to comply. The courts have the power to force companies to turn over information through subpoenas and search warrants (and probably other means).
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
i suspect this trial will go to the supreme court. we'll just have to wait and see. My bet is that the supreme court will say that NDAA and the patriot acts are constitutional, even though it's not right, but even so, the guy in the video also mentions section 215. explanation starts at 04:30 in the video.
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i suspect this trial will go to the supreme court. we'll just have to wait and see. My bet is that the supreme court will say that NDAA and the patriot acts are constitutional, even though it's not right, but even so, the guy in the video also mentions section 215. explanation starts at 04:30 in the video.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
Section 215 is not illegal if there is a court order as specified in the 4th amendment. The NSA obtained a court order. Regarding Snowden's case getting to the supreme court, that's my whole point. He needs to be tried for his suspected crimes. If it is determined that he did everything legally, he goes free. He probably feels he did something wrong and that's why he's hiding out. If he felt he could be shown to be not guilty, he would have turned himself in a long time ago.
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Section 215 is not illegal if there is a court order as specified in the 4th amendment. The NSA obtained a court order. Regarding Snowden's case getting to the supreme court, that's my whole point. He needs to be tried for his suspected crimes. If it is determined that he did everything legally, he goes free. He probably feels he did something wrong and that's why he's hiding out. If he felt he could be shown to be not guilty, he would have turned himself in a long time ago.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
that's not what the guy said about section 215. He said that the government is required to provide facts to show that the information that they are gathering relates to a foreign intelligence or terrorism investigation; he goes on to point out that it is impossible to provide facts that prove that every citizen in the USA is having his privacy invaded because he is a terrorist suspect. I am sure that snowden is running because he found that in the USA the law is worthless and not because he did something wrong; the only thing he did wrong is to piss off the wrong people. It's like the Mafia.
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that's not what the guy said about section 215. He said that the government is required to provide facts to show that the information that they are gathering relates to a foreign intelligence or terrorism investigation; he goes on to point out that it is impossible to provide facts that prove that every citizen in the USA is having his privacy invaded because he is a terrorist suspect. I am sure that snowden is running because he found that in the USA the law is worthless and not because he did something wrong; the only thing he did wrong is to piss off the wrong people. It's like the Mafia.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
I heard that in the video and didn't understand the Verizon issue. Perhaps they made Verizon turn over all the meta data records they collected on which people called other people. Think that is a violation of section 215? Could it be that they cannot tell Verizon specific criteria that they are looking for since it is still secret so they need all the records so they can filter it themselves? Do you have details of what information is being given to the NSA and which pieces are being saved? If not, then you are making assumptions again.
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I heard that in the video and didn't understand the Verizon issue. Perhaps they made Verizon turn over all the meta data records they collected on which people called other people. Think that is a violation of section 215? Could it be that they cannot tell Verizon specific criteria that they are looking for since it is still secret so they need all the records so they can filter it themselves? Do you have details of what information is being given to the NSA and which pieces are being saved? If not, then you are making assumptions again.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
well yes, glad you asked! the information exists and it has been published by the guardian after Snowden blew the whistle on the NSA. Your rationalizations and excuses do not constitute ""facts to show that the information that they are gathering relates to a foreign intelligence or terrorism investigation"" so they did not have a legal basis for that court order. In a civilized country (which is what the USA use to be) you investigate someone, you provide some proof that the person investigated might be a terrorist and you get a court order to "monitor" that person in particular; in a civilized country you do not get a court order with no legal basis to spy and record all the information fo every single US and Foreign citizen, because everybody might be a terrorist. Suppose the definition of terrorist changes with the election of a new president and suppose that you fit the terrorist profile at that point in time: wouldn't it be convenient if all of your boreme posts can be used against you to prove you're views are those of a terrorist?? it most definitely would.
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well yes, glad you asked! the information exists and it has been published by the guardian after Snowden blew the whistle on the NSA. Your rationalizations and excuses do not constitute ""facts to show that the information that they are gathering relates to a foreign intelligence or terrorism investigation"" so they did not have a legal basis for that court order. In a civilized country (which is what the USA use to be) you investigate someone, you provide some proof that the person investigated might be a terrorist and you get a court order to "monitor" that person in particular; in a civilized country you do not get a court order with no legal basis to spy and record all the information fo every single US and Foreign citizen, because everybody might be a terrorist. Suppose the definition of terrorist changes with the election of a new president and suppose that you fit the terrorist profile at that point in time: wouldn't it be convenient if all of your boreme posts can be used against you to prove you're views are those of a terrorist?? it most definitely would.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
I have no problem with the government or my employer or my friends using my comments on any social media or other public area. If I yell something across the hall at the mall, I have no problem if that is used either. So you think you still know more about constitutional law than congress and our supreme courts when you state that the court order has no legal basis. Seems a bit bold of you to make a statement like that. As for me, I let the law makers (a.k.a., congress and the supreme court) know about what is legal and what is not. When the UCLA loses their case, you will see then that it is legal.
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I have no problem with the government or my employer or my friends using my comments on any social media or other public area. If I yell something across the hall at the mall, I have no problem if that is used either. So you think you still know more about constitutional law than congress and our supreme courts when you state that the court order has no legal basis. Seems a bit bold of you to make a statement like that. As for me, I let the law makers (a.k.a., congress and the supreme court) know about what is legal and what is not. When the UCLA loses their case, you will see then that it is legal.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
wt...? UCLA? Suppose the definition of terrorist changes....you fit the terrorist profile....your boreme posts can be used against you! you must have missed that part. UCLA? really? you must think you're really smart don't you? anyway... i'll end it here. there's no point in arguing with you.
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wt...? UCLA? Suppose the definition of terrorist changes....you fit the terrorist profile....your boreme posts can be used against you! you must have missed that part. UCLA? really? you must think you're really smart don't you? anyway... i'll end it here. there's no point in arguing with you.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2647 days ago)
That was supposed to be ACLU not UCLA. Same characters, just typed in the wrong order. My bad. Do you want me to start mentioning every typo and grammatical error that you make from now on?
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That was supposed to be ACLU not UCLA. Same characters, just typed in the wrong order. My bad. Do you want me to start mentioning every typo and grammatical error that you make from now on?
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
though you were messing with me... still do. BTW, Did you know that according to your government LINK you might fall under the category of "right wing extremist" ? good thing the NSA has all of your comments, all of your emails, phone calls, bank accounts, etc... Everything on you... just in case they might want to include commenting on the internet in their list of "terrorist activities". Turns out you could be labeled as a terrorist by the US government and they already have all the data on you to make their case... if they should choose to do so (they have all the data on anyone for that matter). You might just be the 51st terrorist that they stop thanks to their PRISM program. So much for the Constitution of the USA, eh? Good luck with those lawmakers of yours who know what's legal and what's not.
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though you were messing with me... still do. BTW, Did you know that according to your government LINK you might fall under the category of "right wing extremist" ? good thing the NSA has all of your comments, all of your emails, phone calls, bank accounts, etc... Everything on you... just in case they might want to include commenting on the internet in their list of "terrorist activities". Turns out you could be labeled as a terrorist by the US government and they already have all the data on you to make their case... if they should choose to do so (they have all the data on anyone for that matter). You might just be the 51st terrorist that they stop thanks to their PRISM program. So much for the Constitution of the USA, eh? Good luck with those lawmakers of yours who know what's legal and what's not.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2646 days ago)
Anything I do in the public is available for view by anyone in the public and I'm aware of that. The NSA does not have the contents of all my email messages. They may have some but not all. I do use encryption technology to prevent anyone other than the destination from reading certain important information. If you look at the list here starting at page 20, LINK you will see the list of words that are monitored by the NSA on social media sites.
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Anything I do in the public is available for view by anyone in the public and I'm aware of that. The NSA does not have the contents of all my email messages. They may have some but not all. I do use encryption technology to prevent anyone other than the destination from reading certain important information. If you look at the list here starting at page 20, LINK you will see the list of words that are monitored by the NSA on social media sites.
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Guest: guest123456789 (2646 days ago)
yeah, right! this Snowden guy didn't actually whistle blow on everything the NSA does you know. I'm pretty sure there's a record on you over at the NSA in the "right wing extremist" category. You're gonna go to Guantanamo soon enough.
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yeah, right! this Snowden guy didn't actually whistle blow on everything the NSA does you know. I'm pretty sure there's a record on you over at the NSA in the "right wing extremist" category. You're gonna go to Guantanamo soon enough.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2646 days ago)
That's because he doesn't know everything the NSA does. He was only a systems administrator. Most secret government agencies allow you the minimum knowledge to do your job and that's it. I don't care what information the NSA has on me. It's public knowledge anyway. My private life remains private.
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That's because he doesn't know everything the NSA does. He was only a systems administrator. Most secret government agencies allow you the minimum knowledge to do your job and that's it. I don't care what information the NSA has on me. It's public knowledge anyway. My private life remains private.
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Guest: NSA (2646 days ago)
"My private life remains private. " i doubt that! Duck porn lately?we already know. That time when you paid that tranny for "sexual therapy" ?we know about it. Remember when you were 11 and you spanked your monkey thinking about the teacher? the NSA knows about it. Wave to your webcam, we're watching you!! and you're on our Potential home grown terrorists list! ups, shouldn't have said that.
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"My private life remains private. " i doubt that! Duck porn lately?we already know. That time when you paid that tranny for "sexual therapy" ?we know about it. Remember when you were 11 and you spanked your monkey thinking about the teacher? the NSA knows about it. Wave to your webcam, we're watching you!! and you're on our Potential home grown terrorists list! ups, shouldn't have said that.
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Guest: Realist (2646 days ago)
This goes much deeper than that. Not only does the NSA know what you've been looking at, but they can predict what you will do and look at. Datamining is used intensely by marketing companies, but their scope is limited to Social Media like Facebook or search engines like Google. Imagine taking every transaction that you've done, phone call time/target/location you've made and mix it in with the above. They don't need to spy on you. They know what you are doing before you do it. This is not paranoia, this is statistical mathematics.
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This goes much deeper than that. Not only does the NSA know what you've been looking at, but they can predict what you will do and look at. Datamining is used intensely by marketing companies, but their scope is limited to Social Media like Facebook or search engines like Google. Imagine taking every transaction that you've done, phone call time/target/location you've made and mix it in with the above. They don't need to spy on you. They know what you are doing before you do it. This is not paranoia, this is statistical mathematics.
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Guest: NSA (2645 days ago)
shut up or expect some mysterious cancer. You've been warn.
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shut up or expect some mysterious cancer. You've been warn.
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Latest comment: warned*
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Latest comment: warned*
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Guest: guest123456789 (2647 days ago)
... fuucckk meee! i should reread my comments before posting! it's like a moron wrote the one above! shhiitt!!
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... fuucckk meee! i should reread my comments before posting! it's like a moron wrote the one above! shhiitt!!
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