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Private prisons take no vacancies

Private prisons take no vacancies

(3:02) Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) is America's biggest for-profit prison company with locked-up human beings its revenue stream. Like a hotel, it strives to fill all rooms. www.aclu.org/CCA

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Well, of course a privatized prison will cost more, because of the profit made by the company, and paid for with tax dollars. They are similarly motivated to spend fewer dollars training their guards, so naturally you can expect a much higher rate of human rights abuses at the hands of untrained, minimum wage prison guards. The measure of a free society is the treatment of its prisoners, and by such measure, there's nothing "free" about the US at all. We can't very well claim to embody freedom when we lock up more people than any other nation.
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Well, of course a privatized prison will cost more, because of the profit made by the company, and paid for with tax dollars. They are similarly motivated to spend fewer dollars training their guards, so naturally you can expect a much higher rate of human rights abuses at the hands of untrained, minimum wage prison guards. The measure of a free society is the treatment of its prisoners, and by such measure, there's nothing "free" about the US at all. We can't very well claim to embody freedom when we lock up more people than any other nation.
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dananddiana dananddiana (2977 days ago)
Human rights abuses?? The "humans" you are talking about abused someone else's rights to end up where they are. why on earth should we be concerned about THEIR rights? As far as I am concerned, they lost their rights when they decided to take away someone elses. Prison should be a punishment not a home away from home. Whoever said that the measure of a society is the treatment of it's prisoners..... Was talking out of their backside. The measure of a society, a FREE society is how safe their people feel, Is compassion and equality and toleration and human rights and fair punishment for people who disrespect those things by breaking the law. Giving prisoners a comfy home with TV's, game systems and all the other perks disguised as "rehabilitation" ; actually just makes them feel that the Punishment isn't too bad and it is no longer a deterrent! If I was to give my child all of those perks while they were grounded, do you think it would work?...me neither. everyone would think I was an idiot and tell me to take away all perks, and they would be right. How come we reverse this logic with criminals?
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Human rights abuses?? The "humans" you are talking about abused someone else's rights to end up where they are. why on earth should we be concerned about THEIR rights? As far as I am concerned, they lost their rights when they decided to take away someone elses. Prison should be a punishment not a home away from home. Whoever said that the measure of a society is the treatment of it's prisoners..... Was talking out of their backside. The measure of a society, a FREE society is how safe their people feel, Is compassion and equality and toleration and human rights and fair punishment for people who disrespect those things by breaking the law. Giving prisoners a comfy home with TV's, game systems and all the other perks disguised as "rehabilitation" ; actually just makes them feel that the Punishment isn't too bad and it is no longer a deterrent! If I was to give my child all of those perks while they were grounded, do you think it would work?...me neither. everyone would think I was an idiot and tell me to take away all perks, and they would be right. How come we reverse this logic with criminals?
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cengland0 cengland0 (2978 days ago)
To be clear, we do not lock people up to purposely make profits for private companies. We lock people up because they broke the law and that was their assigned punishment through the courts of law. The fact that the prisons are privatized does not mean we need to lock up more people and does not mean we have to keep a 90% occupancy rate. What that means is if we get below the 90%, we will transfer more prisoners from a state owned prison or pay them for the empty bed. This 90% is important for the private company because nobody wants to invest in the infrastructure and then have the state not use their services. Money would be lost so the contract guarantees a minimum income for the private company which allows them to make a profit so they invest in the buildings and training of guards. And, by the way, the guards make much more than minimum wage. Florida Average Hourly Prison Guard Salary $11 - $17. LINK
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To be clear, we do not lock people up to purposely make profits for private companies. We lock people up because they broke the law and that was their assigned punishment through the courts of law. The fact that the prisons are privatized does not mean we need to lock up more people and does not mean we have to keep a 90% occupancy rate. What that means is if we get below the 90%, we will transfer more prisoners from a state owned prison or pay them for the empty bed. This 90% is important for the private company because nobody wants to invest in the infrastructure and then have the state not use their services. Money would be lost so the contract guarantees a minimum income for the private company which allows them to make a profit so they invest in the buildings and training of guards. And, by the way, the guards make much more than minimum wage. Florida Average Hourly Prison Guard Salary $11 - $17. LINK
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Guest: Hrtle55 (2978 days ago)
Do you believe there is no conflict of interests, between a Private Prison lobbying for hasher sentences, when it's profit margin is based on occupancy? I would have no issue with this situation, if the company itself was not trying to influence the law makers, which in turn guides the courts towards what the punishment should be.
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Do you believe there is no conflict of interests, between a Private Prison lobbying for hasher sentences, when it's profit margin is based on occupancy? I would have no issue with this situation, if the company itself was not trying to influence the law makers, which in turn guides the courts towards what the punishment should be.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2978 days ago)
First, their profitability is not necessarily based on occupancy because they are guaranteed to be paid for a minimum of 90% of the beds regardless if they are occupied or not. Obviously if they are 100% occupied, they will make 10% more profit but that's a maximum of 10% more. Regarding your question if there is a conflict of interest, I could say yes but that's no different than Disney lobbying to get the copyright laws changed because the Mickey Mouse was copyrighted and was about to expire. It was extended because of the lobbying and Disney continues to make profits off Mickey Mouse.
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First, their profitability is not necessarily based on occupancy because they are guaranteed to be paid for a minimum of 90% of the beds regardless if they are occupied or not. Obviously if they are 100% occupied, they will make 10% more profit but that's a maximum of 10% more. Regarding your question if there is a conflict of interest, I could say yes but that's no different than Disney lobbying to get the copyright laws changed because the Mickey Mouse was copyrighted and was about to expire. It was extended because of the lobbying and Disney continues to make profits off Mickey Mouse.
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Guest: Hrtle55 (2978 days ago)
Agreed, however the subject of Disney lobbying for copyrights, compared to influence over sentencing and length of jail terms is a very different matter. 10% of the billion plus profit already made is a massive amount. No 'for profit company' in their right mind would turn their noses up to an additional 10% increase in profit. This is where I believe the conflict of interest lies. I do believe in long term sentences but for the right reasons. The victim/s of a crime should be at the centre of the Criminal Justice System.
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Agreed, however the subject of Disney lobbying for copyrights, compared to influence over sentencing and length of jail terms is a very different matter. 10% of the billion plus profit already made is a massive amount. No 'for profit company' in their right mind would turn their noses up to an additional 10% increase in profit. This is where I believe the conflict of interest lies. I do believe in long term sentences but for the right reasons. The victim/s of a crime should be at the centre of the Criminal Justice System.
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cengland0 cengland0 (2978 days ago)
Actually, I stated that incorrectly. It's a 10% increase in revenue, not profit. Profit is revenue minus expenses. If they occupy more beds, they may have to pay more for food, electricity, water, sewage, and more guards. Might not be a full 10% increase in profit. But even if it was, that's still the maximum increase they would ever have and it would never go higher in the 20 years the contract is for.
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Actually, I stated that incorrectly. It's a 10% increase in revenue, not profit. Profit is revenue minus expenses. If they occupy more beds, they may have to pay more for food, electricity, water, sewage, and more guards. Might not be a full 10% increase in profit. But even if it was, that's still the maximum increase they would ever have and it would never go higher in the 20 years the contract is for.
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MyName MyName (2978 days ago)
It is still unethical whatever numbers you juggle, the numbers are irrelevant. The point is, these companies are lobbying and influencing changes to laws so that they can increase their profit/turnover. That is by taking away people's liberty. There's is clearly a moral conflict there. The US prison population stats are shocking. There's an interesting table in this link, look where the 'Land of the free' resides in that table.. LINK (Highest prison population and highest per 100,000 people).
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It is still unethical whatever numbers you juggle, the numbers are irrelevant. The point is, these companies are lobbying and influencing changes to laws so that they can increase their profit/turnover. That is by taking away people's liberty. There's is clearly a moral conflict there. The US prison population stats are shocking. There's an interesting table in this link, look where the 'Land of the free' resides in that table.. LINK (Highest prison population and highest per 100,000 people).
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cengland0 cengland0 (2978 days ago)
I agree that our prison populations are high and that can easily be fixed by decriminalizing drugs. Make drugs legal and tax them. The state will get more tax dollars and the prisons will have fewer people in them. Due to the War on Drugs, drug offenders in federal prison had increased to 500,000 per year which is up from 41,000 in 1985. Drug related charges account for more than half the rise in prisoners. 31 million people have been arrested on drug related charges.
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I agree that our prison populations are high and that can easily be fixed by decriminalizing drugs. Make drugs legal and tax them. The state will get more tax dollars and the prisons will have fewer people in them. Due to the War on Drugs, drug offenders in federal prison had increased to 500,000 per year which is up from 41,000 in 1985. Drug related charges account for more than half the rise in prisoners. 31 million people have been arrested on drug related charges.
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MyName MyName (2978 days ago)
I think you have a point but spectacularly miss (avoid) the point. Drugs are a problem the world over but granted, the US 'war on drugs' is a special kind of crazy. It doesn't explain the extremely high numbers of the US prison population. (Decriminalising drugs would still leave you with the highest prison population by far). I'd like to see the demographics of your average prisoner. Seems more like the usual War on the Impoverished. Profit is King. Free market is King. Stuff the little man, fill the pockets of the 1%
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I think you have a point but spectacularly miss (avoid) the point. Drugs are a problem the world over but granted, the US 'war on drugs' is a special kind of crazy. It doesn't explain the extremely high numbers of the US prison population. (Decriminalising drugs would still leave you with the highest prison population by far). I'd like to see the demographics of your average prisoner. Seems more like the usual War on the Impoverished. Profit is King. Free market is King. Stuff the little man, fill the pockets of the 1%
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cengland0 cengland0 (2978 days ago)
There are probably more poor people in prison than the rich but only because the poor people are caught doing more crimes. How many rich people break into homes to steal stuff that doesn't belong to them? Probably not many. Unfortunately there's the part about the super rich getting away with murder because they can afford a high price legal team but that's really a small percentage. But what would you suggest to prevent that from happening? Not allow them to use all their legal resources available to them? At least the poor people are given a lawyer for free if they cannot afford one. I believe Casey Anthony fit into that situation and her public lawyer was able to put reasonable doubt into the jury. So there's nothing to fix there.
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There are probably more poor people in prison than the rich but only because the poor people are caught doing more crimes. How many rich people break into homes to steal stuff that doesn't belong to them? Probably not many. Unfortunately there's the part about the super rich getting away with murder because they can afford a high price legal team but that's really a small percentage. But what would you suggest to prevent that from happening? Not allow them to use all their legal resources available to them? At least the poor people are given a lawyer for free if they cannot afford one. I believe Casey Anthony fit into that situation and her public lawyer was able to put reasonable doubt into the jury. So there's nothing to fix there.
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dananddiana dananddiana (2973 days ago)
Latest comment: I think the explanation of the high prison population in the US is the lack of toleration of criminals walking free. The percentage of criminals that flock to the US for a "Better life" or just wanting to live in a country that won't chop off their hands when caught or hang them etc. a country that actually has human rights is a great magnet for the worlds criminals. Of course there are the homegrown ones too but every country has them. England is another country that criminals flock to but the incarceration rate there is far lower because it takes a lot more for the UK to lock them up. One of the reasons I left the UK was because of the increase of yob control in the streets and schools and the poor policing. So the fact that the US has a higher incarceration rate is not a bad thing.
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Latest comment: I think the explanation of the high prison population in the US is the lack of toleration of criminals walking free. The percentage of criminals that flock to the US for a "Better life" or just wanting to live in a country that won't chop off their hands when caught or hang them etc. a country that actually has human rights is a great magnet for the worlds criminals. Of course there are the homegrown ones too but every country has them. England is another country that criminals flock to but the incarceration rate there is far lower because it takes a lot more for the UK to lock them up. One of the reasons I left the UK was because of the increase of yob control in the streets and schools and the poor policing. So the fact that the US has a higher incarceration rate is not a bad thing.
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glortman glortman (2978 days ago)
MyName, I think we can all agree from that table that the United States is leading the way in equal opportunities for women in prison, so at least they are doing SOMETHING right!
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MyName, I think we can all agree from that table that the United States is leading the way in equal opportunities for women in prison, so at least they are doing SOMETHING right!
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MyName MyName (2978 days ago)
Hell yeah! USA wins, go USA!
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Hell yeah! USA wins, go USA!
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Guest: Guest God (2977 days ago)
Maybe if prison population goes high enough above %51, they would be released and put the lawful citizens into prison. Would the defenders of prison system still defend it?
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Maybe if prison population goes high enough above %51, they would be released and put the lawful citizens into prison. Would the defenders of prison system still defend it?
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dananddiana dananddiana (2977 days ago)
If people stopped breaking the law, raping, Killing, stealing etc etc.... we would all be safe and there would be no prisons, for profit or otherwise. As far as I am concerned. The people who break the law deserve whatever punishment they get! At least the States lock up violent criminals which is more that you can say for places like the UK where all they get is a slap on the hand. Give me the US prison system anytime! If you do the crime, you do the time. No bitching allowed :-)
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If people stopped breaking the law, raping, Killing, stealing etc etc.... we would all be safe and there would be no prisons, for profit or otherwise. As far as I am concerned. The people who break the law deserve whatever punishment they get! At least the States lock up violent criminals which is more that you can say for places like the UK where all they get is a slap on the hand. Give me the US prison system anytime! If you do the crime, you do the time. No bitching allowed :-)
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cengland0 cengland0 (2977 days ago)
Well said.
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Well said.
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Guest: SATAN'S RAPIST (2977 days ago)
...and you!! ya scum sucking piece of sheit propagandist manipulative lying codger fok! go fok yer ducks and shut your stupid fart hole, ya inbred cretin right wing propagandist piece of sheit!
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...and you!! ya scum sucking piece of sheit propagandist manipulative lying codger fok! go fok yer ducks and shut your stupid fart hole, ya inbred cretin right wing propagandist piece of sheit!
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Guest: (2974 days ago)
Don't know much about the UK justice system do we pumpkin ? ....
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Don't know much about the UK justice system do we pumpkin ? ....
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dananddiana dananddiana (2974 days ago)
I am a Brit, Born and raised in London, went back for 6 years recently. I know lots about the UK system...and the amount of criminals that walk free in the UK is absurd! ...Pumpkin!
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I am a Brit, Born and raised in London, went back for 6 years recently. I know lots about the UK system...and the amount of criminals that walk free in the UK is absurd! ...Pumpkin!
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Guest: SATAN'S RAPIST (2977 days ago)
stupid cow! i have copyright on the words "people, punishment, states,bitching, give,law,raping" and you do not have permission to use these words unless you pay me 1000$ per word used, and the law says that if you fail to pay the fee withing 30 days, you will do 1 year in prison per word! what a stupid cow you are! sod off!
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stupid cow! i have copyright on the words "people, punishment, states,bitching, give,law,raping" and you do not have permission to use these words unless you pay me 1000$ per word used, and the law says that if you fail to pay the fee withing 30 days, you will do 1 year in prison per word! what a stupid cow you are! sod off!
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