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Eat beef, not chicken

Eat beef, not chicken

(3:37) Vegan and animal welfare activist Matt Ball urges those who eat meat, to avoid chicken.

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Primate Primate (197 days ago)

I agree - this is a good and pragmatic way.
One thing, however, I never understood about vegans is that the rigor of their commandments do not make always much sense. The refusal of honey, for example. What about honey from small bee keepers? And why eat fruits and vegatables that were pollinated by bees from bee keepers? Why not eat clams, oysters and mussles or other animals with very rudimentary nervous systems and no brains?

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I agree - this is a good and pragmatic way.
One thing, however, I never understood about vegans is that the rigor of their commandments do not make always much sense. The refusal of honey, for example. What about honey from small bee keepers? And why eat fruits and vegatables that were pollinated by bees from bee keepers? Why not eat clams, oysters and mussles or other animals with very rudimentary nervous systems and no brains?

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The honey thing is a debate within veganism so it's a pretty grey area. The only possibly vegan way of eating honey is to go for natural 'balanced beekeepers' and because that's so hard to find generally honey isn't vegan.

Fruits and veg pollinated by bees obviously isn't an issue because there is no exploitation of an animal (the bees don't care about the fruit and veg) and no animals are harmed..

Clams, oyster, mussels. No. They're not plants.

Btw I'm not even veggie.

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The honey thing is a debate within veganism so it's a pretty grey area. The only possibly vegan way of eating honey is to go for natural 'balanced beekeepers' and because that's so hard to find generally honey isn't vegan.

Fruits and veg pollinated by bees obviously isn't an issue because there is no exploitation of an animal (the bees don't care about the fruit and veg) and no animals are harmed..

Clams, oyster, mussels. No. They're not plants.

Btw I'm not even veggie.

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Primate Primate (197 days ago)

As far as I know, the reason why vegans shun honey is because they find it unethical to exploit bees by the bee keeper. Producers of fruits and vegetables use bees from bee keepers to have the maximum ammount of flowers polinated. That is the same cup of tea.
The reason not to eat aniamls is because they are usually sentient beings that feel fear and pain. This is connected to a brain. No brain, no fear, no pain.

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As far as I know, the reason why vegans shun honey is because they find it unethical to exploit bees by the bee keeper. Producers of fruits and vegetables use bees from bee keepers to have the maximum ammount of flowers polinated. That is the same cup of tea.
The reason not to eat aniamls is because they are usually sentient beings that feel fear and pain. This is connected to a brain. No brain, no fear, no pain.

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I don't think it's that, it's stuff like clipping wings and culling hives that would be the issue. I'm sure if you offered fruit and veg that only used non-managed pollinators, then vegans would probably opt for that because it doesn't all involve bees. It's like if they didn't show the 'tested by animals' label on cosmetics, would that mean they were all non-vegan?

I don't think it's just about feeling fear or pain either. Otherwise they would support sedative drugs and instant slaughter methods.

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I don't think it's that, it's stuff like clipping wings and culling hives that would be the issue. I'm sure if you offered fruit and veg that only used non-managed pollinators, then vegans would probably opt for that because it doesn't all involve bees. It's like if they didn't show the 'tested by animals' label on cosmetics, would that mean they were all non-vegan?

I don't think it's just about feeling fear or pain either. Otherwise they would support sedative drugs and instant slaughter methods.

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I'm not saying I have a better yardstick but I don't think number of lives is the best measure. I used to live in an arable agricultural area, we'd see the wheat fields next to our house grow tall, and we'd get a temporary increase in insects, butterflies etc. We'd have birds of prey looking for rodents etc, foxes made paths through the wheat doing the same. Then a combine harvester comes along and destroys the entire ecosystem, surely wiping out millions of insects and a lot of rodents too. It can take 10 square feet for a single loaf of bread, so within those 10 feet are more animals killed than when you eat a steak?

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I'm not saying I have a better yardstick but I don't think number of lives is the best measure. I used to live in an arable agricultural area, we'd see the wheat fields next to our house grow tall, and we'd get a temporary increase in insects, butterflies etc. We'd have birds of prey looking for rodents etc, foxes made paths through the wheat doing the same. Then a combine harvester comes along and destroys the entire ecosystem, surely wiping out millions of insects and a lot of rodents too. It can take 10 square feet for a single loaf of bread, so within those 10 feet are more animals killed than when you eat a steak?

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