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Brexit or not - Interviews with Tony Blair and Nigel Farage

Brexit or not - Interviews with Tony Blair and Nigel Farage

(30:20) Avid supporter of the EU, French-German politician Daniel Cohn-Bendit interviews two prominent figures on both sides of Brexit - Nigel Farage and Tony Blair.

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“Why don’t you try to become the 51st state of the United States” Hahahahahaha.  We don't want Britain to be any part of us.  A couple days ago, we just celebrated another anniversary or our independence from England.  There was a lot of firework displays and BBQs.  Banks and government offices were closed and were paid to take the day off.  There is no way in hell we will be that involved with them again.

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“Why don’t you try to become the 51st state of the United States” Hahahahahaha.  We don't want Britain to be any part of us.  A couple days ago, we just celebrated another anniversary or our independence from England.  There was a lot of firework displays and BBQs.  Banks and government offices were closed and were paid to take the day off.  There is no way in hell we will be that involved with them again.

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Hahaha, that's funny.  Let me think... lose our democracy, lose freedom of speech, give in to corruption, have our leaders dictated by money, epidemic obesity, spiralling gun violence, racism, drug wars, mass poverty, broken healthcare, oppresive religion, mass incarceration, having to beg other countries to host our military bases, having other countries tampering with our elections, starting wars you can't win, and being identified throughout the world as cowards... errrr.....Sorry cousins - you're welcome to everything we've given you, but we'll pass.on being part of your club.  

FYI the Brits have no bank holidays or celebrations that involve any part of USA history.  It's really impressive that we've featured so highly in your history.  But I guess the Brits will never know how you feel, because we were never gifted our independence so we have no one to thank.  But credit to the French, it was kind of them to do that for you.  Perhaps you could ask them if they'd like to join? 

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Hahaha, that's funny.  Let me think... lose our democracy, lose freedom of speech, give in to corruption, have our leaders dictated by money, epidemic obesity, spiralling gun violence, racism, drug wars, mass poverty, broken healthcare, oppresive religion, mass incarceration, having to beg other countries to host our military bases, having other countries tampering with our elections, starting wars you can't win, and being identified throughout the world as cowards... errrr.....Sorry cousins - you're welcome to everything we've given you, but we'll pass.on being part of your club.  

FYI the Brits have no bank holidays or celebrations that involve any part of USA history.  It's really impressive that we've featured so highly in your history.  But I guess the Brits will never know how you feel, because we were never gifted our independence so we have no one to thank.  But credit to the French, it was kind of them to do that for you.  Perhaps you could ask them if they'd like to join? 

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Seriously ? They still celebrate the day when a bunch of other countries allowed them to have independence ? Bless their cotton socks, I had no idea . Hilarious !!

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Seriously ? They still celebrate the day when a bunch of other countries allowed them to have independence ? Bless their cotton socks, I had no idea . Hilarious !!

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All those other countries hated Britan too.  Sure says a lot about your country.

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All those other countries hated Britan too.  Sure says a lot about your country.

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Yes they do, and they love it.  I feel kind of awkward that we don't have any holidays about them.  Funny how they've never had an important part in UK history, yet we have literally given them theirs.  

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Yes they do, and they love it.  I feel kind of awkward that we don't have any holidays about them.  Funny how they've never had an important part in UK history, yet we have literally given them theirs.  

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The USA couldn't dream of the kind of popularity that the UK has. Even back when the Europeans decided to let you be independent, you were seen as bolshy little cowards and the world's opinion has only gone down hill.

As a mark of respect to welcome the esteemed dictator that the Russians chose for you, we are flying a giant baby air balloon.  That's how much we're impressed.  

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The USA couldn't dream of the kind of popularity that the UK has. Even back when the Europeans decided to let you be independent, you were seen as bolshy little cowards and the world's opinion has only gone down hill.

As a mark of respect to welcome the esteemed dictator that the Russians chose for you, we are flying a giant baby air balloon.  That's how much we're impressed.  

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Guest: MB (96 days ago)

With next to no thanks to the USA, If it wasn't for our country the USA and these other countries wouldn’t be democracy’s to have freedom for opinions on anything in the first place – so some slack wouldn’t go a miss here!. We stood alone in WW2 against fascism and bankrupted our country in the progress, for what? to be milked dry by USA whilst they deliberately, and callously, waited and waited until we were on our knees. It wasn’t till as recent as the 90’s Britain paid its last instalment to of the lend-lease agreement imposed by the USA on a desperate nation for military hardware that’s its sole use was to protect our and but their freedom – G’thanks USA for letting us pay you to fight your war. The UK was the wealthiest nation until the USA worked their cruel plan – we don’t blame the Germans for or economic demise we blame the USA – “special relationship” my arse! how can it be “special” if historically so so one-sided.

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With next to no thanks to the USA, If it wasn't for our country the USA and these other countries wouldn’t be democracy’s to have freedom for opinions on anything in the first place – so some slack wouldn’t go a miss here!. We stood alone in WW2 against fascism and bankrupted our country in the progress, for what? to be milked dry by USA whilst they deliberately, and callously, waited and waited until we were on our knees. It wasn’t till as recent as the 90’s Britain paid its last instalment to of the lend-lease agreement imposed by the USA on a desperate nation for military hardware that’s its sole use was to protect our and but their freedom – G’thanks USA for letting us pay you to fight your war. The UK was the wealthiest nation until the USA worked their cruel plan – we don’t blame the Germans for or economic demise we blame the USA – “special relationship” my arse! how can it be “special” if historically so so one-sided.

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Did the USA force Britain to take the aid?  According to Wikipedia, the ultimate source for all good information, it says you finally paid it back in 2006, not in the 90’s as you claim.  "The final payment was actually six years late."


You took 3.75 billion from the USA and 1.19 billion from Canada.  The interest rate was 2% which would be an awesome rate even in today's standards.  Don't know what you're complaining about.


You might also have misunderstood the Lend-lease terms.  "Lend Lease aid did not have to be paid back, but the other loans did." -- Wikipedia
When Washington suddenly stopped giving you free aid (Lend lease), you couldn't support yourself and would have all died or severely had a major reduction in standards of living.  You begged us for help so that's when the Anglo-American loan came about.  We sold many of the Lend-lease items to you at 10 cents on the dollar.  You should be thanking us not scolding us.  Oh wait, you did.  "After this final payment Britain's Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the US for its wartime support."  You're welcome. 

“letting us pay you to fight your war.”  It wasn’t our war until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor.  We put an end to the war that you got crushed in.  If it wasn’t for us entering the war, you would have eventually lost to Germany.  It's so funny how a losing country like yours and a winning one like ours sees history so different. 

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Did the USA force Britain to take the aid?  According to Wikipedia, the ultimate source for all good information, it says you finally paid it back in 2006, not in the 90’s as you claim.  "The final payment was actually six years late."


You took 3.75 billion from the USA and 1.19 billion from Canada.  The interest rate was 2% which would be an awesome rate even in today's standards.  Don't know what you're complaining about.


You might also have misunderstood the Lend-lease terms.  "Lend Lease aid did not have to be paid back, but the other loans did." -- Wikipedia
When Washington suddenly stopped giving you free aid (Lend lease), you couldn't support yourself and would have all died or severely had a major reduction in standards of living.  You begged us for help so that's when the Anglo-American loan came about.  We sold many of the Lend-lease items to you at 10 cents on the dollar.  You should be thanking us not scolding us.  Oh wait, you did.  "After this final payment Britain's Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the US for its wartime support."  You're welcome. 

“letting us pay you to fight your war.”  It wasn’t our war until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor.  We put an end to the war that you got crushed in.  If it wasn’t for us entering the war, you would have eventually lost to Germany.  It's so funny how a losing country like yours and a winning one like ours sees history so different. 

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Wikipedia, the authority on world history. That's a good site to use for all references. (I'm doing the appeal to authority fallacy now).

Maybe history wouldn't be as fake as it is today if they all used Wikipedia as their source. Someone should suggest that.

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Wikipedia, the authority on world history. That's a good site to use for all references. (I'm doing the appeal to authority fallacy now).

Maybe history wouldn't be as fake as it is today if they all used Wikipedia as their source. Someone should suggest that.

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Guest: MB (96 days ago)

The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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It's only when Japan demolished your navy in a few minutes that you even dared to take part.  While other countries were risking their lives to fight the holocaust, you were cowering as usual the other side of the Atlantic.  And even then, you could only beat the Japanese by commiting genocide on a civilian population.  The world remembers.

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It's only when Japan demolished your navy in a few minutes that you even dared to take part.  While other countries were risking their lives to fight the holocaust, you were cowering as usual the other side of the Atlantic.  And even then, you could only beat the Japanese by commiting genocide on a civilian population.  The world remembers.

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The Japanese did some damage to our ships but nothing major.  Damaged 17 ships but we were able to repair 14 of them and return them to service.  Only 2 remain sunk and that's the Arizona and the Utah.  The Oklahoma was raised but wasn't returned back to service.  That was a massive event for the Japanese but they really only took out 3 ships.

All the people who were killed by the Japanese were non combatants.  We were not at war with anyone at the time so all the people on that island were non combatants.

In the beginning, the Japanese woke the sleeping giant and that sleeping giant ended the war with an unconditional surrender of the Japanese.

What was the point you were trying to make again?

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The Japanese did some damage to our ships but nothing major.  Damaged 17 ships but we were able to repair 14 of them and return them to service.  Only 2 remain sunk and that's the Arizona and the Utah.  The Oklahoma was raised but wasn't returned back to service.  That was a massive event for the Japanese but they really only took out 3 ships.

All the people who were killed by the Japanese were non combatants.  We were not at war with anyone at the time so all the people on that island were non combatants.

In the beginning, the Japanese woke the sleeping giant and that sleeping giant ended the war with an unconditional surrender of the Japanese.

What was the point you were trying to make again?

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Hahahahaha nothing major? What a disgrace you are to the memory of your countrymen. You even have a National Remembrance Day because the Japs demolished you so successfully. It took you years to get some of those boats back in order, you had to spend your own money and time fixing them which is why you weren't able to beat the Japanese with your navy. They were too strong, and yours was too weak, and you were humiliated again. Your navy has always been a joke.

Non combatants, sure, all of the USA were non combatants because you were all too scared to fight until you realised you would be annihilated on your home turf. The people killed in Pearl Harbour worked for the navy and even had warning that the bombers were coming, and yet they still couldn't do anything. Pathetic. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children you massacred without giving them warning. That's what you're justifying Carie.

You don't have to be a giant to drop a nuclear bomb. You just have to be a coward too scared to fight, and have absolutely zero conscience about killing civilians. You ticked both boxes and it's gone down as yet another shameful episode of US cowardice and genocide. Add it to the list.

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Hahahahaha nothing major? What a disgrace you are to the memory of your countrymen. You even have a National Remembrance Day because the Japs demolished you so successfully. It took you years to get some of those boats back in order, you had to spend your own money and time fixing them which is why you weren't able to beat the Japanese with your navy. They were too strong, and yours was too weak, and you were humiliated again. Your navy has always been a joke.

Non combatants, sure, all of the USA were non combatants because you were all too scared to fight until you realised you would be annihilated on your home turf. The people killed in Pearl Harbour worked for the navy and even had warning that the bombers were coming, and yet they still couldn't do anything. Pathetic. Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children you massacred without giving them warning. That's what you're justifying Carie.

You don't have to be a giant to drop a nuclear bomb. You just have to be a coward too scared to fight, and have absolutely zero conscience about killing civilians. You ticked both boxes and it's gone down as yet another shameful episode of US cowardice and genocide. Add it to the list.

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The "National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day" is a joke.  We do not observe that day like you think we do.  Everyone goes to work as usual and it's not even marked on our calendars.  But days like Cinco de Mayo, First Day of Ramadan, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa is.  Go figure.

"Your navy has always been a joke.”  Ha, that shows how much you know.  The US Navy is the largest and most powerful in the world.  Nobody even comes close.  Just one of our carriers is powerful enough to destroy any enemy Navy.  And we have 11 of them.  The next contender is Russia with a single carrier.

“all of the USA were non combatants because you were all too scared to fight” That’s not true in many ways.  Many of our US Citizens fought with the RAF because they wanted action and the USA wasn’t in the war.  Second, we couldn’t officially do anything because of the 1930’s Acts that I mentioned earlier.  Do you have attention deficit disorder or something?  Maybe you should go back and read that.

“and yet they still couldn't do anything.”  What do you mean couldn’t do anything.  We did something. We shot down 29 of their aircraft, and sunk 5 of their submarines. We killed 129 of their soldiers.  We eventually sunk every one of the ships that was involved in the attack except the Ushio.  Not bad considering that’s only 1 survivor ship out of 22.  For a Navy that should have been destroyed, we came back with a vengeance.

“Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children you massacred without giving them warning” The use of the Atomic bomb has been debated by historians for decades and will continue to be debated.  Maybe we shouldn't have used it but it is certainly unknown what the outcome would have been.  It's estimated that more people would have died if we didn't end the war with the bomb.  Britain killed many innocent people too with the RAF carpet bombing runs over civilian cities like Hamburg where, in one night 40,000 people died.

The Hiroshima bomb killed about 80,000 people and the Nagasaki one killed about 45,000.  Compare this with the results of two B-29 incendiary raids over Tokyo. One of these raids killed about 125,000 people, the other nearly 100,000.  The atomic bomb pulverized about 5 square miles out to 10 square miles with decreasing damage out from the center.  The B-29 incendiary raids destroyed 85 square miles of the densest part of Tokyo as completely as the centers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Tokyo is 210 square miles and the remaining 125 square miles had half of the buildings destroyed.

"From this background I believe, with complete conviction, that the use of the atomic bomb saved hundreds of thousands—perhaps several millions—of lives, both American and Japanese; that without its use the war would have continued for many months; that no one of good conscience knowing, as Secretary Stimson and the Chiefs of Staff did, what was probably ahead and what the atomic bomb might accomplish could have made any different decision.” - Harry S. Truman

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The "National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day" is a joke.  We do not observe that day like you think we do.  Everyone goes to work as usual and it's not even marked on our calendars.  But days like Cinco de Mayo, First Day of Ramadan, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa is.  Go figure.

"Your navy has always been a joke.”  Ha, that shows how much you know.  The US Navy is the largest and most powerful in the world.  Nobody even comes close.  Just one of our carriers is powerful enough to destroy any enemy Navy.  And we have 11 of them.  The next contender is Russia with a single carrier.

“all of the USA were non combatants because you were all too scared to fight” That’s not true in many ways.  Many of our US Citizens fought with the RAF because they wanted action and the USA wasn’t in the war.  Second, we couldn’t officially do anything because of the 1930’s Acts that I mentioned earlier.  Do you have attention deficit disorder or something?  Maybe you should go back and read that.

“and yet they still couldn't do anything.”  What do you mean couldn’t do anything.  We did something. We shot down 29 of their aircraft, and sunk 5 of their submarines. We killed 129 of their soldiers.  We eventually sunk every one of the ships that was involved in the attack except the Ushio.  Not bad considering that’s only 1 survivor ship out of 22.  For a Navy that should have been destroyed, we came back with a vengeance.

“Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of civilian women and children you massacred without giving them warning” The use of the Atomic bomb has been debated by historians for decades and will continue to be debated.  Maybe we shouldn't have used it but it is certainly unknown what the outcome would have been.  It's estimated that more people would have died if we didn't end the war with the bomb.  Britain killed many innocent people too with the RAF carpet bombing runs over civilian cities like Hamburg where, in one night 40,000 people died.

The Hiroshima bomb killed about 80,000 people and the Nagasaki one killed about 45,000.  Compare this with the results of two B-29 incendiary raids over Tokyo. One of these raids killed about 125,000 people, the other nearly 100,000.  The atomic bomb pulverized about 5 square miles out to 10 square miles with decreasing damage out from the center.  The B-29 incendiary raids destroyed 85 square miles of the densest part of Tokyo as completely as the centers of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Tokyo is 210 square miles and the remaining 125 square miles had half of the buildings destroyed.

"From this background I believe, with complete conviction, that the use of the atomic bomb saved hundreds of thousands—perhaps several millions—of lives, both American and Japanese; that without its use the war would have continued for many months; that no one of good conscience knowing, as Secretary Stimson and the Chiefs of Staff did, what was probably ahead and what the atomic bomb might accomplish could have made any different decision.” - Harry S. Truman

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Hahaha my god you don't read the news do you?  Your navy is famous for being a lame duck.  In the space of 1 YEAR, USS Fitzgerald lost 7 sailors by hitting a container ship, the USS John S. McCain lost 10 when it collided with an oil tanker (barely noticeable really), the USS Antietam ran aground, and the USS Lake Champlain hit a fishing boat. 

Yes you're right, you even had a special Act drawn up to allow you to be cowards.  "Non-interventionist".  Uhuh.  "We are brave enough to fight evil, honest, it's just we can't".  Yeah whatever, the rest of the world sees through that.  Even countries like New Zealand risked their lives to fight the giant, years before you even had the courage to tie your shoelaces.  Thankfully for you, braver countries broke the giant's back before Japan forced you to join in.

Funny, your favourite source Wikipedia says organizations hold "special events in memory of those killed or injured at Pearl Harbor".  If you ever go there you will see how seriously it is still taken.  It set back your navy by years and made you waste time, money, and human lives.  A joke you say?  The Japanese certainly found it funny.

You couldn't and you didn't do anything to stop Pearl Harbour, even though you had warning.  The Japanese airforce wiped the board.  Each one of their fatalities killed or injured the equivalent of over 50 US servicemen. Quite a ratio.  With a stronger air force, you would have gone out and destroyed them before they had a chance to get close to Pearl Harbour, but you just didn't have it in you.  2.3K servicemen paid the price for cowardice.

Nice try with your 'whataboutery' fallacy.  Firebombing is monstrous, but nothing is as indiscriminate and cruel than a nuclear bomb.  Even Pakistan has nukes, but only one country has ever been scared and callous enough to use them on a civilian population.  Shame on you.  Any other bombs could and would have been targeted at specific military targets.  You hit cities with schools, nurseries, hospitals, and caused radiation poisoning for generations to come, all to protect your big strong servicemen.  The war might have continued, and many more servicemen might have been killed, but the civilian deathtoll could never have been that great without something as broad and cowardly as a nuclear bomb.

Quoting Harry Truman!  I think I can find a quote from Goering about why the final solution was necessary.  Gullible much?

I have US friends (considerably smarter than you to be fair), and they wouldn't dream of trying to justify it.  There is no debate - the only arguments are from US apologists like yourself who can't get it into their head that their country can make such a momentous mistake.  Sorry pal, but history has already recorded it.  Hopefully, no other country will ever feel as insecure and scared as you did after Pearl Harbour, but with your dependency on other countries to back up your military, if any of us ever pull the plug on you, nuclear may be your last option once again.  Maybe it's just as well Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal than yours.

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Hahaha my god you don't read the news do you?  Your navy is famous for being a lame duck.  In the space of 1 YEAR, USS Fitzgerald lost 7 sailors by hitting a container ship, the USS John S. McCain lost 10 when it collided with an oil tanker (barely noticeable really), the USS Antietam ran aground, and the USS Lake Champlain hit a fishing boat. 

Yes you're right, you even had a special Act drawn up to allow you to be cowards.  "Non-interventionist".  Uhuh.  "We are brave enough to fight evil, honest, it's just we can't".  Yeah whatever, the rest of the world sees through that.  Even countries like New Zealand risked their lives to fight the giant, years before you even had the courage to tie your shoelaces.  Thankfully for you, braver countries broke the giant's back before Japan forced you to join in.

Funny, your favourite source Wikipedia says organizations hold "special events in memory of those killed or injured at Pearl Harbor".  If you ever go there you will see how seriously it is still taken.  It set back your navy by years and made you waste time, money, and human lives.  A joke you say?  The Japanese certainly found it funny.

You couldn't and you didn't do anything to stop Pearl Harbour, even though you had warning.  The Japanese airforce wiped the board.  Each one of their fatalities killed or injured the equivalent of over 50 US servicemen. Quite a ratio.  With a stronger air force, you would have gone out and destroyed them before they had a chance to get close to Pearl Harbour, but you just didn't have it in you.  2.3K servicemen paid the price for cowardice.

Nice try with your 'whataboutery' fallacy.  Firebombing is monstrous, but nothing is as indiscriminate and cruel than a nuclear bomb.  Even Pakistan has nukes, but only one country has ever been scared and callous enough to use them on a civilian population.  Shame on you.  Any other bombs could and would have been targeted at specific military targets.  You hit cities with schools, nurseries, hospitals, and caused radiation poisoning for generations to come, all to protect your big strong servicemen.  The war might have continued, and many more servicemen might have been killed, but the civilian deathtoll could never have been that great without something as broad and cowardly as a nuclear bomb.

Quoting Harry Truman!  I think I can find a quote from Goering about why the final solution was necessary.  Gullible much?

I have US friends (considerably smarter than you to be fair), and they wouldn't dream of trying to justify it.  There is no debate - the only arguments are from US apologists like yourself who can't get it into their head that their country can make such a momentous mistake.  Sorry pal, but history has already recorded it.  Hopefully, no other country will ever feel as insecure and scared as you did after Pearl Harbour, but with your dependency on other countries to back up your military, if any of us ever pull the plug on you, nuclear may be your last option once again.  Maybe it's just as well Russia has a bigger nuclear arsenal than yours.

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" but the civilian deathtoll could never have been that great without something as broad and cowardly as a nuclear bomb." Oh my fuking hell.  You really have a reading comprehension issue.  If you knew how to read the paragraph just above yours where I mention the B-29 incendiary raid stats, you would know how wrong you are.

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" but the civilian deathtoll could never have been that great without something as broad and cowardly as a nuclear bomb." Oh my fuking hell.  You really have a reading comprehension issue.  If you knew how to read the paragraph just above yours where I mention the B-29 incendiary raid stats, you would know how wrong you are.

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Oh don't get all upset again, Carie. It's way too early to use your trapdoor. Let me help you out as usual.

I agree, the B-29 incendiary raids were also completely immoral, and your repeated targetting of civilian populations does reinforce just what a disgusting and cowardly bunch you are.

HOWEVER... in the B-29 raids you dropped 1,665 tonnes of bombs from over 250 planes. You killed somewhere in the region of 100K civilians. Compare that with your nukes, where you dropped just TWO bombs and slaughted something like 200K civilians. I know you ain't too hot on maths, but do you see the difference?

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Oh don't get all upset again, Carie. It's way too early to use your trapdoor. Let me help you out as usual.

I agree, the B-29 incendiary raids were also completely immoral, and your repeated targetting of civilian populations does reinforce just what a disgusting and cowardly bunch you are.

HOWEVER... in the B-29 raids you dropped 1,665 tonnes of bombs from over 250 planes. You killed somewhere in the region of 100K civilians. Compare that with your nukes, where you dropped just TWO bombs and slaughted something like 200K civilians. I know you ain't too hot on maths, but do you see the difference?

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Oh don't get all upset again, Carie. It's way too early to use your trapdoor. Let me help you out as usual.

I agree, the B-29 incendiary raids were also completely immoral, and your repeated targetting of civilian populations does reinforce my point.

HOWEVER... in the B-29 raids you dropped 1,665 tonnes of bombs from over 250 planes. You killed somewhere in the region of 100K civilians. Compare that with your nukes, where you dropped just TWO bombs and slaughted something like 200K civilians. I know you ain't too hot on maths, but do you see the difference?  I would make a bar graph for you, but I realise those confuse you too.

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Oh don't get all upset again, Carie. It's way too early to use your trapdoor. Let me help you out as usual.

I agree, the B-29 incendiary raids were also completely immoral, and your repeated targetting of civilian populations does reinforce my point.

HOWEVER... in the B-29 raids you dropped 1,665 tonnes of bombs from over 250 planes. You killed somewhere in the region of 100K civilians. Compare that with your nukes, where you dropped just TWO bombs and slaughted something like 200K civilians. I know you ain't too hot on maths, but do you see the difference?  I would make a bar graph for you, but I realise those confuse you too.

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Guest: MB (96 days ago)

The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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The difference with Canada was that at least they were in the fight with us.

"Crushed in".  The whole of the world especially Europe was getting crushed! oh except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. 

Until "attacked at Pearl Harbot"  boohoo. Britain joined the fight when Poland was invaded and when our "friends" needed our help and long before the first bomb hit UK cities. 

Turning up late and shooting the last exhausted enemy soldier does not count as winning. We were relieved USA did something right in the end but to then imply we should be greatful is insulting.

At least you helped with the children and jews fleeing the Nazi destruction and death camps - oh I forget that was too much of an inconvience for you too - pathetic self interest, how things never change hey?

 

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“except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. “  Yup, that’s right.  We were abiding by the US Neutrality Acts of the 1930s.  The end of that act came with the Lend-Lease Act in 1941.  Once we gave you 31 Billion dollars worth of war equipment and aid, it was clear that we were no longer neutral.  It was only after the USA ended the war with the bombing of Japan that the Lend-Lease Act expired.  Britain wanted to keep the aid that was in transit but it should have been returned instead so that’s when we sold it to you at a 90% discount.  Now you’re complaining that we forced you to take the stuff and that it took over 50 years for you to pay it back.  Boo Hoo.  The amount of that loan is such a small amount compared to the 31 Billion that we just gave you free of charge.  And you complain.  Thank us that your grandparents weren't killed and that's the reason you're alive today.

Even Stalin said that without our aid to Russia, the Soviet Union would have lost the war too.  Chant: U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A.

Unbelievable that you are still complaining that we saved your asses instead of groveling at our feet and treating us like the heroes that we are.

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“except for USA who were still living the high life with fingers in ears and their thumbs up their arses. “  Yup, that’s right.  We were abiding by the US Neutrality Acts of the 1930s.  The end of that act came with the Lend-Lease Act in 1941.  Once we gave you 31 Billion dollars worth of war equipment and aid, it was clear that we were no longer neutral.  It was only after the USA ended the war with the bombing of Japan that the Lend-Lease Act expired.  Britain wanted to keep the aid that was in transit but it should have been returned instead so that’s when we sold it to you at a 90% discount.  Now you’re complaining that we forced you to take the stuff and that it took over 50 years for you to pay it back.  Boo Hoo.  The amount of that loan is such a small amount compared to the 31 Billion that we just gave you free of charge.  And you complain.  Thank us that your grandparents weren't killed and that's the reason you're alive today.

Even Stalin said that without our aid to Russia, the Soviet Union would have lost the war too.  Chant: U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A.

Unbelievable that you are still complaining that we saved your asses instead of groveling at our feet and treating us like the heroes that we are.

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Guest: (96 days ago)

"like the heroes that  we are."?

Try reading history instead of believing everything coming out of Hollywood. I know it's a bit harder to do, but it pays off.

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"like the heroes that  we are."?

Try reading history instead of believing everything coming out of Hollywood. I know it's a bit harder to do, but it pays off.

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Cowards

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Cowards

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Guest: (96 days ago)

Cheque book = cowards

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Cheque book = cowards

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"like the heroes that  we are."?

Try reading history instead of believing everything coming out of Hollywood. I know it's a bit harder to do, but it pays off.

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"like the heroes that  we are."?

Try reading history instead of believing everything coming out of Hollywood. I know it's a bit harder to do, but it pays off.

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