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The urgent speech Trump never gave

(3:28) We are the first generation to experience climate change, and the last generation that can do anything about it.

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Guest: The idiot (6 days ago)

Very good speech, he seems to understand the impact of global warming. I m shure the problem had been fixed if he was president or something.

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Very good speech, he seems to understand the impact of global warming. I m shure the problem had been fixed if he was president or something.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (6 days ago)

“14 of the 15 warmest years on record have occurred since the year 2000.”  Those are cherry picked records.  There have been several years within the history of our planet where the temperatures have been warmer.  But of course that doesn’t tell the story the liberals what you to hear so they pick a short date range to include for their “official record” to make it more alarming.  Why didn’t they pick the top 100 hottest years and see when those were.  That’s because if they go beyond 15 years, they will notice some of those dates are beyond the most recent time they want you to think about.

“This is a solvable problem if we start now.”  Start what now?  You’re just talk but no action.  Tell each individual person what you expect out of them or is this just a government thing and the people don’t need to do anything specific?

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“14 of the 15 warmest years on record have occurred since the year 2000.”  Those are cherry picked records.  There have been several years within the history of our planet where the temperatures have been warmer.  But of course that doesn’t tell the story the liberals what you to hear so they pick a short date range to include for their “official record” to make it more alarming.  Why didn’t they pick the top 100 hottest years and see when those were.  That’s because if they go beyond 15 years, they will notice some of those dates are beyond the most recent time they want you to think about.

“This is a solvable problem if we start now.”  Start what now?  You’re just talk but no action.  Tell each individual person what you expect out of them or is this just a government thing and the people don’t need to do anything specific?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (6 days ago)

You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past. During the Cretacious period, which lasted for 80 million years and ended 66 million years ago when an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs, the planet was much warmer and sea level was between 100m and 250m higher than today. CO2 levels were over 1,000ppm compared with 400ppm today.

That's why climate scientists are freaking out. Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation. Imagine tens of metres by the end of this century. You'll be renting out the attic of your Floridian mansion to fish. And to get a bit of perspective, sea level has only risen 10 - 20cm in the last 100 years.

Obama didn't do enough, but if he did nothing, then Trump would have nothing to roill back.

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You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past. During the Cretacious period, which lasted for 80 million years and ended 66 million years ago when an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs, the planet was much warmer and sea level was between 100m and 250m higher than today. CO2 levels were over 1,000ppm compared with 400ppm today.

That's why climate scientists are freaking out. Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation. Imagine tens of metres by the end of this century. You'll be renting out the attic of your Floridian mansion to fish. And to get a bit of perspective, sea level has only risen 10 - 20cm in the last 100 years.

Obama didn't do enough, but if he did nothing, then Trump would have nothing to roill back.

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guest123456789 guest123456789 (6 days ago)

“You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past.” Then you agree that the 14 out of 15 years is a cherry picked date range.  You mention Cretaceous period but the planet has been at 25C for the majority of its history.  We are still in an ice age and our current temperature is 16C.  We have more to go before we are back to the typical temperature of the planet.

Do you see any reason why, even if humans were not here, the planet wouldn’t return back to its normal 25C?  There have been some major events that cooled the planet quickly but it always ends up returning back to 25C.  We are simply doing it again.  Maybe it’s quicker than previous times, maybe not.  We don’t know because the science isn’t clear.  But I am positive that we are on the normal trend for the cycles the planet usually has.

“Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation”   Well, maybe, maybe not.  Some people may die but the ones who can adapt and move inland should survive.  You cannot tell me that the 1m rise would be the first time the planet did that and it didn’t kill all the animals previously either.  The strong will survive, the weak might not.  It’s called “Survival of the Fittest.”  If scientists think we can live on Mars, I'm sure we could live on planet Earth with an extra 1m rise of water.

"You'll be renting out the attic of your Floridian mansion to fish” If I had a Floridian mansion, I’d rent it out now and get even more money.  Maybe even sell it.  Not sure until I talk to an accountant to determine if it’s best to sell or rent.  Which will make me more money.  But you're probably thinking of Carey again as I remember him living in Florida and being a banker.  I don't remember him talking about global warming just like I never talk about banking.  Banking is not my expertise.

Serious question now.  Do you know what date range Obama is using to pick those 15 years?

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“You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past.” Then you agree that the 14 out of 15 years is a cherry picked date range.  You mention Cretaceous period but the planet has been at 25C for the majority of its history.  We are still in an ice age and our current temperature is 16C.  We have more to go before we are back to the typical temperature of the planet.

Do you see any reason why, even if humans were not here, the planet wouldn’t return back to its normal 25C?  There have been some major events that cooled the planet quickly but it always ends up returning back to 25C.  We are simply doing it again.  Maybe it’s quicker than previous times, maybe not.  We don’t know because the science isn’t clear.  But I am positive that we are on the normal trend for the cycles the planet usually has.

“Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation”   Well, maybe, maybe not.  Some people may die but the ones who can adapt and move inland should survive.  You cannot tell me that the 1m rise would be the first time the planet did that and it didn’t kill all the animals previously either.  The strong will survive, the weak might not.  It’s called “Survival of the Fittest.”  If scientists think we can live on Mars, I'm sure we could live on planet Earth with an extra 1m rise of water.

"You'll be renting out the attic of your Floridian mansion to fish” If I had a Floridian mansion, I’d rent it out now and get even more money.  Maybe even sell it.  Not sure until I talk to an accountant to determine if it’s best to sell or rent.  Which will make me more money.  But you're probably thinking of Carey again as I remember him living in Florida and being a banker.  I don't remember him talking about global warming just like I never talk about banking.  Banking is not my expertise.

Serious question now.  Do you know what date range Obama is using to pick those 15 years?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (3 days ago)

“You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past.” Then you agree that the 14 out of 15 years is a cherry picked date range. No. The date range is picked for good reason, nothing to do with cherries. It's 14 of 15 most recent years in RECORDED history, ie. since 1880 when direct recording of temperatures around the world began. When you hear the media say "hottest heatwave EVER", that is their mistake, not the scientists'.

"Do you see any reason why, even if humans were not here, the planet wouldn’t return back to its normal 25C?". Yes, very likely - in a few million years when the planets and sun all line up to produce those conditions. How about we deal with that a bit nearer the time.

Just imagine humans did not exist, but instead there was a volcano that spewed 40 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year - year after year - relentlessly. And there was a disease that was killing off a few billion trees every year. Do you see any reason why the climate wouldn't change?

"There have been some major events that cooled the planet quickly but it always ends up returning back to 25C.  We are simply doing it again." I may have misunderstood your position. I always thought that your argument was: since the climate has been much warmer in the past (before humans even existed) it was natural processes that warmed the planet then, so it's natural processes that are warming the planet today. Human activity is not to blame, it's insignificant compared to natural processes.

But your argument now seems to be: we are warming the planet, just much faster than natural processes - so we just need to adapt. Really? How would you suggest we adapt? Grow gills? How about a refridgerated heart?. What about plants? I guess they could just uproot and walk north. Fish should be OK, they can learn to sweat and shut their eyes to prevent the stinging from the carbonic acid oceans they swim in.

"But I am positive that we are on the normal trend for the cycles the planet usually has." You might be positive but you're wrong. The cycles you are talking about are caused by changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun because of gravity. These changes are predictable, constant and really really really really really slow. This global heatwave we are experiencing is not because the Earth unexpectedly changed course.

“Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation”  Well, maybe, maybe not." Sea level rise is not just about moving further inland. Many of our nuclear power stations are built by the sea because they use water for cooling. What happens when they go under water? What happens to the population of Miami? Do they lie on the beach and drown to death? No, they will move to other parts of the country. And it won't be just Miami. It'll be most of our major cities worldwide. Internal refugees will be as much of a problem as external refugees - the millions/billions of people moving simply because it's too hot to live where they are.

That fish comment - yes I was thinking of Cary. Just so you know, you accidentally misspelt his name. It's Cary, not Carey. He was a stickler for detail, and in his honour, we should respect that. Amazingly, what you said you'd do with your Floridian mansion, he would have done with his. You guys should meet. I'm sure you'll get on like a Californian wild fire. Maybe even get a room.

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“You're right, the world has been much warmer many times in the past.” Then you agree that the 14 out of 15 years is a cherry picked date range. No. The date range is picked for good reason, nothing to do with cherries. It's 14 of 15 most recent years in RECORDED history, ie. since 1880 when direct recording of temperatures around the world began. When you hear the media say "hottest heatwave EVER", that is their mistake, not the scientists'.

"Do you see any reason why, even if humans were not here, the planet wouldn’t return back to its normal 25C?". Yes, very likely - in a few million years when the planets and sun all line up to produce those conditions. How about we deal with that a bit nearer the time.

Just imagine humans did not exist, but instead there was a volcano that spewed 40 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year - year after year - relentlessly. And there was a disease that was killing off a few billion trees every year. Do you see any reason why the climate wouldn't change?

"There have been some major events that cooled the planet quickly but it always ends up returning back to 25C.  We are simply doing it again." I may have misunderstood your position. I always thought that your argument was: since the climate has been much warmer in the past (before humans even existed) it was natural processes that warmed the planet then, so it's natural processes that are warming the planet today. Human activity is not to blame, it's insignificant compared to natural processes.

But your argument now seems to be: we are warming the planet, just much faster than natural processes - so we just need to adapt. Really? How would you suggest we adapt? Grow gills? How about a refridgerated heart?. What about plants? I guess they could just uproot and walk north. Fish should be OK, they can learn to sweat and shut their eyes to prevent the stinging from the carbonic acid oceans they swim in.

"But I am positive that we are on the normal trend for the cycles the planet usually has." You might be positive but you're wrong. The cycles you are talking about are caused by changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun because of gravity. These changes are predictable, constant and really really really really really slow. This global heatwave we are experiencing is not because the Earth unexpectedly changed course.

“Even a 1m sea level rise would be catastrophic for human civilisation”  Well, maybe, maybe not." Sea level rise is not just about moving further inland. Many of our nuclear power stations are built by the sea because they use water for cooling. What happens when they go under water? What happens to the population of Miami? Do they lie on the beach and drown to death? No, they will move to other parts of the country. And it won't be just Miami. It'll be most of our major cities worldwide. Internal refugees will be as much of a problem as external refugees - the millions/billions of people moving simply because it's too hot to live where they are.

That fish comment - yes I was thinking of Cary. Just so you know, you accidentally misspelt his name. It's Cary, not Carey. He was a stickler for detail, and in his honour, we should respect that. Amazingly, what you said you'd do with your Floridian mansion, he would have done with his. You guys should meet. I'm sure you'll get on like a Californian wild fire. Maybe even get a room.

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“since 1880 when direct recording of temperatures around the world began. “  Not valid answer.  “The British East India Company, which traveled extensively between 1789 and 1834, collected an enormous amount of weather data.   Philip Brohan, a climate scientist at the UK’s Met Office, has worked to collate hundreds of thousands of those records and digitize them to be added to the pre-1880 global climate record.”  Wish to try again?

“Yes, very likely - in a few million years when the planets and sun all line up to produce those conditions” Come on Walter, you can do better than that.  Are you saying then that the sun/planet alignments have anything to do with our climate?  Enough that when our planet was at 25C for the vast majority of the history, that was because of the sun and planet alignment?

“Do you see any reason why the climate wouldn't change?”   Yes I do see reasons.  The planet climate has been changing for billions of years.  It seemed normal to be at 25C and then an asteroid hits the planet and then cools it for a very long time and then eventually goes back to the previous 25C temperatures again.  I think it’s funny how you don’t think 25C is the normal temperature for planet Earth.

“But your argument now seems to be: we are warming the planet, just much faster than natural processes”  No, that seems to be your argument.  I have never said that humans are the cause and that it is happening faster than the natural process.  I’ve stated it is possible but I want proof first.  Scientists saying it’s true does not make it true.  Like preachers saying god exists doesn’t make it true.  I’m not a person of faith so you need to show me the proof.

“so we just need to adapt. "  Yes, that’s right.  Your snowflake body cannot handle going back 1000 years before indoor plumbing and air conditioning.  We have adapted the opposite way and began relying on technology to make our lives as comfortable as possible.  But those people that will be able to go outside and survive 25C average temperatures, they will survive.  Sorry that you will not be amongst us.  I’m liking that “snowflake” word now since I’ve seen other users using it and the snowflake city.  Think I’ll have to use it more often.

“You might be positive but you're wrong.” You don’t agree that the planet is warming toward the 25C point?  I’m shocked.  I thought even scientists thought that was the trend we were headed toward.  Where do you think we are going then?

“cycles you are talking about are caused by changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun because of gravity. These changes are predictable, constant and really really really really really slow.” No, that’s not what I’m talking about at all.  Do you agree that we are still in an ice age?  Let’s establish that first.  Simple question should have a simple answer.

“What happens when they go under water?” Then that facility isn’t going to be used.  Which nuclear facility do you think is going to go under water over night due to the sea level rise (and not due to something else like an earthquake)?

“What happens to the population of Miami?” They can leave now if they want.  Nothing is holding them back.  People who are buying property there should have their head examined though.

“Internal refugees will be as much of a problem as external refugees”  Not really.  The USA has a bunch of unused land in the middle.  Also, according to you, most of the population is going to die so that leaves more land for the survivors.

“It's Cary, not Carey."  Next time you see him, apologize for me.  But I’ve never seen him spell his name — just spelled by other users on this site. I have no idea how it’s spelled.   I'm not sure if you're correct about the spelling or not either.  All I remember is something about his ID being cengland.  That was a few years ago and you guys are still talking about him.  Either way, he doesn't apper to be on this site now so I doubt he really cares if I misspelled his name.

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“since 1880 when direct recording of temperatures around the world began. “  Not valid answer.  “The British East India Company, which traveled extensively between 1789 and 1834, collected an enormous amount of weather data.   Philip Brohan, a climate scientist at the UK’s Met Office, has worked to collate hundreds of thousands of those records and digitize them to be added to the pre-1880 global climate record.”  Wish to try again?

“Yes, very likely - in a few million years when the planets and sun all line up to produce those conditions” Come on Walter, you can do better than that.  Are you saying then that the sun/planet alignments have anything to do with our climate?  Enough that when our planet was at 25C for the vast majority of the history, that was because of the sun and planet alignment?

“Do you see any reason why the climate wouldn't change?”   Yes I do see reasons.  The planet climate has been changing for billions of years.  It seemed normal to be at 25C and then an asteroid hits the planet and then cools it for a very long time and then eventually goes back to the previous 25C temperatures again.  I think it’s funny how you don’t think 25C is the normal temperature for planet Earth.

“But your argument now seems to be: we are warming the planet, just much faster than natural processes”  No, that seems to be your argument.  I have never said that humans are the cause and that it is happening faster than the natural process.  I’ve stated it is possible but I want proof first.  Scientists saying it’s true does not make it true.  Like preachers saying god exists doesn’t make it true.  I’m not a person of faith so you need to show me the proof.

“so we just need to adapt. "  Yes, that’s right.  Your snowflake body cannot handle going back 1000 years before indoor plumbing and air conditioning.  We have adapted the opposite way and began relying on technology to make our lives as comfortable as possible.  But those people that will be able to go outside and survive 25C average temperatures, they will survive.  Sorry that you will not be amongst us.  I’m liking that “snowflake” word now since I’ve seen other users using it and the snowflake city.  Think I’ll have to use it more often.

“You might be positive but you're wrong.” You don’t agree that the planet is warming toward the 25C point?  I’m shocked.  I thought even scientists thought that was the trend we were headed toward.  Where do you think we are going then?

“cycles you are talking about are caused by changes in the Earth's orbit around the sun because of gravity. These changes are predictable, constant and really really really really really slow.” No, that’s not what I’m talking about at all.  Do you agree that we are still in an ice age?  Let’s establish that first.  Simple question should have a simple answer.

“What happens when they go under water?” Then that facility isn’t going to be used.  Which nuclear facility do you think is going to go under water over night due to the sea level rise (and not due to something else like an earthquake)?

“What happens to the population of Miami?” They can leave now if they want.  Nothing is holding them back.  People who are buying property there should have their head examined though.

“Internal refugees will be as much of a problem as external refugees”  Not really.  The USA has a bunch of unused land in the middle.  Also, according to you, most of the population is going to die so that leaves more land for the survivors.

“It's Cary, not Carey."  Next time you see him, apologize for me.  But I’ve never seen him spell his name — just spelled by other users on this site. I have no idea how it’s spelled.   I'm not sure if you're correct about the spelling or not either.  All I remember is something about his ID being cengland.  That was a few years ago and you guys are still talking about him.  Either way, he doesn't apper to be on this site now so I doubt he really cares if I misspelled his name.

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Guest: toby456 (6 days ago)

Obama did nothing during his tenure except appear on late night talk shows, which was very disappoointing for me, I was happy when he won the election but over and over again he disappointed me, remember all the times he said that Trump would never become President, that was funny, whose laughing now, and as the Dems have no one to run against him, it looks like he is a shoe in for another term, four more years, four more years.

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Obama did nothing during his tenure except appear on late night talk shows, which was very disappoointing for me, I was happy when he won the election but over and over again he disappointed me, remember all the times he said that Trump would never become President, that was funny, whose laughing now, and as the Dems have no one to run against him, it looks like he is a shoe in for another term, four more years, four more years.

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