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Anna Soubry: The truth is we can't do Brexit

Anna Soubry: The truth is we can't do Brexit

(3:22) Conservative MP Anna Soubry and Piers Morgan clash over the Irish border question.

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Guest: K Doyler (12 days ago)

As an Irishman who lived an worked in England, I truly hope Brexit works out well for the UK. But it is hard to argue that the British government have made a complete mess of the negotiation process. You then have the pro-brexit champions who are happy to ignore the real world, and potentially catestrophic effects of leaving the EU to further their own blinkered view AT ALL COSTS. 

"I said I was hungry enough to eat my foot, so I'm going to eat my foot" (Norton 2018), expains the unique Bristish attitude. 

As utterly humilating it will be to have a second referendum is there any other logical step?

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As an Irishman who lived an worked in England, I truly hope Brexit works out well for the UK. But it is hard to argue that the British government have made a complete mess of the negotiation process. You then have the pro-brexit champions who are happy to ignore the real world, and potentially catestrophic effects of leaving the EU to further their own blinkered view AT ALL COSTS. 

"I said I was hungry enough to eat my foot, so I'm going to eat my foot" (Norton 2018), expains the unique Bristish attitude. 

As utterly humilating it will be to have a second referendum is there any other logical step?

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Guest: (7 days ago)
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For fucks sake .  If piers could shut his fat mouth this woman could have made her point (sadly very valid) in 30 seconds . why is this imbucile allowed to ""interview"" people ?

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For fucks sake .  If piers could shut his fat mouth this woman could have made her point (sadly very valid) in 30 seconds . why is this imbucile allowed to ""interview"" people ?

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Guest: (14 days ago)

One person says leaving the EU will work out perfectly well. Another says it won't work under any circumstance. Their individual opinions are not the definitive answer. Let's wait and see.

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One person says leaving the EU will work out perfectly well. Another says it won't work under any circumstance. Their individual opinions are not the definitive answer. Let's wait and see.

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Guest: (14 days ago)

Sure, let's wait and see, because by the time we find out for sure that it was the greatest political and ecomical mistake of the latest century, it will be too late to change it.  I use the same strategy for eating chocolate cake.  Some say I'll put on weight, some say I won't.  Eat it and let's see.

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Sure, let's wait and see, because by the time we find out for sure that it was the greatest political and ecomical mistake of the latest century, it will be too late to change it.  I use the same strategy for eating chocolate cake.  Some say I'll put on weight, some say I won't.  Eat it and let's see.

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Guest: (13 days ago)

We already know how things are as a part of the EU. Not many people seem to remember that we did pretty well without them, but we're gonna find out.

 

Cue more doom and gloom from the remoaners.

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We already know how things are as a part of the EU. Not many people seem to remember that we did pretty well without them, but we're gonna find out.

 

Cue more doom and gloom from the remoaners.

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Guest: (12 days ago)

God I remember all right, the "sick man of Europe", the "winter of discontent", the devluation of the pound, 3 day working weeks. The 60s was a nightmare, I was ashamed to be a Brit, the early 70s strikes and inflation. There wasn't even such thing as a British citizen, just a ''citizen of the UK and colonies'''. That's why we voted to join the EU in a landslide. Do you remember that?

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God I remember all right, the "sick man of Europe", the "winter of discontent", the devluation of the pound, 3 day working weeks. The 60s was a nightmare, I was ashamed to be a Brit, the early 70s strikes and inflation. There wasn't even such thing as a British citizen, just a ''citizen of the UK and colonies'''. That's why we voted to join the EU in a landslide. Do you remember that?

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Guest: (8 days ago)

You remember incorrectly. The was no vote to join the EU. The EU didn't even exist until 1992.

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You remember incorrectly. The was no vote to join the EU. The EU didn't even exist until 1992.

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Guest: (8 days ago)

You are technically right, but that's semantics.  What the OP is referring to is the fact that we were desperate to join the EEC (and would have done so earlier if we'd been allowed), and a second referendum confirmed that we were happy to be part of a politican union as well as an economic one.  

And yes, he's also right to say the UK was in a terrible position economically and we certainly would not want to go back to that.  Anyone old enough to remember would likely agree.

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You are technically right, but that's semantics.  What the OP is referring to is the fact that we were desperate to join the EEC (and would have done so earlier if we'd been allowed), and a second referendum confirmed that we were happy to be part of a politican union as well as an economic one.  

And yes, he's also right to say the UK was in a terrible position economically and we certainly would not want to go back to that.  Anyone old enough to remember would likely agree.

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Guest: (8 days ago)

Ah, I see. Good job You know what other posters meant.

But what was the second referendum that confirmed we were happy to be part of a political union?

Wasn't it decided by parliament?

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Ah, I see. Good job You know what other posters meant.

But what was the second referendum that confirmed we were happy to be part of a political union?

Wasn't it decided by parliament?

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WalterEgo WalterEgo (12 days ago)

We're not going to find out. There will be a second vote and the people will come to their senses - just like they did in Ireland.

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We're not going to find out. There will be a second vote and the people will come to their senses - just like they did in Ireland.

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Guest: (12 days ago)

Oh, the 'keep voting until we get the answer we want' routine? Sounds like real democracy in action.

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Oh, the 'keep voting until we get the answer we want' routine? Sounds like real democracy in action.

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Guest: (12 days ago)

Oh, the 'Let's not ask the people again in case they've changed their mind' routine?  Funny how quickly people can go off the idea of democracy once they realise people might not agree with them any more!  A referendum used to be democratic apparently, but not now, oh no.  Only one referendum is democratic.  Laughable.

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Oh, the 'Let's not ask the people again in case they've changed their mind' routine?  Funny how quickly people can go off the idea of democracy once they realise people might not agree with them any more!  A referendum used to be democratic apparently, but not now, oh no.  Only one referendum is democratic.  Laughable.

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Guest: (11 days ago)

Good point, I'm going to vote leave in the next referendum. Then I'm going to vote remain in the one after that. Haven't made up my mind about the one after that though.

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Good point, I'm going to vote leave in the next referendum. Then I'm going to vote remain in the one after that. Haven't made up my mind about the one after that though.

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Guest: (9 days ago)

Definitely, a lot of people like you can vote without any reference to the facts surrounding it, or even by tossing a coin.  That's your right.  A referendum is always democratic.  New information comes out, and people can change their minds if they like and vote differently if there's another.

Hey don't be scared.  If you're right and the deal is good enough to convince the people, it will get through.  If it isn't, it doesn't deserve to.

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Definitely, a lot of people like you can vote without any reference to the facts surrounding it, or even by tossing a coin.  That's your right.  A referendum is always democratic.  New information comes out, and people can change their minds if they like and vote differently if there's another.

Hey don't be scared.  If you're right and the deal is good enough to convince the people, it will get through.  If it isn't, it doesn't deserve to.

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Guest: (9 days ago)

Which referendum are you referring to? The second or third one? You realise they will be a third one if there's a second one right? After all "New information comes out, and people can change their minds if they like and vote differently if there's another."

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Which referendum are you referring to? The second or third one? You realise they will be a third one if there's a second one right? After all "New information comes out, and people can change their minds if they like and vote differently if there's another."

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Guest: (8 days ago)

I'm referring to every and any referendum.  A referendum is democratic.  Every time we have one, every year or every week, it will always be democratic and yes, we all get to vote and change our minds.  It's a pretty simple concept.  If we have 3, they will be democratic.  If we have 20, they will be democratic. People can change their minds and vote differently every single time.

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I'm referring to every and any referendum.  A referendum is democratic.  Every time we have one, every year or every week, it will always be democratic and yes, we all get to vote and change our minds.  It's a pretty simple concept.  If we have 3, they will be democratic.  If we have 20, they will be democratic. People can change their minds and vote differently every single time.

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Guest: (8 days ago)

Awesome, so let's say the second referendum results in rejecting the deal. The first referendum was on leaving the EU, therefore the second referendum has postponed the result of the first referendum. So now we need a third referendum on a new deal, but lets say the third referendum also results in rejecting the deal. The first referendum is still postponed and the situation is deadlocked because no one can decide on a deal everyone agrees on. What's the best way to decide such a deadlocked situation? A referendum on a whether or not we want to leave the EU, which we've already had.

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Awesome, so let's say the second referendum results in rejecting the deal. The first referendum was on leaving the EU, therefore the second referendum has postponed the result of the first referendum. So now we need a third referendum on a new deal, but lets say the third referendum also results in rejecting the deal. The first referendum is still postponed and the situation is deadlocked because no one can decide on a deal everyone agrees on. What's the best way to decide such a deadlocked situation? A referendum on a whether or not we want to leave the EU, which we've already had.

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