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James O'Brien | Brexit referendum was illegal

James O'Brien | Brexit referendum was illegal

(6:18) The EU referendum was won with an illegal campaign, but the courts can't void the result because the referendum was only advisory - according to the barrister who took the government to court, Jessica Simor.

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Guest: (19 days ago)

This doesn't wash.  If it had been legally binding, and if it had therefore been voided, only that particular referendum would have been null.  At the most, all that would have happened would be that both campaigns are run again with the same result.

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This doesn't wash.  If it had been legally binding, and if it had therefore been voided, only that particular referendum would have been null.  At the most, all that would have happened would be that both campaigns are run again with the same result.

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Sorry? Are you saying that when there are illegal elections they do not need to be rerun as the results will be the same? 

I think your ideas on electoral standards are just a tad different to how the rest of the democratic world sees fit to run its affairs.

 

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Sorry? Are you saying that when there are illegal elections they do not need to be rerun as the results will be the same? 

I think your ideas on electoral standards are just a tad different to how the rest of the democratic world sees fit to run its affairs.

 

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No.  You're bad at comprehension, stop arguing with your assumptions.  I was just saying that if and when such 'illegal elections' are re-run, the damage is already done, so the results would be the same.  The money illegally spent on marketing and influencing people the first time around has already been spent and you can't remove its impact.  Get it?

If it was legally binding (which it wasn't), and the law said re-run it (which it didn't), fine, re-run it, but don't use that hypothetical scenario to imply that the result would be different under fair spending.  Loads of reasons to have a 2nd referendum but that isn't one.

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No.  You're bad at comprehension, stop arguing with your assumptions.  I was just saying that if and when such 'illegal elections' are re-run, the damage is already done, so the results would be the same.  The money illegally spent on marketing and influencing people the first time around has already been spent and you can't remove its impact.  Get it?

If it was legally binding (which it wasn't), and the law said re-run it (which it didn't), fine, re-run it, but don't use that hypothetical scenario to imply that the result would be different under fair spending.  Loads of reasons to have a 2nd referendum but that isn't one.

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Guest: AxiomOfChoice (19 days ago)

you're making the assumption that when people find out they've been lied to and their opinions illegally manipulated they don't stop and think 'hmmm, maybe i'll change my mind'.

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you're making the assumption that when people find out they've been lied to and their opinions illegally manipulated they don't stop and think 'hmmm, maybe i'll change my mind'.

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Aww that's a cute idea.  So out of interest, how many people from the Leave camp do you think would be so offended by the 7% overspend that achieved the result that they voted for, that they would happily sit through another campaign just in order to vote the exact opposite the next time around?

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Aww that's a cute idea.  So out of interest, how many people from the Leave camp do you think would be so offended by the 7% overspend that achieved the result that they voted for, that they would happily sit through another campaign just in order to vote the exact opposite the next time around?

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