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Newsnight | Will UK-US trade deal lower UK food standards?

Newsnight | Will UK-US trade deal lower UK food standards?

(10:52) America first. The Trump administration has set out its terms for a US-UK trade deal.

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Guest: (17 days ago)

Even though the USA does not require GMO to be labeled during the retail phase, it is definitely clear when you’re buying wholesale raw ingredients and you can label it however you want when you make your final products.  Many of our retail companies are proud to label “Non-GMO” on their products. If you want to buy Non-GMO specific products, nobody is stopping you from doing so.  Just pick a US company that complies with your requirements.

If you buy American apples and want to put fat and sugar labels on it before you sell it in your market, there’s nothing stopping you from doing that on your end.  We don’t do that for products like that.

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Even though the USA does not require GMO to be labeled during the retail phase, it is definitely clear when you’re buying wholesale raw ingredients and you can label it however you want when you make your final products.  Many of our retail companies are proud to label “Non-GMO” on their products. If you want to buy Non-GMO specific products, nobody is stopping you from doing so.  Just pick a US company that complies with your requirements.

If you buy American apples and want to put fat and sugar labels on it before you sell it in your market, there’s nothing stopping you from doing that on your end.  We don’t do that for products like that.

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TheBob TheBob (17 days ago)

Who puts "fat and sugar" labels on apples?

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Who puts "fat and sugar" labels on apples?

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Guest: (17 days ago)

Not the USA but then what was the video talking about?  All products that have a mixture of ingredients do have nutrition information on the label.  If you buy lettuce alone, you don’t get that detail.  You buy a box of cereal, you will.  If you’re okay with that, then buying food from the USA shouldn’t be a concern for you.

 

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Not the USA but then what was the video talking about?  All products that have a mixture of ingredients do have nutrition information on the label.  If you buy lettuce alone, you don’t get that detail.  You buy a box of cereal, you will.  If you’re okay with that, then buying food from the USA shouldn’t be a concern for you.

 

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TheBob TheBob (16 days ago)

So that makes 2 countries: UK and USA don't put "fat and sugar" labels on their apples. My question was, "Who does?"

I'm wondering why you even introduced this non-point.

I mean, I could say, "People who live in Florida should put their head in a blender before posting on Boreme," but that's neither here nor there - so I obviously wouldn't say that.

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So that makes 2 countries: UK and USA don't put "fat and sugar" labels on their apples. My question was, "Who does?"

I'm wondering why you even introduced this non-point.

I mean, I could say, "People who live in Florida should put their head in a blender before posting on Boreme," but that's neither here nor there - so I obviously wouldn't say that.

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Guest: (16 days ago)

“I’m wondering why you even introduced this non-point.”  I assumed since you responded that you at least watched the video.  Didn’t you hear him talking about consumers having the right to have labels that tell the consumer about sugar and fat “which happens in Europe but doesn’t happen in the same way in the US.” (8:11) So I might have falsely assumed that you put that label on everything.  I’m not sure what he’s talking about then because we do put that label on foods.  Maybe you use a different color ink or something.  Who knows.

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“I’m wondering why you even introduced this non-point.”  I assumed since you responded that you at least watched the video.  Didn’t you hear him talking about consumers having the right to have labels that tell the consumer about sugar and fat “which happens in Europe but doesn’t happen in the same way in the US.” (8:11) So I might have falsely assumed that you put that label on everything.  I’m not sure what he’s talking about then because we do put that label on foods.  Maybe you use a different color ink or something.  Who knows.

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TheBob TheBob (15 days ago)

Yes. You falsely assumed people in Europe put labels on everything.

As for, "Who knows" - I've come across this great thing called "Google." If you ask it a question like, "food labelling usa and europe" it gives all sorts of useful information like this:

LINK

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Yes. You falsely assumed people in Europe put labels on everything.

As for, "Who knows" - I've come across this great thing called "Google." If you ask it a question like, "food labelling usa and europe" it gives all sorts of useful information like this:

LINK

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Guest: (15 days ago)

The site you linked had zero information about label differences.  It was about "Food Safety."  The guy in the video was talking about labeling fat and sugar content and that’s what I was discussing.

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The site you linked had zero information about label differences.  It was about "Food Safety."  The guy in the video was talking about labeling fat and sugar content and that’s what I was discussing.

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TheBob TheBob (15 days ago)

That was an example of the things you can find on the interweb (I believe it's called). Try here LINK for other things. I'm sure the information you're looking for is there

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That was an example of the things you can find on the interweb (I believe it's called). Try here LINK for other things. I'm sure the information you're looking for is there

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Guest: Fact Checking (15 days ago)

I know what information can be found on the internet.  I also know that not all information is true.  The video mentioned that the USA labeling for fat and sugar was inferior in some way to the UK’s labeling but it turns out that is not true.  The Google home page that you linked also did not show the fat and sugar label differences so I’ll have to assume that you didn’t have a valid page to confirm the claims made in the video.

My default stance is to not believe what I hear or see from others until I confirm it independently especially when the claims don’t sound plausible.  If a friend of mine claims they went to the grocery store yesterday, I might believe that one.  But if that same friend said they saw a UFO capture two cows in a nearby pasture, I would require a higher level of proof than his/her word.

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I know what information can be found on the internet.  I also know that not all information is true.  The video mentioned that the USA labeling for fat and sugar was inferior in some way to the UK’s labeling but it turns out that is not true.  The Google home page that you linked also did not show the fat and sugar label differences so I’ll have to assume that you didn’t have a valid page to confirm the claims made in the video.

My default stance is to not believe what I hear or see from others until I confirm it independently especially when the claims don’t sound plausible.  If a friend of mine claims they went to the grocery store yesterday, I might believe that one.  But if that same friend said they saw a UFO capture two cows in a nearby pasture, I would require a higher level of proof than his/her word.

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TheBob TheBob (15 days ago)

a) You know not all information is true.

b) You assert the video said food labelling in the USA is inferior to that in the UK - and you allege that is not true.

How do you know the information you're basing that judgment on is true?

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a) You know not all information is true.

b) You assert the video said food labelling in the USA is inferior to that in the UK - and you allege that is not true.

How do you know the information you're basing that judgment on is true?

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Guest: (13 days ago)

"USA is inferior."  No. If you wanted to impeach the queen what would you do? It's not my problem if you don't like facts.

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"USA is inferior."  No. If you wanted to impeach the queen what would you do? It's not my problem if you don't like facts.

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Guest: (12 days ago)

What a surprise... no comment.  

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What a surprise... no comment.  

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Guest: STFU (12 days ago)

It shouldn't be a surprise when a conversation goes downhill to the point people bring up unrelated items that had nothing to do with the video or even want to participate with the initial comment.  Do you have examples of the fat and sugar label differences that was mentioned in the video?  If not, then STFU.

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It shouldn't be a surprise when a conversation goes downhill to the point people bring up unrelated items that had nothing to do with the video or even want to participate with the initial comment.  Do you have examples of the fat and sugar label differences that was mentioned in the video?  If not, then STFU.

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TheBob TheBob (10 days ago)
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“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:5

1) "unrelated items that had nothing to do with the video"? Err, you're the one who started going on about fat and sugar labels on apples (not mentioned in the video)

2) and if you're looking for differences in labelling between Europe and the US, I used that Google thing again to find this site from the USDA which should give you the information you want. LINK

Now, "revenons à nos moutons..."

a) You know not all information is true.

b) You assert the video said food labelling in the USA is inferior to that in the UK - and you allege that is not true.

How do you know the information you're basing that judgment on is true?

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“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:5

1) "unrelated items that had nothing to do with the video"? Err, you're the one who started going on about fat and sugar labels on apples (not mentioned in the video)

2) and if you're looking for differences in labelling between Europe and the US, I used that Google thing again to find this site from the USDA which should give you the information you want. LINK

Now, "revenons à nos moutons..."

a) You know not all information is true.

b) You assert the video said food labelling in the USA is inferior to that in the UK - and you allege that is not true.

How do you know the information you're basing that judgment on is true?

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Guest: Sorry WHAT? (15 days ago)

I don't need to wade in when someone else is already doing such a good job, but I just had to say how funny it is that you think you're fact checking.  Of all the people that use this site, you are the worst at fact checking.  Literally the worst.  You will copy and paste a table and deliberately delete a column that disproves your point. You quote legislation that was superceded 7 years ago. You will misunderstand the simplest of bar charts. And when anyone points this out, you will try some Whataboutery then disappear.  Just the worst at fact checking.  Anyway, back to you Bob.

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I don't need to wade in when someone else is already doing such a good job, but I just had to say how funny it is that you think you're fact checking.  Of all the people that use this site, you are the worst at fact checking.  Literally the worst.  You will copy and paste a table and deliberately delete a column that disproves your point. You quote legislation that was superceded 7 years ago. You will misunderstand the simplest of bar charts. And when anyone points this out, you will try some Whataboutery then disappear.  Just the worst at fact checking.  Anyway, back to you Bob.

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Guest: (17 days ago)

In the UK, you can't even vote for your Queen.

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In the UK, you can't even vote for your Queen.

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TheBob TheBob (17 days ago)

Good point - well made

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Good point - well made

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