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Rutger Bregman | Why we need a Green New Deal

Rutger Bregman | Why we need a Green New Deal

(30:14) Following his viral success at Davos, Rutger Bregman came to speak at the Norwegian Nobel Institute on February 13th 2019. Bregman is a historian and author. His 'History of Progress' was awarded the Belgian Liberales prize for best nonfiction book of 2013. The Dutch edition of 'Utopia for Realists' became a national bestseller and sparked a basic income movement that soon made international headlines. The book has been translated in 31 languages. Bregman has twice been nominated for the prestigious European Press Prize for his journalism work at The Correspondent. His work has been featured in The Washington Post, The Guardian and on the BBC.

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“Sitting in offices writing reports nobody’s ever going to read.”  I hope you don’t really think that.  Those reports are very important to the business.  You can find efficiencies through reports making you cut costs or increase revenue.  The business feels it’s a good enough investment to hire a report writer to recoup that investment in savings or revenue.  You might think it’s a bullshit job as you put it, but major organizations hire people specifically to create those important reports.  If they felt no value in that data, they would terminate those employees or have them do something else.

Regarding jobs being socially meaningful, that’s not a factor hiring companies care about.  It’s either they need to be there to perform a specific task and the social aspect doesn’t matter.  If you want a social meaningful job, work for Facebook or Twitter.  Most people work for the paycheck and benefits, not because it’s socially meaningful.  He even goes so far as to eliminate the 25% of people not sure as not being police officers.  But interviews with police officers show they sometimes feel their job is meaningless because they arrest criminals they know are guilty and the justice system lets them off due to a technicality.  But those police officers continue to do the work knowing only a small percentage of their efforts will actually produce results.

“Wouldn’t it be great if all marketeers would go on strike (eluding to the job being a bullshit job)”  It has been proven that marketing makes the company a lot of money.  This is why companies have thousands of advertisements to promote their products on TV, radio, papers, fliers, web pages, etc.  It does increase sales and it pays for the salary of those marketing people plus more.

“Has it ever happened throughout history in the past 5,000 years since the invention of money that bankers went on strike.”  Did you Google that first?  The answer is yes.  Some recent examples:  Irish Bank Strikes 1966-1976.  AIBOC bank strike December 2018, 1741 Banker’s Strike, Willmar Minnesota, Bank Workers’ Strike 1977.  This was found with 30 seconds of searching but I had to filter out all the teacher and police officer strikes that he says are socially meaningful so I don’t know what he’s eluding to there.  I’m positive I could find more if I spent more time but I doubt anyone is going to be reading this TL comment anyway.

Regarding those Irish bank strikes, it was more than 6 months, it was a total duration of about a year in a 10 year span of negotiations.  5/7/66 - 6/30/66, 5/1/70 - 11/17/70, and 6/28-9/6/76.  The longest period was 6 months but you didn’t tell the correct story.  Anyway, because of your story, let’s close all the banks.  That would be good for the economy then because you wouldn’t need to pay all those people for useless jobs.  Sounds like a great idea.  If you can have employees stop doing their work for 6 months in one stretch and there are zero negative impacts of that, then those jobs are not needed.  You are a genius for discovering this and all banks should close immediately.  Banks provide credit card services, loans, interest bearing deposit accounts, ability to cash your employer’s checks so they don’t pay in cash, etc.  You can easily store all your money under your mattress if you don’t care about the security or interest you could earn.  You can find other ways to get loans like through a pawn shop or the local pub.  I’m sure they will give you loans to buy your first home.

The story about the CEO quitting his job and doing his painting because that’s what he always wanted to do means nothing.  Most people don’t have the means to do that.  The CEO probably made millions prior to quitting and is able to live off his huge nest egg.  Again, you need to tell the whole story.  Let’s hear about a Walmart cashier with 3 kids quitting her job so she can paint then I would be more impressed.

“Basic income can act as a universal strike fund.”  But if you’re in a union, you pay dues so the union has money to pay you while you’re on strike but you may be required to picket to get your money.  You don’t need basic income to strike if you’re in a union.

Curious about something.  If all historians died tomorrow, how much impact would that have  on our economy?  Hmm… Maybe Rutger should think about a job change.

 

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“Sitting in offices writing reports nobody’s ever going to read.”  I hope you don’t really think that.  Those reports are very important to the business.  You can find efficiencies through reports making you cut costs or increase revenue.  The business feels it’s a good enough investment to hire a report writer to recoup that investment in savings or revenue.  You might think it’s a bullshit job as you put it, but major organizations hire people specifically to create those important reports.  If they felt no value in that data, they would terminate those employees or have them do something else.

Regarding jobs being socially meaningful, that’s not a factor hiring companies care about.  It’s either they need to be there to perform a specific task and the social aspect doesn’t matter.  If you want a social meaningful job, work for Facebook or Twitter.  Most people work for the paycheck and benefits, not because it’s socially meaningful.  He even goes so far as to eliminate the 25% of people not sure as not being police officers.  But interviews with police officers show they sometimes feel their job is meaningless because they arrest criminals they know are guilty and the justice system lets them off due to a technicality.  But those police officers continue to do the work knowing only a small percentage of their efforts will actually produce results.

“Wouldn’t it be great if all marketeers would go on strike (eluding to the job being a bullshit job)”  It has been proven that marketing makes the company a lot of money.  This is why companies have thousands of advertisements to promote their products on TV, radio, papers, fliers, web pages, etc.  It does increase sales and it pays for the salary of those marketing people plus more.

“Has it ever happened throughout history in the past 5,000 years since the invention of money that bankers went on strike.”  Did you Google that first?  The answer is yes.  Some recent examples:  Irish Bank Strikes 1966-1976.  AIBOC bank strike December 2018, 1741 Banker’s Strike, Willmar Minnesota, Bank Workers’ Strike 1977.  This was found with 30 seconds of searching but I had to filter out all the teacher and police officer strikes that he says are socially meaningful so I don’t know what he’s eluding to there.  I’m positive I could find more if I spent more time but I doubt anyone is going to be reading this TL comment anyway.

Regarding those Irish bank strikes, it was more than 6 months, it was a total duration of about a year in a 10 year span of negotiations.  5/7/66 - 6/30/66, 5/1/70 - 11/17/70, and 6/28-9/6/76.  The longest period was 6 months but you didn’t tell the correct story.  Anyway, because of your story, let’s close all the banks.  That would be good for the economy then because you wouldn’t need to pay all those people for useless jobs.  Sounds like a great idea.  If you can have employees stop doing their work for 6 months in one stretch and there are zero negative impacts of that, then those jobs are not needed.  You are a genius for discovering this and all banks should close immediately.  Banks provide credit card services, loans, interest bearing deposit accounts, ability to cash your employer’s checks so they don’t pay in cash, etc.  You can easily store all your money under your mattress if you don’t care about the security or interest you could earn.  You can find other ways to get loans like through a pawn shop or the local pub.  I’m sure they will give you loans to buy your first home.

The story about the CEO quitting his job and doing his painting because that’s what he always wanted to do means nothing.  Most people don’t have the means to do that.  The CEO probably made millions prior to quitting and is able to live off his huge nest egg.  Again, you need to tell the whole story.  Let’s hear about a Walmart cashier with 3 kids quitting her job so she can paint then I would be more impressed.

“Basic income can act as a universal strike fund.”  But if you’re in a union, you pay dues so the union has money to pay you while you’re on strike but you may be required to picket to get your money.  You don’t need basic income to strike if you’re in a union.

Curious about something.  If all historians died tomorrow, how much impact would that have  on our economy?  Hmm… Maybe Rutger should think about a job change.

 

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Carybot is losing his fragile grasp on reality.  

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Carybot is losing his fragile grasp on reality.  

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When the basic income is implemented you can write your opinion pieces full time. In the meantime don't quit your day job.

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When the basic income is implemented you can write your opinion pieces full time. In the meantime don't quit your day job.

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My day job is posting on Boreme.  The RNC pays very well for that and even if I get my "Freedom Dividend" (stupid name by the way), I would still keep this job because I enjoy it like I would a hobby and since they pay me to do what I enjoy, that's an extra bonus.

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My day job is posting on Boreme.  The RNC pays very well for that and even if I get my "Freedom Dividend" (stupid name by the way), I would still keep this job because I enjoy it like I would a hobby and since they pay me to do what I enjoy, that's an extra bonus.

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