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(3:12) How reliable are the polls? Has Britain changed its mind over leaving the EU? Pindex YT channel

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Guest: PollNQuibbleTill2Lat (11 days ago)

In any case, about half the electorate will be left disgruntled because the margin is so small.  Perhaps those who like the EU could all pack bags and join the rest of the happy throng piling into the continent, while those who like Brexit could crowd the local pubs, blearily waiting for the somewhat higher prices to come and listening to the Parliament loudly mumbling at each other.  Once the inexorable climate shift shuts down the Gulf Stream, they'll all be looking for somewhere habitable anyway, so both groups will soon reunite eventually in Canada.

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In any case, about half the electorate will be left disgruntled because the margin is so small.  Perhaps those who like the EU could all pack bags and join the rest of the happy throng piling into the continent, while those who like Brexit could crowd the local pubs, blearily waiting for the somewhat higher prices to come and listening to the Parliament loudly mumbling at each other.  Once the inexorable climate shift shuts down the Gulf Stream, they'll all be looking for somewhere habitable anyway, so both groups will soon reunite eventually in Canada.

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Guest: leavemeansleave (11 days ago)

So this is an argument to have a referendum every 3 years, just in case people change their minds?

Lets have a general election every 3 months, because some people might change their minds.

Most people wanting a 2nd referendum are the people who voted to remain in the first, because they want to overturn a decision they didnt agree with.

Democracy in action!

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So this is an argument to have a referendum every 3 years, just in case people change their minds?

Lets have a general election every 3 months, because some people might change their minds.

Most people wanting a 2nd referendum are the people who voted to remain in the first, because they want to overturn a decision they didnt agree with.

Democracy in action!

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TheBob TheBob (9 days ago)
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Up to a point, Lord Copper. But the polls are showing it's not "in case people change their minds" - they have actually changed their minds in the light of the shambles of the last 2 years.

We have procedures and people are happy that we don't have general elections every 3 months.

Yes, most people who want a 2nd referendum do want to remain - but it's because people were sold a pig in a poke, and now the cat's out of the bag they want their money back.

And...

1) If the small difference had gone the other way, you can be sure as hell that Farage et al would not be sitting back accepting the result.

2) It's generally accepted now that the leave campaign were not playing straight. Leavers were not voting to leave as such, they were voting against gazillions of turkish immigrants (false); voting against paying £350 million per week (false); voting to spend that £350 million on the NHS (like the tories will do that); voting to "stick it" to David Cameron and the other posh boys running the country who had imposed austerity on others while pretending "we're all in it together."

3) The legality of the Leave campaign is now in question

4) The referendum was always advisory

5) People didn't know what Brexit looked like as any (valid) criticisms were dismissed as "project fear" and a rosy picture of Europe coming begging to Britain was painted (false)

6) The question of the Irish border was never considered. Nobody made it clear that a vote for Brexit would likely lead to the end of the United Kingdom (as Northern Ireland would likely join the republic as a consequence).

7) The effects of Brexit are going to affect young people disproportionately  more than the older - and there are so many who were not old enough to vote would like to have their say now.

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Up to a point, Lord Copper. But the polls are showing it's not "in case people change their minds" - they have actually changed their minds in the light of the shambles of the last 2 years.

We have procedures and people are happy that we don't have general elections every 3 months.

Yes, most people who want a 2nd referendum do want to remain - but it's because people were sold a pig in a poke, and now the cat's out of the bag they want their money back.

And...

1) If the small difference had gone the other way, you can be sure as hell that Farage et al would not be sitting back accepting the result.

2) It's generally accepted now that the leave campaign were not playing straight. Leavers were not voting to leave as such, they were voting against gazillions of turkish immigrants (false); voting against paying £350 million per week (false); voting to spend that £350 million on the NHS (like the tories will do that); voting to "stick it" to David Cameron and the other posh boys running the country who had imposed austerity on others while pretending "we're all in it together."

3) The legality of the Leave campaign is now in question

4) The referendum was always advisory

5) People didn't know what Brexit looked like as any (valid) criticisms were dismissed as "project fear" and a rosy picture of Europe coming begging to Britain was painted (false)

6) The question of the Irish border was never considered. Nobody made it clear that a vote for Brexit would likely lead to the end of the United Kingdom (as Northern Ireland would likely join the republic as a consequence).

7) The effects of Brexit are going to affect young people disproportionately  more than the older - and there are so many who were not old enough to vote would like to have their say now.

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