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Guest: (35 days ago)

I know most Americans do not have a clue what the 4th July is in terms of history. But it's a celebration of the USA independence from Britain! After seeing this, and many other things of late,  I’m not sure who should be celebrating the most the Americans or the Brits!

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I know most Americans do not have a clue what the 4th July is in terms of history. But it's a celebration of the USA independence from Britain! After seeing this, and many other things of late,  I’m not sure who should be celebrating the most the Americans or the Brits!

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Really it should be a celebration and thanksgiving to France in particular, but also the other European powers that gifted the USA independence.  I've always thought it totally odd that there's no mark of gratitude.  I can't think of a nation that owes so much to other countries, but it doesn't seem to be in the US mindset to acknowledge this.

Also weird that they celebrated getting free from the uncompromising and inflexible demands of a monarch (who is replaced every generation), with a an uncompromising and inflexible constitution (that will exist for centuries).  I think they are far more constrained than the UK has ever been.  

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Really it should be a celebration and thanksgiving to France in particular, but also the other European powers that gifted the USA independence.  I've always thought it totally odd that there's no mark of gratitude.  I can't think of a nation that owes so much to other countries, but it doesn't seem to be in the US mindset to acknowledge this.

Also weird that they celebrated getting free from the uncompromising and inflexible demands of a monarch (who is replaced every generation), with a an uncompromising and inflexible constitution (that will exist for centuries).  I think they are far more constrained than the UK has ever been.  

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Guest: (34 days ago)

So right. The US indepedance war was a proxy war mainly between the Brits and the French with the French saying "if we cant have America then neither can you Brits so nurrr". Like it is often quoted "escape the tyranny" of British rule? well good luck with that one and be carefull with what you wish for i'd say.

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So right. The US indepedance war was a proxy war mainly between the Brits and the French with the French saying "if we cant have America then neither can you Brits so nurrr". Like it is often quoted "escape the tyranny" of British rule? well good luck with that one and be carefull with what you wish for i'd say.

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Guest: (34 days ago)

French help shows that Britain was hated by multiple large countries and wanted to involve themselves with money and force against the British empire.  The USA is grateful for the support of the French and we returned support by assisting them with their liberation during WWII.

 

Why doesn’t the British give more gratitude to the Americans and Russians who saved the British during WWII?  If it weren’t for those two countries, the people of the UK would be speaking German today.

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French help shows that Britain was hated by multiple large countries and wanted to involve themselves with money and force against the British empire.  The USA is grateful for the support of the French and we returned support by assisting them with their liberation during WWII.

 

Why doesn’t the British give more gratitude to the Americans and Russians who saved the British during WWII?  If it weren’t for those two countries, the people of the UK would be speaking German today.

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Brits are forever grateful to the Russians (and other true allies) they joined WWII much earlier than the USA and were the Brits true ally and even with their opposing views . USA watched the world go up in flames and fascism rise from the sidelines and exploited the Brits with extortionate finance and loans for food and weapons (UK “loan” repayments continued into the late 1990 btw – G’thanks!) to fight a war the American citizens thought was too far away and didn’t affect them (until they had their wakeup call of the bombing of pearl harbour!).  Britain, in effect,  sold its empire to America with a discount and with desperation to continue the fight and often  alone.  Some say deliberately rather than just being selfish cowardly pussies the USA waited and waited until the Brits were on their knees before cessing the best opportunity for them  and any real help was forthcoming. Granted history, mainly propagated from the USA, presents a victorious USA saving the day! this is NOT how the rest of the world sees things, and particularly the Brits,  and more they ask why didn’t you save millions, bring an end quicker and help us much earlier?  Turning up  very late and shooting the last few war wary Germans does not count as winning!!!!  As for the  French you need read a bit more history, I mean proper history not USA “we are the best, end”  and Hollywood accounts, more whereas the French were not all as its seems in WWII and not all were in the Resistance fighting from within their German occupation.  Large parts of France  where complicit to Germany and its ideals (read up on the French Vichy Government)  who even helped exported their Jews to the camps! so back to your question of who should be thanking who? well 1) not some much USA to a level they think they deserve and 2) French as a whole! the Jury is out on that one.

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Brits are forever grateful to the Russians (and other true allies) they joined WWII much earlier than the USA and were the Brits true ally and even with their opposing views . USA watched the world go up in flames and fascism rise from the sidelines and exploited the Brits with extortionate finance and loans for food and weapons (UK “loan” repayments continued into the late 1990 btw – G’thanks!) to fight a war the American citizens thought was too far away and didn’t affect them (until they had their wakeup call of the bombing of pearl harbour!).  Britain, in effect,  sold its empire to America with a discount and with desperation to continue the fight and often  alone.  Some say deliberately rather than just being selfish cowardly pussies the USA waited and waited until the Brits were on their knees before cessing the best opportunity for them  and any real help was forthcoming. Granted history, mainly propagated from the USA, presents a victorious USA saving the day! this is NOT how the rest of the world sees things, and particularly the Brits,  and more they ask why didn’t you save millions, bring an end quicker and help us much earlier?  Turning up  very late and shooting the last few war wary Germans does not count as winning!!!!  As for the  French you need read a bit more history, I mean proper history not USA “we are the best, end”  and Hollywood accounts, more whereas the French were not all as its seems in WWII and not all were in the Resistance fighting from within their German occupation.  Large parts of France  where complicit to Germany and its ideals (read up on the French Vichy Government)  who even helped exported their Jews to the camps! so back to your question of who should be thanking who? well 1) not some much USA to a level they think they deserve and 2) French as a whole! the Jury is out on that one.

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Yes, Great Britain was hated, as was France, as was any developed nation.  I'm delighted to see you are grateful to the French for gifting you independence.  It definitely doesn't show, with your animosity towards any culture other than your own.  Other countries have been protected by allies, but not many have literally owed their existence to them.  

The British are very grateful to the Russians who literally sacrificed more in their first winter than the US did during the entire short duration of their late involvement.  

Frankly it's a scandal that the USA sought to make money from it, and if it wasn't for Japan humiliating them at Pearl Harbor, they wouldn't have ever plucked up the courage to join in at all.  Criminal cowardice.  The US should be glad that Europe broke the back of fascism long before the nuclear massacres, long before Japan threw in the towel, and if we had surrendered Europe, the USA would have been the number one target.  

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Yes, Great Britain was hated, as was France, as was any developed nation.  I'm delighted to see you are grateful to the French for gifting you independence.  It definitely doesn't show, with your animosity towards any culture other than your own.  Other countries have been protected by allies, but not many have literally owed their existence to them.  

The British are very grateful to the Russians who literally sacrificed more in their first winter than the US did during the entire short duration of their late involvement.  

Frankly it's a scandal that the USA sought to make money from it, and if it wasn't for Japan humiliating them at Pearl Harbor, they wouldn't have ever plucked up the courage to join in at all.  Criminal cowardice.  The US should be glad that Europe broke the back of fascism long before the nuclear massacres, long before Japan threw in the towel, and if we had surrendered Europe, the USA would have been the number one target.  

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